Council share update on Superfast Broadband

At last week’s Scrutiny Panel meeting, Cllr Reg Barry questioned the timings for the roll-out of superfast broadband. This in from the council, in their own words. Ed


Superfast broadband is a step closer for homes and businesses in rural area across the Isle of Wight.

Fibre lightIssues relating to state aid have now been resolved by the government and EU meaning the Isle of Wight Council can push ahead with planned investment in an Island-wide superfast broadband network.

£3m investment by the IWC
The council is investing £3 million to ensure that superfast fibre broadband is available across the Island, not just in the main towns. The money is part of the council’s wider efforts to stimulate the local economy and create jobs. This money has also secured £3 million of additional investment from government

Now the state aid issues have been resolved, the council has created a timetable to roll out superfast broadband Island-wide.

Formal process starts today
The first milestone is today (Monday 11 February) when the council, using the government’s procurement framework, commences the formal process to select a contractor. The successful contractor will provide further funding to the scheme and install the infrastructure required to bring superfast broadband to the largely rural areas that are not covered by commercial investment in some of the Island’s towns.

The contractor will be appointed in September 2013 with work on the ground likely to start in the following Spring.

“Delighted to be able to start work on this important project”
George Brown, Isle of Wight Council cabinet member responsible for the economy said: “We recognise the huge benefits superfast broadband will bring and are delighted to be able to start work on this important project.

“Without the council’s investment only the Island’s towns would have access to the fastest speeds and we feel that in order to grow the Island’s economy and attract inward investment, the whole Island should have access to the latest technology.”

The news was welcomed by Norman Arnold of the Isle of Wight Federation of Small Businesses, who said: “Having fast internet speeds across the Island is vital to the success of our small businesses – particularly those in more rural areas. I am delighted the state aid issue has now been resolved allowing the council to push ahead with what is very welcome investment in the local business infrastructure.”

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pallance
11, February 2013 4:54 pm

Lets hope that the contractor implementing the ‘superfast’ broadband is properly accredited with a good track reord of delivering quality projects on time and on budget. That would be a refreshing result from a Council involved scheme

JamesP
11, February 2013 4:57 pm

This is all fine in principle (and here in Arreton, even moderately-fast broadband would be a major improvement), but I’d like to know who gets the investment? BT owns virtually all the phone lines and have to replace and upgrade them as part of normal maintenance – they must be delighted at the prospect of a local authority handing them extra money just to change a few… Read more »

Stephen
11, February 2013 5:09 pm

You may even find that BT, if successful in their bid, may require extra monies to make good their own previous lack of maintenance in the holes and poles department ie inspection chambers full of muck and water which may be Ok for copper wire fed telephones but not too hot to carry the new superfast BB signal from the cabinet to the property having been converted,… Read more »

JamesP
Reply to  Stephen
11, February 2013 7:06 pm

I’m sure you’re right, but I’ve had BT engineers out several times in the last year or two to rectify both phone and BB faults, and it’s clear that the local wiring (which is nearly 40 years old) is going to need replacing pretty soon whether or not the Council sponsor it. Not sure BT need the money!

Bystander
11, February 2013 5:58 pm

Ironic that the Internet is riddled with scams

wightywight
11, February 2013 9:47 pm

I do wish people understood more fully the actual situation here. BT are committed to and are already rolling out fibre cabling for fast broadband across the Island but in ONLY urban areas… towns outskirts that sort of thing. The major towns are all included in that rollout scheme. This has ABSOLUTELY nothing whatsoever to do with a central government scheme to provide broadband into rural areas… Read more »

Colin
Reply to  wightywight
12, February 2013 10:01 am

I agree with wightywight. Given that the council can’t find £5,000 (or thereabouts) to support the paddling pools or money to clean the toilets, £3,000,000 is a lot to spend on a faster broadband network. I would prefer to see the council spend council tax payers money on updating and maintaining it’s own buildings and responsibilities. It’s a bit like the HS2 train. Do we need to… Read more »

stephen
Reply to  Colin
12, February 2013 1:29 pm

‘just a fraction faster’ when FTTC can achieve download & upload speeds upto x20 faster than now, then that is some fraction. Another benefit of ‘faster’ is that more users at one site can all have a good service. Imagine a family with two teenagers both on their separate Facebook pages plus on-line TV and Skyping to overseas relatives. Overtime more TV material will be available on… Read more »

