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The Priest / Gilbey email and where it’s incorrect

OnTheWight has been in touch with sources within the Island Independent group following the Isle of Wight council Executive reshuffle announced yesterday evening.

They advise that despite an email sent by Cllr Richard Priest and Cllr Jon Gilbey this morning to all councillors stating they had been dismissed from the group, our source says this is definitely not the case. They confirm that neither councillor has been dismissed from the Group.

It’s of note that Richard Priest’s name does not now appear on IWC list of Executive members, but Jon Gilbey’s still does. The page has clearly been updated since Tuesday as Cllr Fuller’s name is now included.

Gilbey offered to keep his place on Executive
OnTheWight has been told that although Cllr Priest has been ‘sacked’ from the Executive, that Cllr Gilbey had been given until Sunday to decide whether he would like to continue in a role on the Executive Committee.

Email circulated to all councillors
In Cllr Priest and Gilbey’s email, they assert that serious allegations have been made by the leader about them in relation to their conduct over the Capital Programme Contingency Budget report.

At the Executive meeting on Tuesday, the Monitoring Officer, Davina Fiore, confirmed she had previously informed the two councillors they would have to declare an interest on the report when it came before the Executive. She explained that both councillors had a close personal interest with the owners of Rush Close, Shanklin – an item being considered for council expenditure.

Therefore, both left the chamber whilst the item was being discussed.

Reported themselves
The email goes on to say that both councillors have reported themselves to the Standards Committee,

They say,

“Given the seriousness of the allegations made by the Leader, in respect of our conduct over the Capital Contingency Report and our support of the Select Committee motion (to be debated at the next Full Council Meeting) we have decided to refer ourselves to the Standards Committee to enable a full investigation of the Leaders allegations, and we would ask the Leader to share all emails and related documents with all members.

“In particular, we request the email of 20th August 2014, from a senior Council Officer, and our email of 29th August 2014, to all Group members: you will note both of the emails were circulated prior to the recent meetings of Scrutiny and Executive Committees, and before ‘unattributed rumours’ regarding leadership were in circulation.”

This committee was abolished in 2012 and replaced with a system where any complaints are dealt with by the Monitoring Officer.

The email in full
Below is the email sent by Cllrs Priest and Gilbey to all members this morning.

Dear colleagues

As you will appreciate, the leader of the IW Council dismissed Cllr Priest and myself from the Independent Group, as well as the Executive, and we are copying the Monitoring Officer into this email, and given the decision of the Leader, to clarify where we will be expected to sit in the Chamber at the next meeting of the Full Council, and what office accommodation will be made available to us (unfortunately, the Leader was unable to provide this information when he dismissed us at 4pm yesterday afternoon).

As you may also appreciate, given that the Group unanimously made the decision to appoint us to our Executive posts at a meeting on the 10th March 2014, we have asked (and this email confirms this request) the Leader to clarify why he has dismissed us, to provide minutes of the Group meeting that decided on our dismissal in our absence, and the Group rules that were applied to dismiss us from the Group, and any rights of Appeal that apply (and when these policies were agreed openly and transparently): we recognise the Leader of the Council can dismiss members of the Executive, but we understood that all of the Group shared our commitment to the Bell Principles and that the Group were inclusive of all members being a part of the decision making process, as was highlighted by the removal of all delegated decision making.

Given the seriousness of the allegations made by the Leader, in respect of our conduct over the Capital Contingency Report and our support of the Select Committee motion (to be debated at the next Full Council Meeting) we have decided to refer ourselves to the Standards Committee to enable a full investigation of the Leaders allegations, and we would ask the Leader to share all emails and related documents with all members.

In particular, we request the email of 20th August 2014, from a senior Council Officer, and our email of 29th August 2014, to all Group members: you will note both of the emails were circulated prior to the recent meetings of Scrutiny and Executive Committees, and before ‘unattributed rumours’ regarding leadership were in circulation.

We were both elected without any political labels and will not be joining any political party (whatever their colour), and are committed to be open and transparent in Public Office, as well as in the privileged position we have as Shanklin Town and County Councillors, and we deeply regret that some of our former colleagues appear to have forgotten this principle.

We would like to thank all of our friends and colleagues for their messages of support at this time, and we look forward to an early reply to the issues raised above.

