Homeless pensioner told by council officials to buy a tent

Pensioner forced to camp on cliff paths because she wasn’t considered vulnerable enough for emergency housing.

Tent:

When homeless pensioner Dawn Martin sought help from housing officers at the Isle of Wight council, she was shocked to find the best they could offer were vouchers for food and a tent, saying she wasn’t entitled to emergency housing.

The 62 year old says she’d been trying to get help with re-housing since leaving her winter let some three weeks ago.

Didn’t meet eligibility criteria
However, council officials told her that she didn’t meet eligibility criteria and the best they could do was to offer vouchers for her to buy a tent, so she could at least have a temporary shelter.

The officers argued that Mrs Martin, who has been camping on cliff paths, was not vulnerable enough, but she told the CP,

“I don’t know how they can say a 62 year old camping alone at night isn’t vulnerable.”

Prospect of B&B
We understand that the council have now requested more information from Mrs Martin in the hope of being able to provide costs for B&B accommodation.

Source: County Press 31.5.2103

Image: (Not Mrs Martin’s actual tent) Grand Canyon NPS under CC BY 2.0

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74 Comments

  1. Whocaresaboutaname's comment is rated -132 Vote +1 Vote -1

    31.May.2013 5:16pm

    Why did she give up her accommodation previously? If was down to the fact that maybe couldn’t afford the rent on previous place then why not try to find somewhere else first? I wouldn’t dream of just leaving my bed one morning and thinking right fed up of paying, let’s all go sit in housing office and get them to house me….lol too many people thinking other people should be responsible for them, makes me sick, she obviously made herself homeless ….

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    • Joe's comment is rated +77 Vote +1 Vote -1

      31.May.2013 5:23pm

      Sounds like she was in a fixed period let across the winter and this came to an end, so she would have no choice about moving out.

      It is pretty shocking to hear that the council’s solution for a homeless 62 year old woman was to give her vouchers and tell her to buy a tent.

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      • woodworker's comment is rated -67 Vote +1 Vote -1

        31.May.2013 6:02pm

        It strikes me that if she had a fixed term let, she should have been prepared for the end of the term.
        It does seem ridiculous that the council cant offer her a bed in a hostel or something, but Im sure if the full facts were known this wouldnt seem like such a harsh judgement.
        It does seem a bit ridiculous for Dawn Martin to say “I don’t know how they can say a 62 year old camping alone at night isn’t vulnerable.” – she WASNT camping alone at night, she was in a temporary let, and if she has not prepared for the end of that let, thats her problem.

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        • peaceful_life's comment is rated +57 Vote +1 Vote -1

          31.May.2013 6:10pm

          She didn’t say she HAD been camping either did she?
          The article states..
          ‘When homeless pensioner Dawn Martin sought help’
          …Thus, she WAS homeless.
          Are we really suggesting here that the initial offer should be a TENT, irrespective of how she ended up in these circumstances?

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        • tryme's comment is rated +44 Vote +1 Vote -1

          31.May.2013 6:15pm

          Crikey – harsh, woodworker, harsh! I misread you at first and thought you were saying “I’m sure if the full facts were known…” we would understand how it was that this woman found herself in such a fix, and I thought ‘hooray for you’. Safest to give the benefit of the doubt in her direction, I think.

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          • woodworker's comment is rated -69 Vote +1 Vote -1

            31.May.2013 6:31pm

            No-one should be given the benefit of the doubt. No judgement should be made until the facts are known. At the moment, the facts reported suggest that she has made herself homeless by not being organised for the end of her winter let. It also says she is trying to get help with re-housing. Is this her walking in and asking them to help her find somewhere to rent, or is this her asking taxpayers to give her a handout – we dont know.
            One thing is clear – if she is able to afford rent, the council is under no obligation to pay her housing benefit, and should not do so. A tent is unreasonable, and a hostel should be found until she can find somewhere to rent, but thats as far as it should go.
            If she knew she was going to lose her home because it was a temporary winter let, she should have been prepared and made arrangements to move.

