IW Conservatives tried to persuade UKIP to drop Newport West candidate

UKIP say that the falsified-nomination accusations only came to light once they said no to Conservative requests to withdraw their candidate from Newport West.

iw-conservative-ukip-newport-west-mocked-up-press-release-as-drafted

Before their big falling out, the Isle of Wight Conservatives were in active discussions with UKIP in an attempt to get their candidate to withdraw from running in Newport West.

Drafted a press release for UKIP
In the email exchange that OnTheWight has seen, the Conservatives went as far as volunteering a pre-prepared press release to UKIP, drafting quotes for the Chairman of the Island’s UKIP Party and the candidate, Neville Westlake – all put together in a mocked-up UKIP letterhead.

Headed “UKIP candidate stands aside to secure removal of councillor convicted of indecency in public toilets”, the suggested press release declared that “Labour and Liberal Democrats are not fielding candidates in Newport West and the UKIP move leaves pro-family Conservative, Chris Whitehouse, as the only contender to take on Cllr Whittaker.”

‘Over 3,000 children’ cited
It went on to point out that “Over 3,000 children daily attend five schools in and around Wellington Road, Newport West. They have been denied representation by an effective councillor for three years. That Whittaker is seeking to inflict himself on them yet again is outrageous.” That paragraph ended, “Whittaker and his proposer Tony Couldon should hang their heads in shame.”

UKIP said no, Nominee signatures come to light
UKIP claim that when they refused to drop their candidate, Alan Wells then unleashed the news that one of UKIP candidates, Richard Wilkins, had a falsified signature as one of his nominations.

A highly-placed insider at UKIP told OnTheWight, “We weren’t going to say anything about it, until they started all of this business with nominations.”

Heated exchange
Subsequent to that, Alan Wells and UKIP leader, Nigel Farage have exchanged heated emails over the last two days.

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72 Comments

  1. Chris Whitehouse's comment is rated -32 Vote +1 Vote -1

    18.Apr.2013 4:55pm

    I was astounded that UKIP was not prepared to put first the interests of the children and residents of Newport West. UKIP openly admitted that their Candidate in Newport West, who lives in Ryde, would certainly not be campaigning in the ward. For years the local area has been denied effective representation and so I campaigning hard for every local vote despite UKIP refusing to stand aside. I am equally appalled that a local Labour activist, Tony Coburn, has nominated David Whittaker for election. Both UKIP and Coburn should hang their heads in shame.

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    • middling's comment is rated +16 Vote +1 Vote -1

      18.Apr.2013 5:07pm

      Why did you not “put first the interests of the children and residents of Newport West” and step aside in favour of the UKIP candidate?

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      • Chris Whitehouse's comment is rated -21 Vote +1 Vote -1

        18.Apr.2013 6:56pm

        Quite simply, because the Chair of UKIP on the Island told me personally that their candidate, who lives in Ryde, has no interest in serving as a Councillor in Newport West and that they do not have the members or resources to campaign there, but is simply a “paper” candidate. As a father of four children I am heavily involved with the local schools. As a parent I am fed up with a situation in which Newport West and the 3,000 children who attend school here lack effective representation on the Council. Some things are bigger than petty party politics, and this dire situation is one of them.

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        • woodworker's comment is rated +32 Vote +1 Vote -1

          18.Apr.2013 7:28pm

          A fair point from Chris Whitehouse.

          Since you has such passion for Newport West, why not just stand on your own merits and trust in the electorate to select the best candidate?

          Why do the tories seem intent on running a bullying smear campaign? Is it the only way they can get votes after so many years of sheer incompetence? Or are they just so used to getting their own way that they will do anything, however low, to try and win?

          Until now I had some respect for you, if not your party. Now I have nothing but sheer and utter contempt for you and your party.

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        • just a little one's comment is rated +36 Vote +1 Vote -1

          18.Apr.2013 7:48pm

          @ Chris Whitehouse, what candidates from different parties tell each other at election time bears no relevence to this situation. Why does a man like you from Totland want to serve in Newport? You are very quick to pick up about the UKIP candidate living in Ryde and it seems to trouble you, yet your own location does not. It should be of no concern to the Isle of Wight Conservative Association who is standing for other parties whatsoever. The election is down to the people of the Island to vote for who they want to represent them. It is not for you, Alan Wells or David Pugh to decide who should be fighting seats. Like you I am a parent and I care deeply about their education. You comment about lack of effective representation on the council with regard to education and before you try to stop people standing for seats perhaps you should go and speak to those responsible for education in your own party. Petty party politics is something that the Isle of Wight Conservative Association has caused and they must take full responsibility for, as you put it, this dire situation.
          Sometimes democracy is bigger than party politics and you should remember that.

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    • just a little one's comment is rated +43 Vote +1 Vote -1

      18.Apr.2013 5:11pm

      So Mr Whitehouse what gives you and your cohorts the right to demand that UKIP should withdraw their candidate? This is a free country and one where if the UKIP candidate from Ryde wishes to stand against the Conservative candidate from TOTLAND then he is within his rights to do so. You and your fellow tories should hang their heads in shame for trying to rig and election because Mr Whitehouse that is what you and your mates are doing. My guess is that people will not vote for Mr Whitaker but also that they don’t want another conservative representing them. After all the present regime made a mess of education and there are allegedly five schools in the area you are standing in, I feel sorry for the kids that not only have they Mr Whitaker standing but also a tory, not living in the area who is representing those that have failed them in their education.