Best Regards

Cllr Jon Gilbey and Cllr Richard Priest
(Shanklin Central and Shanklin South)

Image: © Simon Haytack

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The Sciolist
11, September 2014 2:06 pm

Davina advising the leader? You be the judge.

It’s her job I suppose, but not for the first time, the public pronouncements seem very muddled.

What is clear is that as ever with our elected representatives, someone thinks they can conceal the truth.

The last lot liked to treat us all like idiots, the current leadership seems to have copied this approach.

davidwalter
11, September 2014 2:12 pm

“Given the seriousness of the allegations made by the Leader, in respect of our conduct over the Capital Contingency Report and our support of the Select Committee motion (to be debated at the next Full Council Meeting) we have decided to refer ourselves to the Standards Committee to enable a full investigation of the Leaders allegations,..”

Hard to comment on any of this without hearing the ‘allegations’.

davidwalter
11, September 2014 2:14 pm

Davina was very forthright during that meeting. She certainly seemed on the ball, to me.

Barney McGrew
11, September 2014 2:22 pm

Buckle up, people. Here we go again. Can’t Ian get anything right?

Island Monkey
11, September 2014 2:31 pm

I expect Ian is very grateful to have Davina advising him so brilliantly – after all, she did such an excellent job advising David.

yjc
11, September 2014 2:57 pm

None of this inspires confidence in our IW Council. The more time goes on the more of a shambles it all sadly appears to be.

phil jordan
Reply to  yjc
11, September 2014 10:57 pm

YJC:

It is sad…. but not brought about by the largest majority of Independent members either…. and who (will) continue to work for the good of Island residents under difficult circumstances.

Robert Jones
11, September 2014 3:06 pm

This isn’t even half a story so far; the details don’t add up, there seems to be confusion about what these councillors have been expelled from, either the Executive or the Independent Group, and I understand certain councillors have been speaking to others offering Executive places in exchange for support. (If that was supposed to be a secret, maybe don’t do it in a public place.) Bell… Read more »

phil jordan
Reply to  Robert Jones
11, September 2014 10:51 pm

robert jones: There is no confusion. None whatsoever. There is absolute clarity over what action(s) have taken place and it is reported above. I cannot comment on the email contents but they do not, insofar as the clarity over the position of the two people concerned, concur with what has actually taken place. I agree over the squabbling…. didn’t the last administration and the MP have one… Read more »

Stewart Blackmore
Reply to  phil jordan
11, September 2014 10:55 pm

So, Phil, what is the truth of the matter – were Priest & Gilbey both fired? Was only one of them fired? And why was any (or both) of them fired.

Was it because of a planned (failed) coup?

phil jordan
Reply to  Stewart Blackmore
11, September 2014 11:25 pm

stuart: Happy to confirm that Richard Priest was removed from his executive post. John Gilbey was offered until monday to decide if he wished to remain in his post. Neither were excluded from the group (and it’s not clear if the Leader has *that* power anyway). Is that helpful? Because of possible future investigations (referred to in the above email) I prefer not to comment on the… Read more »

tryme
Reply to  phil jordan
11, September 2014 11:43 pm

I think you’re reading too much into Phil’s to-the-point replies, Robert. We are dealing with human beings who will always squabble from time to time, and then carry on. To take him to task for a throwaway allusion to the last administration brings sledgehammer and nut to mind. We’re probably just seeing more of what’s going on now than we did then,and I don’t think that was… Read more »

Robert Jones
Reply to  phil jordan
11, September 2014 11:22 pm

Don’t try our credulity too hard, Mr Jordan. Two of your former colleagues – if that’s what they are – are saying one thing, you, and to the extent they’re saying anything, the leader and deputy leader of the council are saying another. If that’s not confusing to the electorate (it may not be to you) I’m not sure what would be. And indeed the last administration… Read more »

phil jordan
Reply to  Robert Jones
11, September 2014 11:36 pm

Robert Jones: Remember andy sutton….? I can assure you most definitely that I am not saying one thing different from the Leader and Deputy. I have expressed clearly what has happened in a factual way. That the two other people concerned wish to convey a different position I am afraid I cannot comment on. The detail contained in the email about their executive position and group membership… Read more »