          • tryme's comment is rated +56 Vote +1 Vote -1

            31.May.2013 6:51pm

            So this is you making “no judgement” is it, woodworker?! (I wonder what you would sound like if you had the facts and thought they reflected badly on her).

            We on a website should of course be giving someone the benefit of the doubt when we do not have the person’s full details – nor should she be obliged to give them to us.

          • Bystander's comment is rated +47 Vote +1 Vote -1

            31.May.2013 6:56pm

            “or is this her asking taxpayers to give her a handout”

            Very DailyMail reaction. It wouldn’t be a “handout” it would be a entitlement, a teachers salary would also ultimately be paid by the taxpayer, are they handouts too?

          • woodworker's comment is rated -47 Vote +1 Vote -1

            31.May.2013 7:10pm

            absolutely, she is not at all obliged to make her details public – but she shouldnt expect the benefit of the doubt either.
            When David Pugh swore, he was vilified – very few gave him the benefit of the doubt, or considered that there may be more to the story than had been reported, yet from Carole Dennetts repeated letters and emails after the event, it seems there must have been.
            This woman, from the reported facts, seems to have an entitlement to a hostel whilst she looks for somewhere to rent – nothing more. If more facts became apparent, then maybe that opinion would change. But the facts are not apparent.

            Bystander, a salary is by definition earned, whether it be paid by the taxpayer or not.
            This woman may well deserve a handout or an entitlement, or benefit as I beleive the correct term actually is, but that is not for you to say, or for me to say. If you look carefully, I have twice said that a tent is not acceptable and that a hostel bed should be provided, but based on the available facts, I think thats where her benefit should end, and I also think that should be a temporary solution whilst she looks for permanent rented accomodation. I beleive she should have organised herself before her winter let ran out, not made herself homeless and then have expected benefits. If she was unable to do so, why not? Is she vulnerable in some way, ie unable to organise this for herself? No.

          • tryme's comment is rated +33 Vote +1 Vote -1

            31.May.2013 7:16pm

            I repeat myself: We on a website do not have the full facts, we are not working in the housing department, and so rather than assume the worst of this person we should give the benefit of the doubt.

          • Bystander's comment is rated +43 Vote +1 Vote -1

            31.May.2013 7:26pm

            @woodworker stick to working with wood and leave people to those with compassion

          • tryme's comment is rated +19 Vote +1 Vote -1

            31.May.2013 7:45pm

            ” I believe she should have organised herself before her winter let ran out, not made herself homeless and then have expected benefits. If she was unable to do so, why not? Is she vulnerable in some way, ie unable to organise this for herself? No.”

            So this is what ‘no judgement’ and being “not at all obliged to make her details public” sounds like.

          • woodworker's comment is rated -36 Vote +1 Vote -1

            31.May.2013 7:58pm

            thats not my judgement. thats the judgement of the IOW Council. It is clearly reported that she did not meet eligibility criteria and was not considered vulnerable by the officers dealing with her case. Assuming that is accurate, which we have no reason not to given the lack of facts, she is getting the help to which she is entitled, even if that help is substandard.

          • tryme's comment is rated +27 Vote +1 Vote -1

            31.May.2013 9:06pm

            We hear (and not a direct quote) only that ‘she didn’t meet the eligibility criteria’ and ‘wasn’t vulnerable enough’.

            That isn’t grounds for you to judge that “I believe she should have organised herself before her winter let ran out, not made herself homeless and then have expected benefits”. You’re quoting you, not the Council.

            And it looks as though the Council may think they made a mistake in their assessment. With her in front of them. Why do you think YOU can be so sure, as you rush to judge and condemn?

            There is officially-defined ‘intentionally homeless’ and ‘vulnerable’, and there is fellow feeling for a human being who finds themselves in an unwanted pickle, (you think she wouldn’t rather have avoided this? B&B isn’t so very alluring), falls outside of official criteria, (eg. no children under 16 with her, no serious health condition that would be exacerbated by tent-living), and finds there is only a frightening situation in front of her.

