Alternative Operator Sought for Shanklin to Ventnor Rail Link

Whilst we’re on the subject of buses.

Alternative Operator Sought for Shanklin to Ventnor Rail LinkStuart George from the Isle of Wight Bus Users Group was invited to speak at the Ventnor Town Council (VTC) meeting last week.

The reason for his visit was to discuss the future of the Shanklin to Ventnor rail link bus service, number 16.

Rail link being scrapped
As many will already be aware, from the beginning of September the Wightbus rail link will be abolished.

Mr George explained to the meeting that the number 16 was in fact a combination of two routes. The Wightbus Shanklin to Ventnor service received no funding from the Isle of Wight council, but the Ventnor to St Lawrence service was council funded.

He went on to say that the latter section would be replaced by the number 31 service on Mondays to Fridays, mornings only.

‘Not a loss’
Mr George told the meeting that he’d had seen confidential papers showing that the route was not losing money and the only reason it was being stopped, was due to the school transport contract being awarded to Southern Vectis and Wightbus having to sell the bus that usually serviced the route 16.

He went on to express concern that the bus cuts would put extra pressure on the local car parks and may even prevent residents in Niton and Whitwell from shopping in Ventnor in the future.

Alternatives discussed
In order to tackle the problem that cutting the route would result in, three options were suggested

  • 1. Do nothing
  • 2. Persuade the IWC to reverse their decision
  • 3. Find an alternative operator

As the route was not running at a loss, it was hoped that an alternative operator might be found to provide an alternative to the Number 3 Southern Vectis route.

Sub-committee created
It was agreed to create a sub-committee of councillors to work with Stuart George to find an alternative operator.

Cllrs Robinson, George, Stubbings, and Bonney would form the sub-committee.

Ventnor resident, Klaus Kuhnke, who owns a double decker Routemaster bus, also agreed to join the sub-committee.

Resolutions passed
Following the discussions, Mr George was thanked for his time and two resolutions were passed by councillors.

Firstly, that the clerk write to Edward Giles and Stuart Love to ask for a delay to the withdrawal of service by three months, giving time for an alternative operator to be found.

The second resolution was to seek clarification and justification from the IWC.

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Insider
16, August 2010 1:47 pm

Setting up a bus service would be relatively simple, the issue would be in collecting concessionary fares from a council inclined to wriggle out of such payments. This is what gives Southern Vectis (a big operator) and Wightbus (Council owned) such an advantage at the moment.

John
Reply to  Insider
16, August 2010 2:19 pm

This service will probably end up a ghost bus most of the time-like the ill fated driver only wave rider between Brading and Sandown stations,which ran empty for years! Why cannot the regular Southern Vectis bus from Shanklin to Ventnor start at or call at Shanklin Railway Station before going to Ventnor?

Amanda
Reply to  John
16, August 2010 2:23 pm

Not just the fact people have to walk to Somerfields, but also the difference in price.

John
Reply to  Amanda
16, August 2010 3:32 pm

If Southern Vectis picked up from the Station,you would not have to walk to Somerfield. Of course,if Southern Vectis provided the service,they would have to accept the concessionary fare previously provided for the Shanklin-Ventnor railbus link.

Rowan
16, August 2010 4:16 pm

You don’t have to walk from the station to Somerfield (which is only a few minutes’ walk anyway) – the no. 3 goes a few yards away! All that is needed to make the service the same as the no. 16 is for the no. 3 bus to actually pull in to the station forecourt; and for the no. 3 to go to Ventnor Botanic Garden or… Read more »

LC
Reply to  Rowan
17, August 2010 6:06 pm

I’m with Rowan 100% on this one. I don’t see why the Raillink bus and the No. 3 should roll along together between Ventnor and Shanklin.

Furthermore, the body of the article above states that ‘residents of Whitwell and Niton will not be able to shop in Ventnor’. Are they not aware of the no. 6 bus?

Insider
16, August 2010 5:54 pm

Would the route still be subsidised by the council, or are they withdrawing the subsidy as well?

Also if any one is going to go up against SV then they should be wary of their past behaviour towards competitors, competition is badly needed but easily crushed!

Southern Vectis
16, August 2010 8:49 pm

We have been wanting to go into the station for about 6 years, but were initially refused on the grounds that it would compete with the rail link. However, the current management are far more enlightened, and we are in detailed discussions with them about getting the 3 into the station.

Rubber Bullett
16, August 2010 9:47 pm

I think SV provide a very good service. The £5 return offer was good yesterday, to and from the garlic show from anywhere on the Island. Great value and it meant I could have a few beers without worry.

Insider
Reply to  Rubber Bullett
16, August 2010 9:59 pm

Funny how they can’t do anything like that for their normal routes isn’t it!

Sailor Sam
Reply to  Insider
17, August 2010 7:13 pm

No doubt that SV will try and get some for of ‘compensation’ for the extra time required to run into the station… just like they did to serve Tesco.

John
16, August 2010 10:25 pm

I would rather have a combined Southern Vectis/Rail Link bus than make Islanders pay out of Council Tax for an expensive to run regular large bus, that ran to Ventnor and return with a driver and between 6 and 0 passengers!

In tough economic times,you have to compromise for what is best for the customer and the tax payer.

Insider
Reply to  John
16, August 2010 10:27 pm

Southern Vectis would still collect concessionary fares and a possible Rail Link subsidy from the IWC for the service, it wouldn’t be a big saving.

Insider
Reply to  Insider
16, August 2010 10:35 pm

Or indeed a competitor would, were one to step up.

redone
Reply to  Insider
16, August 2010 11:29 pm

“Mr George told the meeting that he’d had seen confidential papers showing that the route was not losing money and the only reason it was being stopped, was due to the school transport contract being awarded to Southern Vectis and Wightbus having to sell the bus that usually serviced the route 16” Maybe it was not losing money, but was it making money? This is what another… Read more »

Klaus Kuhnke
Reply to  redone
17, August 2010 12:14 am

I believe I said at the meeting that a Routemaster is not the solution and, you are right, I am no more qualified then the next person. I do have a couple of ideas though and the means of trying them out, if there is interest.

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