Robert Jones
Reply to  phil jordan
11, September 2014 11:54 pm

I remember Andy Sutton, Phil, and I also remember what brought him down: it wasn’t entirely or even principally divisions within his own party nor did it happen in his first five minutes as leader – although I forget now how soon it did occur. Those at odds with the leader are your erstwhile colleagues – and we still don’t know why. Oh, we can all make… Read more »

phil jordan
Reply to  phil jordan
12, September 2014 12:12 am

Robert Jones: Thanks robert. The andy sutton event I referred to was after he took a (part time) job with the LGA and someone (or group) within the administration group saw a vacuum and chance and went for it….the rest is history, so to speak. I commented above somewhere… it really would not be wise for me to comment whilst there is the possibility of some sort… Read more »

Robbo
Reply to  phil jordan
12, September 2014 7:04 pm

Phil-not sure that is an accurate recollection of the demise of Andy Sutton in September 2007. Wasn’t is something to do with……wait for it….. the Undercliff ?

Albert Street
Reply to  phil jordan
12, September 2014 7:42 pm

Looking back Mr Sutton was undone by the Craven Court Saga.

Mason Watch
11, September 2014 4:02 pm

Unbelievable…..The mere fact that these people want to be in power should disqualify them from holding any post. The Boy Pugh must have put down that photocopier manual he’s reading and be rubbing his hands in glee. We really must think of a better way of choosing the members next time because this lot are almost meeting the standards set by the last lot……..

retired Hack
11, September 2014 4:16 pm

It does seem that these two guys are intent on considering themselves expelled from the Independent Group, whether they actually have been or not. So the stage is probably set for them turning up to next Wednesday’s Full Council meeting, sitting on their own in a huddle somewhere, having their hands ostentatiously shaken by Cllr Whitehouse, and voting in favour of a motion of no confidence in… Read more »

retired Hack
Reply to  retired Hack
11, September 2014 4:19 pm

…and reporting themselves to a committee which was abolished in 2012 isn’t that impressive, either. It does beg the question of exactly how they went about doing that…

Victor Meldrew
11, September 2014 5:18 pm

Well, confusion reigns – how unusual. Remember the confusion over the PPC and her “membership” or not of the Association! As I remember not every independent councillor was a member of the Association and “the group” was not a formal body. We never did see rules of membership. All elected members signed up to was to abide by a code of conduct laid down by a man… Read more »

mike starke
11, September 2014 5:44 pm

Do you know what I really miss from these comments? Steve Stubbings and Phil Jordan. Wow! I really enjoyed their contributions. They were always scribbling away to OTW, weren’t they? Not any more, it seems. Oh, especially about the issue of a councillor allegedely trying to change a report…That no-one wants to talk about. I wonder what that was about? Of course, it’s far too important for… Read more »

Ode on melancholy
Reply to  mike starke
11, September 2014 6:10 pm

I hear that Phil had been trying to further his career in the Ryde East by-election, as his current ward is clearly not challenging enough for his great talent… Sadly, on reconsidering, he forgot to withdraw his name in time so he will still appear on the ballot paper as a redundancy. Is this politics before people do you think? He was proposed by right wing Tory… Read more »

phil jordan
Reply to  Ode on melancholy
11, September 2014 6:41 pm

ode on melancholy: The final date for inclusion in the election was exactly the same date as the final date for withdrawal. Go figure. I decided to stand because I do not want RTC to become politicised by an unopposed election. If you understand what is happening on the (Ryde) Council you will understand my comments. So, no furthering my career whatsoever…in fact, a very deep concern… Read more »

Ode on melancholy
Reply to  phil jordan
11, September 2014 8:24 pm

Phil It seems extraordinary that one can enter an election and expect people to believe that it is not a political act. Politics is the art of being elected in order to govern and to choose, usually in the face of others with different ideas and philosophies. It is true that you can assist people in a pastoral way as an elected member, but it is also… Read more »

phil jordan
Reply to  Ode on melancholy
11, September 2014 10:34 pm

ode to melancholy: I am NOT blaming anyone…. I am giving you the facts. My nomination was entered into the election at 4.00pm on the closing date. Since I had no way of knowing at that point if the election was to be contested I was happy to enter my nomination. When I learned shortly after there were other candidates I tried to withdraw…that was not possible… Read more »

Ode on melancholy
Reply to  Ode on melancholy
11, September 2014 11:28 pm

Phil

Sorry – got you all wrong – thought you were just playing politics like the rest of them….. By the way, are Priest and Gilbey still members of your group?

phil jordan
Reply to  Ode on melancholy
11, September 2014 11:58 pm

ode on melancholy:

Not sure where this will end up in the list but….

