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Save Westridge Farm: Solicitors issue pre-action letter to Isle of Wight council

Solicitors acting on behalf of the Save Westridge Farm campaign have issued a pre-action legal letter to the Isle of Wight council in relation to the granting of planning permission for 472 homes on the site of Westridge Farm in Ryde.

The solicitors say the grounds under which the planning permission is being challenged are as follows:

  • Ground 1: The conduct of the meeting of the Planning Committee on 21st July 2021 was
    unlawful, vitiating the purported resolution to grant planning permission
  • Ground 2: The conduct of Councillor Geoff Brodie in his involvement in the decision-making
    process was tainted by apparent bias or by an improper motive
  • Ground 3: The Council’s approach to the section 106 Planning Obligation was unlawful
  • Other grounds: Not demonstrated that correct approach in law was applied concerning the impact on migrating birds, particularly curlews

Demands
In the pre-action protocol letter the Isle of Wight council (IWC) it states that the IWC are…

Requested to consent to judgment and agree to the decision being quashed. The Council is also requested to pay our Client’s costs relating to making the application for judicial review.

The council has been given until 12th September 2023 to reply to the substance of the letter (embedded below for your convenience) and also given a deadline of 4pm on 31st August 2023 to deliver :

  • The completed section 106 agreement relied upon by the Council in granting permission; and
  • Any report or work product arising from the alleged “review of junction improvement options for junctions within the Ryde East area”

The letter to the Isle of Wight council can be seen below.

Read the background by visiting News OnTheWight’s Westridge Farm archives.


Image: bensutherland under CC BY 2.0

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Steve Goodman
18, April 2017 3:09 pm

Thank you Julia.

juliancritchley
18, April 2017 3:14 pm

Tell me, how will the LibDems’ support for austerity economics be seamlessly joined with the Greens’ anti-austerity platform behind a single candidate? And which Independents will get on board with a joint anti-Tory candidate? The Independents who gave the council to the Tories, or the Independents who are still working with the Tories on the Council? It’s one of those ideas which sounds nice in principle, but… Read more »

Geoff Lumley
18, April 2017 3:23 pm

Strange…….that 60% Julia includes the 21% who voted UKIP. Hardly the stuff of ‘progressive’ politics. Notwithstanding that, the suggestion of a “primary among their members to select a single candidate who the 60% of Islanders that wanted an end to Conservative control can jointly rally behind”. May not go down well with the other parties given the size of Labour’s local membership. At least twice the joint… Read more »

Caconym
Reply to  Geoff Lumley
18, April 2017 4:07 pm

Quite. And how is this candidate going to be “democratically selected”? Who gets a say in this “democratic selection”? Who do I vote for if the party of *my* choice isn’t an option on the ballot paper because of this gerrymandering? (Yes, I know that gerrymandering is changing physical boundaries to suit certain parties, but falsely erasing political borders for the same effect is just as bad,… Read more »

thorfingers
Reply to  Caconym
19, April 2017 8:48 am

Stop hiding behind your nickname Suruk. Your voice counts for nothing otherwise.

Caconym
Reply to  thorfingers
19, April 2017 8:51 am

Yes it does.

East Cowes
Reply to  Geoff Lumley
18, April 2017 8:07 pm

Yes, Geoff. If I remember correctly 61.9% of the island voted Tory or UKIP. So I’m not sure where Julia is getting her numbers. Any ‘one candidate’ selected would have to change the minds of a hefty proportion of ‘conservative’ (with a small ‘c’) voters…

ThomasC
Reply to  East Cowes
19, April 2017 8:30 am

No, it was 40%, taking into account the 65% turnout.

30,000 people didn’t bother voting, the morons.

East Cowes
Reply to  East Cowes
19, April 2017 11:56 am

Yes, ThomasC. But you have to base predictions on likely voters, not total number of eligible voters when you are looking at likelihood of who will be elected. When looking retrospectively trying to make an argument about representation of an issue (e.g. Brexit), as part of th propaganda one then includes total number of (eligible) voters (or in the case of Remain, those who were ineligible by… Read more »

Patrick McKay
18, April 2017 3:59 pm

I wonder who she could be thinking of?

