Appeal For Witnesses After Racial Abuse Allegation

This in from the Police, in their own words. Ed

Police blue lightPolice are appealing for witnesses to come forward after an allegation of racially aggravated abuse affecting a woman travelling aboard a bus on the Isle of Wight.

A 33-year-old woman of Oriental origin, who lives on the island, boarded a number five Southern Vectis service at Newport Bus Station at around 9.50pm on Monday, September 12, 2011.

Police investigating alleged abuse
Officers are continuing to investigate a report that the Oriental woman was the victim of racially aggravated verbal abuse spoken by another passenger on the bus.

It’s alleged the abuse took place between 10.05pm and 10.10pm on Monday, September 12, 2011 when the Oriental woman was getting off the bus in Whippingham.

Initial enquiries have established that several other passengers were on the number five service at the time and could be potential witnesses.

Police are appealing for these passengers to come forward so officers can establish the exact circumstances surrounding what happened.

Get on touch
Anyone with information is asked to contact PC Mandy Bill at Newport Police Station by phoning 101.

From outside Hampshire and the Isle of Wight, call police on 0845 045 45 45. Mini-Com users can call the police on 01962 875000. Information can be given anonymously by calling the Crimestoppers charity on 0800 555 111

Image: J D Mack under CC BY 2.0

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Steve The YAK
22, September 2011 5:13 pm

‘Oriental Woman’ indeed! I think that the police need to watch what they say! I’m very nearly offended by this remark. They’ll be refering to me as ‘A South Island Man of The Wroxall Type’ next.

BRIAN
Reply to  Steve The YAK
20, November 2012 3:52 pm

No need to mention the ethnicity of the lady. All that they needed to say was ” a 33 year old woman who lives on the Island…”

John
22, September 2011 5:29 pm

Not surprised-a lot of ignorant people on the Island.I was a British person driving a Polish car on the Island last September and had a racist Islander tail gating from Yarmouth to Newport(and refusing to overtake) me for this reason. Police were not interested when I reported it.

John
Reply to  John
22, September 2011 5:34 pm

Acutally they were trying to run me off the road,as it was dark and they were dazzling me with undipped head lights,so they were trying to cause accident-it was delibrate I am sure.Police said they could not help without a registration number!

Victoria Meldrew
Reply to  John
22, September 2011 5:51 pm

Islanders always drive like this ! Nothing to do with race

Steve The YAK
Reply to  Victoria Meldrew
22, September 2011 8:17 pm

Oh no Victoria, they weren’t racing! Islanders never race…..apart from the mad 70mph dash up the dual (or is it duel?) carriageway, by frustrated 45 year old
teenagers.

mark francis
Reply to  Steve The YAK
23, September 2011 9:48 am

I have always had the impression that Island driving is at two speeds; like maniacs over the Downs Road, Military Road & Forest Road & dead slow everywhere else.

gilly
22, September 2011 9:54 pm

wonder what would happen if i was verbally abused on the bus?? hmmmm! had things stolen from my shed last week, police were not interested in the slightest!! this worlds gone crazy!

mark francis
Reply to  gilly
23, September 2011 9:42 am

Call me old-fashioned, but in my experience the threat of immediate retaliatory violence is the only thing these scum understand.

John
Reply to  mark francis
23, September 2011 3:16 pm

Yes,but in this crazy police PC world,you would be persecuted and prosecuted,not the one who caused the retaliation in the first place.

John
Reply to  gilly
23, September 2011 3:10 pm

Yes,Police were not interested when someone cut a tree down in my garden a few years ago. Although there was a footprint in the saw dust and we had a good idea who carried out the crime,the police did not bother to turn up,let alone investigate.

tryme
24, September 2011 6:44 pm

I hope we can all be supportive of someone who merely by dint of their racial origin is being subjected to threatening behaviour? As a woman this lady might feel even more worried by it. Anyone care for a female in their family to be abused as they get off a bus? Joking about it & comparing it to incidents that don’t strike at the heart of… Read more »

john
Reply to  tryme
25, September 2011 12:27 am

The tree was cut down in knowledge of who the victim was in order to cause alarm and distress and the feel of personal threat.This is the same as racism. The taligating was done to a Polish registered car because it was Polish and this was a racist incident therefore,as it was aimed at what the racist thought was a Polish person inside.I tried stopping to let… Read more »

Sir Sterling
24, September 2011 10:32 pm

Tailgating? Are you serious?