    • peaceful_life's comment is rated +84 Vote +1 Vote -1

      31.May.2013 6:02pm

      This is a 62 year old, female human being.
      Attempt to engage your mind in some empathy, and pray to goodness sakes that you never find yourself in such a situation.

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    • tryme's comment is rated +28 Vote +1 Vote -1

      31.May.2013 6:20pm

      If YOU wouldn’t dream of it, Whocares, (appropriate name), why at once assume that this woman did? Another example of a passing hobbyhorse being grabbed for a good ole’ ride, never mind if the actual situation fits or not.

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      • Whocaresaboutaname's comment is rated -35 Vote +1 Vote -1

        31.May.2013 8:39pm

        Maybe it’s te way I’ve been brought up tryme, but people don’t just get made homeless without a reason, how do we know that this lady wasnt evicted for numerous reasons that could be hard to rehome, or maybe she has a income which again surely would be hard as she’s not vulnerable as could afford to do things herself. I was just simply stating why does there always have to be someone to blame, surely ultimately the blame is hers for not sorting herself out before to got to ths stage!,

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        • tryme's comment is rated +37 Vote +1 Vote -1

          31.May.2013 8:45pm

          I don’t know if you are very young or have been very sheltered in your life, Whocares, but you seem to have reduced the likely scenarios down to one, and life is far more complex and unexpected than that!

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          • Whocaresinaname's comment is rated -29 Vote +1 Vote -1

            31.May.2013 9:11pm

            I repeat myself: We on a website do not have the full facts, we are not working in the housing department, and so rather than assume the worst of this person we should give the benefit of the doubt. Your words tryme and I haven’t reduced scenarios down to one, I was simply stating my opinion if you don’t like it, don’t read it, my age and how I have led my life is irrelevant and judgmental ! How do know this wasn’t for one night, or maybe council offered something and it was turned down, In high areas of homelessness I bet they would jump at being given money for a tent for. Temporary solution until a new home is found surely its better than nothing, and there’s some great cheap campsites.

          • tryme's comment is rated +18 Vote +1 Vote -1

            31.May.2013 9:21pm

            As I have just posted, my comments have been about the denigratory assumptions that have been made here about this lady.

          • sick of one for them one for us's comment is rated -1 Vote +1 Vote -1

            3.Jun.2013 12:07pm

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    • goosegog55's comment is rated +12 Vote +1 Vote -1

      3.Jun.2013 3:33pm

      Oh , and of course you know her . You know her personal circumstances .. Sanctimonious PRIG

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  2. Janet Scott's comment is rated +29 Vote +1 Vote -1

    31.May.2013 5:48pm

    So many unanswered questions it’s impossible to comment.

    She may have reached ‘rock bottom’ and unable to fight her corner.

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  3. peaceful_life's comment is rated +24 Vote +1 Vote -1

    31.May.2013 5:57pm

    ‘The officers ARUED that Mrs Martin, who has been camping on cliff paths, was not vulnerable enough’

    They did what?………are these ‘officers’ aware of the LAW they are to uphold?

    This woman is entitled to redress, and should serve them with ‘notice’ of such!

    How dare they!

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  4. GoodnessGracious's comment is rated +18 Vote +1 Vote -1

    31.May.2013 6:06pm

    I wish there was no need to report on this sad and sorry matter. So, well done that you have!
    (“…the council…able to provide costs for B&B…”)

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  5. BRIAN's comment is rated -22 Vote +1 Vote -1

    31.May.2013 6:43pm

    Not wishing to appear hard-hearted in this matter but as I understand it, she had to leave the accomodation during the winter. It all boils down to getting her act together and making provision for the end of the tenancy which she does not appear to have done. If she was not in a position to afford alternative rented accomodation, she should have approached the council earlier instead of leaving it to the last minute.

