Isle of Wight Councillor convicted on drink driving offence

Cllr Phil Jordan, who resigned as an Executive Member at Isle of Wight council after being caught drink driving, was today found guilty and sentenced to a ban.

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Cllr Phil Jordan, who was charged on 28th November 2016 for driving whilst exceeding the legal alcohol limit, appeared in court this morning (Tuesday).

The court heard that Cllr Jordan had been stopped by police at 11.45pm on 11th October on Whippingham Road. They had observed him ‘almost swerving into hedges’ before over correcting.

Over twice the legal limit
Cllr Jordan failed to give a roadside breath-test on three occasions, stating he was short of breath. Two further attempts at the police station also failed, so a blood test was taken.

The court heard this morning that he had 168 milligrammes of alcohol in 100 microgrammes of blood, 80 being the legal limit.

Error of judgment would “forever blacken his name”
His lawyer, Lee Peckham, told the court the Cllr Jordan had been in genuine difficulty and was not deliberately attempting to avoid providing breath specimens. He had pleaded guilty and apologised for “the mistake, a miscalculation and an error of judgement”.

It was heard that Cllr Jordan had a clean licence and no previous offences, cautions or warnings. He was ordered to pay £370 in fine, surcharge and costs and banned from driving for 20 months.

Considering his position
Following the case, Cllr Jordan said he was considering whether or not to stand down as a councillor. He represents Ryde North West.

Last week, in advance of the court case, Cllr Jordan stepped down as Executive member for PFI and Public Protection.

Source: IWCP

Tuesday, 13th December, 2016 12:16pm

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Island Monkey
Let me be the first to say he seems to have got off lightly, putting aside the fact he didn’t kill anyone. Shocking, to refuse is far worse than being over, and he knew he was over, in fact more than twice the limit. Did he think the law didn’t apply to him? £1,100 a month income. That can’t be right can it? He has councillor and… Read more »
inaccurate
He didnt refuse. He made a mistake. He is now facing the consequences. He provided a blood sample at the police station. He did not refuse the breathalyser, he tried to blow into it, both at the roadside and at the police station, then took the option available to anyone to take a blood test. I’m not sure where you get the figure of £1,100 a month,… Read more »
Island Monkey
He was arrested for failing to provide. The police felt he didn’t try hard enough at the roadside. He also failed to provide at the police station, so they took blood. I have heard it said that some drivers, believing they are well over the limit – do this as a delaying tactic. The longer you put off providing a specimen, the lower your reading, this is… Read more »
tyke

Island Monkey is a dreadful Tory apologist and unfailingly pompous in his delivery (sorry IM) but he is absolutely right in all he says here.
If people look through their allegiances and prejudices this is a pretty tawdry business all round. Resignations will, I am sure, follow – as well they might.

Johnboy

Is this island on a very different Lunar calendar? When is 20 months more than 2 years?

Robert Jones
Plainly, I’m not going to defend him: I might have been on the same stretch of road at the time. I will however say that he’s not the only IW councillor to have been guilty of this offence over the years. Obviously he couldn’t have continued to serve on the executive, at least in the role he had. But resigning as a councillor, when there aren’t that… Read more »
wightlad

Breathless in Whippingham….

Nitonia
Cllr Jordan has worked hard as a councillor and tried to make the Island a better place and should be congratulated for that. However this offence is absolutely awful and the sentence given is a complete joke. Did he think by refusing to provide a sample he would get away with it? If he really was breathless then he should have entered medical evidence to the court… Read more »
East Cowes

Wow, 11 October and twice the legal limit. :-/ Why did this just come to light in December…?

Robert Jones

Probably wouldn’t have come to public attention before it came to court, in the normal run of these things; and that can take a while. I presume he resigned from the Exec when he learned he would definitely be charged, ie when the summons arrived. Though it can never have been in doubt.

Caconym

The interesting thing is the delay between being arrested and being charged. You are normally formally charged on the day of arrest on the result of the evidential breath test at the station.

The delay is due to him having a blood test instead. Results take 4 to 6 weeks.

East Cowes
Robert Jones, yes, I understood the technicality. My implied point was that it was a given that it would become official, so it usually is better to come clean straight away with the public when you are pulled over with twice the legal limit. Waiting for two months and pretending that everything is fine looks like you are hiding something in retrospect. It’s the upstanding thing to… Read more »
Caconym

Don’t forget, he refused both the roadside and evidential breath tests.

There was no evidence that he was over the limit until the blood test results were returned on or around the 28th November.