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    • Nitonia's comment is rated +29 Vote +1 Vote -1

      18.Apr.2013 5:52pm

      This man just cannot be serious! If any Tory was indeed to put the interests of children first then they would withdraw themselves. In the last four years we have seen them put the most vulnerable children on the iw at risk (officially stated by Ofsted) and have overseen some of the worst academic achievements in the country.

      I understand that Chris Whitehouse sees himself as council leader in waiting whether or not David Pugh is re elected. Well the word I would use rhymes with Whitehouse but it starts with an S !!!

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      • Westie's comment is rated -19 Vote +1 Vote -1

        18.Apr.2013 6:30pm

        Actually, you should be aware that Chris Whitehouse is a Director of the Westminster Education Forum, a former governor of no less than 5 schools, one of which he turned around as Chair of Governors from failing to award-winning in just 2 years. He is a national expert on education policy and is just the sort of guy we need on the council whatever his party politics.

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        • woodworker's comment is rated +17 Vote +1 Vote -1

          18.Apr.2013 7:32pm

          yes he is, so what a shame him and the conservatives feel the need to run this sort of smear campaign

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        • Cicero's comment is rated +1 Vote +1 Vote -1

          18.Apr.2013 8:49pm

          @Westie. “…He is a national expert on education policy”

          Strange? One might expect that his being a “national expert” would be mentioned in the bio for his consultancy company in the Westminster bubble.
          http://www.whitehouseconsulting.co.uk/about_us.html

          Now who else in Island politics acts as an educational consultant having a “particular focus on providing support on education, community engagement and campaigning initiatives.? :-))

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        • Nitonia's comment is rated +10 Vote +1 Vote -1

          18.Apr.2013 9:04pm

          Wow he must be good then. Single handedly rescuing the education of all those students and converting poor teachers into educational gurus overnight!

          Does any of his election canvassing explain why his Tory colleagues have destroyed the chances of many students on the iow have of gaining good gcse results? Is any of his election canvassing criticising the governors of the railing cowes enterprise college?

          Now I’m no fan of ukip but they have a right to stand where they want without being bullied. If mr Whitehouse would like to go public on the educational nous of mssrs Pugh and wells then I might listen to him but at the moment it is all party rhetoric so I shan’t bother if that is ok.

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          • Nitonia's comment is rated +15 Vote +1 Vote -1

            18.Apr.2013 9:23pm

            A quote from Mr Whitehouse’s blurb on the island conservatives web site. “ABOUT CHRIS
            Chris lives to the west of Newport with his wife, Anni, and their four teenage children, all educated at local schools. He knows Carisbrooke and Newport well having lived on the Island for over 10 years.”

            Now I suppose this is factually correct as Totland is certainly west of Newport. However either he is embarrassed about living in Totland (which makes no sense as it is a lovely place) or is he Is distorting the truth which for someone with such supposed omnipotence seems a little unnecessary.

            Still a bit of research into Westminster education forum does suggest he knows a bit which just amplifies the needlessless of his actions in trying to intimidate another candidate.

          • tryme's comment is rated +7 Vote +1 Vote -1

            19.Apr.2013 12:42am

            This is what gives politicians such a bad name. Reading Nitonia’s leaflet excerpt I took it that Chris Whitehouse lives in west Newport. To be uncovered as a manipulator in this way reflects on him very poorly.

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            19.Apr.2013 2:03am

            (That should be ‘website excerpt’)

  2. steve s's comment is rated +37 Vote +1 Vote -1

    18.Apr.2013 5:24pm

    If I were the Conservatives I wouldn’t be talking about schools at all after the appalling mess they’ve made of education on the Island.

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    • phil jordan's comment is rated +24 Vote +1 Vote -1

      18.Apr.2013 6:24pm

      Philip Warren’s leaflet to postal voters (arrived today in the post…..franked letter) has “Our Record” as a quarter page (A4).
      No 4 on this list reads….

      “Implemented Education changes leading to the best ever results for 11 year olds, which will lead to future improvements.”

      I don’t really know what to say or where to start on this little gem.
      Maybe he hasn’t yet heard about the schools in special measures? Or the countries worst GCSE results..? or the worst truancy rates in the country…

      Straws and clutching spring to mind..

      Phil Jordan
      Independent Candidate for Ryde North West

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      • phil jordan's comment is rated +5 Vote +1 Vote -1

        18.Apr.2013 6:28pm

        …should have said Philip warren is conservative candidate for Ryde West.
        (so not my Ward…)

        Phil Jordan
        Independent candidate for Ryde North West

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      • Davy Jones's comment is rated +24 Vote +1 Vote -1

        18.Apr.2013 7:32pm

        Mr Whitehouse – a few questions for you.

        Are you sending out the same letter to postal voters – pretending to be proud of the Island Conservatives’ record on schools? Or will you be telling the truth?

        Are you one of those(like the Tory on my doorstep last week) pretending everything is hunky-dory between the Boy Pugh and the MP? Or will you be telling the truth?

