Joe Barnes: Love won’t pay the bills

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As someone who makes music and grew up on a remote part of an already cut-off Island I have noticed an on-going theme. Bands, DJs and MCs are “not being paid enough”. This has been quoted by nearly all the working artists in this area at different times.

For starters we know that the Island is a low wage area, so we have to except we won’t get as much pay as an inner city artist.

Thriving music scene?
Never the less, you would think that with two major festivals here and a few micro-festivals springing up there would be some kind of thriving music scene?

WRONG! There is a ridiculous amount of creative talent here, just no REAL live venues of any capacity. This is due to strict council laws, which to me seem crazy – as they let over 50,000 people converge on the capital in one weekend – but licensing a live venue has some kind of red tape area that only a council could dream up.

Some venues make it hard
Many venues that do host bands, not only have no in-house P.A system (of any use) but some of them make it so hard to put on a show – expecting bands to do everything from sound engineering to promoting.

This seems a real shame considering the quality live acts we have, hence the lack in a music scene.

As a song writer myself, I feel this is a massive injustice to music! By devaluing an artist like they have, also makes the artist doubt and devalue themselves.

We are talking about an area that has produced bands like The Bees and Level 42 and hosted the legendary 1970 pop festival.

Inevitably Island artists will have to move to bigger populated areas to really succeed, but they also need to believe in themselves to make those kind of moves.

We’re all to blame
Now I am going to randomly point the finger, without mentioning names, because in this case we all are to blame.

The festivals and venues for expecting artists to keep playing “for the love of it” year- in, year-out. The artists for agreeing to keep going out for little, to no money and the punters for always wanting a free ride.

I have even heard rumours of Island bands being taught to undercut other bands just to get stage time!

Stronger together
Which brings me to my next subject “competition”. There is nothing wrong with a little friendly competition, every musical movement has it, but you need to have access to the stage to showcase a movement don’t you?

Not just two major festivals a year and the other 363 days spent waiting!

Us artists have to set goals and work towards them, nothing happens overnight and if you think some major label A&R is going stumble across you playing your local pub and sign you, you’re in a deep sleep, dreaming!

What I would like to see is the independence we’ve all learnt as rejected artists put to good use. Host your own events, don’t see the next band, DJ or MC as competition, but as equals, who love and want the same things you do – then the real evaluation begins.

Respect starts within
We would all like to be paid to do what we love, if I loved my day job I wouldn’t be writing this! But to get paid, you have to be respected and respect is not earned by being a ‘yes man’ or feeding off scraps.

Respect starts within. If you were asked to work your day job for less money than last week, you’d feel demoralised, so why play for the glory of a cheer from a crowd that may not be as loud as you hoped, only to walk away out of pocket?

We have to draw a line in the sand and personally I’d rather freestyle with others into the same music as me, than play for scraps and watch others profit off our backs!

Should you confuse me for some capitalist driven sell-out who should do it for the love and not the money “fair play”, but love won’t pay the bills will it?

Image: © Zinzi Graham

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No.5
2, September 2012 2:28 am

Some very good points here, but some also that need answering. The Island has a lack of good music venues….why? because people (the audience) can’t be bothered to support them…not that the venues can’t be bothered. A few years ago a friend and I invested a fairly hefty wad pf money in a Newport Venue with the idea of providing a first rate music venue with the… Read more »

Mark L Francis
2, September 2012 9:54 pm

In my day we had La Babalu before Level 42 began playing lift music – throwing beer glasses at the stage, when they were not too proud to throw them back and the Damned smashed up Ryde Town Hall.

Happy days…although maybe that’s why they are not available as venues anymore(apart from being Tescos).

Mark L Francis
Reply to  Mark L Francis
2, September 2012 10:19 pm

…and you try telling the young folk of today – with their crazy rhythms of yer Gareth Gates, yer Jamie Cullum and yer Michael Buble – and they won’t believe you.

hermit
2, September 2012 10:40 pm

Difficult one this, I’ve played, and still play at all kinds of different levels, from pub gigs to 30,40,000 plus, and I’m lucky to be an anonymous part of bigger bands. The Island just will not recognise the effort put in of bands rehearsing, learning, travelling, petrol, publicising, and then trying to get the public in to the venue. If I stuck to MU rates I couldn’t… Read more »

wightywight
3, September 2012 8:23 am

You seem to have wrapped everything up into one big mess….It isn’t like that and has never been. Chiefly, one event that has impacted live music is the single Licensing Act 2003 which came into force in November 2005. There are proposals to change the Licensing requirements for venues with under 200 people capacity but that has not happened yet. Those venues that held annual licences prior… Read more »

