Road PFI: Detailed report on Ventnor roadshow

This report is from the PFI meeting held in Ventnor on Monday. The next PFI roadshow takes place tonight (Wednesday) at Cowes Enterprise College at 6pm. Island Roads staff will be available from 5pm to answer questions.


Around 50 residents went along to the Highways PFI meeting on Monday night at Ventnor Botanic Garden to learn more about how the Highways PFI will work and the plans for roads in the South – that has been labelled as District 5.

Attending from the Isle of Wight council were Cabinet member Cllr Eddie Giles, PFI project director, Jay Jayasundara and project manager for Island Roads, Mark Griffin who all gave presentations, along with Malcolm Smith (Highways) who was on hand to answer any questions during the Q&A session.

820km of roads being upgraded
Out of the 820km of roads that will be upgraded over the Island and maintained over the next 25 years by the service contract with Vinci Ringway Meridiam, 98km fall within District 5.

It’s not just the resurfacing of the roads. It was explained that the service contract included all ‘assets’ from fence to fence, ie, roads, footways, pavements, street cleansing, roadside grass-cutting, gully clearing, bins, streetlamps, signage, CCTV etc.

Major roadworks for seven years
Residents were told the first seven years of the contract would see the bulk of the work taking place, when all roads would be brought up to standard from “the worst in the country to the best in the country”. A phrase repeated many times during the two hour session.

It was said that we can expect to see 10-15 times more work being done to the roads from 1st April 2013 for the next seven years, Jay Jayasundara explaining that much of this work would take place in the evenings in an attempt to avoid disruption for business, school, commuter or holiday-maker traffic.

Geo-technical failures
The contractors would not be responsible for widening or extending roads. This would still remain the responsibility of the council and any geo-techical failures not already covered in the contract “would be dealt with accordingly and appropriately by the IWC at that time.”

It was explained there were 18 major geo-technical schemes included in the contract, all of which had been identified through a comprehensive risk assessment of the roads network.

Four ‘red’ zone in the Undercliff
Four specific sites in the Undercliff had been identified as ‘red’ zones and residents were told that Island Roads have developed ‘the suitable solutions’ to deal with these.

Work on the four sites in the Undercliff is due to start in Dec 2014. Several residents expressed concerns over the roads failing before work started. They were told by Ringway directors that they’d be continually assessing the situation.

Number of street signs to be reviewed
It’s not surprising for Islander to hear that there are a lot of road signs on the Island, but whether any of us actually knew there were a whopping 16,875 of them(!), is uncertain.

All current signage has been logged in a survey of assets that the PFI contractor will be responsible for and Ringway advised that they’d be consulting with town and parish councils, businesses, attractions etc to determine the relevance and quality of signage, with a view to reducing them.

“The train is leaving”
PFI project Director, Jay Jayasundara, ran a short quiz for residents, reading out how many miles of road there were on the Island, signs, trees etc and asking residents to guess how many were within District 5.

He joked that he could let residents have the list for pub quizzes for a small fee, which prompted a comment from the audience that residents had already paid.

He finished his presentation by saying, “the train is leaving and those who want to jump on it, can.” and then passed over to a director of Ringway Infrastructure (and Island Roads) Nick Goddard and Paul Herbert, who will oversee the Island Roads project on the Island.

Ringway’s presentation
Nick and Paul ran through their presentation, clarifying the work they’d be carrying out in the area.

They confirmed that a technical survey had been carried out by the PFI team on all roads to determine the current state of each of them. The survey directs how far a road will be stripped back before the surface being treated.

Employment of staff
It was confirmed that TUPE negotiations were taking place between Island Roads and the council. 100 of the 170 staff would be moving over from the council. This was made up of 65 highways staff and the other 35 coming from the company that currently sub-contracts street cleaning, verge-cutting, etc service to the council.

There would be seventeen places for graduates within the organisation, along with funding for four local apprenticeships.

Local involvement
Nick added that all staff would be granted two days per annum to spend time contributing to local projects. A practice often seen exercised by large corporate companies as part of their social responsibility.

He suggest that this might consist of something like staff helping to finish a community garden project, but he was keen to hear other ideas from residents as to what staff could get involved with.

Residents would also be invited to become what was referred to as ‘Lay Assessors’ for Island Roads.

Nick explained he was looking for residents to volunteer to keep an eye out on the roads/road works, feeding back to Island Roads about how their teams were “operating on the network”.

Public Q&A: Financial viability model
Chale resident (and OnTheWight contributor), Mike Starke, kicked off the question and answer session, addressing the financial viability model of Meridiam Infrastructure (the investors).

He questioned how the required profit margin could be achieved in relation to highways PFI and pointing out that Meridiam had only been in existence for five years and based on Luxembourg, asked whether the council should be “associated with such a company”.