Julia Baker-Smith
Reply to  Patrick McKay
18, April 2017 4:20 pm

To be clear I have no one party or candidate in mind and this is my personal view. The first past the post system is in my view flawed and results in the majority of people being under represented. Ideally I would personally like to see an open primary but sadly this has been sprung on the electorate and I would imagine that would be impossible at… Read more »

Andrew Smith
Reply to  Julia Baker-Smith
18, April 2017 10:59 pm

Cllr Baker-Smith, with regards your statement that you think that the ‘first past the post system’ is flawed, this is an interesting one as I have checked the results from 2013’s election and 10 of the original ‘Island Independents’ Cllrs received less then half of the votes in their ward, and in some cases only received a winning margin of 3/4 votes, so using your logic your… Read more »

Steephill Jack
18, April 2017 4:55 pm

I thought we were getting 2 MPs the next time ?

Geoff Lumley
18, April 2017 5:05 pm

Only after the Boundary Commission sends a final report to Parliament for approval. Was going to be this time next year. Now ?

Steephill Jack
Reply to  Geoff Lumley
18, April 2017 8:33 pm

Thanks Geoff. West Wight would stay Tory but East Wight might be different: dammit !

juliancritchley
18, April 2017 6:03 pm

As the Labour candidate for Ryde North West, thus representing the official opposition to the Tories nationally, I welcome the decision of the Green Party and Independent Party leaders to urge an end to the disunity which has long bedevilled the left and helped the Tories. I look forward to them uniting behind the Labour candidate at the General election, and withdrawing their local candidates from council… Read more »

Steve Goodman
Reply to  juliancritchley
18, April 2017 7:08 pm

The light people are seeing more of, as the ‘business as usual parties’ keep us in the mess they’ve made, is the red stop light. I look forward to those in power uniting behind the ‘halt and reverse the damage’ candidates, as they started to after seeing the green go get better light at the last climate crisis conference, and I welcome this step in the right… Read more »

ThomasC
Reply to  juliancritchley
19, April 2017 8:34 am

IW Labour – the same 8-11,000 people will turn out and doggedly scratch a mark on the ballot paper, once again ensuring the Tory candidate is returned once more.

Don’t let your principles get in the way of stopping us getting a Tory MP, now…. oh, hang on.

ianwinter
18, April 2017 6:09 pm

If you can get UKIP and Labour to play nice, then I have an Israel-Palestine dispute you might want to fix later.

Caconym
Reply to  ianwinter
19, April 2017 12:07 pm

Kippers don’t play nice with anyone.

Even other Kippers.

Paul O'Rourke
18, April 2017 6:36 pm

Progressive parties? Is that a joke? In what possible way are they progressive? The Islands electorate voted for a Conservative MP, is it progressive to overturn the will of the people?

bones
Reply to  Paul O'Rourke
18, April 2017 6:51 pm

I agree Paul. As my mother used to say ‘Empty vessels make most noise’

Steve Goodman
Reply to  Paul O'Rourke
18, April 2017 7:23 pm

The people’s will at elections has varied over time and place; the Con. government is now giving Islanders the opportunity to improve on the previous result in light of the subsequent serious shocks.

Grom
18, April 2017 7:07 pm

Progressive as in putting people and planet before corporate profit. Progressive as in being for equality, compassion and environmental justice. Progressive as in thinking more than five years ahead and taking into account future generations in all decision making. It is much needed.

Richard
18, April 2017 7:27 pm

I am 100% against an alliance it won’t work they will be all nice to one and other to get the votes they need and if it works it will soon fall apart once the disagreements start and not providing a solid opposition to whoever wins. All parties need to enter there own candidate. I for one would never vote conservative ever again.

Peggy Hewson
18, April 2017 8:30 pm

I’m not a political person and this is just my personal point of view from someone who has lived on the island very happily for 13 years. I would love to support Theresa May. I like her and what she stands for. However I cannot and will not vote for Andrew Turner who I think is an ineffectual MP, who does not inspire confidence. I have no… Read more »

ThomasC
Reply to  Peggy Hewson
19, April 2017 8:37 am

There’s nothing sad about not voting Conservative.

It’s something that should be celebrated.

