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Claims of five more faked signatures on UKIP candidate papers

It’s been claimed in a front page splash in the County Press today that a further five people have said they didn’t sign the nomination papers of Richard Wilkins, the UKIP candidate for Newport North.

The story was brought to light ten days ago when OnTheWight broke the story that Alan Wells, Chairman of the IW Conservatives, claimed in a letter that one of the people on Richard’s nomination paper hadn’t actually signed it.

Today’s CP ‘exclusive’ report claims they have spoken to the other five people, including Richard’s sister and brother in law, Carol and Alan Cave. While acknowledging a family feud, Carol Cave said, “I’m angry and upset. I don’t get on with him but I didn’t expect something like this. I felt I had no choice but go to the Police.”

Worrying
Richard Wilkins is quoted as saying, “If there was a cliff I would jump off it. If this goes to court, we’re done for. I’m about to lose everything because of these people saying things. I can’t believe it. I feel sick.”

UKIP respond
OnTheWight contacted UKIP HQ for a response and were told, “The law is clear: Mr Wilkins would have to have knowingly submitted false signatures and there is no evidence for this and nor do we believe that this is the case.

“Any false allegations – whatever their motivation – will be treated very seriously by us, by Mr Wilkins and his solicitor.”

IW UKIP
When approached this morning, Rose Bell, Chairman of UKIP IW, told OnTheWight, “Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence?”

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Cynic
26, April 2013 10:56 am

Given today’s CP pre-election coverage, should it not have a statement at the end pointing out that it was prepared by **** “on behalf of 40 candidates”, as required by electoral law? :-))

tryme
26, April 2013 11:26 am

Looking at the photo of the CP at the top of this item, I’m surprised they haven’t at least covered themselves with the figleaf of putting the headline in inverted commas.I’m anti-UKIP, but that looks unfair at the very least. Unless they have cast-iron evidence. I wonder if after May 2nd there may be an apology at the bottom of p.32. If the Alan Cave is the… Read more »

Jackpot
Reply to  tryme
26, April 2013 11:48 am

Ah, that’s where I recognised the name from. It’s been bugging me all morning.

Darcy
26, April 2013 12:18 pm

Curiouser and curiouser! Are we to believe that Richard Wilkins is so stupid as to submit an official form with at least six forged signatures, including an ‘estranged’ sister? Are we to believe the form recovered by the County Press is the original or could it have been changed? Are we to believe that this man is seemingly unable to muster ten signatures from friends, family and… Read more »

Man in Black
Reply to  Darcy
26, April 2013 12:48 pm

It is odd that the CP are stating this as fact. Surely that is the job of the police or courts (if it comes to that)?

playingthenumbers
26, April 2013 12:54 pm

Where’s Hunter?

ALLAN
26, April 2013 1:03 pm

wondered how long before the mud slinging would start ,signs of desperation by the Tory’s

tryme
Reply to  ALLAN
26, April 2013 1:12 pm

Yes, entirely predictable. And I daresay it will get worse. Only readers of OTW, and people who are getting direct contact with Island Indies and their supportiers, will have the necessary info. on their approach. So every Indie supporter needs to make sure they turn out to vote for them: No Complacency!

Barbara green
Reply to  ALLAN
27, April 2013 1:47 pm

Yes The tories will do anything to make sure they win.

pallance
26, April 2013 1:16 pm

It’s about time most people remember, it’s known as the County Liar.

Robert Jones
Reply to  pallance
26, April 2013 1:41 pm

The CP may be a bland shadow of its former self – actually, never mind “may be”, it is! – but “liar” pitches it far too strongly. The CP doesn’t have the writers it once had, the quality of reporting or, sadly, the quality of editorship it had under Peter Hurst: but if it were shown to have lied about this allegation, its current editor would be… Read more »

MamaLu
26, April 2013 1:24 pm

I thought I this story was based on a headline from the Daily Mail, or The Sun – the ‘angry’ papers that like to shock people. Very surprised that this comes from our very own County Press! I certainly don’t support UKIP but even so I’m disappointed.

