Call For Alliance Of Independent Councillors

VB reader Dave Quigley shares his dissatisfaction with the current council administration and puts a call out to other readers to start an Alliance of Independent councillors. Ed

Ballot boxesI wish to appeal to those who, like myself, are sick and tired of County Hall being run by Councillors who have their first allegiance mainstream political parties and who do not represent the wishes of the vast majority of their electorate.

We have two years before our next Council, and now is the time to get moving.

I propose an alliance of Independent candidates
I wish to propose that we set up an Alliance of Independent candidates with the aim of taking county hall out of the hands of the incumbents who are hell bent of the complete butchery of our public services.

I am almost 70 and am partially disabled so do not feel that I could stand, however I can offer my time, energy and my fairly powerful computer system to help organise things. We do not have to achieve a huge target as many of the ruling group of councillors do not have huge majorities.

I would be happy to hear from anyone who would either like to stand or would be prepared to help, or who has further ideas. It would also be very helpful to hear the views of as many as possible of our current ten independent councillors as we would wish to ensure your continued occupation of your seats on the council.Please help to stop the wholesale destruction of our Island way of life.

If you’d liketo get in touch with Dave hjis email address is: djqhda@yahoo.co.uk

Image: Keith Bacongco under CC BY 2.0

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John
31, January 2011 4:55 pm

I totally agree with you Keith, i shall be standing when the time comes as an Independant for that very reason! The people in power at the moment do follow the line of the group which anyone who goes to council meetings or watches them will see for themselves, despite what their local residents are telling them!! To make things work for the people and be a… Read more »

Don Smith
Reply to  John
31, January 2011 7:29 pm

The trouble is that far too many independents stand – We all know that the three party systems are bred into us. I would like a candidate to be selected by the people of the IoW, not someone selected by central Tory Office – The Lib/Dem Members or the Trade Unions. We have a Government of professional politicians, most ex-public school boys. Far too many just stand… Read more »

Pete
Reply to  John
1, February 2011 8:43 am

And you dont think the independents join forces as an independent party?? There is no such thing as independence, more than two is a group and as such becomes a party in real terms!!!
Think on….

Don Smith
Reply to  Pete
1, February 2011 12:20 pm

Surely it should not be difficult to organise just one independent to stand and cut out all the also rans.

Jonnyhotrod
Reply to  Pete
1, February 2011 1:21 pm

You sound like you’re being pedantic. I thought it was fairly clear that by independent he was referring to independence from the main parties.

Good idea, DQ. I don’t live on the island anymore but I take a lot of interest in what happens. I’d like to be involved if possible. Co-ordination is key, of course.

Bluey
31, January 2011 5:28 pm

Would these independent councillors all agree to vote the same way, just like another party (say, conservatives)or would they all vote differently and be just as ineffective as at present?

Sponge
Reply to  Bluey
31, January 2011 5:38 pm

What’s wrong with discussion? OK, it might take a bit more talking, but at least it will be for the good of the majority on the Island. Nothing wrong with getting to a concensus, as long as everyone has their chance.

patrick joyce
Reply to  Bluey
31, January 2011 7:01 pm

No the Independents would not block vote like the present political ruling group

Each member should vote in the interest of the ward he or she represents, this is not ineffective as you say its called democracy and listening to the people of the IOW, what I thought we were elected for

docile denny
Reply to  patrick joyce
31, January 2011 7:22 pm

Well said Patrick.

Haulage Bob
Reply to  patrick joyce
31, January 2011 8:58 pm

Sensible Patrick, far too sensible. Is that why you are no longer a conservative?

Jonnyhotrod
Reply to  patrick joyce
1, February 2011 5:05 pm

As long as everyone in that ward agrees…

Pete
Reply to  Bluey
1, February 2011 8:46 am

Yes of course they would, and do..

Pete
Reply to  Pete
1, February 2011 8:50 am

Secondly Patrick, who determines whats right or wrong for their ward? You alsways get a split viewpoint in any ward, look at election time, its not always easy to get the “right” view for a ward as a Councillor, however its true some are very lazy, or just in this for their owns ends, thats the crime!

Dave Q
Reply to  Bluey
1, February 2011 9:44 am

No, my intention is try and pool ideas and to create a viable and totally independant council in which each councillor would do what he/she has been elected to do- REPRESENT HIS/HER ELECTORATES’ WISHES. The purpose of my alliance would have achieved its aim and it would then be up to the independant councillors to represent their own ward in their own way.

Steve & Jane
31, January 2011 6:08 pm

This proposal certainly has our support, and probably has a good chance of success; our experience of elections is that councils & governments are voted out, not in, and that a new group here would find it difficult to do a worse job than the previous elected dictatorships responsible for so much harm. Many of us wish to appoint political servants with the sense to take the… Read more »

Shelley
Reply to  Steve & Jane
31, January 2011 6:16 pm

The conservatives that do not agree with the cuts will not vote against them though, they cannot be seen to against their party, so they will take the cowards way out and abstain, which is no good to the people of the Isle of Wight as Pugh & Co will still get through these austere cuts. The wobblers need to be brave and vote against bit I… Read more »

no.5
Reply to  Shelley
31, January 2011 6:24 pm

the closer the number of alternative party members (alternative to Tory) the MORE likely Conservative councillors are to tow the line… at the moment one or two could throw in a ‘no’ vote to show the system isn’t fixed and still have the Tories pass the vote. If the split gets closer to 50:50 the less chance there is of a rebellion. The only hope for change… Read more »

hazel wyld
Reply to  no.5
31, January 2011 8:21 pm

I have seriously thought of standing as an Independant myself as I would like to vote with my conscience and not with any party line..trouble is I doubt my ability to get in!!!

Haulage Bob
Reply to  hazel wyld
31, January 2011 8:56 pm

Anyone with a bit of fire in their belly can get in Hazel. I reckon you have plenty of that. Go for it love.

Bill Lucas
Reply to  Shelley
1, February 2011 1:14 am

Voting for or against anything is not an issue with some Councillors. Looking at the attendance of some Councillors of all parties makes me wonder why they bother or is it just for the money. One bright spark only goes every six months, that works out at a lot of money per visit to county hall.

Pete
Reply to  Bill Lucas
1, February 2011 8:53 am

Thats true enough, they should be made to attend unless ill.

gordon bennett
Reply to  Bill Lucas
1, February 2011 2:23 pm

who might that be Bill

Bill Lucas
Reply to  gordon bennett
2, February 2011 2:41 am

Attendances
1Go IOW.gov
2council
3Councillors and click on your favorite.

