IW Council: Isle of Wight PFI ‘Unaffected’

The Isle of Wight council distributed the following statement earlier today after Chancellor George Osborne said he has announced a “fundamental reassessment” of the use of PFI. It’s in the council’s words – Ed.

Road to the distanceCouncillor Edward Giles, Isle of Wight Council cabinet member responsible for highways said “We have spoken to government this morning and can confirm that schemes currently in procurement – such as ours – are unaffected by this announcement. As a result, work on the scheme continues.

“Been liaising closely with Government”
“The Island Highways PFI scheme was re-assessed and approved by the Treasury in October last year. Since then, we have been liaising closely with government and the potential scheme partners to ensure the project continues to offer excellent value for money for all taxpayers. We will, in accordance with the PFI process, be expected to demonstrate this value for money before financial close.

“The state of the Island’s highways network is regularly highlighted by residents as an issue of major concern. Anyone familiar with Island roads will be very aware of the need to dramatically improve them. The highways PFI will bring, in the form of government grant, the required multi-million inward investment required to at last bring the network up to unprecedented standards. Overall, the scheme will generate around £800 million for the Island’s economy. I am sure most people welcome that particularly in these difficult economic times.”

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Mr Justice
15, November 2011 6:33 pm

So despite their own Chancellor, admitting the model is flawed and far too expensive, Dave and Eddie remain fans and fully committed.

I am I the only one to find this absolutely astonishing? Where on earth do these people get their brazen misplaced confidence?

Asite2c
Reply to  Mr Justice
16, November 2011 3:00 pm

Pugh and Giles remind me of a couple of fools who have been conned into putting all their wages and savings on a lame, or hopeless horse in the Grand National.

playingthenumbers
15, November 2011 6:33 pm

How will it generate money, any money let alone the £800m? What will be produced & who is doing the production to generate this cash? What surplus value can be passed on, resold and where’s the added value? Unless of course Edward ‘scissor-hands’ Giles is referring to the Gov’s non-existent taxpayers’ money, (sorry the money the gov will need to borrow), which is then given to a… Read more »

no.5
Reply to  playingthenumbers
15, November 2011 7:27 pm

800million…isn’t that whay people call a ‘lie’?

m butcher
15, November 2011 7:36 pm

Which beach do the counciluse,to stick there heads in.The saying finger pies ,comes to mind

daveq
Reply to  m butcher
16, November 2011 11:44 am

I can think of a far more appropriate word to replace pies- but if I used it here I’d be censored!

adrian nicholas
15, November 2011 7:46 pm

Absolute B*ll*x as usual from Ed Giles re- PFI. Today see; http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/finance/cbi-backs-government-pfi-probe/6519029.article However, would in reality expect, less obvious scam re-emerge under new ‘PFI’ name so debts for LAs and housing sector offered no real choice for loans -as currently new 25 yr loans now attracting higher tenfold interest and re-pricing renegotiation every 5 yrs – this was announced by Santander & RBS at weekend. PFI is… Read more »

Asite2c
15, November 2011 8:18 pm

Is there a brick wall at the end of the road in the photo at the top?

john
15, November 2011 11:59 pm

So what brilliant ideas do you have to fix the Island roads that are in such a dire state because the council could not afford to maintain them for the last 20,25,30 years? What miracle solution do you have that nobody else has thought of?? It may be expensive for the tax payers of the nation, but this is a good deal for Islanders. I await your… Read more »

zoiner
Reply to  john
16, November 2011 12:42 am

As long as you snuff it before you have to pay the bill.

No.5
Reply to  john
16, November 2011 1:10 am

nonsense ..the council has had plenty of money to spend on the roads..it just chose not to…

What I would do would be to spend the budget on the roads and actually do it properly, with the money already allocated.

PFI is a disaster…the only people it will help are the council, who have underfunded roads for decades and need PFI to bail them out.

Steve Goodman
Reply to  john
16, November 2011 2:06 am

John; you are in luck: the late hour & some good grog have conspired to produce an undeserved approval tick! Having so shocked myself back into an acceptable state of wakefulness, I believe I am able to respond sensibly. Brilliance, miracles, & new ideas are unneccessary; here’s the brief history lesson: 1. The poor state of our roads is due in part to the council’s decision to… Read more »

playingthenumbers
Reply to  john
16, November 2011 10:46 am

John, laying prone & consenting to what amounts to a massive violation is not really the position to adopt. If one doesn’t want to become a slave to the markets, one shouldn’t borrow from them. However, if you think the rewards justify the risk of perpetual servitude, maybe you should ask the people taking the risk first? Nobody ever denied that the PFI project would be more… Read more »

Julie
16, November 2011 8:18 am

Payday loan scheme. The Treasury Select Committee’s report a few months ago found that, on average, for every £1m borrowed with a PFI, £1.7m would have to be paid back. Not a good loan.

