Tough Sentences For Rioters Says MP

Rioters deserve tough sentences says Isle of Wight MP

Following the recent riots across the country, this in from Isle of Wight MP, Andrew Turner’s office. Ed

The Island’s MP Andrew Turner has spoken out in support of tough sentencing for those involved in the recent riots in London and elsewhere across the country.

It has been reported in the national press that some LibDem MPs and Baroness Hamwee, the Liberal Democrat Home Affairs Spokesman in the House of Lords have spoken out against tough sentences, saying they are ‘bonkers, bonkers, bonkers’ and that there should be ‘zero tolerance for zero tolerance’.

“Tough sentences are necessary”, says Turner
Mr Turner, however, takes the view that individuals who took part in the riots last week, or anyone that tried to incite civil unrest should receive a penalty, which as well as being a punishment, will deter others from taking part in future disturbances.

Mr Turner believes, not only that tough sentences are necessary in these circumstances, but they are supported by the majority of the British public.

“Time to instil some discipline”
This morning, Mr Turner said, “Whilst the vast majority of people abide by the law, it is time to instil some discipline and respect amongst the mindlessly violent and criminal minority who took part in the riots. There was a complete breakdown of the normal standards of order and security. Innocent bystanders were terrified, businesses were looted and premises destroyed. Many people lost their livelihoods and their homes and five people have died as a result. Anarchy on our streets, such as we saw it last week simply cannot be permitted to happen again.

“The sentences being handed down by the courts are, in my view, absolutely correct. They are a fit punishment and they will hopefully also deter similar activity in the future. To claim otherwise, as some are doing, is simply pandering to the criminal, abusive and violent elements in our society. In my view zero tolerance is the right approach.”

“I also think we should be looking at withdrawing benefits from those convicted of rioting and looting. If people want the advantages that come from our society – they must play by the rules. An e-petition calling for this on the Government’s new website has over 200,000 signatories. I hope we will be debating this in Parliament at the earliest opportunity.”

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62 Comments

  1. No.5's comment is rated +17 Vote +1 Vote -1

    19.Aug.2011 2:29pm

    I grow to detest this man more and more each bandwagon he jumps on…

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    • keithybaby's comment is rated +5 Vote +1 Vote -1

      19.Aug.2011 7:55pm

      He’s not jumping on a bandwagon, just being true to type. If you look at his position within the Tory Party, you’ll see he is to the traditional, rather than loony, right. Personally, I find most Tory policies objectionable!

      Reply
  2. Asite2c's comment is rated +15 Vote +1 Vote -1

    19.Aug.2011 2:30pm

    Whether the tough sentences being handed down by the courts is right or wrong, sadly it does not solve or address the underlying problems within our society that contribute to riotous, criminal and bad behaviour. Especially amongst the younger generation.

    These include, poverty, poor education, fear, greed, unemployment, overpowering Governments, corruption in high places, lack of public services, drug legislation, heavy handed police tactics and so the list goes on.

    I would have more time for Andrew Turner if he also addressed these major issues, instead of trying to gain some popularity by jumping on the flogging brigade bandwagon.

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    • Steve Goodman's comment is rated +4 Vote +1 Vote -1

      22.Aug.2011 11:29am

      “…sadly it does not solve or address the underlying problems within our society that contribute to riotous, criminal and bad behaviour. Especially amongst the younger generation.

      These include, poverty, poor education,…”

      Now consider the history of some of AT’s wealthy, well-educated political leader friends:

      21 year old David Cameron joined the Bullingdon Club, devoted to excessive drinking & violent disorder.

      16 year old Nick Clegg; involved in drunken arson.

      19 year old Boris Johnson also joined the Bullingdons, and, unlike his PM pal, got himself arrested.

      And closer to home, look at Pughtube for a demonstration of our council leader’s boozy bad-mouthed behavior at last year’s council fundraiser. (Perhaps fellow Conservative AT would tell us how he feels about that incident & the subsequent whitewash, especially as his partner was involved).