    Some people are so disorganised that they end up in trouble because they do not plan ahead. Most people own up to being inefficient and suffer the consequences by accepting the situation. Others who are inefficient never blame themselves, it’s always someone else’s fault.

    My son scrapped his car but did not inform the DVLA in the correct manner and was fined £100. He then starts moaning about his plight to which my response was that he should have taken more notice and got his act together. The form clearly stated what he had to do but he didn’t do it.

    I suspect a similar situation has occurred here.

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    • tryme's comment is rated +35 Vote +1 Vote -1

      31.May.2013 7:04pm

      Ever thought of the many sorts of overwhelming or just unlucky circumstances, that can lead to people being “disorganised”, Brian? Your “I suspect” isn’t based on much and does indeed sound heart-hearted.

      Perhaps most of us here lead relatively sheltered lives, where it is a whole lot easier being ‘organised’. But something out of the blue can hit any of us and knock us sideways for a while…. Let’s hope we can count on a few people to show us some kindness.

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      • Whatsinaname's comment is rated -28 Vote +1 Vote -1

        31.May.2013 8:53pm

        you keep spouting on about kindness tryme, and quick to judge negative comments, if your so compasionTe, why dont you offer for her to camp in your garden or even on your sofa until housing can magically find somewhere for her.

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        • tryme's comment is rated +21 Vote +1 Vote -1

          31.May.2013 9:18pm

          There’s worse things to be accused of than sounding kind, Whatsin! People expressing concern here seem to have spoiled things for you.

          I don’t know what magic has to do with it. My comments have been about the denigratory assumptions made about this lady.

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      • BRIAN's comment is rated -19 Vote +1 Vote -1

        31.May.2013 11:45pm

        What you are not distinguishing Tryme, is those events which we cannot foresee and catch us unaware and those we know about in advance. For example a death in the family can lead to disorder. On the other hand, you know when your car tax is up and if you don’t sort it and get caught then you only have yourself to blame.

        This lady knew when she had to leave and had plenty of time to sort it.

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        • peaceful_life's comment is rated +21 Vote +1 Vote -1

          1.Jun.2013 12:29am

          Then we need something more acceptable than being offered a tent then, don’t we?

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          • BRIAN's comment is rated -19 Vote +1 Vote -1

            1.Jun.2013 1:04pm

            Agreed peaceful, but if she started the process earlier, when the tent was offered she would have plenty of time to argue the toss and sort it before she moved out

          • Andrew Hudson's comment is rated +6 Vote +1 Vote -1

            3.Jun.2013 3:20pm

            Like someone offering her their spare room pehaps? Talk and argue all you like, but it is the real compassion of practical help that is required. I cannot because I am homeless myself.

        • tryme's comment is rated +14 Vote +1 Vote -1

          1.Jun.2013 1:00am

          Life doesn’t distinguish between the two either, Brian. You have delineated a case in point: the death of someone close can cause such disorder that ability to keep track of practical matters and to cope with them, can be severely disrupted.

          We know nothing of this lady’s personal circs. She may have been making strenuous efforts to find somewhere else to live, well before approachng the council, and there’s many different ways in which this can have proved not to work out.

          I’m just amazed that some people here have conjured up a very clear and denigrating picture of someone they don’t know & about whom they have been given so very litttle info. (Now that’s what I CALL magic, Whatsin!)

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          • derryberry's comment is rated +4 Vote +1 Vote -1

            3.Jun.2013 4:29pm

            Exactly tryme, events in any humans life can be so overwhelming that everyday practicalities become not just an obsticle to be overcome but an insermountable barrier. The notion that this lady found herself in such dire need might not be down to a lack of due diligence on her part. An idea that seems to be lacking in some comments here

    • peaceful_life's comment is rated +10 Vote +1 Vote -1

      31.May.2013 9:43pm

      It would ‘appear’ that you ‘suspect’ quite a lot by the initial self assurance that leads to conflationary meanderings into an incomparable anecdote.

