Islanders call for ban on hunting foxes with dogs to remain in place

Islanders are coming together to express their concern at the possibility of the 2004 Hunting Act being repealed. A Facebook Group has been set up to gather views and an online petition and poll are gaining support.

Fox Cub

A Facebook campaign group and online petition calling for the ban on fox hunting to remain in place have been gathering support over the last couple of days.

Islanders are concerned the Hunting Act, which has been in place for the last ten years and bans the hunting of foxes with dogs, could be reversed.

Cora Wade set up the online petition targeted at Isle of Wight Conservative MP, Andrew Turner, which has already attracted over 500 signatures. It reads,

As is common knowledge, Prime Minister David Cameron intends to hold a parliamentary vote on repealing the Hunting Ban (2004). He believes that people have a right to hunt.

The Island people do not want a repeal and we ask you to please represent our views in Parliament.

Online poll
As well as the petition, a poll has been set up by Sandy Clarke on iwvote.com Website.

He’s keen to find out whether Islanders are for or against the ban possibly being repealed, or even whether they’re just not bothered.

He says,

“Back in 2003, MPs voted to ban hunting with dogs. Andrew Turner, Conservative MP for the Isle of Wight voted against the all-out foxhunting ban. Most British people supported the ban on fox hunting, and even people living in rural areas share this tendency.

The new Government are planning a free vote to repeal the Hunting Act and we want to know your view as an Isle of Wight resident.”

Robby not pro
Rumours that Bestival organiser, Rob da Bank, was pro-hunting started to circulate on Facebook this morning.

OnTheWight got in touch with him to find out whether there was any truth to the rumours.

He told us,

“No, I’m definitely not pro-hunting.”

Word from the MP
OnTheWight has also asked Andrew Turner whether he plans to vote in favour of the fox hunting ban being repealed.

We’ll update here once we hear back from his office.

Links
The Petition
The Poll
The Facebook Group

Monday, 15th June, 2015 12:44pm

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Caconym
What is it about IW pressure groups that makes them think they speak for everyone who lives here. As it happens I do not wish to see the hunting ban repealed, but I imagine there are plenty of people who do. It is the same every time, “Islanders don’t want…….(a bridge, a wind farm, a whatever)”, with the pure arrogance that they speak for us all. By… Read more »
derek

STS, Wait for ‘The Krankies’ Somtimes it is just ‘One or we get The Double Act’

Cora Wade

Fair comment.

billy builder

Talking of pure arrogance, how dare Andrew Turner sign up to the Tory BrExit group. He was elected supposedly to represent the views of the whole Isle of Wight (despite only getting 26% of the electorate to vote for him). He should take a sounding from the whole island before advocating one view or another.

Oldie

It has always been common knowledge that Andrew Turner is a Eurosceptic billy builder. Just as it’s always been common knowledge that David Cameron will do everything in his power to stitch up the campaign to stay in. You didn’t vote for him anyway so why this mock outrage?

billy builder
Oldie, the point is any/all MP’s are elected by a constituency to represent the views of that constituency in Parliament. If that were not the case we would be voting for Parties rather than individuals. That being the case, Andrew Turner should represent the majority view of the Isle of Wight in any and all undertakings as our MP, to do anything else would be to betray… Read more »
Oldie

It’s the winners who make the decisions in politics billy builder, not the losers.

billy builder

Silly me, and I though that an MP represented all the electorate not just those that voted for him or her. Does that mean that 74% of the Isle of Wight electorate has no representation in parliament. That doesn’t sound right !

Oldie

You make your feelings as an individual constituent known to the appropriate authority Billy builder. They then make a decision on behalf of society. That’s how it works.

The Sciolist

Rebels – they set up facebook groups. They are hardly activists are they? It’s an empty gesture, just as repealing the ban would be. The law doesn’t work so I would leave it as it is.

Cora Wade

Really?

Whilst I wouldn’t say all members of the page are activists – there’s a fair good few of us that do a lot of work in animal welfare and, would you believe – do a lot of good too! Fancy that!

Patrick

What utterly insufferable arrogance on the part of Cora Wade deciding that she speaks for the ‘Island people’. Whatever the method used, even excluding hunting, fox control on the Island is not currently adequate. Give Ms Wade a shotgun & send her out to kill them humanely instead.

Cora Wade

OK – as said above – fair comment re: “Island people” – not my greatest usage of words. However, is this really the only comment you have regarding this debate? The petition obviously does not reflect your opinion – and I accept the wrong wording was used there.

Some grown-up debate would have been good!

p.s Please do some research on fox control.