Well done for not voting for government to screw the poor.

Quite how Theresa May is seen to be doing a good job is mystifying, mind.

Caconym
Reply to  Peggy Hewson
19, April 2017 8:47 am

And what, exactly, do you think Theresa May stands for?

She tries to paint herself as a “one nation” Tory, but her actions speak louder than words.

Mark Gibbs
Reply to  Peggy Hewson
19, April 2017 11:24 am

Peggy, i must confess you are not alone, i am an Islander and a local Parish Councillor. I have been a long standing Conservative Party Member and recently came to the conclusion that i can no longer stomach this, to hear that Turner will run again is just a disgrace, no one else can even stand unless he agrees to stand down, its time to think of… Read more »

Steve Goodman
Reply to  Mark Gibbs
19, April 2017 12:38 pm

Think Vix, because there’s reason to think we should all benefit.

Geoff Lumley
Reply to  Mark Gibbs
19, April 2017 12:41 pm

Vote Tory against a Tory. Don’t be daft.

David Ward
Reply to  Geoff Lumley
19, April 2017 1:24 pm

I am with Mark Gibbs, i also defected from the Tory party as i can not tolerate the likes of Turner or the approach of May calling yet another election, we need a united Candidate

Horrified
18, April 2017 9:59 pm

I’m sure you are not alone Peggy – you have summed up exactly how I and I’m sure many others feel.

Grom
18, April 2017 10:08 pm

Theresa May and her Party have killed the Climate Change Department. Theresa May and her Party support fracking. Theresa May and her Party have introduced austerity, which is privatisation through the backdoor and which has brought the Island – and the country as a whole, particularly the poorer section – to its knees. There is a much better choice and it is Green. Greens take Climate Change… Read more »

beacher
18, April 2017 10:33 pm

@ JBS..if you are going to quote headline grabbing figures then let’s be clear about what those numbers represent. To say that nearly 60% of Islanders didn’t vote conservative is true in its purest sense but the way you have conveyed it is to infer that 60% of all Islanders didn’t vote conservative. Nearly 36% of the electorate obviously couldn’t care as they didn’t vote for anyone… Read more »

Steve Goodman
Reply to  beacher
18, April 2017 11:10 pm

Other ‘non-starter’ ideas since the Island’s last election include actually ‘brexiting’, President Trump, lots of ‘don’t worry, we’d never be that stupid’ tipping point seriously bad environmental news (like killing off the Great Barrier Reef and melting so much ice) – and a Green European president (Austria), a Green European deputy PM (Sweden), and being given a surprise early opportunity to evict the Island’s ‘ineffectual’ MP in… Read more »

Andrew Smith
18, April 2017 11:05 pm

The chances of starting a revolution on the island are extremely remote, not to mention trying to combine numerous political ideologies in the space of 7 weeks, with our own local elections happening in the mean time. Unfortunately this is a clear political move from Mrs May to increase her majority, and silence her ‘you haven’t won a general election’ critics, I for one know I won’t… Read more »

Steve Goodman
Reply to  Andrew Smith
18, April 2017 11:25 pm

The chances of helping our essential evolution are comparatively high on the Island, partly because it’s difficult not to have noticed the unfortunate effects of our unelected PM’s actions locally and nationally, and partly because the Island has a better candidate than our present blue meanie!

Grom
18, April 2017 11:11 pm

The Indies “retired” because we have a “Government” hell-bent on cutting/privatising everything from Public Services such as Libraries, Tourist Information Centres and Toilets to Social Care and essential Health Provision. This is destroying the very fabric of society and making it almost impossible to run a Council without having to make life and death decisions on a regular basis. This Government has blood on its hands. Don’t… Read more »

Luisa Hillard
Reply to  Grom
19, April 2017 3:19 pm

The Indies did not ‘retire’ from running the Council. We had a change of leadership and the Conservative-led Alliance took the opportunity to take control – they’d had the votes to do so for some time. The truth is that we put forward a candidate for Leader of the Council to focus on tying up loose ends, and a new group leader to guide an election campaign,… Read more »

Geoff Lumley
Reply to  Luisa Hillard
19, April 2017 3:58 pm

As ever it is the Labour party with the highest percentage of women canidates for Council. I did do a breakdown for OTW, but they chose not to use it.

