Some of the independents:

Independent councillors will abolish the ‘dictatorial’ decision-making system

This in from Island Independents, in their own words. Ed


Inspirational Framework for Change Launched Today!

Island Independents today released the final pre-election version of their “Framework for Change”. They propose to abolish the dictatorial system that governs the Isle of Wight Council today and put in its place a more inclusive consensus based model that will enable every Ward to be properly represented in the construction of policy and in the making of decisions that affect every one of us.

Island Independent Coordinator Ian Stephens said:

“This sets us apart from the limited view of the Party Political candidates who follow the manifestos of their national Parties. This document shows that we have thought innovatively and creatively about the issues we face and that we are taking a more holistic approach to improving the Island.”

He went on to say:

“This is our defining moment. It is the culmination of our shared journey that proves we have very real and achievable ideas. It demonstrates our connection with grass-roots people, with fresh ideas about alternative ways of doing things more efficiently and effectively. We have pooled our experience, our knowledge and ideas to create a document that is rich and diverse.”

New focus on self-sustainability initiatives
Besides introducing a whole new way of deciding policy and decision making, there are twenty pages of proposals, which include regeneration of the Islands economy and a new focus on self-sustainability initiatives: Transition; the use of council land for innovative community led food production projects and revisiting the feasibility of an Island abattoir.

As you would expect the main statutory services that have been badly affected by the Conservative cuts will be the main priorities for the immediate attention of an Independent administration, with practical help for schools in raising standards and a restoration of Children’s Services management from Hampshire as soon as possible. Toilets, lifeguards and tourism are also headlined.

No plans to raise Council Tax
There are no Council Tax rises planned and these would be limited to inflation in future. Ian Stephens said:

“It is a sad fact that the last four years have not been about money but Party Political dogma. Whilst we recognise there are huge challenges ahead, we are confidant that the Island Independents have different priorities and the energy, skills and experience to deliver a better future for the Island. We strongly believe that by putting People before Politics we can harness the support and commitment necessary to open a new dynamic chapter for the Isle of Wight.”

The full version of the “Framework for Change” is embedded below for your convenience. Click on the full screen icon to see larger version.


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playingthenumbers
26, April 2013 9:23 am

I’d vote for that.

peaceful_life
Reply to  playingthenumbers
26, April 2013 3:51 pm

Including the eco-island thing?

wightywight
Reply to  peaceful_life
26, April 2013 4:05 pm

It’s a turn of phrase, surely? *We* won’t get any opportunity to vote for it …it’s just a framework type document with some plans and wishes. And even if we were to be asked to vote for it…you would either vote for or against….there’s no facility to dissect the parts you do, or do not, like! If a fraction of it gets put into practice or policy… Read more »

peaceful_life
Reply to  wightywight
26, April 2013 4:31 pm

Far from a turn of phrase, *its* (EI) a very real entity.The rest of it is good stuff.
Sure…we’re a very long way form where we need to be hence why most of it needs put into practice.

wightywight
Reply to  peaceful_life
26, April 2013 5:01 pm

????

“I’d vote for that” …not a turn of phrase?

C’mon….

See my post above… you don’t get to *vote* for EI or any other portion of the document… Yes, it does seem a good overall document…would be good if it were put into practice in any meaningful way..

ww

playingthenumbers
Reply to  playingthenumbers
1, May 2013 10:57 am

I’d vote for that, because equity is the root of SOCIAL & economic growth, and thus equality. Notice I emphasized social, because that is what politics is all about. Staring or glaring at the world through an economic prism as is so often the want of the acceptable-face-of-authoritarianism parties to the right, (Tory/Ukip) somewhat misses the point. Around the world the old consensuses are falling, scores are… Read more »

Michael G
26, April 2013 9:54 am

A very common sense approach to local government. At last! You get my vote for sure.

tryme
26, April 2013 10:01 am

I like the cut of your jib!

Bystander
26, April 2013 10:19 am

Good luck to them, they are going to need it if they are elected as they will then be faced with the other half of the problem. Namely the dead loss, gold plated Directors and Council officers who we are stuck with no matter who we vote for.

peaceful_life
Reply to  Bystander
26, April 2013 10:31 am

For that you have the law.

