Council Responds On Libraries Legal Action

“Council believes its decision meets its statutory duty …”

VentnorBlog asked the Isle of Wight council for their reaction to the legal challenge that floated earlier this week accusing the council’s action on the Libraries were “unlawful”.

Here’s what we received from them late yesterday – Ed

IW Council chief executive Steve Beynon, said: “The council believes its decision meets its statutory duty to provide a comprehensive and efficient library service. Any libraries run by town and parish councils or community groups will enhance the council’s library provision above the statutory requirements.

“In reaching its decision on the future of the library service, the council took into account the needs of the local community.”

Wednesday, 16th March, 2011 10:23am

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lido

See you in court then…

playingthenumbers

Speaking of legal challenges, I hope that the busy legal team at CH have read last week’s (3/3/11) report on the local government lawyer website – Court of Appeal Quashes Decision to Terminate Teenager’s Looked After Child Status.

With the proposed changes to adult social care criteria coming into effect, my guess the legal department are going to earn their corn. (ironic, sarcastic laughter)

rosie
reasons as to why 5 of our libraries are to be closed was the accusation that they were under used, so what do you think… example niton.. issues visits 2005 16,513 6,684 2006 16,344 6,636 2007 16,628 7,055 2008 16,901 8,023 2009 16,525 7,880 2010 16,549 8,019 iwcc thinks these figures show why the library was chosen to close, it is up to niton residents now if… Read more »
Asite2c
Stop the hypocrisy and bull…t, resign, pack your bags and leave the IOW. I’ll even pay the boat fare. You and Pugh are ruining this island and islanders lives and the majority of people don’t want you here. Other than Pugh, you are probaly the most disliked person on the Isle of Wight so why do you bother staying. The obscene amount you are paid by the… Read more »
Asite2c

Take Pugh and the rest of the nasty scoundrels with you as well. You’re not wanted on this island.

cath

‘the majority of people don’t want you here’

I assume there was some sort of poll on this? When was this, I missed it.

Personally, I couldn’t care less about Mr Pugh, but find this sort of comment somewhat odd without anything to back it up.

Asite2c
Cath. I like to read your comments on VB although I’m beginning to wonder whether you are bit naive when commenting about Pugh and this awful council. Don’t forget these are the people that have power, make major decisions and are responsible for the future and well being of this island. I’m sure you wouldn’t like to see the island become a slum like type of place… Read more »
LooLoo

If Pugh and Benyon were popular on this island, why are there so few comments on VB in support of them? It is therefore safe to assume they are not wanted by the majority of islanders.

montana sliver

Save it for the Vine you poison dwarf as they have to put up with your bull, we don’t!

Rush

The council believes?

LooLoo

Rush. You should have added “their own lies” to your comment.

Rush

“The council believes”.Now Steve,can you now see, why The Council could be fighting a legal action?

wendy
took into account of community needs? ,then why are they closing them? is it only me or does that make no sense?surely community needs are not to have to travel to the main towns, pay fares, limit if they can even go if elderly, and struggle with young children and babies on buses.Let them try to get a young child, baby in pram on a bus with… Read more »
LooLoo

Even Whittaker could do a better job than Benyon and Pugh. At least he would have kept the toilets open.

DaveQ
Im not sure yet whether Steve Beynon is Pugh’s lapdog or vice versa. Anyone reading the full Inspectors report re the Wirral MBC attempt at closing libraries will see quite clearly that the IW Council have fallen into the same potholes (pun intended) as Wirral did, the only differences being that Wirral had the common sense to see that they were making a very expesive mistake. There… Read more »
Asite2c

Pugh does not reply to emails, return letters or even have surgeries with the people in his ward. I always thought councillors were were there to listen and represent the views and concerns of local people. Sadly they have now become little dictators and puppets of the Government and very seldom listen to the majority of views.

LooLoo

I doubt whether he knows hot to write emails and probably thinks a surgery is something you see in a hospital.

LooLoo

Following the above, I think Pugh enjoys being a councillor and council leader as it feeds his swelling ego. It also makes him feel important and makes up for failing at university.