Bystander
12, February 2013 10:26 am

Little doubt that after we have paid to upgrade the infrastructure which BT use to make money out of us that we will then be paying them more for this faster service. Perhaps BT should be upgrading it out of their profits and we should have the option of whether we wish to pay for a faster service or stay as we are.

wightywight
Reply to  Bystander
12, February 2013 11:10 am

Thank you colin…… the problem with WightFibre is that their coverage is quite sparse… :0(( [and from a posting they made here a while back, perhaps might have been a CP piece – they cannot tender for the BT work…] Bystander, it’s quite clear that the new BT infinity service will be at a premium…it may not be hugely more expensive ..but it will cost more. As… Read more »

Bystander
Reply to  wightywight
12, February 2013 11:28 am

So are you claiming what is proposed to be future proof then?

The problem is state subsides, if there’s a market there’s is a market, if not we are subsidising executive salaries and bonuses.

wightywight
Reply to  Bystander
12, February 2013 12:05 pm

@bystander:

Nope. I’m not even claiming anything!
Just that this is about the future of the internet and NOT about fast broadband per se…..
It’s about business opportunities that streaming will present and offer..

WW

Bystander
Reply to  wightywight
12, February 2013 12:20 pm

Well the EU budget cuts will kill high-speed connections needed by rural homes and businesses as the budget for rural broadband, ‘vital to creating new businesses’ has been cut by €8.2bn (£7bn) to just €1bn. Thanks to Cameron and the Tories foresight

Bystander
Reply to  wightywight
12, February 2013 11:35 am

As for the future is…….. streaming I looked into buying a very expensive Internet radio recently but gave up on the idea when I discovered how much power it consumes, so much so that when moving it from room to room batteries weren’t viable as it flattened them so fast. So wireless wasn’t even wireless any longer as it had to be plugged into the mains. I… Read more »

Colin
Reply to  wightywight
12, February 2013 11:41 am

Oh, my mistake, then. The article said it would benefit small businesses. I could never understand how, though. I don’t think the council should be involved in anything as regards “streaming” and entertainment. Let’s face it, the council is incapable of running almost anything with any foresight or effective business plan. Now it’s the “Harbours” they can’t afford to run and want to sell off. There’s an… Read more »

wightywight
Reply to  Colin
12, February 2013 12:20 pm

@colin: One aspect that is moving ahead with pace is that *cloud* computing is now being seen as a perfectly normal and acceptable business model. If you are either running cloud based software and/or cloud based storage…then a good internet connection is *more* beneficial. It’s not a one size cap fits all though…. depends on the business type and what it does on the internet for a… Read more »

stephen
Reply to  wightywight
12, February 2013 1:32 pm

BT is not the only retail provider of fibre broadband. ever seen, for example, the Plusnet ads on tv?

Joseph Moore
Reply to  stephen
12, February 2013 5:52 pm

Generally speaking the hardware still belongs to or is at least maintained by BT Openreach and these companies essentially act as resellers. Plusnet have actually been owned by BT since 2007. I believe the only real fibre competitor of the same national scale is Virgin, having bought up countless cable companies over the years. Some companies do maintain their own equipment in the telephone exchanges but on… Read more »

wightywight
Reply to  Joseph Moore
12, February 2013 8:28 pm

Thanks joseph…yes you are right.
Infrastructure is BT owned property. The *right* to provide over that infrastructure is *bought* by an number of willing Internet service providers.
None of this has anything to do with the roll out of Infinity by installing fibre cabling across the country (except rural areas…;0))

WW

wightywight
Reply to  stephen
12, February 2013 8:32 pm

@stephen:

The issue is not who provides the internet service but who installs and pays for the cabling….it’s as simple as that. The £3M Council investment is to provide cabling…almost certainly paid to BT who are undertaking the cabling (with subcontractors also…) for the most part.
Once laid, there will be numbers of ISP’s using the cabling infrastructure…

WW

JohnI
Reply to  wightywight
13, February 2013 4:08 pm

True. But in the case of fibre most ISPs are simply reselling BT Wholesale’s Infinity Product or BT Openreach equivalent product so, at the end of the day, there will be no service differentiation other than price and content.