        Are you going to be silenced about this Council’s record on child protection? Or will you be telling the truth?

        Unless you can say you are going to be telling the truth on all these things you are just scaremongering about the current Councillor. The Island’s children have got more to be scared about from the current Tory Council than they have from him.

        So will you be a new broom, prepared to work with others who are elected even if they are not Conservatives? Or just another Pugh lackey doing what he is told?

        Do you think the Boy Pugh should be willing to stand up at a public hustings – or do you support his pathetic excuse not to attend?

        Please let us know – we know you are reading!

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  3. hunter's comment is rated +15 Vote +1 Vote -1

    18.Apr.2013 5:49pm

    talking of schools at least UKIP have in there manifesto to sort out the mess pugh has made ? and all for a grammar school ?

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  4. tiki's comment is rated +19 Vote +1 Vote -1

    18.Apr.2013 5:52pm

    Wells talking about schools – he’s having a laugh! I’m disgusted that Whitaker is standing again and equally disgusted that a Labour candidate (or anyone) would endorse such a person.Thanks VB for your recent articles, you seem to be the only media outlet on the Island covering all angles of the politcial debate. Keep up the good work.

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  5. supercool's comment not rated yet. Add your vote Vote +1 Vote -1

    18.Apr.2013 6:11pm

    I would say to everyone to think hard when voting about what this country needs and what has gone wrong and vote UKIP

    The tories on the Island just like the rest of the UK are incompetent, self interested and do not care about Britain, they have made countless promises about immigration, the EU, education, housing and have failed on every matter.

    Give UKIP a chance to make this Island and this country great again

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    • steephilljack's comment not rated yet. Add your vote Vote +1 Vote -1

      18.Apr.2013 8:16pm

      A UKIP County Council will take the Island out of the EU,introduce grammar schools and have border controls to prevent immigrants (EU and Commonwealth)from getting off the ferries. Right ?

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  6. Bystander's comment is rated +9 Vote +1 Vote -1

    18.Apr.2013 6:14pm

    I’m appalled that the rules allow Whitaker continue as a Councillor let alone stand again!

    As for the Nasty-Party versus the Provisional Nasty-Party handbag fest fought out on neutral territory, it just about completes an all round disgrace situation.

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  7. MamaLu's comment is rated -2 Vote +1 Vote -1

    18.Apr.2013 8:47pm

    I don’t see how voting UKIP on the Island is going to save the nation. If we take UKIP policy to the extreme then they should be claiming independence for the Isle of Wight, banning anyone from the mainland moving here and their own candidates should probably be able to prove that they are at least 3rd generation caulkheads!

    But that would be a bit silly. They are just aiming to mop up the angry, right-wing lot who find Conservatives too mainstream.

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  8. playingthenumbers's comment is rated +8 Vote +1 Vote -1

    18.Apr.2013 8:50pm

    I’m confused. Conservative & UKIP like latter day Don Quixote & Sancho Villa, in turns delusional & world weary, tilting at windmills, riding the decrepit Rocinante (electorate) to actions beyond its means.

    Both support the idea of extreme fiscal consolidation as a means of averting imagined economic collapse, which just the week has been royally busted. (blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100024122/debunking-austerity-claims-makes-no-difference-to-europes-monks-and-zealots/)

    We have on one hand someone whose party imagines that order will be returned when picturesque Philomel style cottages are the norm for the deserving; the other wants to pull the trigger on the UK’s economy once & for all. Because once we leave the EU, London WILL would lose its ability to act as the EU’s clearing house. Already the proposal is bank clearing houses are required to establish themselves inside the euro zone to be allowed to clear transactions in Euros. That is 10% of the UK economy, (the same as car manufacturing is to Germany), gone.

    I know this is an IW council election mostly about run-of-the-mill stuff, but when the candidates finally get around to discussing that MOST of the council budget comes from central government, it will make interesting listening to hear how they think, the majority of working age people on the island will be making the most of their labours to provide for their own sustainability when fear, collateral, underemployment, lack of opportunity, poor education, market failure & twisted logic are stacked against them.

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    • peaceful_life's comment is rated +5 Vote +1 Vote -1

      19.Apr.2013 1:07am

      That’s a good last paragraph.

      I’m not so sure the candidates are even aware enough to give a pragmatic answer, let alone an electorate wanting to know it.

      Thanks.

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  9. Memory man's comment is rated +28 Vote +1 Vote -1

    18.Apr.2013 9:26pm

    Mr Whitehouse – the process you are participating in is the democratic election process.
    You are entitled to stand.
    The UKIP candidate is entitled to stand.
    Mr Whittaker, whatever you may think of him, is entitled to stand.
    The RESIDENTS of the local area are the ones who have the VOTE to decide who should become their Councillor.
    YOU and WELLS are abusing the principle of our democratic system by attempting to manipulate the election, by pressuring other candidates not to stand.
    YOU DO NOT have the right to limit the choice of who electors in Newport West can vote for. YOUR attempt to do so is absolutely disgraceful, and in MY opinion, renders you undemocratic.
    The residents have a choice that is their right. They can vote for you (presumably you didn’t think you could beat John Howe in Totland), the UKIP candidate, or Mr Whittaker.
    Like it or not, democracy means that the residents of Newport west will decide whether or not to re-elect Mr Whittaker. Vile to you and me as that may be, it is THEIR DEMOCRATIC RIGHT.
    New broom my a**e – you’re an even bigger bully than Pugh Brown and Wells put together.
    If you think you are worthy of election in Newport West, you’ll have to persuade the residents to vote for you – not try and make other candidates withdraw to make your election easier – presumably you aren’t much more confident of victory in Newport West than you would have been if you had stood in Totland!