      It matters not, Dawn is entitled to redress, and can, and should serve ‘notice’.

      Just out of interest, did the lad pay the fine?

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  6. peaceful_life's comment is rated +24 Vote +1 Vote -1

    31.May.2013 8:01pm

    Let us be clear about this, the current state of contraction is inequitable, so as things stand we can expect to see a lot more people being squeezed out of the system.
    Bear this in mind when it’s quite possibly you, your family, or friends that find themselves in ‘circumstances’ out of their control, besides…it’s quite simply morally reprehensible to pass judgment on the individual, that’s NOT what’s being highlighted here, it is the complete indifference of the system itself…to the very human beings that created it.
    This time, more than ever, is the time to express compassion and understanding as a community.

    Jack, really isn’t alright, he never has been.

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  7. caulk-ed's comment is rated -7 Vote +1 Vote -1

    31.May.2013 9:24pm

    It’s strange how councils can manage to house thousands of people from other countries and our benefit system supports them!!! When it comes to one of our own, well that’s a different matter. Regardless of the reasons for her situation the council surely could find her somewhere.

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  8. peaceful_life's comment is rated +8 Vote +1 Vote -1

    31.May.2013 11:39pm

    Can I just ask, and I’m asking ALL of the people that read this blog, and yes…that includes the ones usually to timid to speak, or just monitor what’s going on.

    Does this headline seem…’normal’ to you?
    Is there something a bit out of kilter here?
    Is everything ok?….or are we letting our standards slip bit by bit?
    What do you think?

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  9. Chris Ingram's comment not rated yet. Add your vote Vote +1 Vote -1

    1.Jun.2013 9:04am

    We’re getting this pointless sentence with every entry on the email message. Why?

    The post Homeless pensioner told by council officials to buy a tent appeared first on Isle of Wight News from On The Wight.

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    • Sally Perry's comment is rated +3 Vote +1 Vote -1

      1.Jun.2013 9:25am

      Not sure why that sentence has crept back in again to the newsletter. Simon had tinkered with the settings last week and it disappeared, but somehow it seems to have creeped back in again.

      Please feel free to get in touch via email if you spot any other problems as it’s not relevant to the actual discussion on this post.

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  10. Denbo's comment is rated +4 Vote +1 Vote -1

    1.Jun.2013 9:04am

    At the end of the day, David Pughs council allowed our housing associations to be sold off to mainland Spectrum and Southern Housing and now islanders are finding it very difficult biding against mainlanders that are given priority over Islanders…common sense tells you that we are a small populated Island, yet why do we keep screaming that we need all these tens of thousands of new houses….Our new council that have now placed a new section on the IOW Council web site called “Transparency” Well let’s put it to the test then? Show us a list of people’s names that are waiting for a home and that they are Island born and bred.

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    • Bystander's comment is rated +8 Vote +1 Vote -1

      1.Jun.2013 10:36am

      How many generations of ancestors would need to have been born here in order to avoid the discrimination you’re proposing?

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      • Denbo's comment is rated +5 Vote +1 Vote -1

        1.Jun.2013 10:49am

        Please show exactly and point to the spot what I printed that is discrimination?

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        • Bystander's comment is rated +2 Vote +1 Vote -1

          1.Jun.2013 11:37am

          You don’t consider your proposal that people should be named and shamed if they are on the housing list without being born and bred on the Island is in any way discriminatory? Your problem is worse than I thought in that case.

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          • Denbo's comment is rated +1 Vote +1 Vote -1

            1.Jun.2013 2:37pm

            I have just read my post a hundred times to see if I could pinpoint the words “named & shamed if they are on the housing list”?????????
            The idea is to see the “myth” that there is never a list of thousands of Islanders wanting houses, it doesn’t exist. Why did the whole of Ryde town council and 300+ of the public vote NO to Penny feathers and then at the full council @ County hall, One of the Ryde members said yes!, we need more houses…..The answer is! Too many people telling porkies. What we need is the correct number of houses built at the right times for Island people. If you’re from the mainland then look in the estate agents, there are thousands of houses for sale.