Cora Wade

The wording you refer to has now been edited and an explanation as to why it has been edited added.

I do hope your anger at my outrageous arrogance is now allayed :)

The Sciolist

The Island does seem to have too many foxes, and badgers, something must be done to control the numbers – however cute some of them may be in pictures.

Hunting of course kills barely any foxes.

billy builder

The Island seems to have far to many Tories, perhaps we should hunt them down with dogs, rather than intelligent foxes or badgers!

Cora Wade

Based on what evidence are there too many?

ThomasC

the fact that 26% of people registered to vote on the IW crawled out and marked the paper next to A. Turnip’s name despite him being incoherent and making some fairly startlingly amateurish mistakes in his election campaign.

A cull is definitely needed of such dull creatures.

Cora Wade

Sorry – my comment was re: The Sciolist’s comment about there being too many foxes and badgers ;)

ThomasC

Given the monotony of fox photos being pumped out from the IW amateur photographer’s ranks there are too many foxes.

High speed lead injection would be far more effective in resolving this than a bunch of morons running around ruining hedgerows with dogs and horses.

billy builder

Whilst there might be noticeable numbers of foxes on the Island, what harm are they doing other than perhaps rummaging through household waste?

tiki

Perhaps the not so dull should have got off their backsides and voted.

Cicero
Foxes look cute- especially cubs- but the reality is that urban foxes are pests and rip open black sacks every week and rural foxes are predators- anybody who has had to clean up a chicken house after a fox’s bloodlust has massacred the hens will no doubt confirm. Hunting with dogs- “the unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible” or “a load of Jorrocks”- is useless as a… Read more »
Cora Wade

Urrggh.

Cicero

Presumably Cora- you have neither had to clear up after a fox nor witnessed one being ripped apart by hounds?

Cora Wade
Your presumption is wrong. It’s not pretty no – but, it was my fault, I didn’t make sure my rabbit hutch was secure!And yes, I have seen a fox ripped apart by dogs, and the sounds and sight of that will haunt me for the rest of my life. Don’t presume. None of what you have said is an argument for hunting foxes. Foxes do a lot… Read more »
Cicero
They also spread toxocara in their urine and faeces, often on the lawns where children are playing. The usual rebuttal is that “so do cats and dogs.” The big difference is that domestic pets are vaccinated against carrying the parasites. Do you intend to vaccinate or provide worming tablets for all urban and rural foxes on the Island? If so, how and who would pay for it?… Read more »
Cicero

I take back my incorrect presumption Cora but pls tell me how foxes “help preserve crops.”

Will your lobby provide the funding for making coops/enclosures safer or dustbins with lockable lids?

Cicero

… crops that are then flattened by mounted idiots in red coats chasing them?

Cicero

At one time to stop the spread of grey squirrels on the mainland, a bounty was paid on grey squirrel tails. Maybe a similar approach could be taken to control foxes.

billy builder

Or Tories

ThomasC

@billy

Well, last time I had poultry they broke into the house and killed them all. This is a scenario that’s been repeated many, many times before.

Cora Wade

This surely can’t be used as an argument to hunt foxes – or even kill them?

Why not make your coops/enclosures safer? You wouldn’t leave your laptop/phone/house door unsafe for people to steal/break into – why would you not make safe coops?

ThomasC

I detect you haven’t had to deal with keeping out foxes from chicken coops.

The book Fantastic Mr Fox? That’s under-playing how cunning they are.

billy builder
Its a difficult one, a fox is a predator, that given the opportunity will attack prey. And like a dog or cat, a fox will give chance chase and kill for fun. We could exterminate all foxes and other predatory wildlife or we could take suitable steps to deny foxes access to poultry and the like. But to hunt foxes on horseback with dogs is acting just… Read more »
Cicero

Good point BB . ” Killing for fun” is dignified as “Blood Sports”

Caconym
Very few animals are known to kill “for fun”. Cats will, certainly, “hunt” for fun, but as they are as happy to be chasing a piece of string or a laser dot as a mouse, this has more to do with the game than pleasure in killing. Apart from humans, orcas (killer whales) are one of the few species that does, actually, seem to kill for sport.… Read more »
garageelfiniow

@Cora You really have such little grasp of this situation – I have never read so much twaddle

Cora Wade

@garageelfiniow

Well, enlighten me then!