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  10. Hunter's comment is rated +6 Vote +1 Vote -1

    18.Apr.2013 10:17pm

    Well I would rather vote UKIP than all the others , Tories done so many u turns there lost ? 32 so far i believe, and we have all had enough of Pugh etc , And only a nutter would vote labour ! An independents have no party can change there mind do as they please , nope looking at it locally and on policies alone UKIP has to be the islands only hope now , the common sense party ?
    If there leader would find the time to come to the defence of a foot solder candidate being bullied while busy in Brussels well that speaks volumes to me ! They really care even for the little guy ?
    Would trust them over rest no worries
    UKIP for me and my family

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    • Bystander's comment is rated -1 Vote +1 Vote -1

      18.Apr.2013 10:43pm

      Busy in Brussels? I thought Farage was being sarcy in Strasbourg. Ironic really for the head of UKIP

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    • phil jordan's comment is rated +18 Vote +1 Vote -1

      18.Apr.2013 11:26pm

      @Hunter:

      The mortal failing you have in your assessment is that you seem to think you need a “Party” to make things work…… you don’t.
      You can have democratic committees, for example, that manage things so very well…. Look at Epsom & Ewell for example…60 years as an Independent Council..no “Party” mechanism whatsoever.
      The trouble with you Political adherents is that you think (as do this ruling group on the Island) there is no other way than their way..the Party Political way.
      Truth is….we can manage an(this) administration on an Independent majority..as proved elsewhere. With democracy…!

      People matter…not politics..

      Phil Jordan
      Independent Candidate for Ryde North West

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    • peaceful_life's comment is rated +2 Vote +1 Vote -1

      19.Apr.2013 12:24am

      Hi Hunter.

      Would you share the plus points of these policies, and why you think they will be beneficial to the island please?

      Thanks.

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      • hunter's comment is rated +9 Vote +1 Vote -1

        19.Apr.2013 5:36am

        Well the two tier reform was botched and children suffered, we are now second from bottom nationally and the school building program as per cowes is a mess, and UKIP believes in a grammar school AND further education collages,education IS very important i think ?

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        • peaceful_life's comment is rated +4 Vote +1 Vote -1

          19.Apr.2013 1:49pm

          Hunter, that’s nothing that the independents can’t tackle though, we all know education is very important, I’m asking what sets UKIP apart to deal with it better than any of the others.

          It’s no good locking on to a defined concept of a grammar school, indeed…such things lead us to compartmentalised world views which have contributed to our current predicament. Having said that, there is something to be said for the trivium and an academic approach to tenacity, however the construct has not served us well and cannot allow for a holisitc fluidity that’s so desperatly needed right now.

          It’s no fluke that we see the same cerebral mirrorings comming from party politics to this day.

          Someone said something about….’doing the same thing and expecting different results’, we simply cannot afford anymore of this, we have never faced such challenges as we do now and none of the parties are dynamic enough to cope.

          Thanks.

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    • MamaLu's comment is rated -1 Vote +1 Vote -1

      19.Apr.2013 10:17am

      I don’t think that a dislike of the Conservative warrants voting UKIP – which to my mind are an even more extreme version. If you think that UKIP are going to stick to their election promises more than any other candidate then you may be sadly disappointed.

      My local UKIP candidate has made huge promises with no explanation of how he can achieve those things, or where the money will come from. It seems like wishful thinking, more than well-thought out policy.

      Independents are not a political party but that means they vote according to the best interests of their town or area. They have put together some policies such as restoring services – you can see this on their website:
      pendent-island.org.uk/

      Personally, I will be voting Independent because I don’t think that there should be any party politics on a local level. Leave that to Westminster!

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      • Fast 'n' Bulbous's comment is rated +5 Vote +1 Vote -1

        19.Apr.2013 8:58pm

        Feel sorry for those of us who live in a ward where the only choices are Conservative or UKIP then. Vote UKIP in order to try and keep the Tories out or don’t bother/spoil the ballot paper and risk them getting in again?

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    • peaceful_life's comment is rated -3 Vote +1 Vote -1

      19.Apr.2013 2:23pm

      @Hunter.

      Care fot the little guy?

      Nigel was a commodities trader and is a very wealthy man.

      We’re only making plans for Nigel
      We only want what’s best for him
      We’re only making plans for Nigel
      Nigel just needs this helping hand
      And if young Nigel says he’s happy
      He must be happy
      He must be happy in his work.

      What does he know of the ‘little guy’?…..and by this I assume you mean the men and women that actually do the work in the fucntioning of society?
      Please stop with the self-deprication, its a fallacy to far.

      José Mujica, a true man of the people.