Braveheart
26, April 2013 1:27 pm

Not sure if this document may help shed any light on this matter:- http://www.iwight.com/azservices/documents/1174-Notice%20of%20Poll%20-%20IOWC%20May%202013.pdf

Robert Jones
26, April 2013 1:33 pm

This is more serious than I think some believe it to be; IF the story is true, then the candidate concerned is in deep trouble there’s no way out of; if it isn’t – then the County Press would find itself on the wrong end of a libel writ, and will have contravened electoral law. It therefore goes much further and deeper than just playing politics: there… Read more »

tryme
Reply to  Robert Jones
26, April 2013 1:54 pm

I think we realise that, Robert. But we don’t want to make allegations ourselves that might put us in the same category.

Darcy
Reply to  Robert Jones
26, April 2013 1:55 pm

Of course it is serious … If it is true. But answer my original three questions. Would anyone in his or her right mind go ahead and forge signatures when there was no reason to do so? I’m sure as part of a political party, Mr Wilkins would be well aware of the consequences of fraudulently submitting such a form knowingly. If he did then he deserves… Read more »

Robert Jones
Reply to  Darcy
26, April 2013 2:19 pm

I know nothing about this candidate, so there’s no way of answering your question: but you might as easily ask would any local newspaper in its right mind run the risk of being seen improperly to influence an election and libel a candidate? That’s the trouble with putting this into the public domain in the first place – some find it hard to think that any candidate… Read more »

wightywight
Reply to  Robert Jones
26, April 2013 2:31 pm

yeah….the only “arguments we ought to be having”…however, is over how many of the current bunch of ruling group councillors will be left standing on May 3rd…. The prospect of another 4 years – in the context of that will be recognised as an endorsement of their past policies and actions – is unthinkable. Anyone putting a cross against a candidate who supports the current regime must… Read more »

tryme
Reply to  Robert Jones
26, April 2013 3:10 pm

I don’t think the smear is “a handy by-product”, Robert. I think smearing was the whole point of making public allegations instead of going through the proper channels.

No doubt A.Wells and the CP have been making sure they use weasel words that keep them from prosecution, but still spread the smear.

(In answer to your qu, ww, I don’t know!)

Cynic
Reply to  tryme
26, April 2013 4:14 pm

@tryme “No doubt A.Wells and the CP have been making sure they use weasel words that keep them from prosecution, but still spread the smear.”

Simon/Sal- why not run a competition to spot the highest number of weasel words in the CP story and whence it originated?

IWC PR Dept and IWCA entrants should be excluded for having prior knowledge. :-))
:-))

Cynic
Reply to  tryme
26, April 2013 5:29 pm

To clarify- when I suggested that IWC PR and IWCA entrants should be excluded from any OTW “count the weasel words” competition for “having prior knowledge”, I was, of course, alluding to the expertise in this art demonstrated by both in the past.

Darcy
Reply to  Robert Jones
26, April 2013 3:16 pm

I agree that Alan Wells should not have put this into the public domain in the first place. But having done so you must expect people to comment on it by demanding that any allegation, taken as fact by the CP today, is properly heard and acted upon. Yes, the consequences for Mr Wilkins could be very serious. But then so are the consequences of voting, which… Read more »

no.5
Reply to  Darcy
27, April 2013 12:48 am

Jerry White may not agree with you…seems the whole world including the CP is against him :)

supercool
26, April 2013 2:29 pm

This sounds like a set-up, first of all its not difficult to get 10 signatures especially as the IOW is a strong area for tories and UKIP, secondly he would not be that stupid. Sounds like the tories and people at the county press are worried UKIP will win and want to try and dirty his name and the party, vote UKIP for real change

tryme
Reply to  supercool
26, April 2013 2:44 pm

And as Robert says, none of this should have come into the public arena, it should have been for Police eyes and legal reps only. The fact that it has been made a public matter has forced us to point out that all may not be as it first seems – that it is likely there is smearing going on. That is a valid thing to point… Read more »

wightywight
26, April 2013 2:53 pm

why is he worried? We’re all speculating here because we do not have the facts but…. this is all very checkable. If someone’s name is down on the form for nomination – the form returned to the electoral office (It’s a public document, btw)- and the person who’s name is on it did not sign it (because subsequently they SAY they did not sign it)then a fraud… Read more »