      (With thanks to the current edition of Private Eye (p.7), which also features our council’s greed & lack of professionalism (p.11).)

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  3. somuchmerde's comment is rated +15 Vote +1 Vote -1

    19.Aug.2011 2:35pm

    So how does he think people will be able to buy food if they have their benefits withdrawn, does he think people will happily lie down and starve to death? Reactionary rubbish

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    • Graffwatch's comment is rated +7 Vote +1 Vote -1

      19.Aug.2011 3:06pm

      “So how does he think people will be able to buy food if they have their benefits withdrawn, does he think people will happily lie down and starve to death?” ..or perhaps get up and use the energy they had for causing chaos on something worthwhile like making a living?

      Reply
    • mark francis's comment is rated +4 Vote +1 Vote -1

      20.Aug.2011 10:26am

      Let them claim Parliamentary expenses!
      Isn’t that what everyone does ? … what?

      Reply
  4. Loo Loo's comment is rated +9 Vote +1 Vote -1

    19.Aug.2011 2:56pm

    So Turner wants to cut their benefits. How stupid and what backward thinking when he knows full well this would only increase crime, especially robbery, theft, burglary, muggings and violent crime.

    People who get their benefits cut will simply turn even more to these type of crimes in desperation to feed themselves and for other living expenses.

    These ridiculous ideas that Turner suggests are extreme, and are the type of policies supported by right wing extremists like the BNP or the EDL. I really hope this is not the direction he wishes to see this country go.

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    • GOM's comment is rated +9 Vote +1 Vote -1

      19.Aug.2011 3:55pm

      With such ill informed, uneducated and imflamoratory speak; methinks it is time for a change. Such rhetoric from politicians who don’t know what it’s like to suffer financially or feel disenfranchised from society is part of the problem, not the solution. We need politicians who will look at the cause of society’s ills and make plans to improve people’s lives rather than see punishment as a solution. Less of the stick and more carrots.

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      • Loo Loo's comment is rated +8 Vote +1 Vote -1

        19.Aug.2011 4:23pm

        The politicians and people in authority should set an example of good behaviour to the nation. Sadly they have failed and have set a terrible example of greed, corruption, spin and lies.

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  5. Paul Miller's comment is rated +7 Vote +1 Vote -1

    19.Aug.2011 4:05pm

    Time for a ‘RECALL ELECTION’ I feel (Of course, this being the Island, with its blue rinse, he still wouldn’t find it difficult getting re-elected.) What was it that infelicitous David Mellor said regarding press conduct about twenty years ago? “Last chance saloon” wasn’t it? Our MP is a leopard who won’t change his spots, however bad things get for the rest of us.

    And as to Tory policies and social cohesion, well the apt fable there is of the frog and the scorpion – the latter cannot resist its own nature to cause the demise of both. The rioting was a bit like that too – Pot..kettle..black.

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  6. No.5's comment is rated +9 Vote +1 Vote -1

    19.Aug.2011 4:18pm

    “in his view” well his view is to support the return of hunting and return of the death penalty…so not surprising really…bet he supports public flogging as well

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    • Asite2c's comment is rated +8 Vote +1 Vote -1

      19.Aug.2011 4:56pm

      Not only public flogging, but the Feudal System of centuries ago.

      It’s all very well talking about cutting peoples’s benefits when I doubt whether money is is really an issue he has to worry about.

      As a single person, I would like to see him spend 6 months living on £65.00 a week. Perhaps if he gave it a try, he would change his opinions towards those that are disadvantaged and poor.

      Reply
  7. EinsteinsGhost's comment is rated +6 Vote +1 Vote -1

    19.Aug.2011 6:17pm

    I realise AT isn’t the only one spouting this stuff, but it’s a highly simplistic and intellectually bankrupt attitude that goes nowhere.

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    • Don Smith's comment is rated +8 Vote +1 Vote -1

      19.Aug.2011 7:29pm

      An harder line should have been taken on all the cheating MPs I note that the MP for Salford is still getting her salary. She should be behind bars with many more. AT did not say a great deal about his cheating colleagues at the time.