Scroll down and hey presto attendance for 2010 and a report that they are obliged to provide.
Sutton
Joyce
Stewart

Realist
31, January 2011 7:46 pm

Patrick is absolutely right! However does that mean that only a disciplined political group elected on a political manifesto can deliver a sustained programme of eg, a balanced budget with rates of council tax increases below inflation? Answer, probably because as PJ says Independents would be expected to vote as separately required by their local electors whose views may well differ between electoral divisons or how they… Read more »

no.5
Reply to  Realist
31, January 2011 8:48 pm

I am considering standing, but as a Labour candidate

Haulage Bob
Reply to  no.5
31, January 2011 8:55 pm

I just don’t see Islanders voting for Labour councillors. Well, not in sufficient numbers. Whatever happened to the Liberals?

no.5
Reply to  Haulage Bob
31, January 2011 10:53 pm

Matters not the amount of people that vote for you….just that you stood

no.5
Reply to  no.5
31, January 2011 10:53 pm

The liberals are the council that ineptly let this buch of charlatans in

gordon bennett
Reply to  no.5
31, January 2011 8:55 pm

As long as you are democratic I couldn’t care less what you are.

However if enough of you get in will the whips be out?

Don Smith
Reply to  no.5
1, February 2011 12:02 am

Your wasting your time No.5 – ‘Labour’ is a bad word here on Tory island. We need to organize a protest where it will hit home hard. Have the islanders got the guts? I doubt it. When a man of the stature of Mark Chiverton comes a poor third in the general election, it just goes to show you that the working class are not interested; and… Read more »

no.5
Reply to  Don Smith
1, February 2011 12:26 am

you only waste your time by doing nothing.

Don ..you seem to have given up and a man who gives up on politics, gives up on life ( play on quote)

no.5
Reply to  no.5
1, February 2011 12:27 am

a man isn’t judged by how many times he looses, but by how many times he trys and the odds against him

Pete
Reply to  Don Smith
1, February 2011 8:59 am

Are you surprised Labour is not supported well on this Island, look at the huge mess they left this country in, now we are paying for it. I think they’ve proved how bad ‘new labour’ is. And the only Labour member here is a Socialist Labour person, he admits he’s doesn’t like “New Labour”. Thats not to say we have a perfect govenment now either, but whoever… Read more »

docile denny
Reply to  Pete
1, February 2011 10:40 am

I was recently told that Bembridge has the highest number of card holding labour members on the Isle of Wight. David Pugh and cabinet members please note this come the revolution.

Stewart Blackmore
Reply to  Pete
1, February 2011 11:17 am

Pete, You refer of course to Geoff Lumley who increased his majority as a Labour Party candidate. Geoff is very often a lone voice at County Hall but he is a very effective opposition politician. If any of you would like to join him and make a difference at the next elections you will be very welcome. Give the electorate the chouce and let’s hope that, come… Read more »

keithybaby
Reply to  Pete
1, February 2011 11:58 am

And there I was thinking it was those greedy, gambling bankers who poured the country’s resources down the drain, silly me!

Don Smith
Reply to  Pete
1, February 2011 12:32 pm

I’m not talking about the cheats at Westminster. It’s local politics that we can control. A man or woman standing as a Labour candidate takes no notice of what’s going on at Central Government – It’s the IoW that counts. Milliband and Co are no different from Cameron and Clegg – They are in it for fame and fortune. Cameron is already a multi-millionaire, what does he… Read more »

Don Smith
Reply to  Pete
3, June 2011 11:32 pm

Time to forget what goes on at Westminster – Think IoW, and what is in the best interests of the IoW. Westminster: Tory, then Labour, then Tory, then Labour; now a coalition which is Tory in disguise. Think IoW and the candidates who will serve you best, and not be controlled by party politics at Westminster. I am still waiting for the anti-dog fouling signs to go… Read more »

Z. Morgan
Reply to  Don Smith
4, February 2011 10:01 am

I understand where you are coming from. I am from a working class background, but aspire to better! The latest proposed cuts being made by the Council have made me get off my behind and do something about this nightmare that is happening! I attended a Cowes Town Council Meeting the other week to enquire their position on the ‘Library proposals’ and have since become very interested… Read more »

patrick joyce
Reply to  Realist
31, January 2011 8:52 pm

Its not a matter of an uncoordinated policy. Its a matter of agreeing a policy that may be in the interest of the people of the Island. This should then be put out for consultation giving the voters ALL the facts and alternatives. not just the ones that suit you. If your argument is sound people will agree, if not,listen to them,the policy is wrong. When I… Read more »

Bluey
Reply to  patrick joyce
31, January 2011 10:45 pm

Get real. Major savings have to found, for whatever reason. So all the indepedents listen to their various residents, who say say “dont cut our libraries, toilets, care systems, or, in fact, dont cut anything. So the independents bankrupt the Island. Democracy?

Pete
Reply to  Bluey
1, February 2011 9:02 am

How true, and you can guarantee they have not put up an alternative budget for David Pugh to consider, in fact the last few years the Island Liberals didn’t either. They can not moan when they dont offer up alternative solutions, it is not a bottomless pit of money.

hazel wyld
Reply to  Pete
1, February 2011 9:32 am

Geoff Lumley put up an alternative budget that wa voted out and personally I was in favour of it, in fairness he was supported by the Independants and the Liberal party but they were outnumbered, to have a true democracy you do need to be able to pass alternatives but sadly the ruling party will also vote against any alternatives and do follow the party line….also if… Read more »

no.5
Reply to  Pete
1, February 2011 9:35 am

The Tories have already bankrupt the Island. The Government cuts this year were £7million..the council bumped it up to £17m by lumping their own generated debts together and trying to hide their own debt behind the governments, who in their own turn are trying to hide the bankers (tories) destruction of our economy by blaming Labour…one level of deceit over another. At least 2 alternative budgets have… Read more »

John
Reply to  Pete
1, February 2011 10:04 am

Don’t quote me on this but i think you will find that Reg Barry also placed an alternative budget too. Which was thrown out by the ruling party.