Sally Perry
Admin
Reply to  Geoff Lumley
19, April 2017 5:11 pm

It’s not that we didn’t choose to use it, just that we haven’t had time yet, but do plan to include it with some other analysis we’ve done.

Geoff Lumley
Reply to  Sally Perry
19, April 2017 5:34 pm

Good. One party’s failure to once again offer anything like a gender-balanced slate is a disgrace. But you can all guess who!

Andrew Smith
Reply to  Sally Perry
19, April 2017 5:44 pm

Geoff, no party is offering a completely gender balanced list of candidates, the Labour Party is closest with 40% woman I believe (12 out of 30), but why are the labour candidates running under 3 different titles?

Geoff Lumley
Reply to  Sally Perry
19, April 2017 7:22 pm

As I said we are the best at this having had the highest % last time as well. On the labels. Basically I am the agent for myself and my partner and I use the label we always used to use and which is perfectly acceptable to the party. Its a ‘don’t change the winning formula’ thing for me! Deborah Gardiner is supported by both Labour and… Read more »

Geoff Lumley
Reply to  Luisa Hillard
20, April 2017 9:20 am

Your former Leader and his Deputy threw in the towel without even telling most of you, giving the Tories time to organise. A seamless transition could have been achieved, as in January 2005 from Stephens to Bacon

Geoff Lumley
Reply to  Geoff Lumley
20, April 2017 9:20 am

2015 !

Valandil
19, April 2017 9:16 am

First post (no pun intended!) on OTW (sorry no real name but the nature of my work means, selfishly, I want to cover my back), and it’s this debate which has inspired me to comment. To my mind the only question we need ask in FPTP GE is; how do we remove, or keep, an incumbent? The political system we have removes the option of voting for… Read more »

Luisa Hillard
Reply to  Valandil
19, April 2017 3:29 pm

The potential to unseat the Conservatives and derail right wing nationalism warms my cockles right up! However, for some reason, Conservative propaganda seems to be quite popular. Why that might be is quite beyond me. If there’s one thing schools are failing on it’s teaching kids to use critical thinking: Don’t believe everything you read, or hear. If people understood how money works we’d also see a… Read more »

electrickery
19, April 2017 10:10 am

Congrats, Valandil, on an erudite first post. Please keep it up. Tolkien would be proud of you. The concensus of comments here and in The Other Place is now clearly pro-Green. That gives us (the island) its best chance for a long time of unseating Tories both in IW Council and at Westminster. Don’t blow it. Let’s get as many voters out on 4th May and again… Read more »

juliancritchley
Reply to  electrickery
19, April 2017 4:48 pm

I’m a little bored with this daft posturing now, so let’s put it to bed. The LibDems have already said that they would prop up another Tory Government (despite being hard Brexit) but wouldn’t work with Labour (despite us being much closer to the LibDem position with our policy of retaining access to the single market). https://www.ft.com/…/38abced6-2437-11e7-a34a-538b4cb30025 So the LibDems are out of this fantasy already. Which… Read more »

Steve Goodman
Reply to  juliancritchley
19, April 2017 8:54 pm

You want to oppose Andrew Turner and the Tories and vote for the Island’s current best candidate? Vote Vix, who will not only cover Labour supporter’s concerns well enough, but is also most likely to ‘add value’ for all of us, for the reasons already covered in these relevant OTW pieces.

jaz625
Reply to  juliancritchley
19, April 2017 10:41 pm

Labour have stood in this seat for over a hundred years, and never won. Not once. Not even come close.

Time to let someone else have a go.

juliancritchley
Reply to  jaz625
19, April 2017 10:59 pm

Hang on while I check the records for the times the Greens have held council seats, let alone the local MP. Still checking…. Still checking… Oh dear. Feel free to have a go, but there are a lot of people on this island who see right through this jolly green scheme, and who are more than happy to register a vote for the only party which could… Read more »

Geoff Lumley
Reply to  jaz625
20, April 2017 9:24 am

Are you sure ? ‘Not even come close’? I think you should check that. And why would one of the two largest largest UK parties not field a candidate in every constituency ? Don’t be daft. We are a national party; not a pressure group, or personality cult

Caconym
Reply to  jaz625
20, April 2017 9:49 am

Labour did come second to the Conservatives in the 1940’s to 1970’s, but consistently polled at least 10,000 less than the Tory.

