Live Coverage of Cabinet Meeting (update 5)

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Live Coverage of Cabinet Meeting (update 2) Please refresh / reload your browser to see the latest updates. We will endeavour to report presentations and discussions as accurately as possible. Text surrounded by () signifies VB’s comments. [17:54] Chamber filling up. 150-200 people outside in the pre-meeting protest

(How lovely, Roger Mazillius is here)

This is the most heavily attended Cabinet meeting I’ve ever seen [18:00] And we’re off. Cllr Pugh opening the meeting

Public questions: Three written

Mr Millar of Cowes: skipped not present

Lady walked into the chamber – criticised the council and walked out

Mrs Joyce Bogoni (President of the Fair Haven Housing Trust): Meadow Brook stay open while personal budgets? Will there be personal budgets at care homes?

Cllr Cousins: Care homes – no. Not how gov want it to work. Meadow Brook – Will be in the hands of the people who run it

Mrs Bogoni: Just want to be assured

Cllr Pugh: We not making final decisions tonight

Naomi Somerville (Supporting People Provider): £1.9m fund currently ring fenced. What’s happened to it and its interest? IWC say Hostel is its highest priority. Von. resident are at risk at losing funding, due to loss of accommodation.

Cllr Cousins: £1.9m We’ve been advised now that there is no restrictions on it now. Being used to deliver services via Adult Services

2nd answer: Floating services – needs to be viewed against all expenditure needs. Hostel + Sheltered

Q: Music service cuts. Low income families will be hit by cuts. A significant number of people won’t be able to afford music lessons. Can you reconsider reinstating music service budget?

A: This is a schools based service. It’s the right time for them to pick up their duty. While the schools are being reorganised, it’s ideal timing.

Cllr Pugh: End of questions

Lady: I’m not going to listen to that. People there have been crying. What are you going to do about it?

(Massive applause from the audience – first of the night)

Cllr Pugh: Thanks for that. No decisions made yet

(On with the meeting)

This is the hardest budget we’ve had to make. Priorities guided us. Statutory restrictions on us. None of the decisions have been made lightly. I want to stress that these are proposals. Full council on 24 Feb will make the decisions. Clearly are different opinions between elected members. Meeting with professional bodies + others. People making representations will be listened to. Last year’s budget we changed things just before the Full Council on the basis of feedback. I understand that we need to explain the rational behind these ideas. Would welcome feedback from union officials. Unison meeting next week. Professional bodies speaking to us too, as well as user groups. Meeting with some of them over the coming weeks. Some of these proposal are unpalatable, so are many that we’ve rejected. We’re planning on increasing spend on Adult services by £2m (is this linked to the £1.9 just released?)

We’re determined to make the right decisions for the Island. Local authorities across the country are having to make cuts too. National cuts will affect services (get the feeling this is speaking about years ahead)

Cllr Bingham: There’s difficulties across the UK. We must produce a balanced budget. There’s £11.4m shortfall (Not sure why this has dropped from the £11.6m as before)

A lot of what he’s saying was noted in the Overview + Scrutiny meeting.

Core services are most vulnerable

Put it forward for acceptance. We are on a journey

Cllr Brown: asked a question about damping

Cllr Lumley: I’ve had no consultation on these proposals. This is a Conservative proposal. I will prepare an alternative budget.

I will not close services with telling them.

(Applause from gallery)

[18:45] Update 1
Cllr Bacon: Speaking as chair of scrutiny. We only had an hour to look at papers before scrutiny. I hope you’ve got a Minute of the notes we made. I’ll highlight only two items now.

1 – Support for tourism. Not cut, but how little is spent on it. Lack of imagination.

2 – Cuts that will affect vulnerable people the biggest concern. The Supporting People funding in particular. Disclose that I’m a trustee of Law Centre.

Cap Gemini report: Big impact beyond cuts. Officers have told me that £3m cut will lead to a loss of £11.5m of impact. CEO Beynon said last Friday that impact would be restricted.

If 1/4 of the (£11.5m) costs come back to the council, the saving would be wiped out.

Floating Services are by their nature, the more vulnerable of the Island. An answer on Westminster House? I urge you to reconsider

[18:50] Update 2
Cllr Pugh: Phased introduction. Those with the greatest need dealt with first. We’ll be listening to people.

