Police drew their batons and used CS gas on Friday night

ASP batonHampshire Police have just issued what they’re labelling ‘an update’ about the disturbance that started in Ryde on Friday night at a party which was promoted on Facebook – It includes the information that they drew their metal batons and used CS gas on those in Church Litten. The following is in their words – Ed.


Police are continuing to investigate the circumstances surrounding a large public disorder on the Isle of Wight at the weekend.

Background and summary
Officers were called to concerns about the behaviour of up to 200 people during a party at an address in the area of Oakfield High Street late on Friday night (February 22, 2013).

A total of more than 30 officers, PCSOs and Special Constables was involved in escorting a large group of people away from Oakfield, through the centre of Ryde to the town’s bus station on the Esplanade so they could leave the area on buses.

Police dealt with anti-social behaviour on a bus between Ryde and Newport before officers resolved further disorder by 2am when some remaining members of the group were dispersed in the Church Litten area of Newport town centre.

Eight people from the Isle of Wight were arrested, aged between 14 and 24. Three of the eight were arrested for assaulting police officers. The officers were not seriously injured and remained on duty. Suspects were questioned at Newport Police Station and later released on bail until March 2013 pending further enquiries. No one has been charged to appear in court at this time.

Comment from the Isle of Wight’s Chief Inspector
Isle of Wight District Chief Inspector Nick Heelan said:
“The actions of this group on Friday night into Saturday morning was utterly reckless and disgraceful. Such behaviour must never be tolerated by the police in a community where crime is low and continues to fall.

“I would like to praise all the officers, police staff and special constables who responded swiftly and effectively to the initial reports of behaviour going out-of-control at a party, which had been advertised earlier on social media.

“We faced challenging circumstances over four hours, but managed to prevent the situation from escalating into more serious violence.

“Police appreciate the support shown so far by the community and all the witnesses who have provided statements to police already. Officers are continuing to work closely with partner agencies and residents to gather further evidence. I would appeal to anyone with information, who hasn’t come forward yet, to contact police.”

Witnesses or anyone with information are asked to contact Newport Police Station by phoning 101. Mini-com users can phone 01962 875000. Information can be given anonymously by phoning the Crimestoppers charity on 0800 555 111.

Police tactics on the night
Chief Inspector Nick Heelan added:
“Officers communicated and negotiated first with the leaders of this group to calm the situation arising from the party. When they appeared unwillingly to co-operate, warnings of further action and the consequences were given clearly.

“Two police dogs and their experienced handlers were deployed to deter and control the group in the Church Litten area. One of our dogs was assaulted by a member of the crowd. Some officers were faced with volatile confrontations when they felt the need to draw their asps and use CS gas in protecting members of the public and themselves from harm.

“I understand and appreciate there will be concern when police use these tactics, but such decisions were not taken lightly. On this occasion, officers had made repeated attempts to resolve the situation amicably first without force.

“We are aware of rumour and speculation on social media about what happened, particularly injuries. I would ask anyone with additional information or concerns about the actions of police on the night to report them directly to Hampshire Constabulary.”

Prevention and reassurance
“Extra police patrols took place across the Isle of Wight on Saturday night to help prevent a repeat of Friday’s events. Officers made visits to parties to ensure people received the message loud and clear that we would be robust in our actions to protect the community from any further disorder.

“I am considering extra patrols again this weekend so the community can have confidence that police are working with them to do all we can to avoid such appalling scenes of the streets of the island again.”

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no.5
25, February 2013 2:52 pm

Had a chat with an ‘old hand’ from SE London last night who was in Ryde, says the Police acted exceptionally well in face of extreme provacation.

Steve the YAK
Reply to  no.5
25, February 2013 3:14 pm

That’s very admirable of the police No.5, but having lived in South East London, and having seen and been intimidated by gangs of teenage mutants, I think that in order to stop it becoming a problem here, the police must act tougher. One of the reasons that I moved to the Isle of Wight was to get away from the hideous place that the suburbs of London… Read more »

Mr Einsteins Ghost
25, February 2013 3:47 pm

I doubt very much this is a sign of “things to come” for the Island. Hopefully, this will prove to be a fairly exceptional one-off event. The way London was getting was one reason I and my partner moved here, where things 10 times worse than this, was a depressingly regular occurrence. That said, the social and cultural back-drop in London is a world away from here.… Read more »

Bystander
25, February 2013 4:41 pm

Well if everyone moved here from London its hardly surprising its becoming more like London really.