Thank you.

As far as I can say correctly, neither has been excluded from our group. I am not entirely sure if the Leader has that power anyway …it may ultimately full rest on a group decision.

The Leader can,. however, appoint and remove Executives.

davidwalter
Reply to  phil jordan
11, September 2014 10:42 pm

Phil “The final date for inclusion in the election was exactly the same date as the final date for withdrawal. Go figure.” It’s a very recent change, nationally nothing to do with the IoW. Clive Joynes told me a few weeks ago — didn’t he mention it to you? I forget which Act etc., but apparently the ability to withdraw after nominations close is considered ‘a bad… Read more »

tryme
Reply to  mike starke
11, September 2014 10:06 pm

Cllrs Stubbings and Jordan HAVE been very good here OTW, haven’t they Mike. Answering our questions, giving information, something the last administration didn’t dream of doing. Very refreshing.

So they’re not doing it just now? So what, it seems like a touchy time that would only be made worse by chatting about it here.

mike starke
11, September 2014 7:40 pm

Oh, and by the way. Anyone notice how the Isle of Wight is tasked by their national government masters to administer some £380m of taxpayers’ money each year? Anyone notice how much this has to do with who’s having a hissy fit with someone else in County Hall? Anyone notice how folk in Whitehall, who allocate the millions, might question why we have a local council while… Read more »

mike starke
11, September 2014 8:20 pm

Ah! Welcome back Phil Jordan! Nice of you to join in a strand, er… that does not call for you to speak about what’s REALLY going on in County Hall! However, I am a little puzzled by your statement: “Roger is a working colleague….I see nothing of his politics”. I know Cllr Roger Whitby-Smith very well and I know EXACTLY his politics. That is: slightly right of… Read more »

phil jordan
Reply to  mike starke
11, September 2014 10:17 pm

mike starke:

Pity mike you have chosen to do this….

Please read my statement VERY very carefully….

Black Dog
Reply to  mike starke
11, September 2014 10:28 pm

The Telescope has been placed firmly against the blind eye.

This administration has finally shown their true colours with a leader who appears desperate to hang in there even if it is at the expense of the entire independent movement to say nothing of the electorate who believed that they could make a difference.

phil jordan
Reply to  Black Dog
11, September 2014 10:38 pm

black dog:

This is not, and never has been about the Leader “hanging on”.

He has the majority support from within the Independent group… is that clear enough?

Black Bog
Reply to  phil jordan
11, September 2014 11:17 pm

Oh dear, clearly another nerve touched! Or is the telescope actually against the blind eye?

“Support of the majority” well let us hold that quote for a while. What’s that saying “a week in politics…………”

tryme
Reply to  Black Bog
11, September 2014 11:22 pm

So anyone responding to a puerile post has a “nerve touched”. No,just responding to a puerile post!

phil jordan
Reply to  Black Bog
11, September 2014 11:46 pm

black bog: (sic)

Once again, the Leader is supported by the majority of the Independent group members. I think it’s clear that the two(?) people leaving their posts would not be supporters of the Leader under the circumstances….

Black Bog
Reply to  Black Bog
12, September 2014 8:33 am

@tryme. Once again I find myself trying to understand your naive stance defending the un defendable. This administration lacks leadership and purpose, there is enough evidence out there to prove the point. @Mr Jordan. Saying things often enough and it will be believed, seems to be order of the day. So when your in a hole stop digging, the truth will out and the usual suspects will… Read more »

phil jordan
Reply to  Black Bog
12, September 2014 10:11 am

black bog:

I am not in a hole.

