People in the public gallery shouting at Conservative Councillors

Isle of Wight Conservatives call for videoing of public gallery at County Hall

Cllr Joe Robertson, Leader of the Conservative Group of Isle of Wight councillors, shares this latest news. In his own words. Ed


The Conservative Group on the Isle of Wight Council is calling for video recording to be introduced in the public gallery at Council meetings.

It follows the scenes at last Wednesday’s Full Council where members of the public started shouting and heckling Councillors during Members Questions.

Brodie: Sit down and “shut up”
Council Chairman, Cllr Geoff Brodie (Ind Lab) told those who were making a noise to sit down and “shut up”. When the noise continued the Chairman adjourned the meeting and ordered the public gallery to be cleared.

The Full Council was meeting to discuss and vote on the budget for 2022/23 along side routine agenda items.

Leader: Harassment over use of glyphosate
Council Leader Lora Peacey-Wilcox (Alliance) delivered her update report at the beginning of the meeting and referred to threats and intimidation of Councillors. She said she knew people had been affected on both sides of the Chamber including recent harassment she had been subject to.

When asked by Conservative Group Leader, Cllr Joe Robertson, if she could give a little more detail about the harassment she was talking about she said it related to the controversial re-introduction of glyophosate in weed killer.

Questions over Golly dolls
The disruption came less than two hours later during Members Questions when Cllr Joe Robertson, Leader of the Conservative Group, began questioning the Leader about the picture she posted on social media showing a display of “Golly” dolls.

When Cllr Peacey-Wilcox said she would not answer whether she had a collection of Golly dolls on display because it did not relate to the agenda or the Council’s policies, the Chairman intervened to say he “disagreed”.

He said the Leader should provide an answer because it related to the Council’s policies and commitment to equality and diversity whereupon several members of the public stood up and started shouting and gesticulating at councillors.

Calls of ‘Tory scum’
Wootton Bridge resident Michael Ward who was in the gallery on Wednesday and said,

“The shouting from the public spoiled things for those of us who were there to watch the debate. There had already been an opportunity for the public to put questions at the beginning of the meeting. One man looked agitated for much of the evening.

“When Cllr Robertson started questioning the Leader about the controversial Golly figures, the man stood up and started shouting at what appeared to be the Council Chairman before redirecting his insults at the Conservative side of the Chamber.

“He was shouting, ‘Tory scum’ and then a woman got up and lent over the railings and started shouting. They appeared to be supporters of Cllr Peacey-Wilcox as they had gathered for press photos for a local newspaper before the meeting started.”

Cllr Ian Ward (Con) added,

“One of the people shouting from the public gallery that I could see was the Council Leader’s husband.”

Robertson: Hecklers appeared to be wanting to deflect from my questioning
Reflecting on the events of Wednesday’s Full Council meeting, Cllr Joe Robertson said,

“I have written to the Chief Executive to ask him to explore options for installing video recording in the public gallery. It only seems fair that if the Councillors are visible then those members of the public who are present should also be visible.

“The way the County Hall chamber is currently laid out, the public gallery is high up and not in reach of the cameras which record the meeting for people watching online.

“It is intimidating for Councillors down on the floor of the chamber when people are standing up above them and shouting, ‘scum’ and other insults.

“The hecklers on Wednesday appeared to be wanting to deflect from my questioning of the Council Leader who had herself spoken about intimidation of people in public office.

“The Council is already clear in the meeting paperwork that the meetings are subject to recording, so attendees should be aware of this and by being in the public gallery are giving their consent to being filmed.

“All we need to do now is put arrangements in place to ensure this occurs effectively and we can then hold to account those who seek to abuse Councillors.”

Public gallery emptied
After the Chairman adjourned the meeting and ordered the public gallery to be closed some of those present refused to leave.

Council staff had to go up to the gallery and took around ten minutes to clear the gallery before the meeting could continue.

Ellis: “I found it very intimidating”
Cllr Suzie Ellis, who questioned the Leader when the meeting resumed, said afterwards,

“I found it very intimidating. From where I sit the public are behind my shoulder and about ten feet up in the air, I would have found it difficult to ask questions with that going on. From my position I could not see who was there or what was happening – I could only hear the shouted insults. 

“Having video recording installed would certainly make us all feel safer.  I feel sorry for the public who were present and had to leave the meeting because of a few people around them who could not behave, it was a frightening and disappointing experience.”

The meeting is available to view online (the link below goes to the start of Members Questions) when the incident occurred).