Bystander
Reply to  peaceful_life
26, April 2013 10:45 am

Well lets just hope they hurry up and arrest them, if they’re not too busy with traffic surveys

peaceful_life
26, April 2013 5:23 pm

@WW.

Crossed wires on the turn of phrase thing, my bad. Apologies for that.

Chris Welsford
26, April 2013 6:42 pm

I was canvassing today. Turns out the Conservatives are telling people that they are Independent Conservatives, allowed to say what they please and vote however they want. That’s not the impression I have got from four years of representing Ventnor at the Isle of Wight Council. I have spoken on every occasion and my vote has been for the people of Ventnor not some previously agreed party… Read more »

Chris Welsford
Reply to  Chris Welsford
26, April 2013 6:45 pm

I should add – promoted by Chris Welsford Tudor Meade,
Newport Road, Niton, Ventnor, Isle of Wight, PO38 2DF ! Really?!?

phil jordan
Reply to  Chris Welsford
26, April 2013 7:40 pm

OMG chris…… So now we have conservatives with a small ‘c’ who are actually Independent of the party line and creating an Island worth living on, where schools prosper, services triumph and assets remain in public hands. What happened to the Cabinet and the delegated decisions…..oh, and 4 years of 24 votes in block for every motion passed in front of Council for rubber stamping…! At least… Read more »

Cynic
Reply to  Chris Welsford
26, April 2013 8:34 pm

@CW “Turns out the Conservatives are telling people that they are Independent Conservatives, allowed to say what they please and vote however they want.”

…. presumably as long as it agrees with what the Cabinet wants?

Surely, they have not been instructed to say that have they? Heaven forfend! :-))

Cynic
Reply to  Cynic
27, April 2013 10:05 am

Perhaps the down-arrower could tell me how many times in the last four years have Conservative councillors demonstrated their reputed “independence” by voting against the wishes of the Cabinet and Conservative Party diktats from Central Office?

(I am not holding my breath waiting for a reply! )

steve s
26, April 2013 6:56 pm

I’ve been canvassing too. In Lowtherville. Mr. Blackmore will be pleased to know that I didn’t need to mention wind turbines once. Partly because I’m not interested in what he’s doing and partly because the biggest enemy to all candidates except the tories is voter apathy. Please folks, tell all your friends, the only way we get change is if we vote for it!

Chris Welsford
Reply to  steve s
26, April 2013 10:34 pm

I was with Steve up in Lowtherville today. We had fun and the people were excited about having an Independent Councillor. Sorry Stewart!

But we like your poster – brightened up the bus shelter:

http://www.independent-island.org.uk/gfx/cunning.jpg

It was you wasn’t it?

Stewart Blackmore
26, April 2013 8:38 pm

Mr Blackmore, eh? Thanks Steve. We must have missed each other in Lowtherville today, my loss I suppose. The fact remains that the Town Council, which you Chair until 2nd May, is on the record as supporting the golf club’s wind turbine project. You will, of course, be aware that the golf club withdrew its planning application for the project some time ago. All this is a… Read more »

tryme
Reply to  Stewart Blackmore
26, April 2013 9:02 pm

At least this means the end of the two of you bickering here, and which I’ve not been enjoying very much.

steve s
Reply to  Stewart Blackmore
26, April 2013 10:11 pm

Hooray! ;-)

All the best with your campaign, Stewart.

lindyven
26, April 2013 11:42 pm

I really want to make an informed decision on May 2nd and already have my opinions, but where are the Labour and Tory candidates in this debate? Where are Ed Gouge and Tony Marvin? Have I missed their contribution to the online debate or do they concentrate on door knocking?

no.5
Reply to  lindyven
27, April 2013 12:41 am

How are they going to make this happen with the number of candidates they have standing…they won’t have a majority

steve s
Reply to  lindyven
27, April 2013 7:11 am

Chris is the only Ventnor East candidate that comes here, Lindyven (as far as we can tell!) Unfortunately the others didn’t turn up for the hustings, either, so you’re relying on their campaign literature and a possible doorstep visit.

