Letter: I refuse to vote in a second EU referendum, says former UKIP candidate

Former UKIP parliamentary candidate, Iain McKie, believes a second EU referendum could be on the cards, but that he won’t vote in it because another referendum “undermines the democratic process”.

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This from former UKIP Isle of Wight parliamentary candidate, Iain McKie, of Totland. Ed


Whitehall and Brussels are swimming with rumours of a second EU referendum.

I campaigned and voted for Leave in a good faith that the democratic process would be respected.

A second vote undermines this principle, and for that reason I have given up my confidence in UK democracy and shall not vote in the next referendum (or the one after if it goes the ‘wrong way’ again) nor a General Election until a party that pledges to restore democracy emerges.

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Tuesday, 18th December, 2018 11:32am

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tomfitz

To all the keyboard warriors. Please explain in simple terms 2 things, Did you not think the EU would punish us for leaving? and the people had a vote (Democratic) the majority voted to leave what pray did you not understand about this process

mariner58
On 23rd June 2016 the entire electorate of the UK and NI were invited to take part in a vote on whether or not to remain part of the modern EU. There was a clear, if admittedly small, majority in favour of leaving and democracy is about accepting the will of the majority. Those remainers demanding another referendum have no real basis to insist that the will… Read more »
Billy Builder
With the greatest of respect BRexit means BRexit is all well and good, but no one knew what BRexit meant. The surveyors report is now in and it turns out the BRexit house has no foundations. The electorate has an absolute right to think again. There is nothing non-democratic about asking the electorate to vote again based on the new evidence. And if the electorate opts to… Read more »
mariner58

You reinforce my point.

Your interpretation of what Brexit may or may not mean and whether it has foundations or not is simply that; ‘your opinion’.

It is supremely arrogant of you to transpose your doubts and opinions onto the entire electorate claiming they were too ill informed or stupid to consider all the implications, including a no-deal Brexit, before voting.

I have more respect for them.

Daniel
What are you talking about? what new evidence? You go on about jumping into the abyss but that is just low class political spin and I feel pity for those who just repeat verbatim actually thinking they sound informed. Now tell me how much you know about the EU (without a google I bet you couldn’t name more than 3 people in the entire “parliament”). Brexit could… Read more »
hialtitude

We (Brexit) won. You lost. Dry your eyes and respect democracy.

Ian McKie

chausettes

Much as I disagree with Iain, he’d do well to refresh his understanding of the voting system. By not voting, any protest is lost. The only sure way to register his view is to spoil his ballot. A spoiled ballot gets counted!

greenhey

Can anyone tell me how lying to the electorate as extensively as UKIP and the Leave campaign did, contributes to democracy?
If you had agreed to buy a house, but after a survey found it was not as described, would you carry on anyway?
The predictions of economic disaster which were dismissed at the time are real now.
There is no clear way out of this that doesn’t harm something.

Daniel

What were the lies?

greenfiremouse

Let’s not forget that the referendum was non-binding.
We can still turn out back on Article 50. With the knowledge we have now, it is the only solution that makes sense.

iain mckie

I believe it was binding once it was confirmed by the Supreme Court, House of Parliament, and the House of Lords. What more confirmation is required?

iain mckie

You also fail to differentiate between knowledge and belief.

garyeldridge
Am I the only person who is sick to the back teeth with both sides; Brexiteers and Remainers? Both sides appear to have no interest in considering anything other than their own agenda and how to force that onto the People. That is a form of extremist and facist behaviour that I do not recognise as being any part of being British. The Referendum was a Straight… Read more »
oldie
Who would have believed how everything would change in the few hours since this post appeared on line!! All in one day we now know after the ‘secret legal advise’ to the Government was ‘leaked’ this morning to the Press that Article 50 cannot be extended beyond July 2nd, as on that date Britain would be legally bound to submit candidates for the MEP Elections so as… Read more »
middling
Where are you getting this nonsense? – The European Parliament elections are in May, not July and the UK parties are already in the process of selecting MEP candidates. – The EU have already said they’d likely grant an extension for a 2nd ref or general election (and not for any other reason, like renegotiations). – The majority of the £39 Billion is for ongoing commitments we’ve… Read more »
newman

Good, one less turkey voting for xmas.

hialtitude

Ian knows that the vote will reverse Brexit, he is a just a sore loser, after all how can another vote be undemocratic, voting is the very essence of democracy, saying that is not is just plain hypocritical and silly.

Daniel

Screaming until you get what you want isn’t democracy, it’s being an unlike-able child

oldie
Middling. The Withdrawal Agreement was unacceptable to a majority of MPs because of the Backstop. This leaves us tied to the EU forever as a Vassal State. A rule taker not a rule maker. There is no way out of the Backstop unless all 27 states are unanimous against us. The EU called Theresa May Nebulous! Nebulous. And are united that they would not reopen the Withdrawal… Read more »
middling
The Backstop exists to prevent a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, something the UK and Ireland have agreed must never happen because it threatens the peace process. It’s not the Backstop that’ll lead to the breakup of the Union, it’s Brexit that’ll do that. Both Northern Ireland and Scotland (and Gibraltar) voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU, it’s the voters of… Read more »
hialtitude

Just bin Brexit, it’s the daftest idea since Icarus thought flying closer to Sun was a good plan.

Daniel

17.4 million dumb I presume? you are obviously such a clever chap ;)

boatman

Big deal, no one will try to compel you Iain.
The big difference between any second referendum will be that more people will have a better understanding of the true implications rather than the pack of lies that were told previously by UKIP and the rest of the Brexiteers. What have you to be afraid of????