He was told that Meridiam had been involved with previous PFI projects in the UK and that had also worked with Vinci.

Jay Jayasundara replied that £120m needs spent up front in the first years of the project and that it was perfectly understandable that the project having a funding partner like Meridiam. He added that this had been spoken about from day one of the PFI proposal.

More questions were posed by Mr Starke, but speaking to him afterwards, he said he felt that they hadn’t been fully answered.

Drainage
Concerns over drainage and how the problem would be tackled were raised by several residents during the event and answered by Jay Jayasundara, who pointed out that 150 drainage blackspots had been pinpointed.

He added that there are 18 areas of geo-technical challenge where drains would be reconstructed completely.

No answers of the asphalt options
Steve Goodman asked whether the proposed asphalt plant at Medina Wharf was “strategically important” to their project, as their partner company Eurovia had stated in their planning application.

He also asked where Ringway would source their Asphalt from if the asphalt plant planning application was not approved.

It was stated that there was no direct link between the PFI contract and the planning application for an asphalt plant on the Island.

Nick Goddard for Ringway answered that their asphalt “will come from a number of options,” when pushed as to what they were he added, “I’m not going into those.”

Protect the public realm
Ward councillor Susan Scoccia asked that the relevant bodies, such as the town council, business association, etc be consulted on any changes made to the public realm.

Mr Goddard replied that following the survey of all assets, the intention was to improve the public realm, to remove unwanted signage etc., and that they would liaise with all stakeholders.

A question over street parking and parking restrictions was raised, and it was confirmed that this area was still be within the remit of the Isle of Wight council. Maintaining the payment machines in the car parks would be done by Island Roads.

Bridleways remain the responsibility of the council
One lady expressed concern for the bridleway between Niton to Whitwell, asking whether anything would be done to improve it. Malcolm Smith (IWC Highways Dept) replied that improvements would be made to the road, but that bridleways would continue to be the responsibility of the Isle of Wight council.

Another gentleman asked whether all the geo-technical surveys (by High-Point Rendel) that had been carried out in the run-up to the Undercliff saga would be used by the PFI team.

He was told that all surveys carried out by the council would be passed in electronic form to the PFI contractor, Ringway.

Big Brother?
Another resident asked about CCTV.

It was confirmed that a new control centre was being built in Daish Way Newport where all current CCTV on the Island would be monitored from. Asked whether residents will be living under a Big Brother watching all of their moves, it was stated that the current CCTV coverage would be maintained. There was also mentioned that later, changes to CCTV “may take place”.

Image: © IslandRoads

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Cynic
24, September 2014 1:06 pm

Is SB learning self-promoting PR from CW?

Simon Haytack
Reply to  Cynic
24, September 2014 1:29 pm

I personally find it helpful to know the views of parliamentary candidates before making a vote, especially on something as important as a relationship with the Isle of Wight Council. This clearly shows Stewart would work well with the council on representing the Island’s interests, which is what we need. Not exactly what we’ve had in the past. Would you prefer to vote for a candidate who’s… Read more »

Cynic
Reply to  Cynic
24, September 2014 4:54 pm

I wonder which of the two parties do not like that comment? :-))

Cynic
Reply to  Cynic
24, September 2014 5:32 pm

Perhaps both? :-)

The Sciolist
24, September 2014 1:09 pm

Presumably space did not allow him to say that labour bankrupted the country, leaving the Tories to pick up the pieces.

No way will the public trust Labour again for a very long time yet. Ed Milliband didn’t even remember to mention the billions of debt or the economy in his yawn worthy 70 minute speech yesterday.

Billy Builder
Reply to  The Sciolist
24, September 2014 2:06 pm

Whilst certainly not a Labour supporter, I find the interesting that in the Tory mind, the previous government would appear to be responsible for the global recession. I didn’t know the UK had such influence.

Cynic
Reply to  Billy Builder
24, September 2014 2:37 pm

It is part of the Tory myth and the “Goebbels tactic” i.e. the more you repeat the Big Lie the more people will believe it. The OBR (created in 2010 by the new Cameron Government) reports that the New Labour government was over-optimistic in its tax revenues forecast. But fails to report that for 11 years the borrowing:GDP ratio was below that inherited from the previous Tory… Read more »

Stephen
Reply to  The Sciolist
24, September 2014 4:04 pm

So nothing to do with a world banking collapse caused by American sub-prime mortgages being peddled world wide. Next you’ll be claiming that the European economic downturn and the collapse of Lehmann Brothers was also the fault of UK government policies.

peaceful_life
Reply to  Stephen
24, September 2014 4:15 pm

@Stephen.

Deregulation was* policy.

kevin1746
Reply to  The Sciolist
24, September 2014 8:58 pm

what a load of babble.