      Hanging is barbaric – Shoot them, nice and quick and no mess.

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      • insert random name here's comment is rated +5 Vote +1 Vote -1

        20.Aug.2011 5:19pm

        Don, last week you claimed that what you meant by “shoot them” was to use plastic bullets for riot control. Now you are advocating shooting instead of hanging. Will this also be with rubber bullets, or are you now advocating using live ammunition?

        Would you please make your mind up?

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        • Don Smith's comment is rated +2 Vote +1 Vote -1

          20.Aug.2011 8:47pm

          Wake up! Shoot the killers with live ammunition (It’s called a fire-ring squad) – Rioters with plastic – It’s not hard to work it out.

          And if they can evict rioters they should also evict terrorist.

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          • insert random name here's comment is rated +4 Vote +1 Vote -1

            20.Aug.2011 10:15pm

            oh im sorry, i should have realised what you meant even though you didnt bother to actually say it. Once again, on a story about rioters, you advocated shooting them. No-one anywhere mentioned the death penalty, which is what I presume your on about now.

            In the last week or so its become clear that your views are highly bigoted and frankly belong in the dark ages. Or are you simply trying to stir up controversy? Frankly, Don, I think you are backpedalling so fast that youve lost track of what your opinion actually is. You disgust me.

          • Don Smith's comment is rated +3 Vote +1 Vote -1

            21.Aug.2011 12:09am

            I love to read ‘Posts’ were the writer remains anonymous. Bold and brave behind the bushes.

            insert random name here says: Dig the gist?

          • No.5's comment is rated +4 Vote +1 Vote -1

            21.Aug.2011 10:11am

            what difference does that make Don…using your real name doesn’t stop you talking rubbish sometimes

          • Asite2c's comment is rated +2 Vote +1 Vote -1

            21.Aug.2011 10:43am

            The BNP and many other Fascist organisation would welcome your extreme, right wing and brutal ideas Don.

          • insert random name here's comment is rated +5 Vote +1 Vote -1

            21.Aug.2011 2:57pm

            “I love to read ‘Posts’ were the writer remains anonymous. Bold and brave behind the bushes”

            I love it when someone attacks the fact that I refuse to use my name on here. It usually means Ive made my point and people like Don have realised their argument is faltering, so its a good time to change the subject and accuse me of cowardice.

      • Asite2c's comment is rated +4 Vote +1 Vote -1

        21.Aug.2011 5:42pm

        Don. With comments like this, you’re making yourself look like the Alf Garnett of the Island?

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        • Don Smith's comment is rated +3 Vote +1 Vote -1

          22.Aug.2011 5:08pm

          I am very much like Alf, however I support no football team. I say it as I feel it is. If you do not like my opinions – SKIP -, that way you will not have to worry. X

          When you write a letter to a newspaper, you must give your name etc. I see no reason why the same rules should not apply on this forum.

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          • mark francis's comment is rated +2 Vote +1 Vote -1

            22.Aug.2011 6:03pm

            Hey chill it dudes!
            Don’t want our homies to start dissin’ de yoot in their ends do we? Ain’ no shankin’ in the hoods. you dig? Why you want them to dance the Tyburn jig in the Devil’s neckcloth, cully?

            I don’t think I got that last bit right. Must have slipped back into the Canting Speech for a moment.

          • No.5's comment is rated +2 Vote +1 Vote -1

            22.Aug.2011 6:59pm

          • insert random name here's comment is rated +2 Vote +1 Vote -1

            22.Aug.2011 7:35pm

            the fact is that on this site you do not have to give your name. It doesnt matter what you think should be the case, that IS the case.

            As for your opinion, however outdated and controversial it may be, you are entitled to it. Just as others are entitled to hold the opinion that your opinions are bigoted, that you often contradict yourself, and that you are not man enough to admit to saying something but instead backpedal and u-turn to try and make yourself appear less controversial and make others look stupid.