Steve Goodman

I do mind Phil’s drink/driving, but I don’t mind that he continued working for us for a while after the incident, because he’s been one of our best councillors, and I hope that he continues to be.

I do also mind that we are still lumbered with other councillors who don’t make much of an effort and/or prefer to hinder rather than help us in these troubled times.

wightlad
Do you not have a problem that he was giving Executive Member reports to Full Council in October and November which provided updates on road safety initiatives, alcohol related crime and reports on Road Traffic Accidents – including one with a drunk driver? How could he have credibly given such reports (and have received an allowance for doing so) when his own behaviour ran directly contrary to… Read more »
Black Dog

What an odd set of comments to make. Perhaps you would like to visit victims of drink driving before you go any further. Remember the ban imposed only lasts for the prescribed time. I dont need to remind you that for some victims of drink driving get a life sentence

Steve Goodman
? For BD: not odd – informed; my experience, and recollection, of dealing with drink/drivers and their carnage is well above average, so I don’t need reminding of anything about that, and that’s why I do mind drink/driving, as I wrote above. I’ve also seen and heard quite a lot about what local and national politicians do, which is why I also wrote that I didn’t mind… Read more »
Black Dog

SG – That is your opinion my is at complete odds to yours because of my experiences.

No excuses for Drink Driving – Period.

Steve Goodman

?

(For BD again – ‘No excuses for not noticing that nobody is excusing Drink Driving – Period’)

wightlad

What isn’t clear is whether Cllr Jordan was on any council business at the time. Was he, for instance, returning home after a late night visit to one of his council colleagues in East Cowes / Whippingham?

Not that this is in any way a mitigating circumstance, but I wonder whether any council business was conducted that evening.

East Cowes
CP article says travelling toward East Cowes with a passenger, but one could be dropping someone home, etc. Unfortunately, this is a must-resign situation. Twice over the legal limit isn’t a miscalculation (and one could argue easily that driving means having no alcohol whatsoever, as you are not only endangering your own life, but that of your passenger and other drivers, pedestrians, animals, property such as parked… Read more »
Island Monkey

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wightlad
It is a matter of public interest whether another IW Councillor was in the car when Phil Jordan was drink-driving. If it was an IW Council member, he / she effectively aided and abetted Jordan’s drink-driving by choosing to get in the car with him, and in doing so created a further distraction which heightened the risk to the public. Any decent person would have refused to… Read more »
East Cowes

It shouldn’t really matter who the passenger was, as it could be anyone – but whoever it was, that was incredibly bad personal and civic safety judgement…

Caconym
“miscalculation and an error of judgement” Over what, exactly? A miscalculation over whether he’d drunk too much to drive, or whether he thought he’d get away with it? At 2x the legal limit and “almost swerving into hedges”, I know which my money would be on. An as for failing to give a sample of breath? Those machines are really not that hard to blow into. If… Read more »
Rod Manley

Goldurnit!

Well we tried, I suppose, to defend the indefensible, admitted, but these Tories have the bit between their teeth,they have tasted blood and like mad dogs won’t let go.

After all is said and done, they have little else to go on.I maintain that they will you everything in the establishment including dirty tricks.

With the election coming it is going to get real nasty.

Back off why don’t you?

Rod Manley

“Will do anything”

okayanyway
Are you saying I’m a tory? and you think the only reason I am disgusted with this mans behaviour is because I’m a tory supporter?? well for your information I am not a tory supporter. However I am no longer and ‘indie’ supporter. If you think for one minute that this person should be spared the public outcry then you are very wrong. Why would you be… Read more »
tiki

Do the right thing and RESIGN.

Rod Manley

Down boy, down!

Island Monkey
Where are the other indie councillors, who usually haunt these boards? Do you think local journos are not going to ask some awkward questions? I think the Council leader needs to make an urgent statement, as does the other councillor who was traveling in the car. Had the council been conducting business until (almost) the early hours? I am also convinced that the reported income of £1,100… Read more »
Albert Street

Some interesting questions raised here. It would be nice to get straight answers from Mr Bacon

I will wait for a response, after all he has had since the 11th October until now to prepare something.

Mr Jordan’s position as a councillor is untenable.

Remember “What goes around comes around”

tyke
The facts of this case speak for themselves. Suffice it to say that these facts paint a picture far more serious than a mere ‘miscalculation’ as claimed, evidently rather ridiculously, by Cllr Jordan. My issue has always been why the IW Council sought to gloss over this incident in an official communication claiming that the reshuffle was for reasons that were at best, half-truthful. That is misuse… Read more »
wightlad

Particularly if was an executive member who ironically benefited from a promotion in the resulting reshuffle!