If someone tail-gates you, and you feel intimidated, why not just pull over and let them through?

john
Reply to  Sir Sterling
25, September 2011 12:29 am

Yes read above-it was done to a Polish registered car in the dark with undipped headlights.They refused to pass.

john
25, September 2011 12:38 am

PS The Police did not help at all-in fact I had to force them to take details of the racist tailgating incident over the phone.How can you get a regstration number when someone is blinding you with their undipped headlights on purpose trying to make you have an accident?!

Sir Sterling
Reply to  john
25, September 2011 1:03 pm

Surely if you STOP, they have to pass? I think your imagination got a little carried away.

john
Reply to  Sir Sterling
25, September 2011 2:20 pm

Not they did not pass when I stopped to let them overtake,just got closer.This was not imagination,it was fact.

driver
Reply to  john
25, September 2011 3:46 pm

sorry, I still do not understand. You say they were tailgating but when you stopped they got closer??

How can you get closer than tailgating? and if you stopped they also must have stopped! How long did you wait before driving off again?

john
Reply to  driver
25, September 2011 5:29 pm

I mean I indicated I was stopping to let them pass and they did not make a move to overtake. All this time they were blinding me with undipped headlights.I waited for about 10 seconds stopped and then pulled out again and they followed the same close distance as before with undipped lights. I fail to see how you cannot see this was a deliberated act to… Read more »

Sir Sterling
Reply to  driver
25, September 2011 6:00 pm

I’m sorry, I do think you may have an over-active imagination. Some Islanders don’t like overtaking at night, you sound as if you were behaving a little oddly, indicating , pulling over, slowing down, speeding up etc. Car interior mirrors have an anti-dazzle setting. Why didn’t you use yours? I think deciding this minor incident was ‘racism’ is a big stretch, no wonder the boys in blue… Read more »

mark francis
25, September 2011 1:22 am

I understand that BNP membership names & addresses on the IOW are in the public domain.
All gone quiet over there innit?

Just saying, that’s all.

No.5
Reply to  mark francis
25, September 2011 3:19 am

Irrelevent really because the BNP won’t exist in 6 months time and the bigots will have to find another party to join..or start a new one

mark francis
Reply to  No.5
25, September 2011 4:53 am

I am counting the days.

EinsteinsGhost
Reply to  No.5
25, September 2011 9:07 am

So what happens in six months time?

mark francis
Reply to  EinsteinsGhost
25, September 2011 10:41 am

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/jul/27/new-british-fascism-matthew-goodwin-review

http://bnpideas.com/?p=1979

http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2011/09/clock-is-ticking.html

Six months is an estimate. They may not last that long. They may be wound up in the next week or so.

Dig deep Mr Clynch, there must be a couple of pennies down the sofa cushions!

No.5
Reply to  EinsteinsGhost
25, September 2011 1:21 pm

They are about to be declared bankrupt.

EinsteinsGhost
Reply to  No.5
25, September 2011 1:27 pm

Bankrupt? Maybe their is a God after all!

Don Smith
Reply to  No.5
25, September 2011 11:20 am

The BNP has over one million members and is going from strength to strength.

It is the only party that will stop the mass immigration and secure jobs for the British people. Getting rid of illegal immigrants would create over one million jobs.

Know you facts No5.

No.5
Reply to  Don Smith
25, September 2011 1:20 pm

Don and facts..interesting concept. The BNP has less than 200,000 members, is about to be kicked out of the European parliament for fraud, about to be declared bankrupt in the UK…has insufficient funds to pay its own suppliers, was electorally wiped out UK wide in the last election and 80% of its councillors have joined other parties or gone independent. Its two Euro MPS are at each… Read more »

EinsteinsGhost
Reply to  Don Smith
25, September 2011 1:32 pm

Going Bankrupt eh? Hope you were paying your subs in instalments Don rather than up-front.

mark francis
Reply to  EinsteinsGhost
25, September 2011 6:03 pm

In my list of BNP members there is no Don Smith, however no political party in the UK has a million members & certainly not the BNP. No5 is correct. The BNP owe the Royal Mail £60k & each other large sums for suing one another (Michaela McKenzie & Mark Collett), quite apart from the Equalities Commission case. Have Marmite been paid off for misuse of their… Read more »

No.5
Reply to  EinsteinsGhost
25, September 2011 6:14 pm

You should look at the misuse of EU funds and wage grants case against them. Marmite has not been settled and two members of admin staff have outstanding debts for unfair dismissal.