          • Bystander's comment not rated yet. Add your vote Vote +1 Vote -1

            1.Jun.2013 3:42pm

            If you don’t like the Island the way it is why not move elsewhere, personally I like it here.

          • Denbo's comment is rated -2 Vote +1 Vote -1

            2.Jun.2013 3:27am

            “If you don’t like the Island the way it is why not move elsewhere, personally I like it here.”

            I was born here mate. Born, bred, and raised in Oakfield and have a massive family still living there. Most of my friends are from the mainland so I have no problem with overners as you might call them, but I do have a problem when the council come out with a load of crap that we are in desperate need of new housing for Island people and then they are sold of to mainland people.

          • Bystander's comment not rated yet. Add your vote Vote +1 Vote -1

            3.Jun.2013 8:16am

            So if most of my friends are from the mainland, what about their children that were born on the Island? Should they too be discriminated against on the housing list?
            I think you will find that the Council are being told by central government the number of houses they need to build and I somehow don’t think the government would agree to your demands for Island housing allocation any more than they would for someone deciding to move from Hampshire to Berkshire for example.

  11. freddiem's comment is rated +4 Vote +1 Vote -1

    1.Jun.2013 11:01am

    Absolutely bl**dy disgusting. Why don’t the council officers try living in a tent. I bet if Ms Martin had been related to a councillor or council official she would have been allocated a home very quickly. As a born and bred Corkhead this sort of thing disgusts me!

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  12. peaceful_life's comment is rated +7 Vote +1 Vote -1

    1.Jun.2013 1:32pm

    @Brian.
    All that suggest is that the system isn’t capable of offering decent remedy if someone has urgent need.
    It doesn’t matter the specifics of the individual, we are not to be judge and jury on that. As a collective we have all partook in perpetuating on overall system that is completely unsustainable, and as such, we’re all going to be needing collective assistance in order to stabilise the situation until we can ready ourselves for transition.

    I suggest the council ‘officers’ use some foresight in pre-empting future needs, if the officers are not aware of the ramifications of contraction, then they have to equip themselves with that information that will allow them to make empathetic decisions regarding well being.

    There is a ‘duty of care’ here.

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  13. kevin Barclay-Jay's comment is rated +5 Vote +1 Vote -1

    1.Jun.2013 4:06pm

    A lot of comments here, but all based on assumption. The story is not complete and we do not have a whole picture to make judgment.

    We do not know for instance, why this person was taken out of housing, either volentary or by order. We do not know the circumstances of why this person was in need of re-housing and wether her circumstances were self inflicted or inflicted upon her.

    We have a case in Sandown of a chap who has featured quite a bit this week in the Media. He’s a well known character called Martin who regulaly passes out in the street and more or less lives on the bench outside the Library. There have been numerous attempts to provide him housing in flats, hostels and respite centres. He sometimes cleans himself up, but always ‘falls of the wagon’. He recently volantarily left a flat he was provided with because it was ‘to big’ and returned to his bench..this week he has taken to urinating in public….from a skewed angle it could be said that the’system’ has failed this man, but ecerything has been tried and failed…what do they do with him now?

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  14. peaceful_life's comment not rated yet. Add your vote Vote +1 Vote -1

    1.Jun.2013 5:50pm

    It’s not an assumption to say Dawn was offered a tent, but that is based on an assumption that the entire article isn’t a fabricated lie.

    Dawn was offered a tent due to ‘eligibility criteria’, the article goes on to say….
    ‘The officers argued that Mrs Martin, who has been camping on cliff paths, was not vulnerable enough’

    Now, there’s no assumption to debate here other than that if there is no discretionary scope within the ‘eligibility criteria’ then it needs adjusted to suite changing societal influences, and the only debateable thing about that is just how obvious do things have to get.