Please choose wisely.

tryme
Reply to  steve s
27, April 2013 11:08 am

You remind me of how DP was over-egging the value of doorstepping, (forgive the obviousness, dear reader): people want to be able to go out and carry on with their lives, not wait in on the off chance; not everyone wants to take on a politician one to one; not everyone wants to or can stand around on their doorstep, nor wants to invite them in and… Read more »

Chris Welsford
Reply to  tryme
27, April 2013 11:00 pm

@Tryme – I just read your post and said to my wife – who’s DP? Oooops….

I’m clearly having one of those evenings – sorry Bembridge!

Great day canvassing in Ventnor East though. Dog tried to eat my voters register but apart from that most people were really lovely…I represent a really fab place :)

tryme
Reply to  Chris Welsford
27, April 2013 11:08 pm

Let’s hope in a few days’ time we’ll ALL be saying “Who’s DP?” !

The dog ate my register? We’ve all heard that one….

hussar
Reply to  lindyven
27, April 2013 5:38 pm

Gone into hibernation? Or down the funk hole?

steephilljack
Reply to  lindyven
27, April 2013 8:38 pm

No, they don’t concentrate on door knocking, they rely on you voting for their PARTY, just like UKIP do. What more do you need to know ?
Has anyone been visited by Graham Perks ?!

no.5
27, April 2013 1:00 am

if you go to the Councils party manifesto page here

http://www.iwcp.co.uk/local-elections-2013.aspx

you will see a well positioned add for the Tories on the right

no.5
Reply to  no.5
27, April 2013 1:02 am

sorry CP’s manifesto page

Chris Welsford
Reply to  no.5
27, April 2013 7:30 am

Hey Stewart and No5 / Kevin – you do realise that after the election the Cons (if they lose) will be trawling the pages looking for imprints against our comments?

no.5
Reply to  Chris Welsford
27, April 2013 4:36 pm

They would have to prove that any statement was an incitement to vote for me….and I have purposely not done so
…I am completely free to suggest people not vote for someone

Kevin Barclay-Jay
Reply to  no.5
27, April 2013 4:40 pm

I am the only real option for election in Sandown North…we have Raj Patel (Tory) Bob Blezzard (ex Labour, ex LibDem Independent (ish) A paper Candidate for UKIP and Chris Dupre with no party listed. All the above are on Sandown Town Council who have let us down so badly in recent years posted on behalf of Kevin Barclay-Jay, promoted by Tony McCarthy c/o Labour Hall, Star… Read more »

phil jordan
Reply to  no.5
27, April 2013 4:54 pm

No 5: The electoral commission have a slightly different view, kevin. To be sure about this, anything you publish should have the “promoted by” stuff on it. As should your website and/or Fb account. [if it’s printed matter it also has to have “printed by: etc on it] It seems we are all deemed ‘candidates’ between the dates of nomination and election and what we say is… Read more »

kevin Barcla-Jay
Reply to  no.5
27, April 2013 5:11 pm

for sure, if there is a way to attack victorius candidates, the tories will find it

posted on behalf of Kevin Barclay-Jay, promoted by Tony McCarthy c/o Labour Hall, Star Street, Ryde

Bystander
Reply to  no.5
28, April 2013 9:59 am

What you are seeing is ads tailored specifically to you no.5 based on your browsing history. Perhaps google see you as a closet Tory?

Cynic
Reply to  no.5
27, April 2013 5:44 pm

@No. 5 “If you go to the Councils party manifesto page here”

You were right first time No.5! :-))

Chris Welsford
27, April 2013 7:18 am

39 Wards
33 Independents (25 signed up to the Bell Principles)
19 Labour
29 UKIP
39 Cons
20 = Majority

Robbo
Reply to  Chris Welsford
27, April 2013 3:35 pm

Interesting Chris that you made no mention of the practically defunct Isle of Wight Liberal Democrats! Or is that because you have at least 6 of them hiding on your ‘independent’ slate’ until the country forgives them for facilitating the worst UK government in 70 plus years?

tryme
Reply to  Robbo
27, April 2013 3:42 pm

I expect Chris is busy just now, (just guessin’…), but I daresay the answer will have someting to do with the balance of power at the time, and – shock horror! – some people are able to recognise when they can no longer subscribe to a particular (or in this case, any), political party. Now that’s a ‘good’ thing in my books, when people don’t feel bound… Read more »