If you wish not to have the facts put before you directly then I cannot help you further.

tryme
11, September 2014 10:37 pm

Last I heard people here were saying Cllr Stephens needs to be a decisive leader, and now he’s clearly asserted himself, (and I have no idea of the rights and wrongs of it), that’s not right either …

Robert Jones
Reply to  tryme
11, September 2014 11:37 pm

I have some sympathy with that point of view, but it isn’t helping the situation that we have a lot of words here which don’t, to me – and I’m not excessively stupid – really seem to mean anything. Perhaps we should be specific about the problem, at least so far as I see it. We have an Independent group running the Isle of Wight Council, which… Read more »

tryme
Reply to  Robert Jones
12, September 2014 4:54 pm

We elected human beings, not angels! People get reshuffled by prime ministers, employers sack or put out of harm’s way employees they can’t trust. We often don’t know what lies behind it, just the outcome. Here we are so short of excitement we will pull it all to bits till we get bored. Squabbling always happens at some stage, so let’s not regret we can’t count on… Read more »

Albert Street
Reply to  tryme
12, September 2014 11:14 am

Decisive and Assertive are two words that can not be used to describe the leader of the council.

tryme
Reply to  Albert Street
12, September 2014 4:45 pm

Oh but I just did!

mike starke
11, September 2014 11:41 pm

Phil Jordan says: “Pity Mike you have chosen to do this…” What? … Chosen to do WHAT? …Be a taxpaying voter who is fed up to the back teeth with elected members and paid officials who seem not to know whether it’s a***hole or breakfast time, wasting my money? Yeah, Phil. That’s what I’ve chosen to do. I’ve chosen to be fed up. …Be fed up, and… Read more »

phil jordan
Reply to  mike starke
11, September 2014 11:50 pm

Mike starke:

No mike, your attempt at turning what I said into something else… which is why I said read it VERY carefully.

and what’s with all the SHOUTING?

tryme
Reply to  mike starke
11, September 2014 11:58 pm

A childish rant (upset that mummy and daddy are arguing?) despite the exhortation that someone else grows up. I certainly expected better (with good past reason) of Mike Starke. The topic here is the email, so it is not a case of “ego-tripping about who did what and to whom”, when time would better be spent on the bigger issues. OTW posted the article, people respond, and… Read more »

Robert Jones
Reply to  tryme
12, September 2014 12:18 am

The genuine substance of the disagreement between Priest, Gilbey, Stevens, and Stubbings would be a start, and that’s what we’re not getting. You don’t just sack an Executive member, Richard Priest, who has had his mug all over the County Press for the past few months as the most recognizable public face of the Council, because you’ve suddenly taken a dislike to his taste in neckwear. You… Read more »

tryme
Reply to  Robert Jones
12, September 2014 12:31 am

If squabbling is bad publicity for the Indies, (certainly the CP played down or ignored internicine issues of the Tories, while the Indies will be pilloried, there and here), giving all the details about it will certainly not help. Prime Ministers do reshuffles, people squabble, lighten up, move on!

Victor Meldrew
12, September 2014 12:42 am

Ofsted report said: “The lead member has the passion, commitment and ambition to spearhead the raising of educational standards on the island. He spends considerable time visiting schools and gathering the views of headteachers, teachers, parents and carers, pupils and governors, in order to gauge the impact of the actions taken by officers. As a result, he has an accurate understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of… Read more »

tryme
Reply to  Victor Meldrew
12, September 2014 6:03 am

At last some recognition here that the Indies done good with education, and it isn’t just about Hampshire’s support! Praise sadly lacking until it can be used against them.

sam salt
Reply to  tryme
12, September 2014 9:09 am

@Tryme, I don’t believe that it was “recognition that the Indies done good with education”, more that Richard Priest was the right man for the job. Let’s not take it away from Richard that he has done a brilliant job whilst on the Executive. He deserves thanks, the portfolio he was given must have been a difficult one. Jon Gilbey I am not so sure about. I… Read more »

tryme
Reply to  sam salt
12, September 2014 4:40 pm

Tess, I have often posted admiration for Cllr Priest, and my comment here was just another way of putting it.