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  11. Hunter's comment is rated +7 Vote +1 Vote -1

    19.Apr.2013 6:16am

    Also i might add, having wandered into the UKIP shop in Newport for a look while passing and see policies etc
    I think we all would be surprised at how plain talking and same view as most of us they really are ?
    certainly a change from the nasty parties!

    Voting UKIP here !

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  12. Hunter's comment is rated +4 Vote +1 Vote -1

    19.Apr.2013 7:34am

    When it comes down to it we can all either keep voting in the same self centered nasties or say “enough is enough” and vote a new lot in ? UKIP, im fed up whining and moaning about council mess ups, Indian head rubs anyone remember that ? the thousands on new laptops for them all ? they spent thousands up grading council web site ?why, did last one not work then ,yet they try and close a library?,shut down toilets?,Well im going to try and change things and vote UKIP local and certainly in 2015

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    • Darcy's comment is rated +12 Vote +1 Vote -1

      19.Apr.2013 8:50am

      I concur with some of your arguments, particularly relating to past events. But to reinforce Phil Hunter’s points, these activities occurred under the control of parties. Independents I believe would take a much more pragmatic view, and would attempt to choose solutions that benefit the people of the island and not themselves nor their Westminster masters. At the same time, I confess I rather like Farage’s style, candour and commitment. But I also am aware of the dangers of relying on national party leaders who in the long run, don’t care two hoots what happens to the Isle of Wight.

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      • Darcy's comment not rated yet. Add your vote Vote +1 Vote -1

        19.Apr.2013 8:51am

        Sorry, I meant Phil Jordan!!

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      • Hunter's comment is rated -9 Vote +1 Vote -1

        19.Apr.2013 8:54am

        WRONG
        UKIP are not bound by party whips ?
        and you are voting for a local councilor pick one born here ?
        this argument might have legs in 2015 but not a local election for the council ,the winning councilor can be contacted by phone or e mail and is answerable to the voter for whom he or she will stand.

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        • playingthenumbers's comment is rated +4 Vote +1 Vote -1

          19.Apr.2013 2:07pm

          “Voting for a local councillor, pick one that’s born here”, go on, I’m interested enough to know what you mean my that.

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        • Darcy's comment is rated +10 Vote +1 Vote -1

          19.Apr.2013 2:27pm

          “UKIP are not bound by party whips?”
          Of course they’re not, they haven’t got any MPs.

          “and you are voting for a local councilor pick one born here ?”
          Don’t you mean pick one ‘living’ here…? Are you saying that those who choose to live here are not capable of representing residents?

          “… the winning councilor can be contacted by phone or e mail and is answerable to the voter for whom he or she will stand.”
          Of course they can but in the case of Tory Councillors, they are not allowed to disagree with the politburo.

          And finally “WRONG”
          You’re right. I was supporting some of your arguments in favour of UKIP but having seen your reasoning I was clearly WRONG.

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    • no.5's comment is rated +1 Vote +1 Vote -1

      19.Apr.2013 9:37pm

      you can vote Tory or Ultra Tory (UKIP)…but you are still a self serving money grabber with no thought for the Island or its residents….

      UKIP is not different from Conservative..just more Tory

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  13. supercool's comment not rated yet. Add your vote Vote +1 Vote -1

    19.Apr.2013 8:24am

    Its good to see alot of support for UKIP on here.This is there local manifesto for those who want more information, some very good polciies for the island.

    -stop wind farms
    -protecting green spaces
    -more police on the streets
    -controlling immigration
    -social housing, schools places, nhs care for local people not immigrants
    -local referendums for important local issues
    -specific policy to stop excessive council expenses which the tories have been a disgrace in our council

    http://www.ukip.org/media/policies/LocalManifesto2013.pdf

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    • Luisa Hillard's comment is rated +1 Vote +1 Vote -1

      26.Apr.2013 1:57pm

      Why does the UKIP Local Manifesto have national issues on it that a County Councillor has NO influence over?

      Voting UKIP on a local level has absolutely NO effect on immigration policy of the current Government. Not only that but the Island is one of the WHITEST places in the UK – we certainly don’t have an immigration problem here, unless you count all these mainlanders.

      Out of interest exactly which immigrant countries does UKIP object to? Do you also propose to stop UK people retiring to Spain?

      How do you propose to put more police on the streets? That is also not the remit of the local Councillor, although you MIGHT be able to negotiate with the Independent police commissioner about this.

      Luisa Hillard, Independent Candidate for East Cowes
      http://www.independent-island.org.uk/lhillard.html

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  14. MamaLu's comment is rated +3 Vote +1 Vote -1

    19.Apr.2013 10:22am

    It’s not a choice of just Conservative or UKIP in most wards, thank god. It’s not a case of choosing the lesser evil.

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    • bayboy's comment is rated -15 Vote +1 Vote -1

      19.Apr.2013 10:51am

      So, Independants will stick up for their residents and communities will they? So what happens when only certain areas are affected by a policy (such as TICs or such like) The concensus then falls apart and no decision is reached. Seem’s like it could all fall apart, like it did before!

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      • matt.h's comment is rated +17 Vote +1 Vote -1

        19.Apr.2013 11:06am

        Hi Bayboy,

        When you say “Seem’s like it could all fall apart, like it did before” are you saying that things have held together under the Tories, if so I must be living on a strange but parallel island, because on my Isle of Wight the Tories have been a complete disaster.