DaveIOW
Having resisted the urge to comment on this specific case prior to the judgement, I can now vent my spleen! As Tom Peters famously said, “There is no such thing as a minor lapse of integrity”. Despite the many glowing reports about Phil and my own previous positive opinion of him and his work, his reputation now rightly lies in tatters. In one evening of folly, he… Read more »
Johnboy

Do you honestly think this was the first time this gentleman had chosen to drive after a drink or two? If you get away with it once the habit forms.

DaveIOW

Why would I speculate about what Phil might’ve done?

Isn’t the reality of the facts we have damning enough?

Johnboy

No one has asked you to speculate, all I will say there does appear to be a lack of respect for the drink drive laws on the island. This may come from lack of policing or island mentality. I live on the Island and commute daily to the mainland so my license in my livelihood so maybe I have a different outlook

DaveIOW

“No one has asked you to speculate…”

You asked me a question (do you honestly think this was the first time this gentleman had chosen to drive after a drink or two?) the answer to which I couldn’t possibly know.

That’s pretty much the definition of “speculate”!

“form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence”

No 7

If councilor Jordon was to RESIGN the ward would be unrepresented until next May as the 6 month rule apply s so its better if he stays and let his ward decide next May and no doubt he will be returned as a councilor next may .

Island Monkey

The County Press facebook page has some interesting comments. They include;

Evey Staley’s Gran calling for his resignation as a councillor.

Others claiming he is a Company Secretary for a care home business, several incredulous comments regarding his stated income of just £1,100. I suspect this will not end quickly in the way some people hope. Too many unanswered questions.

yjc

ISLE SAFE
REMEMBER EVEY

I have nothing against Mr Jordan personally but the sentence was too lenient and makes a mockery of Isle Safe and Remember Evey.

mark francis
If Phil Jordan is agood councillor that is all that matters. Councillors continually stand for election & people can take these factors into account. William Pitt fought Napoleon when he was too drunk to stand up on the front bench. Thank goodness I have never made any mistakes in my life & feel able to condemn other people for theirs. (NOT!) Maybe other commentators are in this… Read more »
Black Dog

There are a disturbing number of people on here who appear to be trivialising the crime of drink driving. The facts in this incident are clear and it is irrelevant whether the councillor is allegedly good at his job or not.

Remember drink driving is a life sentence for some victims and their families

Time for him to resign followed by other notable figures within the administration

Steve Goodman
There may be disturbed people here who think wrongly that drink driving is being trivialised. It is not; nor is it of much relevance to whether the councillor is good at his job, especially as today’s political environment it’s now normal for the lazy, the incompetent, the dishonest, the corrupt, and the convicted to continue to be involved, even if they aren’t as good as Phil has… Read more »
Black Dog
SG Clearly you have an axe to grind so the name calling has started. Just because I disagree with your comments and the alleged skills of the individual involved does not give you the right to suggest I am disturbed in anyway. Clearly it is you are the one with a problem. Any attempt to dilute the situation is farcical and dare I say – Childish The… Read more »
Steve Goodman
I’m clearly only responding to those obviously so unsettled by events that they will not stop grinding. Clearly they have a problem. I’m reminded that one such (disturbed/ farcical/ childish?) attempt to aggravate the situation is now paramount: unchristian confused comedy Conservative councillor Chris Whitehouse chose to comment here (unjustifiably describing one of our better councillors as somebody much more like himself), using not his own name,… Read more »
Black Dog

Oh dear!

Steve Goodman

Apology accepted!

Black Dok

Non offered

Steve Goodman

That’s ok Dok; no harm in politely thanking you in advance.

No 7
Steve Goodman i guess you dont like the torys after all you got ejected and told to shut up A member of the public was thrown out of a council meeting last night (Wednesday). “Steve Goodman from Newport was told to “go away” by the council’s chairman Cllr David Williams. Mr Williams then threatened to phone the police if Mr Goodman didn’t leave. Mr Goodman spoke to… Read more »
No 7

infarct the police were called

Steve Goodman
? Firstly, if ‘infarct’ they pleaded for plod, (s)he didn’t attend, and if they had attended they too would know that embarrassed (Con.) councillors refusing to do what they promised led to the protest, which later led to useful changes in the way our council deals with the public it serves (as reported OTW back in March 2012). They would also know that I agreed to leave… Read more »
sam salt

Thanks for the laugh No.7.