N E
It’s quite upsetting to think that these idiots are starting to believe their own utterances. They clearly don’t care that no-one else outside their little fortress thinks they are anything other than self centred, hypocritical, monumentally selfish and incompetent loons. Phew! was wandering around M&S on Sunday with an inane leer on his face expecting people to swoon, film star-like, at his very presence and pour praise… Read more »
D'arcy
I visited Bembridge Library this morning and it was a hive of activity. Residents borrowing books, a couple of school parties learning about libraries, people using the IT facilities. It’s a total nonsense and tragedy to pull the plug on these well used and excellent facilities in the heart of the village. Come on IWC. It’s still not too late to see sense and reverse this decision… Read more »
Lilly
Perhaps we could call on the ConDem hypnotist who’s spell the IOW council leaders are under could be broken by waving a pocket watch in front of their eyes and uttering ‘its time to wake up, its time to wake up’. Listening to the local community is something they first need to attempt and then when they’ve grasped it continue practicing, if they’re to fulfill their own… Read more »
Janet
The councillors involved need to look again at the use of volunteers. They still believe that stamping out books and putting books on shelves is the only job of a librarian. What utter rubbish. I would suggest that the three main instigators of the closures ie Pugh, Brown and Beynon spend a day or two in Newport library. The so called community libraries will soon become unreliable… Read more »
D'arcy

All agreed, but don’t knock 55 per cent which is is a fantastic figure when you consider the relatively cheap price of many books to buy and of course the internet. I bet not many other libraries in England reach those levels yet are still considered successful!

Janet

I wasn’t knocking the 55% – I think its great and goes to prove a point re the number of libraries required
This number could increase with the education reorganisation if schools do not have comprehensive libraries

Lilly

Fancy a voluntary job share with me Janet for Steve or Dave’s job?

DaveQ

Poor David Pugh, with this item and its comments and the Legal Challenge item and its comments, his bedtime reading will read like a horror story to him. I hope he has nightmares!!!!!

allan marsh

could someone tell me if Mr Beynon lives on the island ,or is he taking our money and spend it somewhere else ,bit like a nondom tax exile

LooLoo
Benyon does mot care about ruining this island or the well being of islanders lives. He reminds of a headmaster from years ago that used to get pleasure out of causing pain by caning and wacking young school boys. All he is really concerned about is the amount of money he earns and living a life of luxury. He is not even from the Isle of Wight… Read more »
Sandown Sally

Oh dear, they are going to spend a lot of time in court these idiots. Any news on David Pugh’s legal action against Miss Dennett yet? It’s been a few weeks

It does seem those who said parishes taking on libraries were playing right into the iw councils hands were right. I hope not

wabbit

Hi Sandown Sally.
If Miss Dennett has a mortgage,life insurance,home insurance or anything like that they generally have a legal cost policy in it.My one is for some huge law firm in London,they recently won a high profile case.I looked into it just to save a few quid on a policy,have not changed the policy!!!!

watchdog

You have to remember that even if a legal challenge on behalf of the community were to win against the IW Council, guess who pays the Council’s costs (win or lose). That’s right, you and me. It’s what you call adding insult to injury.

wabbit
Its becoming more of a hate relationship.I accept that as a nation we do need to cut back.David Pugh has obviously taken this onboard,rather than skimming the fat off in certain areas seems to be happy with the machete approach.The cuts are deemed by the public to be a bit strong and opinions have been made about it.The public on the Island are now standing up against… Read more »
Sandown Sally

Yes wabbit, but Pugh’s tory council mates are still backing him, as long as he keeps the support of those councillor’s, he’s safe and can ignore everybody else.

Asite2c
If there is anybody out there working for the council and has knowledge about anything scandalous going on at County Hall or corruption and wrong doing by Tory Councillors or executives, please expose it by sending an email to Simon or Sally at the Ventnor Blog. Your identity and email address will be 100% safe and never put on their site. If you have something revealing to… Read more »
playingthenumbers
Adding to the theme, I suppose it’s too late for some, (County Hubris) to consider the price? Obviously the legal bills will be high, but what about the damage to the authority’s credit rating – currently AA3 with Moodys & the main retail banks who would lend the Council up to £4m in loans or £250k as an overdraft (HSBC is not on the approved list of… Read more »
lido

Volunteering one’s time surely has a financial worth so offering money in leiu of time is fair enough. Maybe doing both is better?