Patrick Joyce
Reply to  Pete
1, February 2011 3:51 pm

Bluey and Pete clearly fans of Mr Pugh and the party whip Major savings have to be found Independents listen to the residents and say dont cut anything They havn’t put forward an alternative budget for David. Yes savings have to be found, the excessive spending by officers at county hall has to be curtailed It is not for the Independents to give David an alternative budget… Read more »

no.5
Reply to  Bluey
1, February 2011 9:39 am

To be fair Hazel..this council is the result of the democratic process…if not enough people can be bothered to vote against the Tories at elections then you get what you deserve. Look at the Chale & Niton result…smack in the middle of all this protest, they returned a Tory councillor to strengthen this council.

Pete
Reply to  no.5
2, February 2011 7:01 am

In answer to No5, the Island is NOT bankrupt, like the rest of the Country the Island is just less well off, these are £17m worth of savings, NOT DEBT! Pugh has not generated £7-17m worth of debt. There is at least £24m of reserves at County Hall. Central Government, has reduced the amount from London to the Island by £7m. and further savings have to made… Read more »

no.5
Reply to  no.5
2, February 2011 8:33 am

do you live in Tory dream land…the banker induced collapse was world wide…not just in Britain. It originated in non-prime debt collapse in the US, which the greed merchants in banks world wide bought into. You can’t blame a British polotician of any flavour for that….just a tory deceiving trick. Everybody knows this council is massively in debt and depends on whether you consider 8-10 miillion pounds… Read more »

Pete
Reply to  no.5
2, February 2011 10:31 am

No 5, I think it is you that lives in Labour dream land, when they came to power there was plenty of money left “in the bank” left by a Tory Government, labour left leaving a massive debt! You speak like a “Labourite”, stating “the banker induced collapse was world wide”, how many times are Labour going to churn that one out? They SHOULD have seen it… Read more »

no.5
Reply to  no.5
2, February 2011 11:58 am

actually I’m echoing Melvin King , the chairman of the bank of England who accepted that responsibility. Which country in the world saw it coming…the Tory party never saw it coming. The council was handed a cuts budget of £7 million pound by Whitehall…the council is making cuts of £17 million this year to cover its own deficit. No amount of Tory flam or deciet can hide… Read more »

Dave Q
Reply to  patrick joyce
1, February 2011 9:50 am

Thank you Patrick, I was politically aligned, many years ago I spent several years as chairman of our local LIBERAL group which I left when they became Lib Dems, I am morre than happy to listen to views from any part of the political spectrum provided they make some sense and are not abusive!
Cheers,
Dave

out of touch theconmag
1, February 2011 10:17 am

This Conservative Council isn’t capable of staying in budget even after two of the largest financial settlements ever given to this Island Council from the Labour Government.Who would want to take on the shambles which Pugh and co have created

vanessa churchman
1, February 2011 10:51 pm

Councillors should be elected to represent their constituents and look after the strategic interests of the Isle of Wight. They should also be scrutinising the way the public’s hard earned cash is spent by the Council. There seems to be an odd feeling that Independents come from another planet and cannot reach agreement on how things should be done. Alongside this is a view expressed that different… Read more »

hazel wyld
Reply to  vanessa churchman
1, February 2011 11:10 pm

A friend of mine asked me why we needed so many councilors on the island, she suggested we needed four, North, South, East and West..couldn`t think of a suitable argument..can anyone else?

Pete
Reply to  hazel wyld
2, February 2011 7:09 am

Hazel, having been a previous councillor, I can tell you now that it is a thank less job, and at time a very busy one, with only 4 councillors the workload would be impossible, and can you imagine policies for the Island being argused around a table of 4, I suspect nothing would get done, especially if they were from opposing parties. Rest assured some councillors work… Read more »

no.5
Reply to  Pete
2, February 2011 9:33 am

Doesn’t matter how hard they work in their wards if, when it comes to Island threatening decisions they tow the party line as instructed.

roger mazillius
Reply to  hazel wyld
2, February 2011 7:11 am

Now that WOULD leave it to the officers Hazel! Also who would “man” the scrutiny panels and cabinet, be an effective local councillor AND make the tea!

no.5
Reply to  roger mazillius
2, February 2011 9:32 am

we all know who should be making the Tea

Pete
Reply to  roger mazillius
2, February 2011 10:34 am

Roger these people should try and be councillors themselves, on the receiving end of this blog!
They must be so perfect!

no.5
Reply to  Pete
2, February 2011 12:00 pm

well maybe we will try :)

Can’t do any worse that this lot or their LibDem predesessors

roger mazillius
Reply to  Pete
5, February 2011 11:56 am

Amen to that Pete. A rare sensible voice in this medium!

Pete
Reply to  Pete
5, February 2011 12:47 pm

Thanks Roger, it is a shame this medium is full of negative left wingers, maybe the Tories should join in so that a balanced view could be attained, however seeing some of the comments on here the left wingers clearly think they know best, even when their Government messed up the economy of this Country… but they live in a dream land that does not believe this… Read more »

docile denny
Reply to  Pete
5, February 2011 12:56 pm

Peter, here’s one tory voter who is also involved in politics with a small p. Left winger I am not but I am a realist in that Roger and his mates are destroying this Island. I always thought RM was a man of principle sadly he has destroyed that view and you are just feeding his ego. Vote tory locally again. NEVER.

Arnold Tate
Reply to  Pete
5, February 2011 1:48 pm

Don’t be fooled. Clearly there’s some left-wingers on here, but a heck of a lot of Conservative supporters too.

As has just been said by DD, there’s very many that are concerned over some of our Conservative on the council. We may not write in letters or comments, but it doesn’t mean we’re happy.

hmmm
Reply to  roger mazillius
5, February 2011 2:16 pm

too many chiefs. Having so many councillors means that everyone thinks they are in charge. Scrutiny should be done by central government or an independant body. Councillors are not in a position to investigate themselves or other councillors. As for making the tea, Im sure your capable of boiling a kettle Roger. Make your own bloody tea, and start recognising that rather than left wingers and moaners… Read more »

Pete
Reply to  vanessa churchman
6, February 2011 4:41 pm

Vanessa when elected and since, I have always said too many delegated decisions are and have been made, this is not democracy, full council should see so much more….

angry from newport
5, February 2011 2:17 pm

Pete Humber, I remember you when you were a councillor. You never, not once spoke at a full council meeting. You were whipped into silence and played followed the leader like a good little sheep that you are…….Baa

gordon bennett
Reply to  angry from newport
5, February 2011 2:24 pm

So thats who’s Pete well what a creep

Pete
Reply to  gordon bennett
5, February 2011 2:47 pm

I am not a creep, I am fed up with the whinging by all the “self confessed experts” on this blog, and not just this conversation.
For the record I am also unhappy that at all is not well at County Hall at the moment.

