Steve Sheridan

Letter: I think our voters are smarter than the Our Ryde candidate believes

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This from Conservative candidate, Steve Sheridan, Ed


I have just read Phil Jordan’s letter dated 12 April alleging ’sham and deception’ and would like the opportunity to respond to what I believe are the many misleading points he makes.

Mr Jordan seems to believe that voters are so dumb that they won’t realise that the person appearing on their voting slip for parish or town council without a party name is the same person whose name appears on the County Council voting slip which they will be handed at the same time. I think our voters are smarter than this and that nobody is having the wool pulled over their eyes.

Politics in town and parish councils
He then goes on to state that it has been standard practice for years for parish council candidates not to declare party allegiance. He goes on however to draw the entirely false and fanciful conclusion that parish council candidate should be ’non political’.

Since the very definition of politics is about making decisions in groups, I fail to see how any person standing for election to a group decision-making body whether it be a town or parish council could be non-political unless they plan not to attend any of the group decision-making meetings.

Nomination papers
It is a trifle misleading to then say, as Mr Jordan does, that parish and town council nomination papers “allow for political party entry”.

In fact, nomination papers have a box marked ‘Description’ and the Electoral Commission has this to say about that box: 

“At parish and community council elections party and independent candidates can, at the discretion of the Returning Officer, use a description not registered with us. As long as the description does not exceed six words in length and cannot be confused with a registered political party.”

It is simply not the case, as Mr Jordan tries to imply, that candidates are asked whether they belong to a political party and that many people aren’t answering that question.

Town and parish councils run by political parties?
He also suggests that town and parish councils are actually run by political parties.

Meetings I have observed have always adopted the democratic system of voting by individual members and, when observing such meetings, I have often seen councillors from the same party vote differently which I don’t think would be the case if Mr Jordan’s claimed ‘whipped’ system actually existed in reality.

Write to Electoral Commission
To suggest that it is a distortion of democracy for ‘politics to take over town and parish councils’ is a very peculiar allegation given the definition I mentioned earlier.

Mr Jordan may not like the fact that the rules governing elections to parish councils are different to those which apply to other levels of local government, but that is a fact and he should direct his correspondence towards the Electoral Commission if he wishes this to change.

Place of residence
I note that Mr Jordan is standing for three positions in the forthcoming elections:

  1. As a County Councillor for Ryde North West (no address given, no description given);
  2. As a town Councillor for Ryde North West (no address given, Our Ryde, Our Town) and:
  3. As a parish Councillor for St Helens (no address, no description)

I don’t know where Mr Jordan lives or is registered to vote but he does seem to be hedging his bets a bit here and the slogan ‘Our Ryde, Our Town’ would ring a bit hollow if he actually lived somewhere else (such as where he was standing to be a parish councillor), wouldn’t it?

Important to be accurate with the truth
Sorry to pick you up on so many points Mr Jordan, but in politics I believe it is important to be accurate with the truth.

I also believe that most electors will select their preferred candidate by reading their literature and listening to what they say rather than just seeing which party they may belong to.

Labour candidate
As an aside, I note that the Labour candidate in Ryde North West – Phil Truckel – is taking the same approach as me: party affiliation at county level, but no description at town level. However, he seems to be missing from Mr Jordan’s list of “undeclared party candidates”.

Anyone would think that Mr Jordan didn’t want to highlight another contender for the seat he is hoping to win.

I, on the other hand, am happy to highlight Mr Truckel’s candidature. I fully expect Ryde North West to be a Conservative vs Labour battleground.