Cora Wade
@cicero I can’t reply directly to your comment. Please provide me with some data regarding the spread of toxocara due to foxes within the human population as opposed to un-medicated dogs and cats. I’ve been looking (briefly, but will look into this further) and can’t find any significant data regarding this. If you want chickens, etc – then it is YOUR responsibility to ensure they are safe… Read more »
Cicero
Do your own research Cora. Don’t get me wrong, I am as much against hunting with hounds as you as it is totally inefficient. How much of the Islands fox population was reduced as a result of hunting in the last few years. (BTW IoW Foxhounds website boasts “That there is any foxhunting at all in the Isle is due to the energy and perseverance of Mr.… Read more »
Cora Wade

oh, sorry, p.s. in answer to your “How do foxes help to preserve crops.”

Foxes predate on mice, rats, rabbits, etc. These mammals are responsible for much crop loss. It has been documented that foxes save British crop farmers £7 million a year.

Cicero

Where is it documented? My experience on the mainland was that that the local hunt trampled our crops and left gates open for cattle to roam.

Cicero
… other than in the pro-hunting website Hounds Off that states “Myth: Foxes cost farmers money Fact: Foxes are farmers’ friends. By feeding on rabbits, the staple diet of rural foxes, they save British crop farmers around £7 million every year. In its lifetime, one fox is worth up to £900 in extra revenue to farmers.” Surprisingly this pro-hunting website also points out “Killing foxes does not… Read more »
Cora Wade

@cicero – I’m going to stop this now – you gave me an argument and you couldn’t back it up. I’m not here to play games – I’m here to fight my corner.

Cicero

I did back it up with info Cora not anthropomorphic emotion. The sad thing is that we are agreeing- bit for different reasons. :-((

Cora Wade

A short google search will give you examples of the savings to British Crop farmers.

So, there’s even more need to stop hunts using crop land and costing farmers money then?

Cora Wade
No – there is no proof that numbers diminish! Life span of a fox in the wild is up to 18 months – there’s a pretty quick turnover. Cub numbers remain quite static. Numbers aren’t rising and haven’t risen. To kill a fox in one territory, doesn’t remove that fox from the area – another will move in almost immediately. That is the nature of them. I… Read more »
Cicero

As I said Cora, we are agreeing. The law stopped me shooting the pink-coated, red-faced wannabe squirearchy that trampled out crops in pursuit of a single fox. They did far more damage.

These are the idiots who trapped foxes and reared cubs to later release them to give their hounds a bit of practice.

marcelle
If you take the whole argument about keeping fox numbers down out of it( if that was the real case there are human ways) and that holier than thou argument about people from the country have a different way of life rah rah rah snobby attitude, I grew up in the country in a farming community with a farming family , I rode horse and all that… Read more »
kevin1746
Sorry…who says fox numbers are increasing…no national statistic shows that ..the population (and its a guess) stays pretty steady for years. What has happened is the growth in the number that now chose to hunt in our back gardens and live under our sheds…and no stupid hunt is ever going to effect those numbers. Every single pro hunt argument is fatally flawed…the predicted collapse of the countryside… Read more »
Vix Lowthion
Clearly I support the work on the island of residents democratically joining together to ensure that the Hunting Ban is retained. The establishment of this group is not the solution – it is the beginning of an organised campaign and a place for like minded people to gather in opposition to the clear opinions of our newly elected MP. Thank you for setting it up. I am… Read more »
Caconym

It may well be the case. The pro-hunting lobby are pretty vocal and I wouldn’t be surprised if they are lobbying the MP for all they are worth.

Perhaps you may like to indulge yourself with a FOI request to find out the true figures?

tiki

Foxes are vermin. END OFF. Ask any farmer.

Vix Lowthion

That’s doesn’t mean the only option to deal with them is through hunting on horseback, with fine clothes and with hounds. There are plenty of more humane ways.

foxy loxy

If Foxes are vermin, why were they brought to the Island in the 18th century? Before then this island was fox free!

Cicero

… so they could be hunted by the squirearchy.

adieiow1
I’m shocked and disappointed at peoples arguments for supporting fox hunting. who says we have too many foxes and that they need controlling? I live in the countryside and hardly ever see any foxes. there are more foxes in our towns and suburbs, foxes have already been pushed out of the country. I’m very surprised that more people do not realise that its nothing to do with… Read more »
garageelfiniow

You hardly ses any foxes primarily because of the success on the Island of the people involving in controlling them – the other reason is that you are not around whn they are and they also tend to have the upper hand on most human beings.

Cora Wade

Oh dear – it really does get worse!

Still waiting for a good reason as to why foxes should be hunted to exhaustion, and then torn apart by dogs, ‘controlled’ by men and women, on horseback.