Media watcher
Reply to  Pete
5, February 2011 3:17 pm

You seem to believe all that Beynon, Pugh, Brown and Co tell you? For instance, how can anyone think spending £4 million on refurbishing County Hall is value for money, when you’re closing libraries? You silent councillor’s are letting the leaders get away with murder.

No.5
Reply to  Pete
5, February 2011 4:18 pm

so your fed up with the electorate putting forward their opinion….just as well you’re an ex-councillor…could do without another yes man in county hall

catwoman
Reply to  No.5
5, February 2011 4:22 pm

trouble is, he was replaced by a yes woman

Pete
Reply to  No.5
5, February 2011 5:22 pm

No 5, you are a good twister of words, perhaps you are in politics? I did not say I was fed up of the electorate putting forward their opinion, I said I am fed up with some of the deconstructive comments on this blog from self confessed experts, which you clearly are. You hide behind “No 5” and can say what you like whether you believe it… Read more »

Pete
Reply to  No.5
5, February 2011 5:30 pm

Catwoman maybe, but I worked very hard in the ward at the time, lots of things got done with help from the residents.

no.5
Reply to  No.5
5, February 2011 5:30 pm

I can say what I like as long as it is not liable

and I will quote

“I am fed up with the whinging by all the “self confessed experts” on this blog,

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Those ‘self confessed experts’ are the electorate.

Its nice you and Geoff are friends, well done

No.5
Reply to  Pete
5, February 2011 4:44 pm

I’ve just seen why you have a bee in your bonnet about ‘lefties’ you stood against Geoff Lumley hahahahha

Pete
Reply to  No.5
5, February 2011 5:08 pm

And?… Geoff and I get on very well thank you very much, I have a certain respect for the way he conducts himself, and I would hope the respect is mutual, we worked well together on Newport Parish council and the Newport Town Management Committee before that. Geoff and I know where we both stand, and at times I have agreed with him, and he with I,… Read more »

Pete
Reply to  angry from newport
5, February 2011 2:44 pm

Thank you Jackie for your input!

docile denny
Reply to  Pete
5, February 2011 5:58 pm

Pete I should quit now if I was you. I too have dealings with County Hall and I am talking now and things are very different to those you describe. Glad you had debate in your time because there is not much going on now believe me. Everyone bows to Pugh, Brown and Giles. Officers are yes men and staff are demoralised. Take off the rose tinted… Read more »

Pete
Reply to  docile denny
5, February 2011 6:06 pm

I hear what you say, rest assured I am under no illusions.

angry from newport
5, February 2011 2:31 pm

That’s an extremely good idea Hmmm, a bit like jury service. I can see some flaws but they could be ironed out. Scrutiny committees though should definitely be run by the general populace and certainly should not be overun by the ruling group

roger mazillius
Reply to  angry from newport
5, February 2011 6:03 pm

Pleased to confirm that Pete was never a “yes man”! Don’t worry Pete about eg No 5 or Docile Denny twisting your comments to suit their own ends.

Mind you, that is a trait they commonly lay at our door but of course there are none so blind as cannot see! (That’ll get them going!)

Pete
Reply to  roger mazillius
5, February 2011 6:09 pm

LOL. Roger.

no.5
Reply to  Pete
5, February 2011 6:15 pm

Yep.. LOL. Roger

Could I twist that into two Tories laughing at the people that elected them…… :)

hmmm
Reply to  roger mazillius
5, February 2011 6:38 pm

Roger, go and do your job instead of trying to goad people. And before you claim you are not goading anyone, may I quote you: “(That’ll get them going!)” Take an example from Chris Bonney and Geoff Lumley. They both make their point, and defend their point. I have never seen either of them seeming to be having a laugh at the comments from the electorate. If… Read more »

DP
Reply to  hmmm
5, February 2011 7:45 pm

Well said hmmmmmm. The trouble with the conservative counsellors is that they are so arrogant that they think that they can get away with anything and they are untouchable! Inappropriate sexual conduct in toilets and swearing at our local MP are just a few examples of the outrageous behaviour of the people chosen to represent us. Roger – you need to take a long hard look at… Read more »

docile denny
Reply to  roger mazillius
5, February 2011 7:29 pm

Talk about being a politician Rog, I said you were a yes man not Pete. Don’t twist my words old boy.
Very good comment Hmmmm, summed it up very well.

roger mazillius
Reply to  docile denny
5, February 2011 8:18 pm

Just the responses I expected! Thanks for proving my point.

DP what are you talking about? What “miscalculated figures”?

bill lucas
Reply to  roger mazillius
5, February 2011 8:31 pm

Roger

A quote from along time ago

“If your in the hole stop digging”

Or ” You Strain out the gnats and swallow the Camel”

the later is from St Matthew .

Some of this as beyoned Wesiminster and your group , its more local.

DP
Reply to  roger mazillius
5, February 2011 9:45 pm

Why else would you do a complete U turn and now advocate that Westminster House can stay in Newport?? – I don’t think any of us believe for a minute that you are doing this because its in the best interests of the servicer users.
There are obviously financial implications that make it unviable for the service to be transferred to The Gouldings.

hmmm
Reply to  roger mazillius
5, February 2011 11:24 pm

Roger, the difference between my response and yours is that you have a position to lose, and I have a vote to use. As for your point, I have no godly idea what point you are trying to make. Is it that people commenting on here are ranting? Is it that the public are uneducated fools whilst you and other tory councillors are our betters? The overwhelming… Read more »

roger mazillius
5, February 2011 8:37 pm

Can you say that again in a way that actually makes sense Bill?

no.5
Reply to  roger mazillius
5, February 2011 9:02 pm

Mr. M

I’ll give you your due. In all the time I’ve been on here you are the only Tory councillor who has come back time and again and his happy to ‘banter’ away..That shows a bit of backbone…now show some more and back the population and replace this shopkeeper who is ruining OUR Island

roger mazillius
Reply to  no.5
5, February 2011 9:44 pm

Thanks No.5. I expect it is because they have more sense! Sorry to have to disagree on other matters too but that’s the human race for you!Night, night!

hmmm
Reply to  roger mazillius
5, February 2011 11:34 pm

more sense?

do you mean more sense than to actually interact with the people who elected them?