[Promoted by David Pugh, on behalf of Steve Sheridan, of 30 Buckland Gardens, Ryde, PO33 3AG]

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I do not believe it
5, October 2015 6:53 pm

Some things in life are entirely predictable. One of those highly predictable things is the undeniable fact that, if there is even the remotest chance of someone grabbing the wrong end of a stick and spouting malinformation, that person will undoubtably be wearing the East Cowes Mayoral Chain around her neck.

davee
5, October 2015 7:44 pm

No one seems to mention the waste water treatment plant,(if that’s what it is) nicely hidden south of the trees at Castle Point. I notice that the sign on the entrance gate has been removed. On admiralty chart,s the N end of the outfall pipe used to be marked as an “Obstruction”, it is now marked as a “Diffuser”. I wonder what comes out of the outfall… Read more »

Tosh
5, October 2015 7:53 pm

thanks to Cllr Hillard for bringing this to our attention . I have lived in East Cowes for the past 30 years and the EC smell has been here for as long as I can remember most off the smell comes from rooting seaweed from may to September when the seaweed dies back .As for our local council doing anything for the town please don’t hold your… Read more »

Tosh
5, October 2015 7:57 pm

sorry after land slip it should read have they just stood back

timexnewport
5, October 2015 9:12 pm

Having been badly stunk off East Cowes a couple of times and then done some research, my observation is that it might be worth exploring a proper bit of research into the bacteria of the East Cowes beaches. But to save money get all of the potato+ rocks off the area and simply chain harrow the beach for many low tides, especially at low tides when sunshine… Read more »

Michael Douse
6, October 2015 9:31 am

We have arranged another Community Beach Clean at the East Cowes Esplanade under the auspices of Surfers Against Sewage and CPRE

Please love your beach, come along and join in.

Meet at the Esplanade car park at 1.30pm on Saturday 24 October 2015.

Bring work gloves and wellies if you can.

Supervised dogs and children very welcome!

Sally Perry
Admin
Reply to  Michael Douse
6, October 2015 6:06 pm

I have added to our event listings for you Michael.

sandancer
6, October 2015 4:17 pm

I am part of a group of volunteers called FAECES (not a very nice name, but effective). We noticed about 18 months ago what we took to be raw sewerage coming out of the CSO (Combined Sewage Outfall) off Albany Green. This was happening several times a day and we started photographing it, and then reporting it to the Environment Agency on 0800 80 70 60. This… Read more »

sandancer
6, October 2015 4:18 pm

It has just been brought to my attention that the Town Clerk, Tina Bailey, has just published the October Agenda for the East Cowes Town Council Meeting before a Rescission Notice could be submitted. Bathing water will therefore not be on the agenda (and we will miss the deadline). We need everyone who is vaguely interested to push for an extraordinary meeting specifically for this item. The… Read more »

retired Hack
Reply to  sandancer
6, October 2015 6:29 pm

Lin, you need to consult the ECTC’s standing orders (which should be on the website but don’t appear to be – they must certainly be available from the clerk on request), and ascertain the procedure for getting an extraordinary meeting. I think you’ll find it requires a stated number of councillors to requisition one; and if that is done, with the subject matter stipulated, then neither the… Read more »

Michael Douse
6, October 2015 5:37 pm

On what basis has the East Cowes Town Clerk been able to publish the Agenda for this month’s Full Town Council Meeting more than 24hours before the deadline for submission of items?

Has the Agenda actually been “published”?
It is not on the ECTC website nor is it on the ECTC notice board.

sandancer
7, October 2015 8:09 am

The agenda is now on the ECTC website and Notice Board. It is dated 6th October for a meeting advertised for the 15th October. This means that the time for agenda items to be included was closed one day early. We therefore request that the agenda is reopened to accept a Rescission Notice for discussion and the DEFRA Water Quality Designation bid item is included.

Steve Goodman
7, October 2015 9:34 am

There seems to be more than one stink in E.Cowes. Residents, businesses, and authorities start working to do something to improve things for everybody, and make good progress: sudden u-turn and withdrawal of support from the council: mayor makes false claims: council refuses to deal with the matter: the threat of a missed deadline wasting all the time, effort, and money put in by those trying to… Read more »

sandancer
7, October 2015 10:01 am

The majority of East Cowes Town Councillors want this to Rescission Notice to be included on the Agenda. We attended a recent Town Council meeting where the Mayor was absent. The meeting was quorate but the Town Clerk, Tina Bailey refused to have a discussion about the DEFRA bid without the presence of the Mayor, Margaret Webster. Also absent at that meeting was Peter Lloyd and Jane… Read more »

sam salt
7, October 2015 11:59 am

Unfortunately the ultimate responsibility for putting together the agenda for any lower tier council is that of the Clerk. They should of course work in partnership with the Chairman/Mayor on this but some do not. Below are the requirements as set down by the Local Government Association in respect of calling a meeting and posting the agenda: “The minimum three clear days for notice of a meeting… Read more »