As the IWC will retain ownership of the asset, I would accept the declarion of interest in good faith.

retired hack
There’s an important contradiction in Council policy implicit in Beynon’s statement which they need to be challenged on. George Brown, in his report to full council in January, mentioned almost in passing that volunteer libraries would not be able to charge for the loan of books, because that would contravene the Libraries Act. Now Beynon is saying they’re not relying on the volunteer libraies to help them… Read more »
library fan

Good question, especially as Niton library is apparently suggesting a voluntary contribution of £10; is a request for finacial contributions legal when the free library service is supposed to be comprehensive?

Asite2c

It just proves they tell lies, use propaganda and bullying tactics regarding the running of public services.

DaveQ

Leigh Day are quite specific, it is the duty of the Local Authority to supply the library service and to delegate this to Parish Councils or voluntary groups is illegal under the 1964 Act.

retired hack
Dave: Leigh Day clearly intend to argue that most or all of the present libraries need to continue in order for the Council to meet its statutory obligations. I hope that argument is successful. Equally, though, it seems that Beynon is now saying: “Our legal advice is that Newport and Ryde, and also possibly some other libraries which will stay council-run, are sufficient to meet our legal… Read more »
Janet

Shanklin have also put up their precept by £5 in order to maintain the library in its present form and home so we are paying for a service which we already pay for
Surely this is not legal – would you pay for your groceries twice – I think not

LooLoo

What does Benyon take the island people for. Just because we live on an island, he seems to think we are stupid village idiots and prepared to sit back and believe his nauseating bull.

For God’s sake Benyon, give us a break by going back to where you came from and don’t forget to take the puppet with you.

Haulage Bob

You ‘ave to remember Benyon has spent most of his working life talking to kids in his primary school. It’s obviously an ‘ard ‘abit to break. They tend not to answer back either, if they do, you can pop ’em int corner, outside the ‘eadmasters office or ont naughty step :)

DaveQ

From his record of performance as our CEO, I wouldn’t employ him as a primary school classroom assistant- and before the wise guys get going, I am retired secondary school teacher qualified to teach Physics, Chemistry and Computer Science.

montana sliver

Ripping the heart out of our communities in the name of a Big Society?
Six decades of investment and diligence ruthlessly plundered by Pugh, Brown and Beynon.

Hang your heads in shame and go you are not welcome here!

Asite2c

The so called Big Society is really the Big Brother Society and is just one word short of the truth.

Asite2c

Following the comment above, decision makers like Benyon and Pugh are just puppets of the type of society written and forecasted by George Orwell in his book, 1984.

LooLoo

I sometimes wonder whether many of our polticians and decision makers in this country have learnt how to use the propaganda ideas of Goebells. I’ve studied many books about the Third Reich and some of the propaganda that was used by the Nazis reminds me of the stuff being used today.

DaveQ

At least Dr Goebels actually believed what he was saying, the Toty propaganda machine are such bad liars that we all know that they don’t believe it themselves!

DaveQ

At least Dr Goebels actually believed what he was saying, the Tory propaganda machine are such bad liars that we all know that they don’t believe it themselves!

DaveQ

Apoogies for the last, it should have read “Dr Goebbels believed that what he was doing was right, whereas our Tory liars are so bad that they cannot cover the fact that even they do not believe in the correctness of their own actions”.
Not fully awake yet- its been a long few days.

mark francis
I wanted to find an internet cafe in Shanklin & was told “Go to the Library- oh no, you can’t cos its Tuesday”. The only one I can find not in a library is in Newport. My understanding from the Wirral case is that the council has to do a proper survey & consultation as to whether they meet a statutory minimum. Presumably until now they “believe”… Read more »
mark francis

I’ve studied books too – LIBRARY BOOKS!
-looks like they’ll be putting a stop to that then…