Labour have come in 3rd since 1974, and 4th in 2015.

So, yeah, not really close.

And now they are going to the polls with Michael Foot Mk2 running the show.

Geoff Lumley
Reply to  Caconym
20, April 2017 10:16 am

“Labour did come second to the Conservatives in the 1940’s to 1970’s, but consistently polled at least 10,000 less than the Tory.” Not the case. I wish people wouldn’t argue points without checking the facts first. It is tiresome.

billy builder
Reply to  Caconym
20, April 2017 10:31 am

Geoff, the fact is that Labour under its current leadership is unfit for government and totally unelectable as such. On the island I suspect that you will be very lucky not to lose your deposit on 8th June

Luisa Hillard
Reply to  juliancritchley
19, April 2017 11:36 pm

If we learnt anything from the last election it is that Labour have little chance of winning a seat on the Island. Labour might be the only party, nationally, who can unseat the Conservatives and yet there is huge division within the Party between Corbynites and Blairites and we don’t yet know which side will win out. In my opinion a Labour vote is wasted unless the… Read more »

juliancritchley
Reply to  Luisa Hillard
19, April 2017 11:59 pm

Luisa, we put up more women candidates both in absolute terms and in proportional terms than any other party or grouping in the council elections. We also put up more candidates in total than all other non-Tory parties. So we’re happy with our broad appeal. Our position on Brexit is actually very clear – although I understand why other parties like to misrepresent it – the referendum… Read more »

Luisa Hillard
Reply to  juliancritchley
24, April 2017 3:28 pm

Julian, we have since discussed such issues in another forum and established our common ground. It is rare that I have disagreed with your Labour councillors. It was them who supported my ward in trying to stop Floating Bridge charges for pedestrians. However, being Independent is not ploughing a lone furrow. I have worked successfully with many other independents to run the Council for three years. At… Read more »

billy builder
Reply to  juliancritchley
24, April 2017 6:17 pm

Luisa, whilst I don’t totally disagree with you about local politics, there are certainly insignificant down sides both in terms of local politics and national politics. In terms of local politics you know roughly where a candidate stands in terms of the political debate if he or she wears a party badge. Whereas an independent could be soneine like yourself who I take to be somewhere between… Read more »

bigg market
19, April 2017 4:25 pm

For just one anti Tory candidate the Labour, Liberal Democrat and Green Parties would have to agree on a joint manifesto to put before the electorate. Simply saying we don’t like Andrew Turner isn’t realistic in a General Election. Like it or not the Island voted Brexit and in Mr Turner you have somebody who has been consistent in his opposition to our membership of the EU.… Read more »

Steve Goodman
Reply to  bigg market
19, April 2017 10:30 pm

Despair is not an unreasonable reaction to our sorry state of political, economic, and environmental affairs. Are any of our government seniors and Private Eye content providers worthy of being taken seriously? Mrs May, Bojo, and most of our MPs seem to have changed their minds and principles over Brexit, for example. Now Mrs May is PM she seems not to understand why other people can’t be… Read more »

Jim Moody
19, April 2017 9:47 pm

Uh, it’s been five hours since Julian Critchley made his challenge that a combination of Green Party and Labour Party members decide on who’s to stand and who’s to stand down in opposing the Tories. There has been no response from the Green Party honchos who usually so active here. Is it because the Lowthian Question was in reality a bureaucratic ploy? That a stitch up between… Read more »

Vix Lowthion
Reply to  Jim Moody
19, April 2017 10:22 pm

Sorry – I’ve no idea what you are talking about as I’ve been out away from the computer all day.
I think that’s allowed you know.

jaz625
Reply to  Jim Moody
19, April 2017 10:57 pm

This would be the challenge Julian Critchely made, then dismissed, during the space of one post in the comments section of a news website?

A prospective parliamentary candidate is seriously expected to respond to that?