Sorry if I twist your words, but then you did goad me into it. Well done, you clearly have nothing better to do with your time, like perhaps council business.

bill lucas
Reply to  roger mazillius
5, February 2011 11:35 pm

One is from the Bible and a quote ,the other from British politics some years ago.

One could say “Look at the big picture rather than the toe nail print” “….”saving pence and spending thousands” or in the IOWC speak “spending thousands to save pence”

I gather from your postings you are used to not answering direct questions with answers, you make statemants.

Mike Judge
5, February 2011 11:25 pm

Come on Rog, answer a few easy questions, don’t run away! Try these; Did you mess up on the Westminster House relocation figures? Did George Brown sponsor and host the £4,500 Squadron do for the PFI or not? Why did you spend thousands of our pounds in Ryde tandoori? Are you going to grow a pair and replace Pughbert? Can you possibly justify employing Dave Burbage in… Read more »

hmmm
Reply to  Mike Judge
5, February 2011 11:38 pm

I hope you dont expect an answer to any of that. Rog is too busy accusing people of twisting his words and goading people into responding to his petty points. Although i will say I hope no-one answers the final query. I dont see what a pregnancy has to do with council business. Personal life should be left as personal. Unless of course Pugh pays for the… Read more »

Mr J
Reply to  hmmm
6, February 2011 5:05 pm

May I suggest a nice Christening at the Royal Yacht Squadron? George as God-father? Shouldn’t cost more than £4,500

bill lucas
Reply to  Mike Judge
5, February 2011 11:41 pm

Mike
Roger is engageing in a dialogue that we all appreciate, please dont make it unpleasant and keep it relevant.

roger mazillius
Reply to  bill lucas
6, February 2011 10:08 am

Thanks Bill. Appreciate that. I have to say that the sort of responses posted last night well illustrate my opinion of the quality of the “usual suspects” whose idea of a free exchange of opinions is almost to universally abuse opinion not in complete accord with their own. That is most probably why the silent majority have given up on expressing their views through this forum. Fortunately… Read more »

hmmm
Reply to  roger mazillius
6, February 2011 10:32 am

Roger, you accuse people of abuse once again. Frankly I find that ludicrous. People simply want you to answer some questions since you seem to be the lone tory councillor to comment on here. Perhaps thats a little unfair and other councillors should share in that responsibility, but your here and they are not. However, you seem intent on avoiding those questions that you dont want to… Read more »

roger mazillius
Reply to  hmmm
6, February 2011 10:53 am

Dear Hmmm, the truth of course is already out there. read the detailed Press Releases, read the detailed Council Papers, listen to interviews, all in the public domain.

In particular read the skilled technical exposition from our brilliant Director of Resources in our budget papers for 2011/12.

Is this forum as usual blind to reality?

hmmm
Reply to  hmmm
6, February 2011 11:16 am

Items in the public domain are fine, and I have read some of what you mention. However, thats not the point I was making and you know it. Are you, or are you not, going to answer the questions that have been asked on here? For a reasonably concise list of those questions, I refer you to Mike Judge, Comment No. 10 above. Although of course the… Read more »

gill
Reply to  hmmm
6, February 2011 11:45 am

Roger, you talk about truth already being out in the public domain in press releases etc. Can you then please comment on the following: 1. Are you completely satisfied that the cabinet is making decisions because all the facts yare provided with are correct and accurate? 2. Are you happy with the standard of the information you are given before making decisions? 3. Are you aware that… Read more »

Pete
Reply to  hmmm
6, February 2011 12:08 pm

The underlying problem it seems to me, and I have said this to David Pugh, is that information about changes is not set out in laymans terms for residents to understand, Roger mentions that all the information is in the public domain, but really have you read some of this? And they never explain why… example; Council wants to close libraries, people say why?, council says “cut… Read more »

No.5
Reply to  hmmm
6, February 2011 1:02 pm

surely Pete, this is why the council pays a fortune to a communications department and spends money with image consultants

Pete
Reply to  hmmm
6, February 2011 1:27 pm

No 5, ah yes the comms room, this is a bizarre one, whilst it can be used for telling us what is going on, as I understand it, it is not allowed to be a “Political” public notice board, so I think there is a conflict. The problem is that the “Council” has to be seen as non political, however it is run by political parties…. this… Read more »

No.5
Reply to  hmmm
6, February 2011 1:33 pm

I do think branding us bloggers as ranters and lefties is a bit harsh when even ex-councillors have trouble explaining ‘the rules’

but thanks for the reply

Peter Longton
Reply to  roger mazillius
6, February 2011 1:01 pm

Initially I was excited to see you commenting on here Roger. Sadly, it’s so far appearing to be another illustration of what lots of people say about Roger Mazillius (and to be fair, lots of other politicians), “He talks a lot, but never answers the question.” This isn’t, “universally abuse opinion” (your words), it is in fact an observation of your postings. You were asked a number… Read more »

oh my goodness
Reply to  roger mazillius
8, February 2011 9:05 am

As for the national debt, it is ‘us’ that are having to deal with the punishment. It is the banks that made this mess, and if “you” as the council had spent money more wisely and not spent on so many expensis and “catering” (ha, ha), perhaps we would have more money to spend on the “luxury’s” such as library’s and toilets? I am awaiting to see… Read more »

No.5
Reply to  oh my goodness
8, February 2011 10:30 am

Well I’m voting Peter Hummer for new council leader.

If we have to have a Tory..at least let it be one that ‘can be bothered’

Pete
Reply to  oh my goodness
8, February 2011 11:48 am

Thank you No 5. I appreciate your words. Yes I was very committed as a Councillor, and passionate about the Island and the way it has, and is, being run. When elected I could never quite get the council to see that it was the ‘business’ and the taxpayers are its ‘customers’, the money they use is ours not theirs, and the council can only survive because… Read more »

Rush
Reply to  Mike Judge
6, February 2011 11:37 am

Also £2.5 million facelift The Heights Leisure Centre.

Rush
Reply to  Rush
6, February 2011 12:15 pm

Councils hoard £10bn but still cut jobs “Express”Eric Pickles,Cllr Giles East Cowes Meeting £25m in reserves.

Pete
Reply to  Rush
6, February 2011 12:19 pm

Can you explain this statement please? It doesn’t make sense, is this from the “Express” newspaper??

Rush
Reply to  Pete
6, February 2011 12:20 pm

Yes

Pete
Reply to  Pete
6, February 2011 12:21 pm

Sorry, I mis-read “Express Pickles”, still the rest is unclear!