JohnI
Reply to  wightywight
13, February 2013 4:14 pm

WightyWight – WightFibre’s coverage isn’t as sparse as you might thing. 100Mb to 25% of island premises and a solid 10Mb to most of the remainder. We’ll have a FULL 20Mb to the whole island by the end of 2014 – if not a lot sooner.

wightywight
Reply to  JohnI
13, February 2013 4:55 pm

@JohnI:

Thank you John. I’m pleased to hear it.
I tried you for two addresses in Ryde, both business one up towards Westridge and one towards Binstead…. both unavailable in November 2012. Offer of Wifi network…not what we want…!
Will you be covering more of the Island because BT are connecting…? Or some other reason. I don’t doubt your speeds!

WW

Colin
12, February 2013 11:49 am

Going back a few years at the dawn of the mass computer age, I remember the government ploughing millions of taxpayers money into putting BBC Acorn computers in every school so our children wouldn’t be left behind. They became outdated before the scheme was fully rolled out, and now the complaint is you can’t get the little dears off them.

Billy Builder
12, February 2013 12:19 pm

I’m in two minds as to whether or not the Council should be making this investment in superfast broadband to rural areas. On the one hand, by investing this money in providing superfast braodband, people living in these remoter areas would be able to take advantage of the benefits offered by this improved network speed. On the other hand, this becomes an extremely expensive solution on a… Read more »

Bystander
Reply to  Billy Builder
12, February 2013 1:11 pm

They move into rural communities to escape from what they see as the disadvantages of living in towns and then they expect to have the benefits of living in towns.

James Luke
12, February 2013 12:51 pm

In a recent discussion on the PFI I was told that there was a plan to lay the additional broadband infrastructure whilst the roads were being re-surfaced.

Makes sense!

Although, what doesn’t make sense is the reported cost of £150 per meter. An example of what’s to come in the PFI?

Colin
12, February 2013 12:58 pm

George Brown says “Without the council’s investment only the Island’s towns would have access to the fastest speeds and we feel that in order to grow the Island’s economy and attract inward investment, the whole Island should have access to the latest technology.” Ok, sounds fabulous. What exactly does it mean? Please give tangible examples of what inward investment is being held back. If it is advantageous… Read more »

Bystander
Reply to  Colin
12, February 2013 1:43 pm

We wouldn’t want our slow broadband speed putting off the second home owners from coming here to take advantage of the Council Tax reduction

JohnI
Reply to  Colin
13, February 2013 4:11 pm

I think the Council’s news release is a little disingenuous. It talks about ‘rural’ broadband but is actually using the central government definition of rural by which the whole island is rural. Most of this money, which will almost automatically go to BT, will be used to deliver service to places like Ventnor, Yarmouth and Freshwater – and not actually to truly rural locations. There are other,… Read more »

wightywight
Reply to  JohnI
13, February 2013 4:59 pm

@JohnI:

Yes…but not the main urban areas such as Newport, Ryde, Cowes etc., etc., which are being infrastructured by BT…as you know!
I take your point about the West Wight though….

WW

JohnI
Reply to  wightywight
13, February 2013 9:56 pm

WW: And WightFibre – who have had fibre in Newport, Cowes and parts of Ryde since 2001! BT are only just starting to cable those areas.

wightywight
12, February 2013 1:53 pm

…which Council Tax reduction is that….?