          • daft old duffer's comment is rated +2 Vote +1 Vote -1

            22.Aug.2011 10:39pm

            When you right to a newspapr you have to give A name. Ditto writers of articles. Nobody says it has to be correct.

      • seb's comment is rated +1 Vote +1 Vote -1

        23.Aug.2011 9:37am

        who’s the MP for salford i ask myself – thanks to google i now know it’s hazel blears.

        jacqui smith – former home secretary – is hosting a daytime show on LBC this week.

        http://www.lbc.co.uk/jacqui-smith-43749

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  8. Meursault's comment is rated +8 Vote +1 Vote -1

    19.Aug.2011 7:29pm

    ‘If people want the advantages that come from our society – they must play by the rules.’

    Yes AT I totally agree, but that should extent to all in society – MPs, The Media, Corporate Leaders, The Police….

    And that is not just by the letter of the law, but the spirit of it too.

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  9. sailflier's comment is rated +9 Vote +1 Vote -1

    19.Aug.2011 8:48pm

    I fear our MP is suffering from the Mob Sentencing affliction which can lead to Mob Hanging Disease if one is not careful.

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  10. insert random name here's comment is rated +13 Vote +1 Vote -1

    19.Aug.2011 9:52pm

    Our father, who art in prison,
    Only mum knows his name,
    Thy Riots come,
    Read it in the Sun,
    In Birmingham, as it is in London,
    Give us this day our Welfare bread,
    And Forgive us our looting,
    As we’re happy to loot those who defend stuff against us,
    Lead us not into employment, but deliver us free housing,
    For thine is the spliff, the blackberry & lager,
    Forever and ever,
    …Innit

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    • polly's comment is rated +14 Vote +1 Vote -1

      19.Aug.2011 10:36pm

      Talk about double standards…four years for doing something daft and spontaneous? What about the deliberate and consistent cheating and dishonesty proved to’ve been going on by those who we pay to represent us? As for instilling discipline, I got that at school…as well as an education that taught me to read and write before I reached my teens…

      Reply
    • D'arcy's comment is rated +5 Vote +1 Vote -1

      20.Aug.2011 11:40am

  11. playingthenumbers's comment is rated +7 Vote +1 Vote -1

    20.Aug.2011 12:06am

    I recall that in the ’90s Alan Bleasdale wrote an excellent screenplay about a charismatic but damaged politician, and how the Tory government deflected attention from the real problems of society by ‘setting him up’ with agent provocateurs to cause civil unrest & rioting etc. GBH I think it was caused.

    I wonder what a world would be like if art ever reflect society?

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    • EinsteinsGhost's comment is rated +2 Vote +1 Vote -1

      20.Aug.2011 6:14am

      It was indeed called GBH and one of the best TV dramas I have ever seen. It starred Robert Lindsay, Michael Palin and Lindsey Duncan. Lets hope it never does come true! That said, I think the reaction by the ‘powers that be’ at the time of the Miners strikes in the eighties came close!

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  12. mick's comment is rated +4 Vote +1 Vote -1

    20.Aug.2011 10:38am

    to solve the problem of rioters is simple, they all group together, then you get a machine gun and shoot them job done.

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    • mark francis's comment is rated +5 Vote +1 Vote -1

      20.Aug.2011 10:44am

      All right, President Assad, we know its you. Nobody likes a sock puppet.

      Reply
    • watchdog's comment is rated +1 Vote +1 Vote -1

      20.Aug.2011 8:07pm

      Mick and Don: I’m sure those trigger-happy chappies in Libya (recognised by our esteemed Foreign Secretary as “the legitimate goverment of Libya”) would welcome some enthusiastic indiscriminate shooters like you.

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      • Don Smith's comment is rated +4 Vote +1 Vote -1

        20.Aug.2011 8:39pm

        I did all my shooting in the early 1950s and I still
        never knew what that conflict was about either.

        Let them all get on with their squabbles – There will never be peace in the Arab world and remember that if there were no wars in the world five million USA people would be unemployed. Think on it!