Rush
Reply to  Pete
6, February 2011 12:28 pm

Cllr Giles, IWC has £25m in reserves.

Rush
Reply to  Rush
6, February 2011 12:38 pm

East Cowes Public Budget Cut Meeting.

Barry Wom
Reply to  Rush
6, February 2011 1:48 pm

The £25m figure is misleading. Most of this is stuff that has to be set aside for specific reasons. The Council has probably got no more than £2.5m they could actually spend.

Rush
Reply to  Rush
6, February 2011 2:05 pm

Misleading?

Rush
Reply to  Rush
6, February 2011 2:22 pm

Misleading the people.Government or Council?

Pete
Reply to  Rush
6, February 2011 4:45 pm

Barry Wom, I think you are mistaken about the £25m being set aside for specific reasons, it is the law of this country that any Council must have a reserve fund, for unforseen emergencies. This £25m will not be ear marked elsewhere.

Rush
Reply to  Rush
6, February 2011 8:00 pm

Pickles comment “Express”

Rush
Reply to  Rush
6, February 2011 8:18 pm

IWC, need to clarify with Pickles, if they can use reserves.

angry and now concerned of Newport
Reply to  Rush
8, February 2011 12:47 pm

Where do you live No 5? If you lived in Newport North (as was)trust me you wouldn’t of made that comment.

Pete
Reply to  angry and now concerned of Newport
8, February 2011 1:14 pm

If this is one Jackie Hawkins from Newport North, then you have a nerve, I spent hours working with you on ward issues during my time as a councillor, and you seem to forget the numerous phone calls you made to me any time of day, many being abusive as I recall. I would rather you did not make slanderous accusations in public. If this is not… Read more »

angry of Newport
Reply to  Pete
8, February 2011 1:41 pm

I think you have a rather inflated opinion of yourself Pete Humber and I think if you were to ask the residents of Newport North (as was)my comments about you would be backed up.

Pete
Reply to  angry and now concerned of Newport
8, February 2011 2:03 pm

Jackie I do not have an inflated opinion of myself, the truth is I put as much into being a councillor as I possibly could at the time, and would eagerly do so again in the future if I decided to stand. Clearly Jackie, you wish to disagree with me and thats up to you, you can’t please everyone all of the time, as I stated earlier… Read more »

angry and now concerned of Newport
Reply to  Rush
8, February 2011 1:06 pm

How dare you? Customers??? We are the employers not customers. Councillors are employees, nothing more nothing less. It’s about time you got that into your heads. As has been said several times on here recently, when the time comes around again for would be councillors to go for their job interviews, ie. election time, us employers/electors will remember who did their jobs well and who didn’t.

Pete
Reply to  angry and now concerned of Newport
8, February 2011 1:26 pm

For the Record, I meant ‘customers’ as the Island residents who recieve services from the local council. As a simple example: Resident pays tax and recieves bin collections, if theres a problem with the bin service the customer (tax payer) rings the council to complain. On a different level you are right, Councillors are ’employed’ by the tax payer, however the Coucillor does not collect your bins,… Read more »

angry and now concerned of Newport
Reply to  Pete
8, February 2011 1:35 pm

Exactly….The ‘interview’ is the campaign every would be councillor goes through and the electorate decides who gets the job…..you’re arguing for arguments sake. Read the comment properly….and for petes sake get your spelling right

Pete
Reply to  angry and now concerned of Newport
8, February 2011 2:05 pm

Jackie, I was making a point or two, I was not arguing for arguing’s sake. Confused.

Pete
Reply to  Mike Judge
6, February 2011 12:16 pm

Maybe these questions should be answered by David Pugh or George Brown, as stated on here Roger is the ‘loan’ councillor on here.

Pete
Reply to  Pete
6, February 2011 12:17 pm

Sorry ‘lone’ – my spelling error

hmmm
Reply to  Pete
6, February 2011 12:47 pm

perhaps they should be answered by someone else. But they are not here, and Roger is. All he has to say is that he doesnt know the answer but he will take the question to Pugh, Brown, or the relevant person to get an answer for us. Instead, he ignores the questions. This morning he has been very quick to point out that some things are in… Read more »

Pete
Reply to  hmmm
6, February 2011 1:21 pm

I will leave Roger to reply to your first points, I do understand your sentiments about the untouchable statement, (the tories have done well at by-elections), but as a tory supported myself I, and I suspect other tories who have chipped in on this forum, fully understand that the party is not invincable on this Island. Sadly David does not understand the word ‘transparancy’ from the ‘customers’… Read more »

hmmm
Reply to  Pete
6, February 2011 1:32 pm

its not how well the tories have done at by-elections. I feel, and i suspect some others feel, that certainly Pugh is out of touch with reality, and probably other tories as well. A good example of this is the PughTube incident. I seem to recall reading a comment from someone who worked in county hall at the time that Pugh had a good laugh about the… Read more »

hmmm
6, February 2011 11:59 am

So roger, theres lots of questions there from different people. How about some answers? Even the answer that you have to talk to the council and the tory group before actually answering questions would be fine. I do hope you dont fail to reply at all though.

No.5
6, February 2011 3:43 pm

While we have Rogers attention..can I ask him who thought up the idea to have a Prince William and Kate Middleton lookalikes officially open Pan Meadows?

This has got to be one of the worst jokes ever…and we pay for it

roger mazillius
Reply to  No.5
6, February 2011 4:07 pm

No 5 – ask Barratts. Hmmm. Moan away as much as you like. Your obsession with David Pugh, even to the point of using loads of capital letters, which I understand is the cyber equivalent of shouting or bullying, makes me wonder if you have more than the usual axe to grind. Anyway Mr (or is it Ms) Hmmm do read the papers and press releases, eg… Read more »

No.5
Reply to  roger mazillius
6, February 2011 4:24 pm

Simple arrogance just jumps out of the screen….

hmmm
Reply to  roger mazillius
6, February 2011 4:37 pm

well roger, you ‘answered’ some of the questions that various people have put to you. Unfortunately not all of them. What about the refirbishment at the Heights? Would that money not be better spent keeping the Waterside Pool in ryde open? And theres other questions from other people up there. As for moaning, or having an axe to grind, not at all. I simply would like to… Read more »

roger mazillius
Reply to  hmmm
6, February 2011 4:46 pm

Hmmm -You really are a sad case just can’t be bothered to read the information before you or wait for consultations to end! Your comments re Westminster House are so inaccurate and not borne out by the public facts that your obsession is obvious. As Steve Wight’s programme used to say, “Try Some Therapy”!
To No. 5, sorry but I really did answer your question!