Rowan
16, November 2011 9:34 am

I’d advise councillors to have the courage to say sorry, we got it wrong – paying very high interest rates to repair our roads is not good value for money. The media (I include some bloggers like many here on Ventnor Blog) may be viciously unforgiving, and give politicians a hard time for changing their minds, but intelligent brave people are prepared to put up with that… Read more »

Another West Wight resident
Reply to  Rowan
16, November 2011 9:50 am

Rowan. You are talking rubbish. The Council does not have to pay interest as the money it gets from the government is a grant, not a loan. So no interest and nothing to pay back. In addition the council will be paying less for the services it currently provides so all in all a great deal for the Island.

Mr Sandown Sally
Reply to  Another West Wight resident
16, November 2011 10:00 am

Sir, West Wight resident, you are wrong. The council spends nothing like the amount it will have to spend under PFI. The government grant is taxpayers money, a tiny proportion of the whole cost. The contractor borrows the money – from investors who may be banks. The lure for them is the up to 40% return on their investment. The problem with PFI, identified by George Osbourne,… Read more »

Another West Wight resident
Reply to  Mr Sandown Sally
16, November 2011 10:13 am

Sandown Sally. It is you who is wrong, not me. As the Council have made clear they are currently spending over £8 million a year on the services they will pass over to the PFI contractor. They will be paying the contractor substantially less than £8 million for those services, hence my assertion that the council will be paying less than it currently does.The government grant is… Read more »

playingthenumbers
Reply to  Another West Wight resident
16, November 2011 11:41 am

AWWR, the council’s own figures for first year; £9 million – £8.3m to scheme + £0.7m local authority administration of the scheme. Ongoing minimum unity charge (council tax) commitment of 2.5%. The contractor will be expected to borrow (in the OBC) £105m. PFI interest rates are between 2.5% & 3.5% above interbank rate, which has risen consistently over last 3 months to around 1% above BoE. Therefore… Read more »

Mr Sandown Sally
Reply to  Another West Wight resident
16, November 2011 12:22 pm

George Osbourne DOES think the PFI is wasteful. He’s allowing ours to proceed because they already said it could go ahead. If he told them to stop, IWC would ask him for the millions wasted to be repaid.

What does Osbourne really care if Islanders are bankrupted for 25 years? Like Pugh and Giles, he won’t be around to face the disasterous consequences.

No.5
Reply to  Another West Wight resident
17, November 2011 1:46 am

This council has never spent 8 million on road…its own figure clarify this….and if you think PFI is such a great idea why nor tell Cameron and the Government..who disagree with you.

Asite2c
Reply to  Another West Wight resident
16, November 2011 11:59 am

If PFI is such a good idea, then why are NHS Trusts facing crippling debts from signing up to the scheme.

Rowan
Reply to  Another West Wight resident
16, November 2011 11:10 pm

Sorry, but the whole point of PFI for the private ‘investors’ is that we then pay them back – with interest. I wouldn’t credit people acting out of political motivation with being rational – ideology rules, not evidence – so whatever George Osborne says is not evidence. But people working in businesses are rational when it comes to money. They can see that PFI is an opportunity… Read more »

No.5
Reply to  Another West Wight resident
17, November 2011 1:49 am

PFi Good…Baaaaaa
PFI Good..Baaaaaa

want to buy a timeshare in Spain

zoiner
Reply to  Another West Wight resident
17, November 2011 11:09 am

“Grant”?? Strange isn’t it that one piece of free-loading sponging, rather than budgeting correctly, is called a “Grant” while someone making a false claim for disability benefit is heavily vilified! (Think about it – the council is trying to get cash from someone else because they want to blow the money they should spend on roads, infrastructure and services {all of which helps the local economy and… Read more »

rea
16, November 2011 10:41 am

Rowan is absolutely right when he says that some people on here are ‘viciously unforgiving’. Even when councillors have tried to apologise for their mistakes, it’s never good enough for some. I would also urge the council to give up on the PFI scheme and look for a better alternative, but I would also urge people to give them a chance to put right what they got… Read more »

biggmarket
Reply to  rea
16, November 2011 12:09 pm

Rowan You say when people on the Island wake up to the “true costs” of the PFI Councillors will lose their seats. I seem to recall similar confident predictions about the Tories losing control in the 2009 election following proposed school changes(don’t blame me I didn’t vote for Pugh and Co.). Reading some comments on here gives the inpression that there are people who still can’t accept… Read more »

playingthenumbers
Reply to  biggmarket
16, November 2011 3:04 pm

Biggmarket, you don’t appear to know your gluteal from the articulatio cubiti either. The ins & out of PFI are where the problems lay. On by-elections, as stated previously, why would anyone waste their money standing in a single seat mid-term election that does not affect anything; adjusts not a jot the balance of power? The executive cabinet at County Hall has seen to it that there… Read more »