        Afghanistan: we are just training an army for the Taliban to take over when we leave; that’s if we ever do.

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  13. Lavinia Pinkerton's comment is rated +4 Vote +1 Vote -1

    20.Aug.2011 10:40am

    Why do Tories have to dress-up?

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    • jamie's comment is rated +8 Vote +1 Vote -1

      20.Aug.2011 12:12pm

      There have always been riots so Turner “not permitting” these happening again is ludicrous. They happened as far back as the Egyptians, they are recorded in the middle ages, there were Chartist Riots, there were riots in France and elsewhere. We had riots in 1986 and even some 5 years ago.Shelley wrote a poem called “The Mask of Anarchy” about the Peterloo massacre in Manchester in 1819. The state cracked people’s skulls and they said the same thing about rioters then. There were luddite riots by workers.Riots are not revolutions, but that is what the ruling elite are scared of. Karl Marx said that riots were only a form of class struggle, they break out now and again, not a very high form of class struggle at that.
      We already have sentences for theft and manslaughter, why should rioting be any different. Do we really want to criminalise those who got caught up in the angry mob? They used to hang people for stealing a loaf of bread, there are those that want to do the same for stealing a bottle of water or writing messages on facebook.
      Are Turner and his ilk (including Pugh) quaking in their boots? Does the government have a shock doctrine where they want to use riots as an excuse to pass more right wing laws? Why do they want oppression? Who is it all aimed at?
      There is politics at the bottom of these riots, its obvious,there is austerity and the haves and have nots and the gap between the rich and poor is a fact. Racism hasn’t gone away has it? Things get set on fire and glass gets broken. The cheapest weapon is a simple box of matches.Riots tend to produce different degrees of looting and opportunism.Its not the best thing to happen. If there’s a hole in a window and a nice TV the other side and you don’t have a decent one what would you do? The politicians who claimed on their expenses got TV’s and even duck ponds, are they treated any different?
      The politicians, or the powers that be, don’t have solutions to society’s problems. If we want peace and prosperity then let’s start the big debate for an alternative way of doing things. Its not going to come from the top it has to be bottom up.

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      • mark francis's comment is rated +7 Vote +1 Vote -1

        20.Aug.2011 12:29pm

        Good summary – the Second Civil War began after disturbances following a football match in 1647.

        It seems to be becoming more apparent that predominantly working people were the victims of criminal gangs miffed that the police shot dead one of their own & using flash mob tactics.
        More posh people have been killed by polar bears this year than rioters.
        The worst period for gangs in England was 1660-1712 when gangs were predominantly upper-class yobs who were finally suppressed when leaders of “The Mohocks” (identified by gang tattoos) were hanged.
        The problem then is two-fold – why do people join gangs & how can they be dissuaded and secondly, how should the activities of gangsters & looters be dealt with.
        I suggest a “tough love” approach – give people opportunities for bettering themselves and not joining gangs and then a tough line if they do not respond.

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    • Don Smith's comment is rated +1 Vote +1 Vote -1

      23.Aug.2011 4:51pm

      To cover their modesty:-)

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  14. Communist's comment is rated +6 Vote +1 Vote -1

    20.Aug.2011 4:42pm

    The Youth Are Being Denied a Future: They Must Not Be Criminalised!

    The unrest of the youth which exploded on the streets of London and other cities is a response to the anti-social offensive of this and previous governments, and in particular to the state offensive against the youth. The trigger was a loss of life: the shooting of the unarmed 29-year-old Mark Duggan by the police in Tottenham. This much even David Cameron has been required to admit. The government’s response to the anger of the youth and their refusal to accept the authority of the rich takes no account of its context and the social conditions of the youth and that of whole communities. It is making the whole issue one of law and order, and is acting to brand the youth as common criminals, absolve itself of any responsibility and put in place further repressive measures both against the youth and against society as a whole.