Mr Einsteins Ghost
Reply to  Bystander
25, February 2013 6:44 pm

Are you seriously suggesting that ex-london residents moving here has some bearing on this story?

Bystander
Reply to  Mr Einsteins Ghost
25, February 2013 8:08 pm

I come from London too, I guess if people move here from London with their kids they could well influence behaviour but it was just a facetious remark really

Mr Einsteins Ghost
Reply to  Bystander
26, February 2013 2:20 pm

Fair Do’s!

Bystander
25, February 2013 4:54 pm

I bet it was panic stations when this kicked off. It would be very interesting to do a Freedom of Information Request to find out just how many officers were on duty before this started, I wouldn’t imagine it’d be more than a handful for the whole Island.

Cynic
25, February 2013 5:27 pm

The Island really is becoming the “Isle of Whinge!”

A couple of weeks ago, people complained that the police did not take action in a nightclub problem, now people are whinging that police did take action to control a civil disorder problem.

No pleasing some people!

Tidy Turner
Reply to  Cynic
25, February 2013 6:16 pm

CS spray CS incapacitant spray has been used routinely by the British police since its introduction in 1996. It is issued as an item of equipment to police officers for protection and to assist in dealing with violent incidents. A six-month trial by sixteen police forces in England began on the 1 March 1996. On 16 March 1996, a Gambian asylum seeker, Ibrahima Sey, was taken to… Read more »

Gallybagger
Reply to  Tidy Turner
25, February 2013 8:09 pm

Oh no, these poor people. Shame to waste good CS on them. If you don’t like the effect, behave like normal people not complete animals, you got what you deserved.

Don Smith
25, February 2013 7:22 pm

A Gambian asylum seeker? What was he running from? The sunshine, sandy beaches, and the beautiful [Feathered] birds?

He was seeking a wife of convenience mi thinks. No way, did
our social benefits attract the poor chap.

tryme
Reply to  Don Smith
25, February 2013 8:14 pm

Do you not also have a comical slur to give us about Dan Ford, from Wareham in Dorset, Don? Perhaps not, he is more likely to be white, & therefore deserving of compassion, in your books. Your comment is racist, patronising, without foundation, & cruel.

Don Smith
Reply to  tryme
25, February 2013 11:56 pm

tryme’s (nameless)

You suggested that I was referring to a black man. I was of the opinion that the Gambian was yellow and worked in the ‘Bamboo Bar in Serakunda.

tryme
Reply to  Don Smith
26, February 2013 5:54 am

You don’t seem to credit that you are talking about a real person, Don Smith’s, (you seem to favour the possessive ‘s’). It’s frightening to see how people can desensitise themselves to this knowledge, like the Nazis to the Jews & disabled.

Mark L Francis
Reply to  tryme
26, February 2013 10:59 am

In the USA in the 60’s the use of CS fgas in a confined space was a standard way for prison officers to murder Black Panther activists. My professional experience with the the Ilford police is that they were far too stupid to do this on purpose but I also recall the death happened only a week after the introduction of CS spray. Unlike Don I do… Read more »

caulk-ed
25, February 2013 9:33 pm

I wonder how these people that think the police were heavy handed would feel if this happened on their doorstep??

tryme
Reply to  caulk-ed
26, February 2013 6:12 am

…& found there were severely injured people on your doorstep, as described by Tidy Turner, maybe a good friend of yours caught up amongst them, & then realised the Police could have used something else to subdue with less injurious effect, you mean caulk-ed ?

BRIAN
26, February 2013 9:10 am

The fact remains that a certain section of society can’t enjoy themselves without causing trouble to others. What’s the problem? You go to a party,have a few drinks, and go home. Why do they feel the need to get bladdered, argue, fight and need a police presence. As an example take wedding receptions. There you have a large gathering of people all drinking and chatting. At the… Read more »

Cynic
26, February 2013 10:31 am

Wedding parties are usually self-policing, very few are not: trouble breaks out usually fuelled by drink and underlying intra- and inter-family squabbles. At the younger end of society, challenging authority is one of the rites of passage of adolescence- as the parent of any teenager will confirm. Teens need to know just how far they can push authority, societal and familial. At the societal end of the… Read more »