What absolute and abject silliness.

juliancritchley
Reply to  jaz625
19, April 2017 11:17 pm

There certainly is some absolute and abject silliness going on here. In 2013, the Labour Party smashed the Greens at the polls. In every election prior to that, we smashed the Greens at the polls. We’ve had far more councillors, we’ve had far more voters, we’ve got far more members. We’re the only party which can form an alternative government to the Tories. Even now, when we’re… Read more »

Vix Lowthion
Reply to  jaz625
19, April 2017 11:48 pm

Your style of posting, Julian, in a nutshell is why I have never joined Labour. It’s tribal, it’s combatative. It’s divisive.

We need to bring people together – as what unites us is more important than what divides us. Our strength comes from looking for common ground, not shouting numbers and point scoring.

Good luck.

juliancritchley
Reply to  Vix Lowthion
20, April 2017 12:07 am

It’s combative, Vix, because I dislike game-playing and posturing. Especially when that posturing is a pretence at claiming a moral high ground. I agree with you that the left vote on the island shouldn’t be split. So don’t split it. Unite behind the Labour candidates in the local and general elections. The Labour Party is committed to promoting a green economy and protecting our environment. We oppose… Read more »

Vix Lowthion
Reply to  juliancritchley
20, April 2017 12:09 am

^^ “aggressive posturing”.

Does this attitude work well on the doorstep with floating voters, Julian?

Alex Pointing
Reply to  juliancritchley
20, April 2017 12:14 am

You honestly think you’re going to win over Conservative votes to Labour on the island? Most conservatives would never dream of voting Labour because of an ingrained stigma associated with the Labour brand. But they might just vote for newer political movement like the Green party with less of a stigma attatched.

juliancritchley
Reply to  juliancritchley
20, April 2017 12:18 am

Vix, I’m sorry you feel the need to get personal about this. Especially as I’ve never met you. God knows, if I was personally offended every time someone took a pop at the Labour Party, I’d spend my life crying in a corner. Your party has launched a big appeal for unity. I’m questioning the sincerity of that, given that the only unity which appears to be… Read more »

juliancritchley
Reply to  juliancritchley
20, April 2017 12:20 am

Hello Mr Pointing

I do understand why the Tories are keen to encourage non-Labour parties to split the anti-Tory vote, yes.

Vix Lowthion
Reply to  juliancritchley
20, April 2017 12:36 am

“Getting personal”? Where? On the day the General Election was announced, I made a call for parties to start from a position of unity and discuss and look for a way forward. You don’t want to. Corbyn told Caroline Lucas today he doesn’t want to. Tim Farron also doesn’t want to. That’s fine – it’s far from my decision. Would have been beneficial to have even had… Read more »

juliancritchley
20, April 2017 1:04 am

I see. So basically this heartfelt appeal’s PR loop has now concluded? Stage 1 – Greens say every non-Tory should unite, without first talking to the other parties, and after standing candidates against them. Stage 2 – People ask questions and it starts to become clear that the only beneficiaries of this would be the Greens Stage 3 – In face of growing questions, Greens announce more… Read more »

jaz625
Reply to  juliancritchley
20, April 2017 1:13 am

Well, as Vix said, it was Corbyn and Farron who said it was all off, not the Greens. If other parties don’t want to collaborate, no one can force them to.

Vix Lowthion
Reply to  juliancritchley
20, April 2017 7:30 am

If you think calling for unity is solely about a ‘moral high ground’ and not actually about calling for unity, then you are incredibly cynical.

Anyway, nationally it is our labour and Lib dem leaders who have ruled it out and locally it is our island parties who have also ruled it out.

It’s not the Greens.

weatherman
20, April 2017 7:50 am

If the juvenile nonsense posted here by Messrs Critchley and Moody is what passes for an election strategy in today’s Labour party then it is little wonder they trail so badly in the polls.

Would be good to know if Mr Critchley’s offer to the Island Green Party is agreed Labour policy or just Mr Critchley overreaching himself.

I am sure ”his people“ would like to know.