Sally Perry
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Reply to  sam salt
7, October 2015 12:14 pm

A very informative and helpful response Zzzz!

sam salt
Reply to  Sally Perry
7, October 2015 12:33 pm

Thank you Sally. My personal view is that those Town and Parish Councils that work in partnership with the public achieve so much more than those that don’t. This has been proved by David Bartlett and Ventnor TC. David with his open and frank manner has made community working benefit Ventnor more than anyone could of have imagined. Some 6 or 7 years ago one would never… Read more »

I do not believe it
Reply to  sam salt
7, October 2015 12:47 pm

The fact that East Cowes Town Council is dominated by a self seeking cabal is, at last, slowly emerging.
The manner in which the town’s affairs are very often conducted are a disgrace.

Sally Perry
Admin
Reply to  sam salt
7, October 2015 1:04 pm

Yes, David Bartlett has really positively turned things around at VTC. From memory, his predecessor is the East Cowes town clerk.

sam salt
Reply to  Sally Perry
7, October 2015 1:30 pm

Yes Sally your memory serves you right.

sandancer
7, October 2015 12:53 pm

Thank you very much Zzzz’s for your very helpful information. Our Town Clerk has obviously misunderstood. She has made 3 clear days this week and 3 clear days next week. Please correct me if I am wrong. If there are 3 clear days next week, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, which there are before the meeting on Thursday 15th, the last day for Agenda items will be Friday when… Read more »

sam salt
Reply to  sandancer
7, October 2015 1:30 pm

Lin, if I have read the rules correctly then yes you are right. If the meeting notice is posted on Friday with a meeting the following Thursday then the Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday are the 3 clear days. The Clerk has the ULTIMATE SAY of what appears on the agenda, but a good clerk works with the Mayor or Chairman. There is a rule to get round… Read more »

Luisa Hillard
Reply to  sam salt
7, October 2015 5:39 pm

I believe that you are right about using documents from other Councils as having just read two policies, one talks about a “Complaints Committee” that we don’t have as a Town Council but almost certainly need, and another talks about “Democratic Services” which we also don’t have and so would appear to be the IWC recording policy. I do not recall adopting them anew each year. The… Read more »

sam salt
Reply to  Luisa Hillard
8, October 2015 5:07 pm

I was forwarded a copy of the Standing Orders for East Cowes TC. They were dated May 2014 although no date of adoption was included. I checked the minutes for May 2014 and the Standing Orders were accepted by the Councillors save for an amendment at 10b. This amendment was to limit the Mayor’s term to 2 years. No amendment had been made in the Standing Orders.… Read more »

sandancer
7, October 2015 3:08 pm

Zzzz. Again, thank you very much for all that information. The problem in East Cowes is that the Mayor and Town Clerk work too closely together as a sort of obstructive ‘tag-team’ to the detriment of the residents.

Julian Adams
7, October 2015 10:39 pm

I really hope that the stench of East Cowes beach can be solved and I welcome the current interest. Didn’t the harbour master undertake to remove any seaweed build up when the breakwater was built?

electrickery
Reply to  Julian Adams
19, July 2018 5:04 pm

I hope no-one is relying on either Cllr Webster or the Harbour Master for positive action in the community interest.
The HM will not want to admit that his vanity project might be causing the problem (he has enough complaints about it already!)
As for the Lady Mayor – ask anyone involved with governance of Queensgate School.

isleofwighter100
19, July 2018 11:21 am

NO IT’S NOT SEAWEED! So delighted to see your comments, and your efforts to get something done about the sewage stench in East Cowes. No, it is not seaweed, it is the stench of treated sewage and We should not have to put up with it! I am always pleased to invite friends and family across to show off this beautiful island, but so saddened to have… Read more »

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