Chris Welsford
Reply to  Robbo
28, April 2013 10:25 am

@Robbo – there’s not much to say that has not already been said about this. People change. Their attitudes change. Perhaps most importantly being an Independent does not mean that you don’t have political beliefs. It means you put those aside in the interests of the people who you represent and who may not necessarily always agree with you. It also means you can legitimately take the… Read more »

Robbo
Reply to  Chris Welsford
27, April 2013 3:47 pm

Actually:
40 wards
for which there are:
40 Tory candidates
29 Ukip
25 Bell/Lib Dem Independents
19 Labour
10 other ‘independents’ (inc. 1 de-selected Tory, 2 former Tories, 1 former Lib Dem Council leader, 3 other former Lib Dems and 1 BNP)
7 IoW Lib Dems
1 Green
1 TUSC

Number required for a majority = 21

Chris Welsford
Reply to  Robbo
27, April 2013 9:26 pm

I should have said there are 39 wards…one of them a double. So 39 wards = 40 seats. We need to secure 20 wards including St Helens and Brading for a majority, or 21 seats. Got you going there :) Still only 19 Labour candidates though, so no chance of a Labour majority – does that means a vote for Labour is a wasted vote? No of… Read more »

Darcy
Reply to  Chris Welsford
27, April 2013 10:24 pm

Don’t forget the ward includes Bembridge which you failed to mention … where most of your voters are likely to be. It definitely looks like a five-horse race here. (2 Tories, 2 Indies and one UKIP).

Adi w
Reply to  Chris Welsford
27, April 2013 10:03 pm

at least 5 of the other independents wont join the group

Chris Welsford
Reply to  Adi w
28, April 2013 10:36 am

They are not compelled to. If someone does not want to sign up to the Bell Principles there’s no point in forcing them (not that we could!). Candidates who stand as Independents, who do not agree to act in accordance with the Bell principles of Independence, are not independent. There is no guarantee they won’t simply join a political party once elected. For them the label “Independent”… Read more »

Bystander
Reply to  Chris Welsford
28, April 2013 6:11 pm

@Chris Welsford “For them the label “Independent” is simply a flag of convenience”

Am I right in thinking that only one candidate can stand as an ‘Island Independent’ in a given ward? If so that sounds more like a flag of inconvenience to me.

Chris Welsford
27, April 2013 7:19 am

No Chance of a Labour majority then Kevin and Stewart?

Kevin Barclay-Jay
Reply to  Chris Welsford
27, April 2013 4:47 pm

Your party may well need us Chris… :)

of course Labour will have some councillors…you, on the other hand will have only one because you are not a party, just 25 individual councillors..so you have no hope of a majority

phil jordan
Reply to  Kevin Barclay-Jay
27, April 2013 5:04 pm

;0) Kevin, we are not a party..on that you are correct. But we are a group. A group of Independents ….not, I hasten to add, an Independent Group…that is something different. We have already demonstrated already how *we* can work together for the benefit of the Island…9 candidates in County Hall for the past 4 years have not been sitting on their hands or squabbling amongst themselves…..even… Read more »

tryme
Reply to  Kevin Barclay-Jay
27, April 2013 7:29 pm

How revealing that KBJ writes dismissively of ” just 25 individual councillors”. Does that show any respect at all for the people those 25 would be democratically representing? So, if they don’t belong to a Party, the cllrs are worthless? Extraordinary!

Chris Welsford
Reply to  Kevin Barclay-Jay
28, April 2013 10:54 am

@KBJ – the possibility of coalition is not without precedent Kevin and for the last four years for the most part, we have sat relatively comfortably with Geoff Lumley and the LibDems too in mostly solid opposition. But the way you describe the Independent Group appears surprisingly ignorant, given your insight and working relationship with Geoff. But that’s because you are electioneering and good luck to you.… Read more »

Chris Welsford
27, April 2013 7:27 am

For control of the Council, it’s a three horse race between Cons, Indies and UKIP. In my view that could explain why the CP appear to be so keen to damage the chances of UKIP and the Indies, as they are the most likely to take votes from the Cons. Note the front page and then the Coastal Protection article with my picture looking like I may… Read more »

Chris Welsford
Reply to  Chris Welsford
27, April 2013 7:28 am

Here we go again – promoted by Chris Welsford Tudor Meade,
Newport Road, Niton, Ventnor, Isle of Wight, PO38 2DF

Kevin Barclay-Jay
Reply to  Chris Welsford
27, April 2013 4:48 pm

no its not its a two horese race between UKIP and Cons…the independents are all INDEPENDENTS

Jonathan Bacon
Reply to  Kevin Barclay-Jay
27, April 2013 10:39 pm

So if the outcome is 25 Independents, 6 Conservative, 5 UKIP and 4 Labour who wins?