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neilwheel
28, February 2022 2:35 pm

In an open democracy, public discourse is important, heckling is part of life if you choose to be in the public arena, as a councillor, MP or stand-up comic. The behaviour of the leader of the Conservative group and the Chair was juvenile, petty and provocative. Don’t like people expressing their opinions publicly – don’t go into politics. Fall into gutter politics – expect to be kicked… Read more »

fishflash
28, February 2022 2:52 pm

To think, the IW conservatives sat down, discussed this, then after a whole weekend, wrote and approved this press release.

During this they decided they would say, openly, in public, yes we’d like to have a recording video camera invade the public’s privacy of the public who chose to come along and engage in the democratic process.

Putin would be proud.

iliketrees
Reply to  fishflash
28, February 2022 2:57 pm

Let’s also not forget this has only happened once in recent years.

Perhaps the councillors might be better spending their time reflecting on what actions and behaviour various councillors were carrying out that pushed the public so far that they were compelled to call out.

newman
Reply to  fishflash
28, February 2022 5:01 pm

Well he pays them enough.

Mason Watch
28, February 2022 4:15 pm

Poor little lambs, thank goodness that nice Mr Brodie was there to protect them. The best thing is keep the appalling public as far away as possible from the chamber…… Who knows what might happen next! Questions about the Floating Bridge, what’s good for my horses or frankly anything.

Colin
28, February 2022 6:40 pm

In a democracy there are rules and conventions to follow and I don’t think that contributions from the public gallery are either helpful or allowed during council meetings nor should councillors be subjected to abuse or intimidation from the public gallery whatever the reason. The councillors are all quite capable of hurling their own abuse and intimidation around the chamber and people should be aware that audience… Read more »

Angela Hewitt
1, March 2022 7:51 am

Isn’t contributions from the public gallery part of rules and conventions or are we part of a new gagging order??!
Yes Putin would proud.

Are conservatives the new far-left??

Colin
Reply to  Angela Hewitt
1, March 2022 12:02 pm

@Angela. Public contributions at the correct time, not during debates, otherwise mob rule takes over. If the councillors want to make fools of themselves in the chamber that is their prerogative.

broc
1, March 2022 8:42 am

The incident responsible for the anger shown from the gallery appeared to be arranged between the leader of the Tory’s and the chairman who appeared to be setting up and bullying the Leader of the council. Cameras in the public gallery are not required but investigation is required into the conduct of the leader of the Tory’s and chairman of the meeting which has not only reflected… Read more »

tr2015
Reply to  broc
1, March 2022 9:31 am

Oh for goodness sake. where did this all start, with a Facebook photo, which was allegedly taken down once the owner became aware of the inflammatory background content. This was in November, when she suddenly became ‘unwell’ and when, as we now understand, she had discourse with the Chairman of the Council who drafted a resignation letter for her, and for which she thanked him. Now, months… Read more »

hialtitude
Reply to  tr2015
1, March 2022 10:49 am

Wow, judge jury and executioner, no one as yet knows exactly what has transpired. A police investigation is in progress, when it is complete I am sure answers will be forthcoming. Perhaps you are a little over eager to leap to conclusions. Something is certainly amiss with what has taken place, but to me it smacks of a Tory smear campaign, but let’s not be in a… Read more »

tr2015
Reply to  hialtitude
1, March 2022 1:46 pm

hence my use of the word ‘alleged’ Leaping to conclusions? I would hardly call 3 months ‘leaping’. how can it be a Tory smear campaign? did they take the photo? did they publicise it on Facebook? did they reply to the Chairman after he drafted a resignation email saying ‘Thanks Geoff’. More like our council Leader floundering rather than admit it was her kitchen and she did… Read more »

Snowwolf1
1, March 2022 11:25 am

Perhaps some of the Councillors mentioned need to read the Equality and Diversity policy along with attending a Bully Course. I wish the meetings could be televised to local residents, we would then know what we are getting for our efforts in voting some of them in. For those fortunate to own a computer or smart phone then access via those would be most welcome. Can’t wait… Read more »

Sally Perry
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Reply to  Snowwolf1
1, March 2022 11:52 am

Many (not all) of the IWC meetings are live streamed. You need to open the agenda (meeting agendas can be found here) and under the Media heading click on the words ‘Public Gallery’. This will either go to the YouTube live stream or open the Teams stream (choose to watch in browser if you do not have Team software on your computer). For example, you can watch… Read more »

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