BRIAN
Reply to  Cynic
26, February 2013 10:50 am

The answer lies in your first sentence, Cicero, “fuelled by drink.” They can’t do anything without excess. There’s having a drink and getting bladdered. Additionally they have no intermediate stage to their behaviour. There is no “well I disagree or let’s agree to disagree” it’s the nuclear option immediately. Educated, sophisticated young males have no need to “prove how hard they are”, walking around in vests in… Read more »

Scooby
26, February 2013 10:40 am

I would like to know what actually(!) happened. You see, I read the article as merely the Police’s attempt to justify their actions, but without giving any facts. Thus, my impression is, that some of the Officers were so frightened that they chose to use their weapons on the, mostly children. Or were they just so angry at their misbehaviour, that they felt the need to suppress… Read more »

RJC
26, February 2013 12:20 pm

Not heavy handed at all, self preservation. Kids, teenagers, grown ups, makes no difference if they decide to ‘rat pack’ you. Unless you are armed you don’t stand a chance. It’s a shame they don’t wade in more often then they would be able to command respect from the holigans.
red tick time again. but I can live with it.

Cynic
26, February 2013 2:25 pm

There were probably relatively very few fully warranted police officers with batons and CS gas facing the mob. PCSOs and Specials are usually not so armed. If an officer believes that him/herself or a colleague (warranted officer, PCSO or Special) is likely to get injured then he/she will take action as necessary to get control of the situation. Thus it is not unreasonable that the relatively few… Read more »

Tidy Turner
Reply to  Cynic
26, February 2013 6:11 pm

I don’t think it is an issue of heavy handed handling. It is also not a question whether or not the situation has to be policed. I would suspect that in many cases a few police are faced with a mob. These issues have been dealt with in the past when the police have done their jobs without the use of CS gas. In this case a… Read more »

Cynic
Reply to  Tidy Turner
26, February 2013 6:45 pm

Less budget = less front-line police. Hants & IoW fully trained and warranted officers has fallen from 3830 (2009) to 3516(2012) Each political placeman(aka Police and Crime Commissioner) reduces the number of front-line people by a further 5-10 officers. Over the last two years £36 million has been cut from the budget and there is a further £55 million budget cut planned for 2013=2015. Watch out for… Read more »

tryme
26, February 2013 7:06 pm

Thank goodness those of us who have been victims of crime don’t decide the penalties, judging from some responses here. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth? That’s just what this society needs, more violence! We can all see how that improves things & turns people’s lives around, (not)….

Cynic
Reply to  tryme
26, February 2013 7:13 pm

@tryme The way things are going it is not impossible that vigilantism will resurrect its head if continued budget cuts and ineffective private security mean that controlled policing of society gets weakened.

If so, victims and their supporters will indeed decide the punishments for wrongdoers- often picking the wrong people to punish.

Bystander
Reply to  Cynic
26, February 2013 10:40 pm

The government continually diminishing the resources for adequate policing are courting Easter Island Syndrome though, as the police are also the protectors of the soft bellied politicians from the wrath of the proletariat (us plebs)

Gallybagger
Reply to  tryme
27, February 2013 1:13 pm

I’ve never read such lunatic hogwash. Perhaps if a child of yours had been beaten to a pulp and left brain damaged by a drunken mob allowed to run riot you would would be quite delighted that the perpetrator got 50 hours community service. Personally, and I feel I can speak for the majority of decent people, I would be quite happy to decide their penalty. It… Read more »

Bystander
Reply to  Gallybagger
27, February 2013 1:27 pm

You are ranting, and you speak only for yourself, not for the majority of decent people.

Gallybagger
Reply to  Bystander
27, February 2013 2:44 pm

Get a grip. It’s not a rant, I’m just totally fed up with the PC brigade dictating to me what I can and cannot say. There is no such thing as freedom of speech these days as anyone who diverts from the warped ideals of a minority is instantly castigated. In this instance the Police were wholly justified in their actions for fear of their own safety… Read more »

tryme
Reply to  Gallybagger
27, February 2013 10:09 pm

It’s not a rant, you mean you’re always like this?!

I’ve had another look through the comments, & no, noone’s doing any condoning, Gallybagger. You’re not listening straight, & I’m just glad you are not free to administer the sort of vengeful, indiscriminate ‘justice’` you seem to think we all need…

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