Robbo
Reply to  Jonathan Bacon
28, April 2013 9:34 am

In your dreams! No more than 15/17 ‘Bell Independents’ will win, with the Lib Dems, Labour and Ukip winning enough to hold the balance of power.

However, that would mean that the independents ‘win’ provided they form a disciplined group – like the political parties will. If they act disparately then no one wins.

steve s
27, April 2013 7:42 am

I’d like to offer an imprint that covers all of my comments here during this election build-up: Promoted by Steve Stubbings, Oldfield, St Boniface Road, Ventnor, Isle of Wight PO38 1PL. Now, on to the really important stuff. I’d like to put out a very serious appeal to the politically engaged on this blog (most of you, I’d guess) PLEASE encourage your friends and neighbours to use… Read more »

hussar
Reply to  steve s
27, April 2013 5:47 pm

Have already managed to convince enough in the Osborne/Whippingham ward who voted tory last time and have promised to vote independent this time,to overturn fast Eddys previos majority (16) by a significant margin.

downwind resident
Reply to  hussar
28, April 2013 8:34 am

Well done Hussar!

Julia Hill has fought long and hard against Eurovia’s planning application for its asphalt plant on the banks of the Medina.

She deserves to be elected!

Julia Hill
Reply to  hussar
28, April 2013 1:46 pm

Thank you for your support Hussar (I wish I knew who you are). The important part is to beat voter apathy and get people out on the day. Please offer to take a friend, neighbour or family member with you to the polling station on the day, and ask your friends to do the same, it could make all the difference.

Julia Hill
Reply to  Julia Hill
28, April 2013 1:47 pm

oops: Promoted by Julia Hill 5 The Dell, Osborne Heights, East Cowes, PO326FH.

davimel
27, April 2013 3:48 pm

Up to now I have had 2 potentials knock on my door,, The first was a Conservative (a certain Mrs ‘S’) who claimed that her record speaks for itself, yet when I pointed out to her that I had nothing whatsoever to say to her because of her actions, she looked almost shocked that a pleb had dared criticise her and walked off. Then this morning I… Read more »

tryme
Reply to  davimel
27, April 2013 3:52 pm

Hoorah, well said davimel! I’m so hoping to see that difference in attitude permeating through County Hall and the Island generally.

steve s
Reply to  davimel
27, April 2013 6:25 pm

@Davimel
Any canvasser will tell you that it can sometimes be a bit dispiriting.
THIS is what makes the whole thing so worthwhile.
To work to better the lives of folks like you would be a privilege.

Thank you very much indeed!
steve

steephilljack
Reply to  davimel
27, April 2013 8:30 pm

I have not yet been visited by Mrs. Scoccia, perhaps because she knows where I live and that’s because I send her e-mails asking questions that she does not want to answer.
Does she have a leaflet for Ventnor folk or does she rely on that Con (sic) election newsletter that came with the CP?

davimel
Reply to  steephilljack
27, April 2013 8:58 pm

I didnt give the ‘poor’ lady a chance to get a leaflet out but I suspect it was a personalised pre-printed leaflet composed of the usual Conservative office bunkum on keeping the proletareat quiet! I dont have the facilities for removal of contaminated items so couldn’t have accepted one if she had offered!

Mike
Reply to  davimel
28, April 2013 8:34 am

If your indpendent You are right, D, about your independent candidate having our towns interests at heart.I shall be voting for his counterpart in Ventnor East. Party politics has no place in local government especially here on the Island. The Tories are full of self interest,Labour are not the Labour I know just a pale shade of blue,Lib Dem. bandwagon jumpers and UKIP so far right they… Read more »

Jonathan Bacon
27, April 2013 3:54 pm

Following Steve’s comment, I do think apatahy is going to have an influence in most areas. In which case can I offer this quote (paraphrased from George Jean Nathan) which I suggest that anyone interested in democracy on the Island employs over the next few days:

‘BAD COUNCILLORS ARE ELECTED BY GOOD RESIDENTS WHO DON’T VOTE’

(imprint and all necessary legal hokum at:www.facebook.com/pages/Jonathan-Bacon-for-Bembridge-Brading-and-St-Helens).