Braveheart
26, April 2013 3:12 pm

I know that being signed up to the ‘Court of Human Rights Charter’ gives us the freedom in this country to say just what we want to without any legal comeback, but there is still a strong code of being ‘Innocent’ until ‘Proven Guilty’. So therefore, would it not be more advisable for all forms of media to continue this practice within its many stories relating to… Read more »

Braveheart
26, April 2013 3:38 pm

Furthermore, could I please point out that I have it on good authority Mr. Wilkins remains a validly nominated candidate, and his name appears on the ballot paper for the 02 May 2013 Local Elections. As he has not requested to stand down, nor the UKIP party suspended him as a standing candidate, may I herewith make it known that: The Returning Officer has no powers to… Read more »

wightywight
Reply to  Braveheart
26, April 2013 3:57 pm

@braveheart: If fraud has occurred ..the vote will be annulled. If it is discovered after the election the candidate will be charged (probably convicted I guess?) and will have to stand down if it is he who wins (it won’t be!) So, you make a good point here. At the moment it looks like he will be allowed to be on the paper (problem changing papers now… Read more »

tryme
26, April 2013 3:40 pm

Making my own smear now, (so almost on-topic still!): has anyone else had trouble with the OTW screen freezing, the last day or two? I keep having to open a new site for it, to get it moving again. I know the Council were ‘working’ on their system last weekend, and Dave Burbage recently warned staff there wil be a new policy coming out, on staff use… Read more »

greenfiremouse
Reply to  tryme
26, April 2013 8:18 pm

I have similar problems at work: OTW freezes when I try to open reports or comments in a new tab by right-clicking. Either it freezes totally or it takes about 3 minutes to run up. The arrow for “go back one page” doesn’t work properly either, because you suddenly seem to go back to “google+1”, and that is blocked at work. Heaven know where that comes from… Read more »

tryme
Reply to  greenfiremouse
26, April 2013 8:47 pm

Although you are disappointingly short on conspiracy theory, gfm, (is it a council workdesk you refer to, I wonder), thank you for your suggestion, I appreciate your trouble. The left-click procedure is the one I normally use, oddly enough, but still the big freeze (at home), no chance of going anywhere till I open yet another new window for OTW. I was going to post ‘Just me… Read more »

wightywight
26, April 2013 3:49 pm

@braveheart: Contrary to a popular belief….you can’t say *anything* without fear of legal comeback actually. Recent laws on Religious beliefs, for example, can attract charges of causing racial hatred …etc., etc., Anyway, back to this. I’m struggling with this. What the hell is the picture in the CP if it ISN’T the nomination form ? It looks suspiciously like the nomination form. It carries the names and… Read more »

tryme
Reply to  wightywight
26, April 2013 5:16 pm

There are other explanations that don’t incriminate RW or his sister, ww, so I don’t think we should speculate about what they may or may not have done, when the charge would be a criminal one.

ALLAN
26, April 2013 4:27 pm

surely by putting this into the public domain,would it not be construed as interfering with the judicial process and interfering with a police inquiry

Robert Jones
Reply to  ALLAN
27, April 2013 11:50 am

Only if the report was manifestly untrue and malicious. It isn’t an offence to report that someone has been accused – and it’s not sub judice yet either. But even so, the way this has been handled leaves a foul taste in the mouth.

Mark L Francis
27, April 2013 8:47 am

Mr Wilkins is attempting to stand as a representative on the Isle of Wight yet he does not know where to find a cliff?

tryme
Reply to  Mark L Francis
27, April 2013 1:07 pm

That was my first reaction, spoiled for choice, (though yours is funnier), but I didn’t want to feel instrumental in his throwing himself off one.

Braveheart
27, April 2013 4:06 pm

There are three main Political Parties in this country made up of mainly millionaires who have no realistic idea of how the working man, woman or child functions in their daily life! Yet these millionaire politicians sit in their ivory towers thinking up more and more ways of making cuts that will grind us further into deep despair. Leaving everyone except the wealthy amongst us wondering if… Read more »

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