Patch Barry
20, April 2017 9:47 am

I feel for you Mr Critchley, you believe in Labour and you see Green as copying Labour policies and splitting the vote. Is this something to be worried about? Yes it is and it requires consideration for the pro’s and con’s… and sacrifice something which Labour understands. We have to consider this from a local – not a national perspective (though the cynic in me recognises the… Read more »

juliancritchley
Reply to  Patch Barry
20, April 2017 11:48 am

I’m not sure why the 400 extra votes the Greens got in 2015 should somehow outweigh every other election result in every other election on the Isle of Wight, when the Greens were so far behind Labour as to be irrelevant. I understand why the Greens would push that line, but it doesn’t make it any more valid. I don’t want the Isle of Wight opting out… Read more »

juliancritchley
20, April 2017 9:59 am

Goodness, but some Greens are a bit prickly. All I’ve done here is ask questions of this appeal for unity, challenge some assumptions and throw a few facts into the mix of warm words and woolly ambitions, and the response is to play the man, not the ball. That’s a bit sad. Perhaps one problem with the Green Party is that because everyone knows it’s a wasted… Read more »

ThomasC
Reply to  juliancritchley
20, April 2017 10:45 am

No, voting Labour on the IW is a fool’s errand and will only ensure A. Turnip gets back in. Stop telling people what to do, especially stop telling people to vote for a Labour Party led by someone who has many of the characteristics of the unelectable mid-80s Labour Party. Given the growth of the Green vote it looks to make far more sense to get on… Read more »

juliancritchley
Reply to  ThomasC
20, April 2017 11:35 am

“Stop telling people what to do”, says the man telling people not to vote Labour?

Geoff Lumley
Reply to  ThomasC
20, April 2017 11:53 am

The demise of the ‘left of centre’ vote on the Isle of Wight: 2015: Tories 41% + Ukip 21% = 62% Labour 13% + Green 13% + LD 7% + Indy 5% = 38% 2010: Tories 47% + Ukip 4% + BNP 2% + English Democrat 2% = 55% Labour 12% + Green 1% + LD 32% = 45% 2005: Tories 49% + Ukip 4% = 53%… Read more »

davimel
20, April 2017 10:46 am

Oh my!! Will the kiddies please sit in the corner and behave! Anyway, personalities apart, and ignoring all the “we don’t want to play” (unless it looks like a coalition is inevitable), how about we see some policy thoughts, rather than the tit for tat.. As a life long Socialist and Labour supporter this is the first time I have EVER had to think of alternatives, despite… Read more »

juliancritchley
Reply to  davimel
20, April 2017 11:38 am

Labour absolutely is an option. Policies here, and on our leaflets being pushed through letterboxes all over the island. http://www.islandlabour2017.co.uk If you are a Labour member, you can join the closed Facebook group and ask as many questions as you like of your local party executive and candidates. If you’re not a member, then visit our public facebook page https://www.facebook.com/IOWLabour/ and again you can ask questions which… Read more »

Caconym
Reply to  juliancritchley
20, April 2017 11:47 am

An option, yes.

Just as betting on a three-legged horse winning the Grand National is an “option”.

Caconym
Reply to  davimel
20, April 2017 11:43 am

I’d be interested to know what you’d call the “true left wing” if it isn’t Corbyn and his Momentum cronies?

Amberlight
20, April 2017 12:30 pm

Looking through the thread I can see why there will never be a chance of Unity on the Island. Tribalism and Egotism. . Thank goodness we have one candidate who stands head and shoulders above the rest of this playground and that is Vix Lowthion for the Green Party. The only real contender ,coming third in the last General Election and has gathered more support and more… Read more »

Geoff Lumley
Reply to  Amberlight
20, April 2017 1:50 pm

So why did the Greens not rally behind Labour in 2015 and particularly 2010 given we had also finished THIRD at the previous elections – though its really not that much to brag about ? And with a far higher vote in 2005, that you can only dream of. And with a candidate, Mark Chiverton, who was widely respected – and still is.

Richard
20, April 2017 4:57 pm

Voting Labour in a GE on the Island is an utter waste of time, end of story. Of all the potential candidates, whoever Labour puts up, they will have precisely ZERO chance of winning. The LibDems have won the seat before, and in the right circumstances could do so again. Their chance is small, but not zero. And it isn’t inconceivable that the Island could go Green… Read more »

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