no.5
Reply to  roger mazillius
6, February 2011 4:57 pm

And I noted it…lets see if it appears in three months when the next edition of ‘Council Spending’ is unleashed on an astounded population

hmmm
Reply to  roger mazillius
6, February 2011 5:01 pm

Roger, thankyou for showing your true colours and alienating at least one voter. If my comments are inaccurate, please prove it. At the moment it appears that you were forced to consult by campaigners. And of course in politics, appearences matter. Please, prove me wrong about you. I would be very happy to know that you are infact a public servant who listens to what the people… Read more »

gill
Reply to  roger mazillius
6, February 2011 5:50 pm

Roger, I would really appreciate you answering my question please, if you have time. It was about the public conveniences and spurious information and statistics. I would be happy to meet with you and the cabinet members to show the many many errors on which you will be making an “informed decision”.

rjc
Reply to  hmmm
7, February 2011 7:32 am

“proved by Westminster House until people started to fight and embarrassed you into performing a proper consultation.” I don’t think Westminster house has anything to do with consultation with the people. After all it is not a guaranteed reprieve, it is more a ‘wait and see’ I have been surfing through the ‘personal budget’ stuff on the net and it seems a lot of organisations and ‘homes’… Read more »

Mr J
Reply to  roger mazillius
6, February 2011 4:47 pm

Technically legal doesn’t make it right.

Pete
Reply to  roger mazillius
6, February 2011 7:36 pm

Roger Re your last point, about Dave B, as much as we are fellow Torys I can not agree with you on this one, although legal, this is morally unacceptable. As he advises ALL parties, he clearly got his advice wrong to the elected group for this last two years otherwise the situation may not be quite as bad as it is. Dave B’s consultancy is paid… Read more »