DH
16, November 2011 12:10 pm

I’m going to start a scheme – Islanders empowering Islanders – to generate funds to repair our roads. You give me £500 and then get a bunch of friends to give me £500 and promise one day they will get £50,000 back…

Sheesh…

Oh, and +1 on what Rowan said…

Julie
16, November 2011 12:40 pm

Everyone – it’s George OSBORNE (no “U” – like OsborneHouse here on the island, not like Ozzy Osbourne)…. Just FYI…

Mr Sandown Sally
16, November 2011 12:46 pm

Who cares. We know who they’re on about. Don’t you have anything constructive to say Julee?

Julie
Reply to  Mr Sandown Sally
16, November 2011 1:03 pm

Yes – I posted earlier re: payday loan scheme! Don’t be what might be construed in print as inappropriate !

adrian nicholas
16, November 2011 2:12 pm

Why should IW Highways PFI be any different from any other existing PFI model? – since clearly in its element composition and bond issue to raise private capital it is clearly not any different as a basic model. Even though i am personally no fan of the CBI, Nevertheless, yesterday; ‘The CBI has backed the government’s decision to review the use of the private finance initiative in… Read more »

Wight Essence
16, November 2011 5:41 pm

In my opinion the council are only going ahead with this PFI nonsence to save face. They have probably spent a lot of council tax payers money on consultants, meetings and developing the policy and feel it would be extremely embarassing to do a U turn as it would give the impression of pouring money down the drain.

No.5
Reply to  Wight Essence
16, November 2011 5:44 pm

The Council have no choice other than to continue PFI…they have emptyed the pot and done nothing with the money….PFI is their only parachute

Wight Essence
Reply to  No.5
16, November 2011 6:05 pm

Exactly. They’ve cut the highways budget over the last 6 years, wasted the money and now find themselves in a situation where they’re having to defend a flawed scheme even Cameron, Osbourne and the government are against.

Rowan
Reply to  Wight Essence
16, November 2011 11:19 pm

I think that’s exactly it, Wight Essence. When people feel their backs are against the wall and everybody’s having a go at them, they may just dig their heels in and refuse to change, just to save face and try to keep some dignity. So that’s why I think we should try to be more respectful and positive in our reactions to politicians. The more we have… Read more »

john
16, November 2011 10:43 pm

So, Just as I thought, no sensible alternatives – just more ill informed speculation and lack of reality from the VB left wing ‘think tank’

noname
Reply to  john
16, November 2011 11:21 pm

the sensible alternative is for government to give this money to the council and the council to simply do the job themselves. Except of course most of the money would get wasted. But then, who cares. I just want some decent roads, I dont really care how its paid for. One good way to save money though might be to spend more on decent materials instead of… Read more »

Rowan
Reply to  john
16, November 2011 11:22 pm

What would be so difficult about raising money from taxation from the people who’ve got enough money to be able to afford it, and then using that money to benefit all of us, including not just most of us on average or below-average incomes, but the rich people as well?

Why couldn’t we have a Robin Hood tax?
See http://robinhoodtax.org/

Wight Essence
Reply to  john
17, November 2011 12:35 am

I would like to know why you think PFI would benefit the island even though the scheme is proving to be a disaster for many NHS Trusts and other PFI projects.

What has oposition to PFI got to do with left wing ideology when a right wing Prime Minister and Chancellor are not in favour of the scheme either.

No.5
Reply to  john
17, November 2011 1:41 am

and more numpty comments from the Right Wing ostrich

Steve Goodman
Reply to  john
17, November 2011 5:14 am

Poor John: some of us are trying to help you, but you could do more to help yourself. Firstly, try to understand that wishing to be careful with my money does not make me one of your feared left-wingers; it makes me sensible. (And just in case your prejudice is worse than it appears, it doesn’t make me Scottish either.) Secondly, responding to numerous serious concerns by… Read more »

Braveheart
16, November 2011 11:08 pm

As most of the roads on the Island are in such a shocking state and the Council cannot afford the cost within their budget to repair them, perhaps it would be far better if they just tore them all up and each year resurface them with sand. It would definitely help them to save costs each autumn and winter on purchasing costly salt and running expensive gritting… Read more »

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