Jonathan Bacon
Reply to  Jonathan Bacon
27, April 2013 3:56 pm

Whoops, I mean ‘apathy’.

Adi w
Reply to  Jonathan Bacon
27, April 2013 11:34 pm

i cant stand all this fighting may be the people of bembridge should vote him out Jonathan Bacon’s

woodworker
Reply to  Jonathan Bacon
28, April 2013 2:10 pm

Apathy is hard to avoid when the candidates are Tory, UKIP and Geoff Clynch…

The other parties and independants must contest all seats if they wish to overturn the tory majority.

Adi w
27, April 2013 10:01 pm

if you have a look at all the ukip imprint are all wrong

Craig from Bembridge
29, April 2013 8:17 am

This is great news and a very welcome change to the way things work. I’ve been encouraging everyone I know to get out and vote on Thursday.

Fingers crossed we see change on Friday.

steve s
Reply to  Craig from Bembridge
29, April 2013 8:25 am

Thank you Craig! That’s EXACTLY what we need. Encouraging our friends and neighbours to get out and vote.

Mary
Reply to  steve s
29, April 2013 8:36 am

Looks like the weather should be dry as well – no excuse to not get out and vote!

Jonathan Bacon
Reply to  Craig from Bembridge
29, April 2013 9:25 am

Thank you Craig. Apathy is one of the biggest enemies of democracy. As I posted on Saturday ‘BAD COUNCILLORS ARE ELECTED BY GOOD RESIDENTS WHO DON’T VOTE’(adapted from a quote by George Jean Nathan).

(imprint etc. at:www.facebook.com/pages/Jonathan-Bacon-for-Bembridge-Brading-and-St-Helens).

Robbo
30, April 2013 3:36 pm

An attempt to secure an answer to a question I am hearing regularly: Can one of the ‘Bell Independent’ candidates tell us what they will do as a group should there be a hung council next Friday and the Tories approach them for a coalition administration? Given the Tories will probably still be the largest group, but in a minority, will some of the Independents of a… Read more »

Jonathan Bacon
Reply to  Robbo
30, April 2013 3:53 pm

Personally I could not work with the current Conservative leadership and I think they would have to have some gall if they were to approach me. I can work with those candidates who are representing their residents and who are not signed up to party rules that might prevent that. Although I would prefer to be cautious, I don’t think it can be said that it is… Read more »

Chris Welsford
30, April 2013 4:43 pm

In the event of a hung council we would have to consider the available options. Like Jonathan, I could not be part of an initial coalition that included Conservative Councillors. But you need to read the Framework for Change to understand what Island Independents intend in the longer term. If Cons have the largest group but need support to maintain a majority we would look to make… Read more »

Robbo
Reply to  Chris Welsford
30, April 2013 5:09 pm

Thanks to Chris and Jonathan for their full and honest – though unsurprising – replies. But what about the other 23 ? Get on the record now.

Chris Welsford
30, April 2013 5:21 pm

Not sure what else you’d think we would say?

Hopefully everyone else is out there, making sure they get elected so we don’t have to worry about coalitions!

Robbo
Reply to  Chris Welsford
30, April 2013 7:02 pm

Precisely. Its some of the others lurking in your group that worry me. Such as all those Lib Dems. Don’t they like coalitions with Tories?

davimel
30, April 2013 5:22 pm

Can I just say that this talk of support and/or alliances is NOT the reason most of us have chosen the ‘Independent’ route. As TRUE independents you should be supporting those matters that affect your particular area or that improve the Islands lot. ANYONE who decides to take the side of the ruling party to bolster a majority is not acting in the interests of the Island… Read more »

Bystander
28, September 2013 12:08 pm

Not much mention of aspirational here, they sure had me fooled with their committee talk.

Perhaps the Framework For Change (FFC) could have been more aptly called the ‘Framework For Speculation (FFS)’ especially when considering the Internet abbreviation which shares that acronym