Westminster House clarification – will continue to operate normally until the Full Council.

IWC owns the building and there are no covenants restricting the sale of the building.

Cllr Brown: Thanks for raising Tourism. 3.Feb meeting has full presentation. Far from a lack of creativity.

Cllr Mazillius: Welcome comments from Cllr Lumley on budget. Note Independent body working closely with him. Senior officers have been made available.

(Hisses from balcony)

[19:00] Update 3
Cllr Stephens: We will be aligning with Geoff Lumley for independent budget. Parking permits: Voluntary sector needs to be considered separately.

Cllr Churchman: Parking charges. Some older people might give up the car for the bus – bigger impact on concessionary fares.

Cllr Lumley: To Mazillius, These cuts have never been discussed with the opposition. I think you’re trying to distort. My relationship with officers.

(Vote now)

7 votes in favour

(Talk of a shorter list of cuts)

(Suggest looking at meeting notes for tonights meeting)

[19:14] Update 4
Rural school discussions
Cllr Pugh: (Giving background) Withdraw the closure notices and hard federate.

32. Option C – Withdraw the notices for the discontinuance of Chillerton & Rookley Primary School, Godshill Primary School and Wroxall Primary School, the Isle of Wight Council proposal for the new ‘Rural’ Primary School and therefore the Competition for the new ‘Rural’ Primary School and commence a new process to increase the upper age limit of Chillerton & Rookley Primary School, Godshill Primary School and Wroxall Primary School, including a six week consultation and publication of statutory notices, subject to a hard federation between the three schools. This option contains the minimal risk. There is a risk that this option will cause some adverse publicity in areas of the media and amongst other interested parties. There is also a risk that a decision to withdraw the notices may be subject to legal challenge. However, given the outcome of the open discussion with the OSA, following the receipt of their 5 January 2010 letter, and the support of the three schools involved, this possibility is considered to be small. There is sufficient time to complete the process by September 2010. There is a cost attached to the need to re-consult but this will be minimal.

It’s not on Forward Plan as unexpected decision.

Cllr Bingham: Chair of Governors of Chillerton & Rookley – asked me to speak, supporting it.

Cllr Cousins: Accept and Agree.

Cllr Downer: Spoke to Governors at Wroxhall and Godshill. Support it. There’s no space at Godshill. Funding will be made available and property services are looking for space for us.

(Last one Cllr Pugh answer)

[19:20] Update 5
Cllr Welsford: Cllr Pugh, you said you’d taken views into account. Chale might differ with that.

Cllr Pugh: We’ve listened, but we can’t always act.

On Chale: Given a further opportunity to federate. Asked to let us know as of yesterday, but we’ve heard nothing back from them.

Vote: 7 votes in favour.

Consideration of Forward Plan
Written Qs: Percentage of support grant from the government.

Revenue support grant. 5 – 6 % increase first two. Then went down to 3.9%. (Too many figures)

Cllr Barry: Would you not say that we’ve done well against other councils?

Cllr Bingham: Similar figures, but greater damping.

(Ended)

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Andrew
9, February 2010 7:10 pm

“Lady walked into the chamber – criticised the council and walked out”

Superb!

Craighy
9, February 2010 7:32 pm

Thanks VB for the live report – I take it that’s the end of the meeting then?

Sally Perry
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Reply to  Craighy
9, February 2010 7:35 pm

Thanks Craighy – yep meeting over.

Shobba
9, February 2010 7:40 pm

Highlight was the lady walking in critcising and walking out! When the schools closures were first mooted I noted a fairly heavy police prescence at County Hall. ‘Democracy in action’ I assumed. No doubt as this council declines further and faster we’ll see a lot more police officers in the chamber.

Wendy
9, February 2010 7:56 pm

Thanks again for great coverage of the meeting.

Gruntled of Bembridge
9, February 2010 8:24 pm

I went, for my sins, remarkably the budget “proposals” were passed by 7 votes in favour, none against and no abstentions. Democracy is great innit? By the way the lady who refused to shut up and complained about the closure of Westminster House is (was) a service user of that wonderful establishment.

Good reporting from VB yet again, thanks.