    Read more:

    http://www.rcpbml.org.uk/index.htm

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    • insert random name here's comment is rated +10 Vote +1 Vote -1

      20.Aug.2011 5:14pm

      “The Youth Are Being Denied a Future: They Must Not Be Criminalised!”

      If the youth dont wish to be criminalised, they must not commit crime.

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      • Meursault's comment is rated +2 Vote +1 Vote -1

        21.Aug.2011 12:27am

        ‘insert random name here’ = Peter Hichens

        or maybe….

        ‘insert random name here’ = Kelvin Mackenzie

        or am I being too polite…?

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        • insert random name here's comment is rated +4 Vote +1 Vote -1

          21.Aug.2011 1:52am

          nope neither of those.
          I wouldnt bother speculating, I wont be confirming my name. I could just as well put mind your own business.

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          • Meursault's comment is rated +2 Vote +1 Vote -1

            21.Aug.2011 7:07pm

            I wasn’t speculating, just doing what your title says – inserting random names, albeit of people in the mainstream media who like yourself troll on a topics for effect.

        • insert random name here's comment is rated +3 Vote +1 Vote -1

          21.Aug.2011 7:35pm

          eh? I express and defend my opinion, nothing else.

          Perhaps you should concentrate on forming and expressing your own opinion on the subject instead of denegrating other peoples. By all means tell me I am wrong if you think Im wrong, but dont just make smart alec comments that mean absolutely nothing.

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    • mark francis's comment is rated +1 Vote +1 Vote -1

      21.Aug.2011 8:52pm

      Sid French’s old mob?

      The threat is that measures like water cannon &c are likely to become acceptable and be used against more legitimate protests.

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  15. barbararula's comment is rated +5 Vote +1 Vote -1

    21.Aug.2011 7:14pm

    Andrew Turner is allowed an opinion, even though it is the wrong one as far as cutting benefits, they would only go out and rob. What I found strange with the rioters, if it was political or against the cuts, why did they not destroy the banks, march on Whitehall, why did they c**p on their own doorstep and ruin their neighbours livelyhoods and burn out innocent poor people like themselves, and before you say what do you know, most of my family (all Islanders) live in N London and daughters in-laws live in Croydon.

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  16. John's comment is rated +4 Vote +1 Vote -1

    22.Aug.2011 1:10pm

    Maybe our beloved leaders should engage their brains before they open their mouths.

    I think that the US police chief had it about right-punish the parents who allow their children to riot and this will instill some guilt and responsibility in the children of the parents.

    If you just lock these young people up most will just use it as a badge of honour.

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  17. playingthenumbers's comment is rated +4 Vote +1 Vote -1

    22.Aug.2011 7:07pm

    It’s okay, if only the rioters said sorry & offered to return the goods swiped. After all it worked for 1436 members of parliament, (786 Peers & 650 MPs)

    Many if not most were caught with their hands in the till & those who ‘fessed early got to blame the system.

    If my memory serves my correctly, the hard-core, though they were not exactly the ringleaders; Elliot Morley, David Chaytor and Jim Devine, and Conservative peer Lord Hanningfield were ‘done’ for false accounting along with Eric Illsley, Lord Taylor of Warwick & Margaret Moran.

    Denis MacShane was only referred to the Police following a complaint from BNP & was also suspended from the Labour Party as were there other peers; Lord Bhatia, Lord Paul, who also had to pay back some money.

    Baroness Uddin had an investigation for alleged fraud for claiming at least £180,000 in expenses by designating an empty flat, and previously an allegedly non existent property as her main residence. She was suspended from the House of Lords until the end of 2012 and required to repay £125,349.

    We should not forget that the expenses information was obtained despite the The House of Commons Authorities decision NOT to release details of expenses on the grounds that it was “unlawfully intrusive”.

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    • Don Smith's comment is rated +1 Vote +1 Vote -1

      23.Aug.2011 8:26pm

      You are so right ‘Playingthenumbers’. However, nothing is ever done, because they belong to the establishment, and like the Royals throughout history can do no wrong – They just go to church and ask for forgiveness.

      Give them all enough rope!

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