    These are interesting anecdotes on offer, but they’ve nothing to do with what we’re reading here, we are all reading the same thing here I take (assume) it?

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    • Bystander's comment is rated +7 Vote +1 Vote -1

      1.Jun.2013 6:41pm

      It also says “the council have now requested more information from Mrs Martin in the hope of being able to provide costs for B&B accommodation”
      Why, we wonder, did the council make their decision in the first place without ascertaining the relevant information to make the decision. And why has it taken media exposure for them to reevaluate that situation.

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  15. davimel's comment is rated +11 Vote +1 Vote -1

    1.Jun.2013 5:54pm

    WOW, we have some seriously victorian attitudes on the Island! I always like to see those who have calculated their net worth and decided that they will never be in need of either benefits (apart from the pension, child benefit, heating allowance etc), nor social housing nor help of any kind from any offices set up to help those less fortunate than themselves.. How lovely to see some folk so bereft of christianity or simple caring that they feel that they can judge someone based upon a bit of a story without one ounce of knowledge of the ‘real’ life struggles many of us endure each and every day!!!
    There are those in society for whom the expression “I am skint” means that they only have a few hundred in disposable income until the next premium or dividend or salary cheque clears,,, and then there are ‘the others'(pause fro dramatic music). These are folk who would claim being skint when they have absolutely no money at all… not a bean, not a cent! It is these folk who need help, not because they squander, but because a meagre pension doesnt pay all of lifes bills!! Instead of complaining about a detitute pensioner perhaps one could ask just how a person of this age is supposed to save enough money for not only a months rent in advance, but also a months rent as a bond and even agents fees fro finding a property.. ALL of which are a minimum requirement in todays rental market! If you dont have the life experience to relate to todays issues perhaps one should keep out of a discussion that revolves around them!

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    • davimel's comment is rated +3 Vote +1 Vote -1

      1.Jun.2013 6:05pm

      sorry for the spelling mistakes.. for some strange reason my ‘comment box’ stops scrolling after a few lines and after that it’s guess work… still I think I made my point.

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      • Bystander's comment is rated +12 Vote +1 Vote -1

        1.Jun.2013 6:33pm

        You did indeed make your point and I agree. There are far too many people who have been bearing a grudge against anyone on benefits for years, although look deeper and many of them are in fact on tax credits etc themselves, and now feel enabled to put the boot in with the backing of this despicable posh boys government. In the current climate they are not as safe as they think and I sincerely hope they get to discover what the boot feels like when it is on the other foot.

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  16. Mark L Francis's comment is rated +5 Vote +1 Vote -1

    2.Jun.2013 12:53am

    Homelessness Code of Guidance for Local Authorities (2006)

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/7841/152056.pdf

    “Old age
    10.15. Old age alone is not sufficient for the applicant to be deemed vulnerable. However, it may be that as a result of old age the applicant would be less able to fend for him orherself as provided in paragraph 10.13 above. All applications from people aged over60 need to be considered carefully, particularly where the applicant is leaving tiedaccommodation. However, housing authorities should not use 60 (or any other age) as a fixed age beyond which vulnerability occurs automatically (or below which it can beruled out); each case will need to be considered in the light of the individual circumstances.”

    Thing is, that by giving her vouchers for a tent the Council has recognised her vulnerability but has not discharged its duty since a tent is not “accommodation”, especially if pitched on a public footpath.

    Responsibility for housing homeless people was originally enacted by a private members bill from Steve Ross, our Island MP.

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    • Darcy's comment is rated +15 Vote +1 Vote -1

      3.Jun.2013 8:39am

      Just picked up on this as Mrs Darcy and I are fortunate enough to be away on holiday for few days. It’s clear that many of the ‘Daily Mail’ types here are indeed lucky not to have found themselves in this position and have not suffered the distress of depression or vulnerability that this lady may be going through.
      I remember years ago when I and my young family were renting damp unsuitable accommodation (not on the island), our attempts to be housed by the local authority were unsuccessful because we told we were not earning enough to take up council accommodation! So councils can get it wrong and misinterpret rules set up to help.
      Has anyone thought that this lady may well be vulnerable through any number of learning difficulties and is therefore unable to completely put her case succinctly and clearly? We have experience of this in the family, and depression, which can stem from situations such as these, can be a very debilitating and self-absorbing condition.
      Unfortunately, we don’t know enough about this lady’s circumstances so all this thread had done is expose some of our contributors’ worst prejudices.