You quote “Mr Williams apologised to members if they felt he was over the top but he added he doesn’t tolerate their meetings being disrupted.”

Fast forward 3 or 4 years and it appears from what we read that it is Conservative Councillor/s disrupting Council meetings. Off topic I know but I found it amusing.

eddo

let he who is without sin cast the first stone

tr

In this case I am absolutely without sin Eddo.

I have never picked up a glass of anything alcoholic and put it to my lips if I intend to drive.

Simple!!!!

please pass the stones….

No 7

stones passedc

tyke

Stevie G – in what way are comments on Whitehouse and Whittle ‘on topic’ in a thread about the member responsible for road safety and substance misuse being caught drink-driving.
You clearly are a fan of Cllr Jordan but banging on about Whitehouse and Whittle is not going to excuse his despicable actions.

Steve Goodman
tykie (another possible confused Chris Whitehouse alias?), I’ll try to help you to understand ‘on topic’ legitimate response a little better. Not very long ago (yesterday afternoon), you commented above just after Albert (yet another possible confused Chris Whitehouse alias?) said that “Mr Jordan’s position as a councillor is untenable” because of his drink-driving episode, and that readers should “Remember “What goes around comes around”. (I did,… Read more »
Steve Goodman

ps

If you are still curious about staying on topic, that frequent poster Mankey (a mate/alias of yours, or of identity-confused Chris perhaps?) is still ‘banging on about’ Phil in the wrong place.

Sally Perry
14.Dec.2016 5:15pm

Way off topic (again!) Island Monkey

tyke

Sorry Steve G, I never even made the comment you wrongly attribute to me at the start of your post. And I lost interest after that, if I’m honest.
You really do need to learn how to be accurate. And concise…

Steve Goodman

Could confused Chris W. or somebody else, posting as tyke on 13.Dec.2016 at 3:57pm, owe us another apology?

You really need to learn how to be accurate; the devil is in the detail (and possibly possessing the posting papal nit?).

Concise enough?

No 7

tyke
13.Dec.2016 3:57pm
so was this post not by tyke then ??? is there any evidence to say it was whitehouse ???

wightlad
Steve G makes some good points (I think) about other errant councillors, but surely Jordan is the only one of those named in this thread who has actually been convicted for a criminal offence, and particularly one which runs directly contrary to his executive member brief? It is notable that alcohol has been involved in relation to a number of these incidents – albeit that Jordan is… Read more »
Steve Goodman
Thank you (I think); another good point or two now? 1. Experience and the stats. on endangering life by driving under the influence of drink or drugs, or too fast, or otherwise recklessly or carelessly, means that Mr. Jordan is definitely not the only person (councillor or otherwise) to do so, and that he’s just one of the small percentage of those who get caught before something… Read more »
No 7

a cowes tory councilor ??

Steve Goodman

Could be, unless there’s some malice behind what we may both have heard, and somebody settles this before it gets out of hand.

No 7

May be a question for full council ???
I have no reason to think its not true but i cant find any information about him .

retired hack

Wightlad’s the person to get an answer to that for us. He’s very good at calling people out – doing it on here only the other day.

Steve Goodman

As there’s been no rush to rebut, it seems that there may be some truth to the allegation after all.

And as Cllr. Seely looked in about an hour ago, I’ve asked him if he can help to settle the matter.

Goodnight.

Steve Goodman

I see that Mr. Seely just wrote to us again about another issue, so ‘I am looking forward to hearing’ what Bob can help us with here.

tyke

Stevie – you think I’m Chris Whitehouse, is that it?
In truth I’ve been called some things in my time but that’s a new low…
You were indeed concise that time but, alas, no more insightful. Thanks for trying though.

Steve Goodman
tykie – (take 2; the first being possibly too concise to be acceptable to some sensitive souls?) Thanks again for trying to interpret my words, but, alas, I have to help again. I don’t think that you are cowardly unchristian confused comedy councillor Chris Whitehouse the hypocritical papal nit, but because we now know that he posts unjustifiably against others using a name other than his own,… Read more »
tyke

No 7.
Yes that was my post. I was pointing out to Stevie G that comments he attributed to me (“Mr Jordan’s position as a councillor is untenable” because of his drink-driving episode, and that readers should “Remember “What goes around comes around”) were not made by myself.
He has got himself in a muddle, I’m afraid. Please don’t go the same way.