Daniel

Prey do tell

Daniel

Doh typo, *pray* although I do consider you as prey :)

hialtitude
I am revisiting this thread because I have just been looking at the latest YouGov polling. My interpretation is that about 60% of the voting population currently wish to remain in the EU and around 40% to leave. If there was another referendum that means that Brexit would be rejected by over a 20% margin. Don’t take my word for it though, have a look at the… Read more »
Daniel

forgive me for not taking the Guardian on face value (or even Youguv for that matter) and lets say by some miracle (for the remoaners) that a change of heart was called for, the whole shebang will be gone in 10 years making this whole “debate” mute.

greenhey
I can understand people being resistant to a second vote, bit it seems to me that the alternatives are worse. Sad that we are at this point but we have to be pragmatic.It is certainly the case that much more information has emerged since the first vote and you can only say that it would be a much better-informed vote. That £350m “saving” was being spoken about… Read more »
Daniel

No more information has emerged since the vote. Youtube was there then as it is now, if you wish to inform yourself, crack on. Net, gross you are splitting hairs. Both statements are factually true. What was the point in having the vote if the other half won’t play by the rules?

garyeldridge
Agree with the fact that a repeat referendum on the whether or not the UK should remain subject to the EU, seriously undermines the rule of democracy and those who espouse such are treading on very thin ice indeed. If a second vote is pushed through, the correct way to protest would be to deliberately spoil the Ballot Paper. If, as in the original referendum, 17.4 million… Read more »
Billy Builder
How an earth can a democratic vote be non democratic. In a peoples vote every individual would be able to vote for there preferred option of either to accept TMays deal, or remain in the EU, or if given a third option to exit with no deal. Now we are better informed as to what BRexit really means and the likely outcomes of a BRexit, people have… Read more »
Daniel

Brexit means brexit. We voted to trigger article 50 and leave the bloc, tick tock tick tock.

middling
Mr McKie fails to mention whether he supports the government’s Withdrawal Agreement or not. I guess he must support it because he says he campaigned for Leave and Mrs May’s deal entails leaving the EU, thus meets his criteria. In all seriousness I think that he, like most people, *doesn’t* support the government’s deal. The 2016 referendum was a single binary choice between leaving the EU or… Read more »
iain mckie

Hi Middling – I categorically refuse to support the Government’s Withdrawal Agreement. I campaigned for Leave pure and simple. I know that is not to everyone’s taste but I have been consistent on this.

hialtitude

Your attitude is consistent with that of a spoilt sobbing child unable to win at your chosen game you refuse to play any more. Thankfully UKIP lost massively at the last election and I suspect that UKIP lost it’s deposit with around 4% of the Island’s vote.

Your views do not reflect opinion on the Island.

iain mckie

We (Brexit) won. You lost. Dry your eyes and respect democracy.

Daniel

He still seems fairly active to me. I think all the business about a sobbing child is projecting your own insecurities onto Iain (from reading some of your other posts that is).

middling
But the government’s Withdrawal Agreement *does* involve leaving the EU, so how can you possibly refuse to support it? Are you saying you had some *other* kind of Brexit in mind? Sorry, that wasn’t on the 2016 referendum, only remain and a vague undefined leave was. You can see the problem. If you had something else in mind then how many others had their own ideas of… Read more »
iain mckie

Hi Middling: “vague undefined leave” is not what it said on the ballot paper. It offered “Remain a member of the European Union” or “Leave the European Union.” Pretty simple.

middling
And the government’s Withdrawal Agreement does involve the UK leaving the EU. So you should be totally onboard with it, and yet you’re not… You can’t have a referendum with an option that encompasses a multitude of potential outcomes and then be surprised when the eventual outcome isn’t what you had in mind. The fact is that if any specific type of Brexit had been the question… Read more »
Daniel

The man voted leave and not for anything other how hard is that to understand? Muddying the waters is and has always been a cheap political stunt to whip people up on detail with no significance. If I say I am about to leave the house but I just stand in the doorway I haven’t left my house. Get it?

hialtitude
It’s undemocratic because the pendulum of public opinion has swung towards remaining within the European Union and if a second vote will prove this. In other words it’s only a democratic vote if UKIP are assured of victory. It is worth noting that even ex UKIP party leader Farage called the decision by current party leader Gerald Batten to allow Stephen Yaxley-Lennon aka Tommy Robinson to join… Read more »
iain mckie
I have nothing to do with UKIP, nor have I for two years (almost). The UK was offered a plain and simple Leave/Remain vote pure and simple, with no offer of a super majority, regional veto, civil service engagement (ie foreknowledge of any deal). On a personal level I disagreed with these conditions, but had to accept the terms as offered by a pro-Remain Tory Government. As… Read more »
hialtitude
I don’t think everyone thought carefully enough about the initial vote, the band played ‘Rule Britannia’ and the NHS was promised extra money on the side of a bus. People have since realised how serious leaving the EU is, the loss of our countries trade deals, border checks that threaten the security of food and medical supplies, no one voted for these things. A second referendum is… Read more »
iain mckie

Hi Hialtitude, I hold an MA in EU Politics (Distinction) and worked in EU regulated climate and energy policies for a decade (EU ETS). I knew what I was voting for in 2016 and why.

Daniel
your points: 1 – Arrogant 2 – Bulls**t. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about here 3 – There is no deadlock, 90% of them want the same thing 4 – Hyper inflation will be what kills us. We will never pay the debt back and since almost all of that borrowing has been done in the last 20 years I am not sure… Read more »
chrisinthemorning

If you have nothing to do with UKIP anymore you might want to remove the UKIP banner from your Facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/iain.mckie.71

iain mckie

Hi Chris in The Morning, my facebook photo which page is me at Twickenham. Any other page is nowt to do with me.