Also waiting for the proof that we’re overpopulated by foxes in the first place.

Also waiting for concise information regarding why there should be a cull of foxes.

garageelfiniow

I dont think we need a cull at all

What is required is the continuation of the controls already in place so that overpopulation does not occur.

The reasons and the proof for this are all out in the public domain – surely your ignorance of the facts does not extend that far ???

Cora Wade

See, I hear this a lot – but none of you actually put your argument forward to make a balanced debate.

Interesting that.

Cicero
re fox population. Vixens reach maturity at 9-10 months and can give birth to cubs (3-5 usually) at 12 months. Life of a fox can be up to 5 years. Do the sums. re vermin- the OED defines “vermin” as “Wild animals which are believed to be harmful to crops, farm animals, or game, or which carry disease.” However, local authorities charged with controlling vermin in their… Read more »
Cicero

OOps! paragraphs got out of sequence. The one starting Natural England should be the penultimate one.

adieiow1

Vix’s for some reason it wont let me like on your comment? strange that……

Stewart Blackmore
The fact is that if David Cameron is foolish enough to press for a vote to overturn the fox hunting ban he will almost certainly lose it; his numbers simply do not stack up. His slim majority of 12 will evaporate with the combined forces of Labour, SNP and enough of his own back benchers, who are too civilized to allow this barbaric practise to return. It… Read more »
The Sciolist
Judging by the up and down arrows, this must rank as one of the most pointless debates ever seen here? No minds have been changed, each side is well dug in (excuse the pun) but the anti’s hatred for anyone wanting to even vaguely support the control of these filthy pests is disturbing. The jokes (hopefully) about killing Tories are puerile. On the Island a majority of… Read more »
Mark Francis

Who are these people that hunt? Isn’t it meant to be illegal?

Mike Vallender
This appears to be a totally silly way of trying to have conversation among the group but the whole point of any discussion regarding foxes / badger etc surely has to be about natural balances and trying to ensure stability of this rather than having to put unnecessary controls into place. Are foxes vermin? No they are not, they are part of the natural balance of countryside… Read more »
BRIAN
Quite a heated debate on this issue. I don’t like to see cruelty to animals in any form,particularly for pleasure whether it be fox hunting, grouse shoots and even fishing. I fished as a lad but stopped when I accidentally killed a fish. Gave away the rods and never fished again. Advantages of having foxes: They keep down the population of rats, mice and rabbits Disadvantages: Kill… Read more »
Mark Francis
That human beings occasionally have to share space with wild animals is no big deal. A couple of years ago a couple in Hackney had their children attacked by a fox having left a patio door wide open. Its not foxes you want to worry about leaving your doors open in Hackney! & having bin bags ripped open is really no big deal. Its more a problem… Read more »
barbararula

I have signed a petition to continue with the ban on all hunting, with a letter that was forwarded to our local MP. I received a reply quite quickly and it was not the response that I was expecting, it seems he wants the ban NOT to continue and feels that the ban has not worked and that in fact it has had quite the reverse.

Mark Francis

It what sense does the ban not work?

barbararula

That is what I would like to know Mark Francis, did not go further with his comments.

Mark Francis

Thank you for appreciation. What else did you want me to say?
Toxicara – if children eat animal faeces or rub it their eyes they will get diseases.

Yeah? No s***, Sherlock?
Yer doan say? (sorry I’m reading a James Ellroy novel at present.)

davimel

Surely in the 21st century we can control vermin in a civilised manner, without the ridiculous input from the ‘rip them to pieces’ brigade! IF they need control, then control them… nothing else is relevant really, and YES Foxes are Vermin no matter how cute they look, so just get on with what’s needed and let the debate rest.

barbararula

Sorry to say we are the vermin, just look around, overcrowding, rubbish and pollution.

Minnieb

It can never be acceptable to gain pleasure from killing or maiming another living creature

milly
Fox hunting has never been about cute little animals with bushy tails. It is about the arrogant rights of Toffs who want to laud over the plebs. The act was a symbolic one that tried to say that class struggle was over.Yet the moribund bourgeoisie are the ones that keep it going. The aristocracy dreamed of their lost place in the sun with all their blue blooded… Read more »
Mark Francis

Now you’re talking my language, Milly.

Fox hunting was introduced to the Island after all the deer wee hunted to extinction. Important for the toffs to train as cavalry & give the workers a right duffing up at the Peterloo Massacre!
In the Civil War the royalist campaign was hampered by Charles
& Prince Rupert going off stag hunting at pivotal moments.