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Fireworks Warning For Bonchurch Residents

Rachael Brooks·

For all those living in Bonchurch with pets, please be aware that on the evening of Saturday 19th March there will be a short firework display starting at 10.00pm at East Dene. The display will last approximately 10 minutes.

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James P
10, August 2012 1:14 pm

“incentivising people to get back to work”

Yes David. Perhaps you should try it.

As ever, to encourage the poor to work harder, you reduce their income, and to encourage the rich, you offer them more!

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no.5
Reply to  James P
10, August 2012 10:36 pm

is it Pugs job to preach about incentivising non working people..or is it his job to manage the Isle of wjght budget properly. Surely a failed university student and stationary assistant is not best placed to quote on “incentivising” Pug is the failure of his age group Tories with many of them in jobs in Whitehall and already MPs around the country..his constant appearance in Private Eye… Read more »

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Sam
10, August 2012 1:35 pm

Yep, this might incentivise people to get back into work and fill those 23 spots in the council currently begging for non-Conservatives.

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adrian nicholas
10, August 2012 1:46 pm

1980’s poll tax to redistribute taxation from poor to rich revisited. This comes on back of coalition welfare, budget and the bedroom tax which by consequence do exactly the same. Add privatisation and long term increase in cost to public from health, education and outsourcing to companies like Tory Emma Harrison’s A4E, already facing investigation for alleged corruption, and Mr.Buckles ‘Olympic’ security fiasco. The consequences many will… Read more »

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Peter E
10, August 2012 1:50 pm

David Pugh and his County Hall IOW council chums are trying hard to please their masters in Westminster. I recently read Mr Pugh’s Island life interview. It appears he DOES now want to replace Andrew Turner as Member of Parliament. I wonder if he sees this policy as a way of earning his stripes?

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BRIAN
10, August 2012 1:59 pm

This policy is straight out of the Eton book of Economics. The great unwashed need plenty of incentive to work harder lest they fall into idle ways. Increase their council tax which means they will have to work overtime or get a part-time job. Keeps them out of mischief eh Mr Pugh?

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Cynic
10, August 2012 3:54 pm

Why is there no believable Socialist party candidate on the Island?

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Robbo
Reply to  Cynic
10, August 2012 4:45 pm

Becuase the “Socialist Party” in the UK is a lunatic bunch of trotskyists and you will only find democratic socialists isolated within the social democratic Labour Party, where they represent about one-third of the party’s membership.

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hammerjammer
Reply to  Robbo
10, August 2012 5:10 pm

That’s priceless, the Trots are running the party eh!!! Now back in the real world we yet again see the poor hammered by this condem govt. They bang on about making work pay, as they increase unemployment by a million. They inform us that the white charger riding private sector have created about 800,000 new jobs, yet fail to say how many are 10-16 hours a week… Read more »

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DAVE JONES
10, August 2012 10:16 pm

Of course the other point never mentioned is the number of working people who could pay towards council tax but do not have to because they do not live in their own homes. For example, back in the early 70s (when they were called rates), I was the sole wage earner in my house and on a low wage and two small children. I had to pay… Read more »

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Billy Pitt
Reply to  DAVE JONES
10, August 2012 10:27 pm

Which is effectively what the Poll Tax would have done – it would have made the system more fair because each resident would have paid, not just one payment per household.

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hammerjammer
Reply to  Billy Pitt
10, August 2012 10:47 pm

It also had the lord in his manor and the people on very low money paying the same. Now I may have it mistaken, but that doesn’t seem altogether fair to me.

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BRIAN
Reply to  hammerjammer
11, August 2012 8:14 am

Very interesting this notion of how local services are financed. We already have the concept of those who earn more pay more through the tax system On the other hand,if we go down the path of people in larger houses paying more for identical services through council tax banding the results are: A single person living in a higher tax-banded house possibly because it was left to… Read more »

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hammerjammer
Reply to  BRIAN
11, August 2012 1:02 pm

You do realise that there is a lot of poverty on the Island, and throughout the rest of the country. Then you suggest that the poor pay the same as the rich/richer in our society. Please tell me you are joking

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DAVE JONES
Reply to  hammerjammer
12, August 2012 6:46 pm

HAMMERJAMMER you have missed the point I was trying to make; I agree with you that the Poll Tax would have been unfair. However, with all the modern computer systems, I am unable to see why each local authority cannot be allowed to set its own local tax rate (eg 5%) and inform the HMRC that it should collect that amount from each person who pays tax… Read more »

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Mike Crowe
Reply to  DAVE JONES
12, August 2012 6:58 pm

in. a. works. spanner. throw. At one point in my working career, I was working in the Coventry area. OK? No problem? But my Head Office and where I was paid from was Brumigham. Still OK? No problem? But I lived in Leicester :-( Three different tax areas “Let not thy left hand knoweth what thy right hand knoweth” or in the case of the Civi Service… Read more »

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BRIAN
Reply to  DAVE JONES
12, August 2012 7:38 pm

But the council tax is equally unfair as people are charged unequal amounts irrespective of circumstances.