Morally bankrupt for two decades……now financially bankrupt as well

Don Smith
Reply to  EinsteinsGhost
25, September 2011 8:44 pm

I bet my wife that No 5. would bite:-)
And he was not the only one!

Sorry to be off the topic and for jesting.
Laugh and No.5. Laughs with you:-)

Polka Dot
Reply to  EinsteinsGhost
26, September 2011 12:51 am

maybe so Don… but he was right wasnt he….
sit and laugh at him all you like, at the end of the day, i dont think he thinks mis-information is a game, or a joke.
rightly so….
If you want to make certain claims, which are untrue, expect someone to come along and correct you.

No.5
Reply to  EinsteinsGhost
26, September 2011 5:57 pm

Don always makes such statement claiming a wind up once he has ended up with egg on his face…ususally he claims he has a ‘friend who sends him information’…;)

In reality it is clear where Don Smiths alliegences lie…with the far right extremists muck rakers and liers

john
25, September 2011 7:11 pm

In reply to Sir Sterling,I did use my anti dazzle reflector,but this did not help a great deal with undipped headlights a short distance behind me. I do not see how you can act as judge and jury,as you were not there and to suggest that my imagination is over-active is just insulting and to suggest the police did not show an interest because of over imagination… Read more »

driver
Reply to  john
25, September 2011 7:22 pm

Sorry,again I’m unsure how you indicate you are stopping, yes the left indicator will show you intend to turn left not necessarily stopping. But surely when you actually stopped they must have passed you or else they themselves also stopped. In which case why didn’t you wait until they left?

john
Reply to  driver
25, September 2011 7:51 pm

For goodness sake driver-what is there to understand? Indicated left,slowed down to a stop to wait for the following car to over take.Following car stopped also and refused to overtake but kept headlights on full beam behind me. How long was I supposed to remain stationary waiting for a car to overtake,who had other intentions in mind?

driver
Reply to  john
25, September 2011 8:11 pm

I’d have given it at least a minute or two and pulled off the road.

john
Reply to  driver
25, September 2011 9:12 pm

Well,then,if their intent was malicious,as it appeared to me and they follow me off the road where there are no witnesses,I would be in a dangerous position with regard to personal safety.

driver
Reply to  driver
25, September 2011 10:04 pm

Pulling off the road means; pulling up on a verge, edging up on a pavement/footpath in other words moving over so the other car can pass without moving into oncoming traffic. That would not put you into a “dangerous position with no witnesses”, In all honesty what did you expect from the police? You could not give them a registration, a discription of the car nor occupants… Read more »

john
25, September 2011 7:18 pm

What is &amp mean?I have no idea!

mark francis
Reply to  john
25, September 2011 9:34 pm

My dad used to go around the roads on the IOW visiting insurance clients in the evening & he always carried a tyre lever under the seat for just this kind of situation. However when a car full of yobs were racially abusing my wife in Cornwall, I found a notepad & pen helped better by getting down the licence plate & securing convictions for the yobboes… Read more »

Sir Sterling
Reply to  mark francis
25, September 2011 9:37 pm

Yes, it’s very proportionate to attack someone with a metal bar, who just happens to be following you, dazzling you with their headlights :(

mark francis
Reply to  Sir Sterling
25, September 2011 9:46 pm

My father never had occasion to do so, but considered it a matter of self defence.
The likelihood of his being racially abused in the lanes of the IOW in the 1960s would of course be unlikely

Steve The YAK
Reply to  john
25, September 2011 10:05 pm

John, ‘&amp’ is a mistranscribed ‘and’ by the computer, and hey, keep up the fight…don’t let the bast***s grind you down!