Wight Portal
Reply to  wightywight
3, September 2012 11:38 am

I’ve been playing in different bands since the mid to late 80’s and the pay from pubs and clubs hasn’t changed in all that time. We actually make more busking for 2 or 3 hours than we can get from the pubs. Apathy along with the loss of the best venues like the Lakeside in Wootton, Ryde Pavilion, Shanklin Pier has killed live music. Everything we do… Read more »

No.5
3, September 2012 11:02 am

I know a whole load of ‘Hotel’ entertainers that work 6 nights a week for £80/£100 a night….not bad for a couple of hours work

Wight Portal
Reply to  No.5
3, September 2012 11:42 am

The performance maybe a couple of hours, but the practice the mending of gear, the transporting of the same. You don’t see the big picture.

No.5
Reply to  Wight Portal
5, September 2012 2:58 pm

course I see the big picture…a laptop, an amp some lights and a couple of Peavys in the boot, 1o minutes set up and £500/week…its not bad…every gig is practice, not that the sets change

Wight Portal
Reply to  No.5
7, September 2012 8:57 am

You can’t compare a solo outfit with a band.

wightywight
Reply to  No.5
4, September 2012 1:22 pm

Right…. we probably *know* the ones you’re talking about…anyone in the ‘business’ will know who does what and where… so, let’s be clear, hotels offering six nights a week won’t be paying £100 a night. For a ‘residency’ like that you’d be getting £50 – £60 a night. One off’s in hotels, ok, between £80 – £100. Sounds great…? That’s during the season. 4 months tops for… Read more »

No.5
Reply to  wightywight
5, September 2012 3:04 pm

The majority of Hotels in Sandown and Shanklin are open all year…Ok you may not get paid as much out of season for some gigs….most of the people who do those gigs don’t cut it in Pubs so there is already a division of venues…I can name 20 pubs on the Island that have live music at least twice a week…paying between £160 and £200 for a… Read more »

wightywight
Reply to  No.5
10, September 2012 9:36 am

@ No 5: ????? what hotels in sandown and shanklin run regular nights of music for groups? At any time of the year? As we all know, they are ‘coach’ destinations out of season carrying mainly retired people who, frankly, don’t want loud music playing at anytime. Solo acts, yeah… they sometimes put them on during the week. £60 tops, in money. I’m struggling with the 20… Read more »

Joebarnes29
5, September 2012 12:05 pm

My reasons for writing this article were not to prolong an already exhausted argument between venues and musicians! Although I agree with comments on both sides. I myself have travelled the country with my act gigging in loads of different cities, each venue has had, either a sound system and engineer, or the promoter has provided both for the night, we send them our TECH SPEC which… Read more »

Don Smith
10, September 2012 12:23 am

Dear wightywight.

Please use paragraphs when you write.
It would make your interesting comments easier on the eye.

wightywight
Reply to  Don Smith
10, September 2012 9:39 am

@Don Smith:

Hi Don,

I did try!!
I think the ‘new’ small text box into which we type is misleading and gives a false sense of how it actually gets published. The answer, of course, is to lay the post out in word and copy & paste it into the text box…
Happy you find some of the comments “interesting”…. ;0)

WW

brian
10, September 2012 7:53 am

As a member of the public who, with my wife, eats out in various pubs regularly, my observations on the above posts may not prove popular. On occasions we have booked a table over the phone unaware that live music is also playing that evening. We now ask first before we book. Many people go out for a meal only to have normal conversation drowned out by… Read more »

Dane Kays
10, September 2012 8:41 am

@Brian, just because a job is advertised @ £10.26 per hour doesn’t mean they’ll get anybody applying. Indeed if any teacher/lecturer values their expertise @ only £10.26 per hour they do not have a high opinion of themselves nor their work!

ps back in the late 80’s IWCAT paid more than that!

brian
Reply to  Dane Kays
10, September 2012 10:02 am

I agree Dane, I certainly would not apply but the college must think people will do it otherwise they would not risk paying hundreds for the ad for no response. Possibly they already have people working for that rate. You are also correct with your remark about perception of themselves. It never ceases to amaze me that educated people will actually demean themselves by working for such… Read more »

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