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adrian nicholas
11, August 2012 9:25 am

from The Guardian, 26/11/1011; ” One Hyde Park in Knightsbridge, London – the world’s most expensive block of residential apartments. Photograph: Linda Nylind for the Guardian Only nine of the 62 apartments sold in One Hyde Park – the world’s most expensive residential block – have been registered for council tax. The ownership of the Knightsbridge apartments, which range in price from £3.6m for a one-bedroom flat… Read more »

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CATWOMAN
11, August 2012 3:39 pm

In reply to hammerjammer,yes there is poverty both on the Island and mainland,but the UK has a Benefits system in place to deal with this.I fail to see why people in more expensive houses should subsidise others.Sometimes these properties have been purchased on the back of self sacrifice by the owners.Iwould not dare to assume all receivers of benefits are not due their entitlement.What I have witnessed… Read more »

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George M
11, August 2012 6:01 pm

@CATWOMAN…. To a certain extent I understand fully the points you are making about some people on the dole spending their payments on drink and tobacco,that is most annoying,especially as many of the ones that do this fall back on the goodwill of the foodbank to sustain themselves when they have wasted their payments to feed their habits…However you seem to miss the point regarding this cut… Read more »

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BRIAN
Reply to  George M
11, August 2012 8:02 pm

The problem is, George M, that neither the government or the public has got to gripps philosophically, with public provision. Do you use tax payers cash irrespective of long-term or short-term life choices. Examples: National Health Service Someone, formerly in good health develops liver disease as opposed to a person who has got bladdered up the pub most nights and developed Cirrosis. Someone who has lung problems… Read more »

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George M
Reply to  BRIAN
12, August 2012 7:56 pm

So do you feel that people on benefits are not tax payers?…… Hmmm,are people on benefits excluded from paying 20% VAT? (Last time I checked VAT is a form of tax…) Nope…everyone is taxed until the moment they draw their last breath,and sometimes their residual pension is taxed after they die!….And just to put the record straight the winner of the Euromillions jackpot scooped £148 million quid,not… Read more »

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BRIAN
Reply to  George M
13, August 2012 12:22 am

Unfortunately George M, many people are feckless and care not a jot about expediency, preferring to do as they please and expect others to pick up the tab. Examples as I have highlighted. The smoker and boozer who expect the NHS to sort it, [part of comment removed by moderator] pay for her offspring. Oh, and by the way, when they pay vat the 20% is coming… Read more »

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wightywight
Reply to  BRIAN
13, August 2012 8:11 am

@brian: ….and I find, also, the fraud, the gambling and the downright evasion of taxes by multi national companies, banks, fund management and much more an absolute disgrace. When banks such as Lloyds *negotiate* tax payments to HMRC that do not get out of double figures (around 5% of their taxable profits, for example)…and HMRC accept such arrangements then we have a system in utter disrepute. When… Read more »

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steve s
Reply to  BRIAN
13, August 2012 9:03 am

Brian asked… “This is the problem, george M, do we use taxpayers’ cash from the prudent and responsible citizen to assist the feckless, irresponsible or the plain stupid?”

Well, Brian… do we? What would YOU have us do with the innocent children of the feckless, irresponsible and plain stupid?

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BRIAN
Reply to  steve s
13, August 2012 9:50 am

In response to Wightywight and Steve S. Fraud and multinational tax evasion: agreed NHS underfunded and overmanaged: agreed Life choices which result in health problems: unless people are stupid, too idle to take exercise or couldn’t care less, they must have read, seen TV programmes about too much red meat,alcohol, overweight and smoking. If they continue then they are at fault for wasting NHS resources. Single mothers:… Read more »

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steve s
Reply to  BRIAN
13, August 2012 9:54 am

So… what will you do with them, Brian? So far you have only told us that you don’t like them.