When any leader who represents a group matches a capable individual to a post, both can be congratulated.

tryme
Reply to  tryme
12, September 2014 4:43 pm

Though whether or not Cllr Priest has behaved well in this situation I have yet to decide!

mike starke
12, September 2014 1:00 am

Well, Phil; you asked the question: “What’s with all the shouting.” I’ll tell you then old chap. It’s because of the frustration and, dare one say it in the presence of fluffy bunnies who don’t like raised voices; anger… at the way we are consistently badly served by those who are paid, through our taxes, to oversee public services. Do you really want a list of the… Read more »

tryme
12, September 2014 6:18 am

If Mike can’t get his points across without playground jibes (though is much more readable without the shouting – was that ‘being the change you want to see’?), I wonder at his being so surprised at the Indies having a tiff amomgst themselves.

tryme
Reply to  tryme
12, September 2014 6:40 am

At last a pleasant OTW photo of Cllr Priest! ;-D

Man in Black
12, September 2014 8:13 am

Poor little Jon Gilbey seems to be a very confused man.

He can’t seem to get his story straight.

One minute he’s saying he’s been dismissed (when the Indies are quite clear he hasn’t), then he tells the County Press that he’s resigned, but in the paper is also quoted as saying he’s been sacked.

peaceful_life
12, September 2014 11:12 am

Is this it?…….is this the level of things? We’re up to our collective necks with predicaments and situations which are affecting us *ALL* irrespective of whatever pseudo perceptions we think we have of ourselves regarding class or political persuasion and this……this is it?….a complete meltdown into Machiavellian cowardice. It wouldn’t seam half as tedious *IF* we were even afforded the luxury of wasting what ever time we… Read more »

Black Dog
12, September 2014 11:32 am

I have just seen the CP online headline “Councillor quits Independants and hits out at leader” Now we all know what councillor Blezzard is like, we may not like his approach or the way he delivers his message sometimes. However one thing you cannot fault Mr Blezzard on, is his focus on fact and detail. He will not commit to paper what he cannot back up with… Read more »

wightwonders
12, September 2014 11:35 am

If the unelected officers/Davina are providing suspect advice as mentioned in previous posts, who is going to stand up to them? It must be the councillors, whom we elect to do so. But can Councillors do that without fear of being removed from their posts?

phil jordan
12, September 2014 12:13 pm

wightwonders:

Can I put your mind at rest by explaining that officers cannot remove Councillors from their post. Only the electorate (and self inflicted actions that preclude office) can do that at election time.

Cynic
Reply to  phil jordan
12, September 2014 12:28 pm

That is why we electors rely on the honesty and trustworthiness of those who choose to represent us.

In my opinion, those representatives who change the ideology on which they were elected- but refuse to resign and offer themselves in a bye-election- fully deserve all the opprobrium accorded to “turncoats” in medieval times who also swapped sides for personal advantage.

wightwonders
Reply to  phil jordan
12, September 2014 1:53 pm

Thank you for the reply, but to put my mind at rest you would need to convince me that you and your fellow councillors are brave enough to stand up to officers in the face of their guidance that may be suspect. Its easy for me (the electorate) to say that, but its you guys who are the ones who will put yourself in the firing line… Read more »

Victor Meldrew
12, September 2014 1:25 pm

Thanks, Black Dog, for the “heads up”. It now seems that there is a solid basis for some of the assertions made by Priest/Gilbey that demand investigation – and not by Davina who, I am sure is a competent and honourable officer – but by an independent (ironic use of word)person of integrity. It would seem that Cllr Jordans hole digging was in sand and it’s all… Read more »

Black Dog
Reply to  Victor Meldrew
12, September 2014 1:49 pm

Since the abolition of the Standards Committee investigations relating to the alleged breach of the code of conduct or complaints made against councillors, must now be investigated by the monitoring officer with an independent person, of which there is a panel to choose from. Given the monitoring officers involvement in the issue she must be regarded as conflicted and therefore excluded from any investigation. Furthermore the panel… Read more »

Ian Young
12, September 2014 4:07 pm

Whilst all of this was almost inevitable, it is nevertheless regrettable, at least in so far as it has undoubtedly increased the possibility of an early return to a Tory controlled administration. The Independents could soon find themselves fighting for their survival, and whilst they may think they are above grubby politics, doing deals with other amenable non –Tory groups may be an answer, and as such… Read more »

Robbo
Reply to  Ian Young
12, September 2014 4:38 pm

Spot on Ian. Whither Labour’s two? Or UKIP’s two? Or even lonely Liberal Reg Barry, defender of the Clegg, in all of this? No one wants the Tories back and the numbers seem very close if these 4 rebels support a Tory takeover bid. I make it 19 of them to 16 remaining Independents and then those 5. Has Stephens even got a majority?

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