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  17. Theodor Emanuel's comment is rated -1 Vote +1 Vote -1

    3.Jun.2013 12:08pm

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  18. kai cremata's comment not rated yet. Add your vote Vote +1 Vote -1

    3.Jun.2013 2:29pm

    i know where the isle of wight is on a map, but i have to say there are surprisingly large number of uncharitable comments made regarding this ladies particular plight…you guys are pretty rough…kai cremata

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  19. samuel farmer's comment not rated yet. Add your vote Vote +1 Vote -1

    3.Jun.2013 3:03pm

    remind me to avoid the isle of dont give a sxxte why are the negative people so against her and dont know the full story .i pity you who throw the first stone yet are not without fault ,horrible people in a naf place says me ,in the isl of dont give a sxxte

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  20. t j carr's comment not rated yet. Add your vote Vote +1 Vote -1

    3.Jun.2013 4:22pm

    Should have looked sooner no mention of how long she had been looking as an holiday destination houses could fetch more on a holiday let thus reducing houses to let on a long term arrangement

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  21. Preachy's comment is rated +4 Vote +1 Vote -1

    3.Jun.2013 4:30pm

    It’s not always so easy to organise oneself- especially now, when so many are seeking smaller accommodation due to bedroom taxes. It doesn’t take much for the majority of landlords to refuse you- no job (perhaps from being a pensioner), self employment, no landlord reference (we struggled when we went from owned into rented for that reason). The agencies say that councils will hold out as long as possible so the renter follows that advice then finds they qualify for nothing. It’s the system at fault- forcing people to hold out. Works against renter (who has no idea of their future) and landlord (they will make a landlord foot full costs of eviction before they help someone, even telling someone who moved out when the contract states they should that they should have stayed put). We were lucky- a landlady without a mortgage took a punt on us and here we still are, a decade on. Others are less fortunate, especially I suspect if they live in areas of high summer home rentals. A lot of the problem at root is also down to insurers- doesn’t matter if you have a 25 year rental history that is impeccable, lose your job / get sick / become self employed and you are out, their fine print dictates it. And if the insurers won’t touch you, the Leasing Agent, and often landlord, can’t.

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  22. nik's comment not rated yet. Add your vote Vote +1 Vote -1

    3.Jun.2013 4:33pm

    Disgusted by some of the selfish judgmental comments on here. Can’t even be bothered justifying myself to you or explaining the basics to you as clearly your too thick to get it!

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  23. paulus's comment not rated yet. Add your vote Vote +1 Vote -1

    3.Jun.2013 9:31pm

    Had this lady turned up from another country she would f been given a flat or house.
    We do not know if she worked and what she paid into the system but she should get a flat and help not a tent.
    if some person from anywhere in the world went to the council and was given a tent they would be shouting about human rights

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  24. Poppy Ann's comment is rated +2 Vote +1 Vote -1

    4.Jun.2013 10:48am

    i did not see anywhere where it stated she was asking for benefits, she was just asking for housing, most people in council housing pay their own rent and council tax, what she should have done was register herself on the local housing list as a person who may need housing in the future as soon as she knew that her housing was at risk of being terminated and that way the local council may have been able to help when the time came around.
    i was in a similar position due to living on a boat and due to disability getting on and off the boat was becoming dangerous to me, i registered with the local council telling them my details and that in the future i may need housing so when i did they managed to find me accommodation within a couple of months which i was very happy about. the problem is for most people they do not know how the system works and that they should register as soon as they can even if it is before they need accommodation.

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