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wightywight
Reply to  BRIAN
13, August 2012 11:05 am

@Brian: Quote ” Life choices which result in health problems: unless people are stupid, too idle to take exercise or couldn’t care less, they must have read, seen TV programmes about too much red meat,alcohol, overweight and smoking. If they continue then they are at fault for wasting NHS resources”. WW response. Brian, what planet are you on? There’s plenty of research out there showing the direct… Read more »

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BRIAN
13, August 2012 10:13 am

I have not said I don’t like them, what I don’t like is their attitude to public money. People who have to pay taxes to keep them in a manner to which they think they are entitled. Formerly, unmarried mothers had their children taken into care or mother and child were put in special council accommodation. This was cheaper as the state ensured all public money was… Read more »

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wightywight
Reply to  BRIAN
13, August 2012 10:46 am

@Brian: You make some extraordinary moral assumptions about people… if I were being cynical and ‘cute’ I’d say you portray the typical values and ideas of a conservative Daily Mail reader!! There can be little room for sensible discussion when you debvelop your own ideas into the world at large and around you. Conflating all sorts of complex social problems into narrow and biased assessments. The truth… Read more »

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steve s
13, August 2012 10:51 am

You’d take them all into care? But it costs significantly more than £25,000 pa to keep a single child in care. Would this represent the prudent and responsible economics that you advocate? This is quite apart from the other devastating social implications.

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BRIAN
13, August 2012 11:46 am

Wightywight, what a ridiculous notion you have. Of course there is society where people help each other. I am a volunteer for a well-known charity. But helping the less fortunate does not include those who put themselves in difficulties by choice or stupidity. The founding fathers of the welfare state (of which I support) did not envisage a situation where fellow citizens actively made it a life… Read more »

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hammerjammer
Reply to  BRIAN
13, August 2012 1:30 pm

What!!!!!! So a minor offence ends up with you in custody, leaving you unable to collect your kids. Then the other partner can’t get there in time and is also arrested and that’s what you want for our society. With this Govt cutting the budget massively of the Police and the recent report that thousands of crimes are going uninvestigated due to the under funding, and you… Read more »

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Cynic
Reply to  BRIAN
13, August 2012 4:30 pm

@Brian ” was listening to a BBC programme (Crossing Continents) when they were doing the unemployed in America. One man who had just lost his job was on his way to pick up his child from school when stopped by the police for a previous minor traffic fine which he hadn’t paid. He was now in a cell with his vehicle impounded. His wife was beside herself… Read more »

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peaceful_life
13, August 2012 12:03 pm

‘In the last budget, Osborne increased tax on tobbacco and booze and increased child benefit. Did it not occur to him that the increased child benefit would merely pay for the increase in the booze and fags?’ Tobbaco and alcohol sales contribute largely to GDP, think about that. We could discuss a myriad of social dynamics that perpetuate the staus quo, social engineering, debt based economics, lack… Read more »

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Janice
13, August 2012 1:51 pm

But if the IOW council is going to have a shortfall of something like £1.7m, the worry is that it will see the easiest option as putting up all council tax bills by an extra sum to “soak up” this loss. The council will also have to consider how far it is worth chasing the missing sum. Is it worth spending,say, £1.8m to recover £1.7m of debt?… Read more »

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wightywight
Reply to  Janice
13, August 2012 3:30 pm

@Janice: QUOTE: “But if the IOW council is going to have a shortfall of something like £1.7m, the worry is that it will see the easiest option as putting up all council tax bills by an extra sum to “soak up” this loss” Part of the *extra* (that is to say after the cuts…!) central government subsidy is made on the basis that local authorities do not… Read more »

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Retired hack
Reply to  wightywight
13, August 2012 7:11 pm

As I understand it, this central govt subsidy to stop CT rises ends at the end of this financial year. There’s a reference to it in next week’s IW Cabinet papers (today on VB). This implies a fairly steep rise ths year, though not necessarily in the IW.

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BRIAN
13, August 2012 4:07 pm

I have just got back from my shift at the charity so I will, for the benefit of Wightywight,hammerjammer, Steve S and George M put my politics on the table. 1 I do not read rags like the Mail,Sun or Express. 2 I have been a socialist all my life and a former member of the Labour Party until Blair ruined it: him being no more of… Read more »

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wightywight
Reply to  BRIAN
13, August 2012 5:48 pm

@Brian: Thank you for that …. I understand completely your disdain of those that cheat and lie and ‘scrounge’. It is probably fair to say many, many people of all persuasions also hold similar thoughts. I perhaps misunderstood your position. It seemed to me that you were expressing those views as the causes of the the economic woes…. if you are saying that is not the case… Read more »

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BRIAN
Reply to  wightywight
13, August 2012 6:26 pm

@ Wightywight.I agree re capitalism and McGregor. We had a large wall hanging in the union office with the badge of every mine closed. Re the charity work. Whereas charity should be in addition to state provision, the tories use it in place of. The cuts are designed to force the public sector down the road of privatisation. I also agree with your last paragraph.

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DAVE JONES
17, August 2012 1:35 pm

Brian; your previous post re where you stand was excellent. However, whilst I have every sympathy with the miners, the fact is that they were led up the garden path by Scargill. The fact is that the industry needed rationalising and you cannot just go on doing something the same way just because that’s the way it’s always been done (a similar situation exsisted in shipbuilding, where… Read more »

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