WW

Bystander
Reply to  wightywight
12, February 2013 1:56 pm

Are you still smarting because you were wrong about your future proof pie in the sky claims?

wightywight
Reply to  Bystander
12, February 2013 8:45 pm

@bystander:

You might want to re-read my post….together with the very unambiguous response to your query…….now, which Council Tax reduction are you referring to? The one that second home owners….. “can take advantage of” ?
Be interested to hear from you on this…..

WW

Bystander
Reply to  wightywight
12, February 2013 9:01 pm

Talking about ambiguity I have no idea what that comment is supposed to mean, other than you arguing the toss as usual because you always think you’re right.

wightywight
Reply to  Bystander
13, February 2013 8:04 am

@Bystander: Arguing with whom…? I’m merely laying out the underlying factors in this *broadband* scheme. Clearly something in all this has touched a nerve. So, one final time. You started this, rather aggressively if I might say, with this: “So are you claiming what is proposed to be future proof then?” To which I replied: “Nope. I’m not even claiming anything!” That is the very “unambiguous” response”… Read more »

Bystander
Reply to  wightywight
12, February 2013 10:51 pm

I can only assume you are referring to my post “We wouldn’t want our slow broadband speed putting off the second home owners from coming here to take advantage of the Council Tax reduction” Too which you responded “…which Council Tax reduction is that….?” If that is the case I was referring to the Council Tax discount which is still currently in place for second home owners,… Read more »

wightywight
Reply to  Bystander
13, February 2013 7:52 am

@bystander: Yep..that’s the one. So, since it’s now pedantics, you were referring to people who might be “coming” here in the future – as any already here wouldn’t be affected by broadband speeds one way or the other in relation to them “coming” here for their second home. They would already have made the purchase. The future therefore is 46 days…. not quite two months then…. more… Read more »

Bystander
Reply to  Bystander
13, February 2013 8:36 am

@wightywight, playingthenumbers or whoever, you appear to have nothing better to do other than scour this website searching for anything you can research the fine detail of on the internet and then challenge the poster on your ‘successes’ This is a recognised strategy of trolling and I no longer intend to feed the troll

Bystander
Reply to  wightywight
12, February 2013 2:05 pm

It isn’t April yet is it? So therefore don’t current reduction apply, and its only being changed 1 month prior to a local election

Stephen
12, February 2013 2:16 pm

Presumably when the whole telecoms infra-structure moves to fibre-optics then copper cable thefts, with their attached costs and inconveniences, should become a distant memory.

JohnI
13, February 2013 4:02 pm

Good to see so many comments on this topic. I’m an interested party here (from WightFibre) so could wax lyrical about this for pages and pages and pages….. But to be concise: the council does not need to use taxpayer money to deliver high speed broadband to the island. Already WightFibre delivers 100Mb speeds to 25% of the island, and a FULL 10Mb service to around 90%.… Read more »

wightywight
Reply to  JohnI
13, February 2013 5:07 pm

Thanks John. My very thoughts. As always, good when the people *involved* take the time and trouble to post about subjects…it’s very helpful. Tell us more, please, about how the Councils £3M (£6M with matched funding) will impact your plans? This is starting to run along the lines (though no real connection)of the PFI where an Asphalt plant exists but the Council favours another provider (they say… Read more »

JohnI
Reply to  wightywight
13, February 2013 6:05 pm

WW: the argument is fairly straightforward really. If BT are given £6M to build out their own infrastructure this takes away WightFibre’s incentive to compete. BT would be able to undercut in price – because they will have paid less to install the infrastructure. In short, a grant to BT undermines the business case for WightFibre’s continued investment. In every other area of the UK where there… Read more »

tryme
13, February 2013 7:20 pm

Wightywight, you may earlier have come up against another incarnation of someone we have been familiar with. If so, he was merely amusing himself & biding his time till he could use the same words recently levelled at him, back to someone else. You provide a lot of fantastic information, don’t stop to fruitlessly argue & get pulled down in that way! Just respond to the constructive… Read more »

wightywight
Reply to  tryme
13, February 2013 8:59 pm

@tryme:

Thanks….helpful and encouraging comments….well noted by me..!

WW

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