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      • just a little one's comment is rated +11 Vote +1 Vote -1

        19.Apr.2013 11:24am

        @bayboy, yes independents will stick up for residents and communities, mine has tried for the last four years. The only problem he has had is that Mr Pugh and his cohorts won’t listen or work with any other party than their own. The whole island were against areas that were affected by policy (such as TIC’s) but would those in power listen – NO.
        Why has my local conservative candidate been told they only have to turn up to council meetings when required and vote for policy? Strikes me hearing what conservatives are saying on the doorstep nothing will change if Pugh and his cronies get in again, it will get worse. It is down to everyone on the Island who cares about the Island, its future, its heritage, its children, its old people and tourism to get out there and vote and keep those that have caused the downfall of our Island out.

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      • phil jordan's comment is rated +6 Vote +1 Vote -1

        19.Apr.2013 11:57am

        @bayboy:

        That’s not how democracy works nor is it, indeed, how it will work in the future if a majority of Independents are successful on May 2nd.
        I’m not sure why you seem to find this difficult to understand.
        Ideas, proposals motions will be brought forward from Councillors and committees, put in front of full Council and debated. At the end of the debate a vote will take place. Individual Councillors will vote for, or against, or abstain (no vote)on the proposal in front of them. In just about all cases this will result in a (democratic!) decision being undertaken and implemented. In the rare chance there is a split vote I would imagine the *Chair* would hold a casting vote (this is not decided for the moment and is procedural rather than policy anyway.)
        The point is that policies and ideas and strategies are all passed through to Full Council and voted upon by Full Council and rejected or accepted democratically thereafter. That IS the consensus. That is the policy and procedure that ALL (Island) Independents have signed up to agree to. They expect democracy to work in this way, are prepared for it and will contribute to that system of administration.
        It will be a far cry from the past 8 years of stoic and unbending consensus that the ruling administration have imposed… Cabinet decision, block votes, delegated decisions…and more.
        I would ask people to consider if they prefer (amongst other considerations, of course) this current system of management based upon the majority ruling group *rules* or if they would prefer an open and democratic management where transparency will not be a word..it will be a visible process and decisions will be taken democratically in full view of the Public in Council meetings and..here’s the good bit, be decided upon by Councillors who represent the interests of Islanders and their families and NOT some political aspiration.
        Failure to understand this approach will lead you into mistakenly thinking that an Independent Council could not or would not function correctly. It’s called democracy and Independents will stop talking about after May 3rd and actually implement it.

        Phil Jordan
        Independent Candidate for Ryde North West

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        • phil jordan's comment is rated +1 Vote +1 Vote -1

          19.Apr.2013 12:03pm

          @Bayboy:

          I should have added this. It is a Public document and a Framework for Change from the Independent candidates. The changes I am telling you about are contained within and are the bare bones of how we are going to change things once and for all.

          http://www.independent-island.org.uk/pdf/A%20Framework%20For%20Change.pdf

          Phil Jordan
          Independent Candidate for Ryde North West

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        • Robert Jones's comment is rated +3 Vote +1 Vote -1

          19.Apr.2013 12:27pm

          Another way of looking at that might be that a council dominated by Independents – if that’s not a contradiction in terms – would be formless, leaderless, rudderless; too easily controlled by powerful officers who will have an agenda even if councillors haven’t.

          I’m not by the way saying I necessarily believe that: it will depend very much on who those Independents are. The assumption however that all will be well in the municipal flower-beds because you’ve weeded the party politics out is slightly optimistic…

          Were you a bit older or had a longer memory, you would recall that the Isle of Wight County Council, as was, and South Wight Rural District and then Borough Council were run by “Independents”: they weren’t a total disaster by any means, but … they weren’t a resounding triumph of good governance, either. As an Independent candidate, I don’t blame you for over-egging the pudding a bit: but that’s what you ARE doing – and it seems to me you’re being a bit too dogmatic: party politics entered local government, and people voted for it, for good reasons. The previous model had failed.

          Maybe every model of local and national government WILL fail, given the frailty of human judgement – but as someone who has lurked around the political scene for the last 40 years or so, my view is that the most successful councils comprise a mixture of progressives, a leavening of more cautious conservatives, and those awkward gentry whose reactions can’t be predicted one way or another until a case is actually put to them. A council actually RUN by the last group is likely to be largely reactive – ie, waiting for initiatives to be presented to it: and in that respect, it might come to resemble our parish and town councils – which is a recipe for going nowhere, very, very slowly.

          But I do believe it will depend crucially on the people who actually get elected, rather than the political clothes they wear: we haven’t been overburdened by talent in County Hall for a good many years now – and what’s going to matter is whether you and your colleagues, if you get elected, are going to be GOOD enough, competent, up to the job: and not led by the nose by a few senior directors who tell you services are just great and everyone’s doing just fantastically!

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          • tryme's comment is rated +2 Vote +1 Vote -1

            20.Apr.2013 7:54am

            “…. the people who actually get elected, rather than the political clothes they wear…” is precisely the Island Independent request of the electorate, and what will happen when an Island Indie is voted in.

            For anyone voting Tory, it has turned out you don’t get the individual, you get the Tory whip.