Cllr Geoff Lumley (Labour)
Reply to  Gruntled of Bembridge
9, February 2010 9:56 pm

Voting not remarkable at all. Just what has been happening at Cabinet meetings since 2005, where there is no dissent and I am often a lone voice of opposition to this Council leadership. Would be good to see tonight’s level of interest at every meeting. Then we might get rid of this heartless bunch in 2013. As for one Cabinet member allegedly wringing their hands over the… Read more »

Rush
Reply to  Cllr Geoff Lumley (Labour)
10, February 2010 4:02 am

The Cabinet member concerned is not in charge, and should stand up for the vulnerable people its part of their duty or RESIGN IN PROTEST.

Rush
Reply to  Rush
10, February 2010 4:58 am

To add to this, this Cabinet member is not just letting down vulnerable people of the Isle of Wight but is letting down themselves.

John R
9, February 2010 8:53 pm

IWC may own Westminster House but what about the moral responsibility to continue to use it in the wishes that were made when it was donated. I understand that it does not run at a loss, if it does then the relevant facts and figures should be made available for inspection. Also if the council no longer wants to support the running of it would they be… Read more »

Logun
Reply to  John R
10, February 2010 9:01 am

“Have any of the councillors actually lived or worked with any of the users, I doubt it, they have nothing with which to compare the needs of those with learning disabilities or their parents and carers.” As indicated in other posts, at least one of the cabinet members who voted for this budget has extensive experience in dealing with vulnerable people and their carers. This person once… Read more »

Horace
9, February 2010 10:32 pm

The Rural Community Council are facing total cut in grant funding from the IWC. Several members of staff will face redundancy and the Islands Voluntary Sector will lose: funding advice and support including support to find and apply for essential grant funding training and infrastructure support funding news and information support and representation with strategic partners while this seems less important than direct services to vurnerable people… Read more »

MW
Reply to  Horace
9, February 2010 11:42 pm

The Funding News and information is a vital service to many third sector organisations. We will all suffer if this service is lost!!

vfbb
9, February 2010 10:37 pm

I know tough decisions have to be made but I really feel that these budget cuts were rushed through with little consultation. The removal of back door rubbish collections really worries me as believe this will be the start of a slippery slide downwards, having lived in a litter strewn area with a street collection policy, it just doesn’t work.

Gruntled of Bembridge
10, February 2010 8:30 am

Well said Horace!
In the papers that went to cabinet the Council were proposing to give RCC an interest free loan towards the building of a voluntary sector hub that would provide office space and support to 3rd sector agencies. Great! Thanks! At the same time they are decimating the same RCC by cutting its income by ver 50%. Joined up thinking? Your ‘avin a larf innit!

jackie
10, February 2010 8:35 am

That was possibly the worst cabinet meeting I’ve been to. I’ve been at others where David Pugh has allowed public question time to overrun, but not last night, obviously he didn’t want to hear how angry people are. Never mind email is great and I will be emailing councillors today to explain to them why the music service budget should not be withdrawn. The flannel I was… Read more »

Horace
10, February 2010 9:22 am

Cleverly what these budgets proposals do is put one intrested party against another. While each fights it’s own corner all will lose out and get stuffed anyway.

Rush
Reply to  Horace
10, February 2010 9:35 am

Divide And Rule

jackie
Reply to  Horace
10, February 2010 9:49 am

I agree Horace. I feel awful fighting for music lessons when disabled people and their families are having to fight for services that will have a massive affect on their lives.
I look forward to reading Geoffs budget.

Wendy Welsford
Reply to  Horace
11, February 2010 1:36 pm

It’s like the schools reorganisation all over again. Big cuts to start with and then a change of heart so they don’t look so bad. Like Horace said pitting one group against another, but we all lose out in the end.

Shobba
11, February 2010 11:47 am

People really need to turn up the heat to achieve anything. Email, letters, protest etc. Mr Pugh doesn’t like confronting the hoi-polloi. It dents his favoured big grin image.

Even more disgruntled of Bembridge
Reply to  Shobba
11, February 2010 4:19 pm

I went to a public question time last night with Mr Pugh. He stated that they would be looking at car parking charges again and was indicating that a permit which would give you 3 hours in a carpark for £99 might be on the cards. He was very clever, when questions were asked about parking, toilets,buses and CCTV he just dronned on and on and on… Read more »

Rush
Reply to  Even more disgruntled of Bembridge
11, February 2010 5:23 pm

He only cares about David Pugh

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