Steve Goodman
? Rightly afraid, as the mental muddle is yours? “Not very long ago (yesterday afternoon), you commented above just after Albert (yet another possible confused Chris Whitehouse alias?) said that “Mr Jordan’s position as a councillor is untenable” because of his drink-driving episode, and that readers should “Remember “What goes around comes around”. (I did, and it is.)” I wrote correctly that you commented after “Albert…said…”. Please… Read more »
Albert Street

Mr Goodman, Albert Street is not yet another alias. I am a disappointed former Independent supporter who believes in Bell Principles which appear to have abandoned by some within the group.

Steve Goodman
Mr Street, because of all the recent ‘anti-Indy hate mail’ here, we know that you may or may not be truthful about how you describe yourself, but thank you for sharing, as some say. As we also both appear to be slow to sleep tonight, I shall join you by declaring that I am a disappointed citizen who welcomes and supports any politician who is an improvement… Read more »
Albert Street
We have very different opinions of Mr Jordan and his abilities. Let us just leave it there. I have no reason to lie about my political bias. The independents at the very begining offered a tangible alternative. All of that fell apart almost from day one when (my opinion) egos took over. This article is about a councillor convicted of a driving offence, which is inexcusable. There… Read more »
Steve Goodman

On the subject of councillors convicted of inexcusable drink driving offences, have you noticed that nobody has disputed the alleged excusing of a current Conservative councillor’s ban since that possible truth was mentioned here yesterday?

Albert Street

Personally do not care who the councillor is or what party s/he if from. Drink Driving is a crime and anyone convicted of this crime who holds public office must resign (not just from the executive)

There are too many examples of victims out there as a direct result of a wholly avoidable crime. Absolutely no excuses

wightlad
Steve, you have referred to a current Conservative councillor’s driving ban on the basis of drink driving. Unless you are able to name the councillor and substantiate this, there seems little point in anyone commenting on it. It would be the same as me alleging that there is a Labour MP who robs banks but then failing to provide detail of who it is. It is meaningless.… Read more »
Steve Goodman
If, as Albert says, public office holders with drink-driving or other convictions should resign, we would lose a lot of otherwise useful, as well as useless, post holders locally, nationally, and internationally. On the Island, that would start with two or three county councillors. To help wightlad, I know as much about the relevant allegation as everybody else who has read the relevant comments here from me… Read more »
tyke

Sorry Steve, are those words meant to be in that order?
On second thoughts, please don’t bother to respond.

Steve Goodman

Thanks for the apology tyke, and for saying please, but to answer your question: yes.

If there’s anything else I can clarify for you, please let me know.

Bob Seely
Hi, Dear Mr Goodman, please note the following. 1. I know of no other Cllrs, on any side, convicted of drink driving, or who have any cases pending. 2. I have a clean, full licence with no points on it. Would you like me to confirm that I am also not a war criminal, pick-pocket, armed robber, KGB assassin, or have any court dates due for any… Read more »
retired hack

Let down by the penultimate sentence. Your chum CW is fond enough of dishing it out.

Steve Stubbings

…And occasionally under somebody else’s name.

Steve Goodman
Hi, Dear Mr Seely, please note the following. 1. Thank you; noted, as is the absence of the actual reassuring confirmation sought. 2. Thank you; noted, as is the unnecessary addition to the information sought. If we keep calm and carry on we could get somewhere (which also prompts me to add my welcome to our wonderful world of sensible cycling for people and planet; I look… Read more »
Island Monkey

Like Bob, I just wish that the indie left wing councillors had something substantive to say here. What they usually write tends to be personal attacks, rubbishing other councillors or blaming the years past Tory council, or government. I wonder if any of them ever stop to consider how the average islander perceives them, or the rudderless administration they have run these past years?

Steve Goodman
Like many, I just wish that the rabid right wing councillors and their supporters had something more useful to say here. What they write too often tends to be personal attacks, rubbishing other councillors, failing to acknowledge the failings of the past Tory council and government, and blaming the past Labour government. I wonder if any of them ever stop to consider how the average islander perceives… Read more »
Right winger but not rabid or a councillor

Pot kettle

adrian whittaker

It is fair to say that C.W has had a formal complaint made against hi a 5.10 this evening

Steve Goodman

Thank you Adrian; you are not alone.

Neil Hanson

Interesting how this article makes no mention of the female passenger (as mentioned in other media sources), presumably from East Cowes (as this was the direction of travel), any update on her identity?

I do find it highly alarming that this Cllr was in charge of Road Safety during this time…