            We don’t have the choice, of course, of voting for some kind of balance in the Council, having only one vote each.

        • Cicero's comment is rated +8 Vote +1 Vote -1

          19.Apr.2013 1:11pm

          Perhaps the salient question for voters should be:

          “Do you want policies for the Island decided in the IW Council Chamber or the Island Conservative party’s committee rooms, following diktats from their masters in Westminster?”

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      • Luisa Hillard's comment is rated +1 Vote +1 Vote -1

        26.Apr.2013 2:21pm

        How can consensus ‘fall apart’? A vote is taken and the majority wins, a decision is reached. That’s called democracy.

        Historically all Councils had no party politics, so they were all ‘independent’, and it is to this model that I wish to return to – when Councillors realise that they are all on the same team and pull together, rather than try to further their own Party agenda.

        Luisa Hillard, Independent Candidate for East Cowes
        http://www.independent-island.org.uk/lhillard.html

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  15. phil jordan's comment is rated +5 Vote +1 Vote -1

    19.Apr.2013 1:06pm

    @Robert Jones:
    I have posted this before but…

    Take a look at Epsom and Ewell who have had an Independent Council for around 60 years!

    There is very little in the way of politics involved in the administration of the Council (run through committee and ‘residents associations’) and it does demonstrate that a Council can be run and managed without political grouping.
    I understand there are not many of these around the Country but that does not mean they don’t work…it means that many people with *traditional* views of Local Council governance don’t understand there are other ways to manage a Local Council and have the confidence to vote them in.
    You are right, however, I am talking up the Independents for a number of reasons.
    I believe that as a (majority) group of Independents in County Hall we can make a change to the way the Island is run and managed that will see an improvement over the current state we have. It’s a long list, I accept, that we have to address but as Epsom and Ewell admirably demonstrate..given the support of the residents and the electorate, Independents can, could and would run the administration of this Island for the benefit of all without political credence.
    Until people actually start to understand that this is possible and the old historical model of party politics can be over..we will never know!
    That is why I am prepared to commit to promoting the Independents as a ’cause’ …I believe it is our best way forward at this moment in time (an important consideration also?)and I’m personally tired of listening to, and being controlled by, political machinations.
    You are right to address the traditional ‘conflict’ between Officers and elected representatives and time will tell if the Independent Councillors can create a better working relationship without the political bias with Officers than the current one.
    Indeed, I’m not sure how good this current ruling group actually are at working with others…? They do seem to be in conflict in numbers of places and I happen to believe it is an utter disgrace they cannot work with our current MP on broader issues that affect the Island such as the Ferries (for one!).
    The hope for me is that these considerations will be a thing of the past as we move into a new era of Council management without political squabbles and political bias. Let’s argue about the issues …not the politics!

    People matter….not politics.

    Phil Jordan
    Independent Candidate for Ryde North West

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    • hunter's comment is rated -16 Vote +1 Vote -1

      19.Apr.2013 1:33pm

      Council run by load of Independents ? all squabbling for the top position and superiority political point scoring and missing the whole point of the job in hand , nope , one or two yes that makes for a good debate on things i guess and defiantly want mr priest to OUT that pugh boy,but i would rather give UKIP a go even to just slap Westminster in the face ?
      and i am sure they could NOT make a worse job of it than the nasty party ? ukip might just be really good ? who knows until we stop whining and moaning and give em a go eh ?

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      • playingthenumbers's comment is rated +3 Vote +1 Vote -1

        19.Apr.2013 2:05pm

        Because the choice is more than jumping from the frying pan & into the fire!

        The Tories may be daft, having have tried & failed to turn the island into a ‘little England’ theme park, but ukip are dangerous. The truth is the island needs economic growth, to achieve this we need a sustainable plan, which requires input from ALL sections of society, everyone! The council debating chamber is the designated place where these views are rigorously explored. The more views, the more rigorous the exploration.

        UKIP are the ultimate protest party, never run anything, (except down), blaming, denying, promising the earth & without the slightest sense of irony contemplating where the money for investment is coming from.

        Both conservative & UKIP supporters would be well served to replay last years olympic opening ceremony. The metaphor of the green & pleasant land, rolled over & replaced by industry, which in turn was knocked down and replaced by the digital age isn’t that complicated.

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        • hunter's comment is rated -2 Vote +1 Vote -1

          19.Apr.2013 2:16pm

          Best thing i ever bothered to go look at was youtube i think ukipmedia and look for GODFREY BLOOM ARMCHAIR ECONOMICS now i defy anyone to watch that and say ukip do not have a clue , that chap has been in economics his whole working life and knows his stuff go watch it all you septic wingers and whiners who think ukip are not worth a go.
          most ukip are islanders not mainlanders who come here trying to make it a little piece of where they came from ? i give you the tin mine lookalike black thing at shanklin ?

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          • peaceful_life's comment is rated +1 Vote +1 Vote -1

            19.Apr.2013 3:20pm

            @Hunter.

            I watched it (couldn’t help myself), that wasn’t anything to do with economics, that was gibberish peppered with cheap digs and pap.

            The only interest this man has in money is making it, he hasn’t a clue how it works or what it represents, mind you most eCONomists don’t.