no.5
Reply to  Pete
6, February 2011 8:07 pm

~~~~~~~~~~shock~~~~~~~~~~

Pete
Reply to  no.5
6, February 2011 9:04 pm

No 5 if that was aimed at my comment to Roger, the moral of the story is, dont taint all tories with the same brush. There are other concerned tories on this discussion.
And a good discussion it is proving to be. I agree that other elected tories should have got involved, but neither of us will change that.

no.5
Reply to  no.5
6, February 2011 9:15 pm

I have no illusion that, should Pugh &Co. go, that they would be replaced by anybody but another Tory, even if by election..although I think the majority would be a lt smaller. My gripe about this council is not that they are Tory ( oh to live on an Island with so simple a problem) its that this bunch are incompetant and it is Tories that need… Read more »

steve s
6, February 2011 6:19 pm

@Roger.

“PS RE Dave B’s contract, we are advised it is legal which is great because he is an outstandingly skilled and committed Director of Resources and S. 151 Officer.”

Are you not just the tiniest bit uncomfortable about the terms of Mr Burbage’s employment?

gill
Reply to  steve s
6, February 2011 6:26 pm

I do not know Dave Burbage but people who do, who do not work in the council hold him in high esteem. They consider that he is highly professional and those that talk about him only do so with the highest respect.

Rush
Reply to  gill
6, February 2011 7:18 pm

So why have we got Beynon?

Rush
Reply to  Rush
6, February 2011 7:24 pm

Why have we still got Beynon?

Pete
Reply to  Rush
6, February 2011 7:39 pm

Now there is a question that should be answered!

Rush
Reply to  Rush
6, February 2011 7:46 pm

Thanks Pete!Island comes First!

Victor Meldrew
Reply to  gill
6, February 2011 7:24 pm

For what he is costing us that is the minimum standard I would expect. Perhaps if senior officers were more open and transparent in their dealings AND were honest about their motives and didnt patronise us , their employers, WE might gain some respect for them. Until then I fail to see how we, the electorate to whom they are ultimately responsible, can be expected to be… Read more »

Steve & Jane
Reply to  gill
6, February 2011 7:30 pm

He may or may not be good at his job; he is undoubtably good at being greedy, at taxpayer’s expense.

Don Smith
Reply to  gill
6, February 2011 7:46 pm

They are obviously blinded by his salary.
Twice the pay of an MP and all the usual perks.
Who is in control of this free pay for all?

This culture of high pay for top pen pushers is bordering on criminal and the people should do something about it.

Every Council in the country tries to justify these inflated salaries; time for changes.

Don Smith
Reply to  gill
6, February 2011 7:51 pm

They have to do or they will get the push – Doff your cap chappie!

DP
6, February 2011 7:46 pm

Do you know Roger – I actually feel sorry for you now. You obviously lack the people skills and professionalism that really should be a basic requirement for someone with your position. You hide behind cabinet “spin” but I’ve heard this all before and its wearing a bit thin now. What exactly does you job description entail – does it specify that you need to act in… Read more »

docile denny
6, February 2011 7:54 pm

Careful DP, you will be accused of bullying by RM. You can’t have an opinion as far as RM is concerned. RM needs to look up the meaning of democracy in the dictionary me thinks. Rog if you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

roger mazillius
Reply to  docile denny
6, February 2011 8:19 pm

Thanks to everyone for making my recent time on the blog such an interesting and in parts at least enjoyable experience. It has confirmed my view that “there’s nowt as queer as folks”. Or as the News of the World says “All human life is here”! SO it’s goodbye from me and goodbye from him. Best wishes to friend and foe alike and remember, the truth is… Read more »

Pete
Reply to  roger mazillius
6, February 2011 9:07 pm

Shame to see you bow out Roger, keep up the good work.

no.5
Reply to  roger mazillius
6, February 2011 9:12 pm

and as they say of politicians

“Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason”

Rush
Reply to  roger mazillius
6, February 2011 9:29 pm

SO it`s goodbye from me and goodbye from him.Oh no there is not two of you?Hope that both of you do not claim expenses?

northwoodian
Reply to  roger mazillius
6, February 2011 10:05 pm

Interesting debate over the last few days Roger? As usual you fight your corner with a fierce and spirited defence of the indefensible. Why is it that like all politicians you never seem to answer in a straightforward manner, if that fails belittle the person stating their point. It is clear from discussions all over the Island that there is huge groundswell of descent against the way… Read more »

Steve & Jane
6, February 2011 8:30 pm

Roger – have you at last admitted defeat?
P.S. we folks are not all queer, and we are pleased that the truth is becoming known to a wider audience.

hmmm
6, February 2011 9:17 pm

well there you go. when challenged to actually try and change some minds with reasoned debate, Roger decides to depart instead. Rather than try and convince people that his opinion is right and that he is doing a good job, he heads off with his tail between his legs. Is this really what we want from an IoW Councillor? Someone who is not even able to reasonably… Read more »

hmmm
Reply to  hmmm
6, February 2011 9:32 pm

a very short further point. I wonder if Roger would consider giving a proper interview to VB to put forth his opinion on a number of issues, and try and change peoples minds to his point of view. It would also be an opportunity to tell us all about being a councillor, and the difficulties and rewards of the position. Or of course any other councillor. Just… Read more »

Stewart Blackmore
Reply to  hmmm
7, February 2011 3:35 pm

Could it be that Roger the Dodger has been silenced by his boss for stepping over the line and at least trying to engage with us plebs? He who gives out the seats in Cabinet can take them away, can’t they George?

Steve & Jane
Reply to  hmmm
6, February 2011 9:53 pm

2 more lost votes here.

Mr Justice
6, February 2011 9:54 pm

You scared him off, or more likely David and George told him to disengage with the electorate immediately. The last thing they would want is a loose cannon, even one who refuses to answer the most basic questions. His flight has more than a whiff of cowardice about it. If that’s how our elected councillor’s behave, we need some new one’s, the sooner the better.

Rush
Reply to  Mr Justice
6, February 2011 10:26 pm

Mr Justice,could be right?So it`s goodbye from me(Roger) and goodbye from him(David or George)?

roger mazillius
Reply to  Rush
7, February 2011 2:28 pm

Well done! I had rather over-estimated the mental capacity of certain contributors to actually understand plain english; where to go for precise information and that I have actually given many answers to a variety of questions. Take for example No 5 and his pre-occupation with “lookalikes” I twice gave him the answer, ie “ask Barratts”. Unfortunately he or she, cannot comprehend the simple meaning behind this suggestion.… Read more »

steve s
Reply to  roger mazillius
7, February 2011 2:32 pm

Rog,
You seem… agitated.

Not necessary
Reply to  roger mazillius
7, February 2011 2:37 pm

Roger, you’re just plain rude. How you could ever be elected as a councillor is beyond me. You don’t seem in the least bit approachable.

no.5
Reply to  roger mazillius
7, February 2011 2:48 pm

I thanked you for the info and then said I would check in the next expences report…Am I supposed to accept the word of a Tory as a given….

You really have a chip on your shoulder don’t you.

Pete
Reply to  roger mazillius
7, February 2011 2:51 pm

Roger, if this blog is so “false and biased” why dont you encourage other Tory elected members to join in to even up the bias, like I have in the past, but sadly of course they take the same negative view as you. May I point out that there have been other concerned Tory supporters in this discussion not just ‘left wingers’, 3 of which won’t vote… Read more »

rjc
Reply to  Pete
7, February 2011 4:35 pm

Perhaps Roger would prefer us to use the ‘open forum’ on the council website for a fair and unbiased discussion.

hmmm
Reply to  roger mazillius
7, February 2011 3:46 pm

“So there it is. I have had to waste this time on spelling out what to most people, children included, would have been obvious!” If it was obvious, the question would never have been asked. As for wasting your time, how is answering a concern from a member of the public about whether or not a launch event will be paid for from public money a waste… Read more »

Vix
Reply to  roger mazillius
7, February 2011 5:38 pm

Gosh, Roger. You are very rude. As an IoW voter under the age of 35 I expect better from elected councillors.

I think you should quit forums before you do yourself any more damage. You’re obviously not mature enough to cope.

oh my goodness
Reply to  roger mazillius
7, February 2011 8:05 pm

Mr Roger Mazillius, I think you may perhaps be forgetting whom you may be speaking to? Have a little think for a minute. The people who elected you perhaps? You have served for the council for 12 consecutive years. During the past year you have served on the following I.W.Council Committees and Panels-: Audit (as Chairman), Pension Fund (as Chairman). But when it comes to re-election I… Read more »

oh my goodness
Reply to  oh my goodness
7, February 2011 8:11 pm

But then again I have wasted my time, it’s like water off a duck’s back. You don’t care do you. Along with the rest of them. You don’t care what people think or feel as long as your sat in your nice warm office, with your secretary bringing you coffee. Don’t get to cozy though. Shame you won’t be getting a new office ;o)

Sandown Sally
7, February 2011 3:22 pm

The real shame is that Roger thinks no-one but him and his band of merry men at County Hall have a brain, nor are we entitled to question them on what we see as their dumb decision making. Perhaps we get what we deserve, sadly for another two years that seems to be these ‘we know best’ Tories.

no.5
Reply to  Sandown Sally
7, February 2011 3:30 pm

So Barratts will put on a second rate piece of fakery to satisfy the poor old Isle of Wighters desperate for any form of entertainment…..are you sure the council didn’t come up with this…sounds right up theri street.

I hope the media and the public see this as the snubb and insult that its is and avoid it.

Sally Perry
Admin
Reply to  no.5
7, February 2011 7:26 pm

I was going to write an opinion piece about how insulting, tacky and patronising it is, but then I figured why give them any more publicity.

It begs the question, “What kind of morons do they take the Islanders for?”

Victor Meldrew
Reply to  Sally Perry
7, February 2011 8:08 pm

Anybody else remember when BHS opened in Newport and a councillor – I forget who – said that people would stream into Newport to see the Islands first, and only, escalator?

They really don’t get it do they?

Mr Justice
7, February 2011 6:26 pm

You can see why the council closed the forum on their own website? The idea that we, the mere riff-raff could express our views and opinions filled them with horror.

Roger, you really are a prize p*** I’d enjoy your generous allowances while you still can.

Mosey
7, February 2011 6:45 pm

I can assure you that Rog thinks us peasants out here are incapable of understanding why it makes perfect sense to spend £4m on County Hall.

Sandown Sally
8, February 2011 12:59 pm

£4 million? How can that be right? For that much, you could build a new County Hall says my husband, who is also a builder.

In his opinion, someone is either daft or bent.

Don Smith
Reply to  Sandown Sally
30, August 2011 11:02 pm

Jobs [Contracts] for the boys.

The sooner we form this independent alliance the better – But I’ll wager the suggestion will just fizzle out.

Tories seldom read VB.

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