Sir Sterling
25, September 2011 9:31 pm

When someone stops behind me, I don’t fear for my personal safety, I don’t give it a thought. Are you seriously suggesting they would break-in to your car and assault you? As for being dazzled, maybe it was an elderly driver, who left his main beam on by accident? Or perhaps you are easily dazzled? This happens to most of us as we get older, night driving.… Read more »

john
Reply to  Sir Sterling
25, September 2011 9:51 pm

Man in a white can, elderly ,I think not! In these particular threatening circumstances,yes I was in fear for my and my wife’s personal safety.It was a deliberate act designed to bully and threaten.I take this very seriously,although obviously you know better Sterling Moss!

mark francis
Reply to  john
25, September 2011 9:56 pm

I think you are generally advised not to get out of the car, but the circumstances that this guy was driving at you could have caused injury to occupants of both cars whatever his motivation. I think you were quite right to be concerned.

john
Reply to  Sir Sterling
25, September 2011 9:52 pm

And I have 20/20 vision and am under 50 thank you very much!

Steve The YAK
Reply to  john
25, September 2011 10:07 pm

20/20 vision? Ah! you’re American!

Steve The YAK
Reply to  Steve The YAK
26, September 2011 12:31 am

So John, you’re American…no wonder they were ‘tailgating’ you! (I should have realized..ooops! realised, when you said ‘tailgating’!)…how far from your fender were they?

john
Reply to  Steve The YAK
26, September 2011 8:28 am

Steve–I was born on the Isle of Wight-happens to be in UK not USA!Please get your facts right.Who told you I was from the USA?You appear to be making this up,but I do not know why-maybe you were the one tailgating me?

john
Reply to  Steve The YAK
26, September 2011 8:31 am

Steve-you are not funny or clever-although you appear to think your silly comments are both.

Steve The YAK
Reply to  john
26, September 2011 9:17 am

You maybe right John, my remarks are not funny or clever, but at least they’re not nasty! If you were born on the Isle of Wight then you’ve never been into an opticians and been told that you have 20/20 vision….even if you’re under 50, thank you very much! It’s an Americanism. Do you get it now? Oh, God..I’m still not funny or clever.

mark francis
Reply to  john
26, September 2011 9:31 am

20/20 is a measurement in feet.
The metric equivalent is 6/6. Perhaps measuring things in feet makes you American. I thought it was quite cool buying petrol (“gas”)in gallons.

john
26, September 2011 8:46 am

I have driven all across most of Europe and the UK and I can certainly say that the the most agressive vindictive are found on the Yarmouth road,Forest road and the Downs road between Brading and the Hare and Hounds!(especially if you are driving a foreign registered car).

It is certainly not true that Island drivers are all polite-not these days.

driver
Reply to  john
26, September 2011 10:12 am

Islanders may well be the worst drivers but it doesn’t make them RACISTS!

john
Reply to  driver
26, September 2011 11:38 am

Some of them are certainly racist,as in any population.

mark francis
26, September 2011 10:59 am

Racially abusing a woman on a bus does, but what you have to remember is that if only one in a thousand is a scumbag, that’s the one you notice not the 999 decent people.
The problem is when such behaviour is accepted by the “silent majority”.

For evil to prosper it is only necessary for good people to do nothing.

john
Reply to  mark francis
26, September 2011 11:59 am

Very true that for evil to prosper,it only necessary for the good to do nothing.However,very difficult to do something in Stalin or Putin’s Russia,or Hitler’s Germany.That takes real courage too,when your life and others innocents lives are at stake. I agree that we should all stand up to racism ,or any other harmful criminal act against the person,even if it it is just noting down a registration… Read more »

john
26, September 2011 11:43 am

Yes,sorry Yak that I snapped with with the American 20/20 joke-got it now.Scrolled up after the event.

I just had my jousting armour on with picky questioning of my version of events from a few members in the blog,to which I had to reply.

john
Reply to  john
26, September 2011 11:46 am

PS Yak,I am sure you are clever and funny in a dry homour kind of way!

Steve The YAK
Reply to  john
26, September 2011 12:23 pm

Now that’s a good idea! PS YAK! I could buy and restore the old Ryde Queen (PS Ryde) and re-name it PS YAK (Paddle Steamer YAK) and take all us retired old misery-guts, axe-to-grind, Isle of Wight perfect 28 mph drivers, for a trip around the island and ‘tailgate’ that other PS..Waverley! We’ll show ’em that us islanders are not to be messed with!

Steve The YAK
Reply to  Steve The YAK
12, December 2011 3:24 pm

Steve The YAK or whoever you are…you’re just not funny.

steve the yak
Reply to  Steve The YAK
20, November 2012 11:37 am

Hey, Yakkers…you’re hilarious!!

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