            He is an interesting chap though, I only had a glance at the wiki entry, big on the womans vote isn’t he.

            I see he has a steel trap mind on climate science too, early skiing season indeed.

            He did mention being right on energy policy too, have you any idea what it is?

            Thanks.

      • tryme's comment is rated +1 Vote +1 Vote -1

        19.Apr.2013 6:49pm

        The Island’s too important to us, hunter, to “give UKIP a go, even to just slap Westminster in the face”.

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    • Stewart Blackmore's comment is rated -2 Vote +1 Vote -1

      19.Apr.2013 2:16pm

      Hang on a minute Phil. Of the 38 Councillors in Epsom & Ewell they are made up of: 3 Con, 3 Lab, 6 LibDem and 26 Residents Association. Coincidentally, I have family who live there and they say that the RA group are not very different from the Tories.

      They are a very well organised single group with no Leader. Do you guarantee that there will be no Leader of the Council if the Independents win?

      Don’t forget to check with Ian Stephens before you answer!

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      • phil jordan's comment not rated yet. Add your vote Vote +1 Vote -1

        19.Apr.2013 6:39pm

        Stewart, the Council is Independent by virtue of the ‘residents association’ who truly are Independent. But you know that!
        The fact that there are other political party Councillors doesn’t change the fact…in exactly the same way we regard the Island Council to be conservative yet there are 16 other Councillors who are not conservative…!
        Coincidently (and also why I know a bit about it..) I lived in Downs Road, Epsom for a number of years…
        The whole structure of the Council is not run as any conservative Council would be running it.
        But you miss the point, I think. I am not suggesting we model ourselves on Epsom (good that it is) I am pointing out that contrary to *some* posts and posters here who are struggling with the concept of being ‘Independent’ ..there is evidence and example of an Independent Council running a Local Authority (for 60 years, no less)without Political persuasion.
        It really has nothing to do with having a ‘Leader’ as such – with or without a ‘Leader’ this Island can be managed by Independents who will change the structure of the Council to better reflect democracy and start working for the people on this Island and not some political party ideology.

        Phil JOrdan
        Independent Candidate for Ryde North West

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  16. MamaLu's comment is rated +1 Vote +1 Vote -1

    19.Apr.2013 2:31pm

    It is my understanding that all Town/Parish councils are supposed to be non-political i.e. independents.

    Historically (pre-1970s) all County Councils were also non-political and candidates did not run on a Party ticket.

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  17. Hunter's comment is rated +10 Vote +1 Vote -1

    19.Apr.2013 2:52pm

    Just looked on the county press web site and seems the tories havent bothered to go to police with the accusation of falsifying a form ?
    didnt wells say he would on Wednesday PM ?
    if i was that bloke i would go file a charge of harassment against that wells and the tories ,tory member works at IWCA then denies signing ? how would or could that be proved or not ? clearly poor bloke got stitched up there, wells should have handled that better ? but then just shows what this tory lot are like as if WE didnt know ….
    i do hope this election gets them out, every one of them that poor bloke wilkins would get my vote if i lived in his area he must wish he hadn’t bothered

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  18. Island Monkey's comment is rated +10 Vote +1 Vote -1

    19.Apr.2013 3:34pm

    Speaking of the County Press – they seem to have nailed their colours to the mast today by printing a letter from David Pugh detailing his good works in Shanklin and an article by la Hofton, bashing the Mp’s partner. They even make the UKIP story pro-Tory!

    True friends, true blues? Trebles all round.

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  19. Cicero's comment is rated +8 Vote +1 Vote -1

    19.Apr.2013 4:40pm

    @IM “Speaking of the County Press”

    Erm yes! Speaking of the County Press, does anyone know how much the Conservative Party flyer cost to prepare and distribute? Also how that cost is shared among the 40 candidates and does it count towards their £625 limit on spend?

    If the Conservative Party was as good T managing the economy as managing the “economy with the truth” as demonstrated by the election flyer, perhaps the Island and the UK would not be in such a mess.

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    • Darcy's comment is rated +9 Vote +1 Vote -1

      19.Apr.2013 5:06pm

      So economical in fact, that there’s no mention of the library service, public toilets, tourist information centres, children’s services, nor mainstream education.
      That’s a pretty big black hole!
      Still, no matter, they’ve ‘frozen’ council tax so they don’t have any money to spend on them, even if they cared.

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  20. martin william wareham's comment is rated +8 Vote +1 Vote -1

    19.Apr.2013 4:54pm

    Speaking of the County Press. Don’t buy the Tory biased crap save your money every Election year its the same filled with Conservative propaganda.

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  21. musiclady's comment is rated +2 Vote +1 Vote -1

    22.Apr.2013 9:59am

    Cowes North only have a choice of Conservative or UKIP so tactical voting may well be in order!

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  22. History Geek's comment not rated yet. Add your vote Vote +1 Vote -1

    26.Apr.2013 2:43pm

    The NAZIs came into power following the financial collapse in Germany using a 25 point manifesto which seemed fairly reasonable to most people, at first, but it played on their fear and insecurity.

    The EU was created to prevent a third World War whereby no fascist state could again lead to division and conflict, and yet leaving the EU is one of the main policies of UKIP.

    http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm

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