Any debt and deficit that existed during Labours reigh created by a global banking crash has doubled under the Tories

Cynic
Reply to  kevin1746
25, September 2014 3:43 pm

Not true. As percentages of GDP:

* national DEBT has increased from about 50% in 2010 to 75% in 2013. (so a 50% increase not “double”

* national budgetary DEFICIT has DECREASED from 9.5% in 2010 to 7.5% in 2013.

[BTW I do not support the Tories but like to know the facts].

peaceful_life
Reply to  Cynic
25, September 2014 4:02 pm

@Cicero.

Would you supply the source please?

Cynic
Reply to  peaceful_life
25, September 2014 4:31 pm

http://www.economicshelp.org
Source: ONSHF6X (for Debt)
Source: HM Treasury- Public Finances Feb 2013 (Deficit)

Stewart Blackmore
Reply to  The Sciolist
25, September 2014 1:16 pm

To Sciolist and others who seem to want to talk about national issues and/or the Labour Party, I am more than happy to do that, but that is not the purpose of this thread which was, of course, to highlight the difficulties at County Hall. With regard to PR, it is my job to highlight matters which I believe need addressing and need no guidance from CW… Read more »

Cynic
Reply to  Stewart Blackmore
25, September 2014 1:40 pm

However Stewart your letter strayed from “difficulties at County Hall”- of which we are all pretty aware- into an opportunity for political sniping agaisnt the other parties. e.g. * A rag bag collection of individuals (presumably the Indies?) * any future Independent Parliamentary Candidate (if, indeed, one is chosen) would have to explain why he or she should represent the Island’s interest at Westminster when Independents can’t… Read more »

peaceful_life
Reply to  Stewart Blackmore
25, September 2014 1:46 pm

@Stewart. Aren’t the cuts the entire point of your letter? Whether the they are implemented with a heavy heart or with a cold detachment, they are still cuts passed down from central gov, yes it’s far more preferable that the independents stay cohesive in order to push against such ideology, however…the national issues are the local issues and Labour aren’t looking to sway from the status quo… Read more »

Cynic
Reply to  peaceful_life
25, September 2014 1:53 pm

…. as was witnessed by reports from the recent (New) Labour conference.

Stewart Blackmore
Reply to  Cynic
25, September 2014 2:22 pm

My point, Cicero, is that I was NOT referring to national issues, only the IOW and that particular meeting, which I commented upon as I saw it.

My letter, contrary to what you state, does NOT stray away from difficulties at County Hall.

The whole point of the letter was entirely about those difficulties.

Cynic
Reply to  Cynic
25, September 2014 3:09 pm

In which case Stewart, other than the first two paragraphs, the rest are superfluous as they do do not address your “local concerns”.

Steve Goodman
24, September 2014 1:10 pm

‘I am not optimistic and the future for Islanders looks very bleak’ probably sums up the feelings of many; if our politicians, local & national, can do no better than fail us, and claiming asylum in Scotland didn’t quite become an option, what follows?

The Sciolist
24, September 2014 1:25 pm

The truth is that none of them can promise more money for the Island. The reduction of £28 million over three years is a fact of life and the sooner they start making actual plans to deal with it the better. Talk does not save money, action does. It’s typical of Labour to make rash promises in the run-up to an election. That said, the so called… Read more »

peaceful_life
Reply to  The Sciolist
24, September 2014 4:23 pm

@Sciolist.
None of them want to becuase they are…one and the same.

Could we not have a debt jubilee via some accontancy exercises?…..let’s face it, they cannot ever be paid anyway.

stephen
Reply to  The Sciolist
24, September 2014 9:13 pm

Presumably increasing the number of bands would increase the income of the precepting local authority and central government would/could then reduce central funding to local authorities even further.

Then that money would directed into the NHS less some to replace shot-down RAF planes lost in action in the latest middle east turmoil.

davidwalter
24, September 2014 1:26 pm

Stewart — Your letter sets out your personal feelings, which you’re entitled to, of course, but what are you asking Ian Stephens (or anyone else, come to that) to do? Or not to do? Can you please explain?

Stewart Blackmore
Reply to  davidwalter
25, September 2014 1:18 pm

David, I would have thought that was the whole premise of my letter; I want Ian to lead and not be distracted or intimdated by the tactics which the Tory group seem intent on using.

davidwalter
Reply to  Stewart Blackmore
25, September 2014 5:22 pm

Stewart — I thought the main premise of your letter was that should the Conservatives have more control of the IWC, there would be consequential cuts that would, in your words “be unimaginable and the Island would never recover.”? The argy-bargy in the Council chamber wasn’t instigated by the Conservative group, it came from the falling-out of Indy Councillors and the resulting confusion. Clearly we both agree… Read more »

Cynic
Reply to  davidwalter
25, September 2014 5:31 pm

David, you are assuming that any political party with local control would not follow the instructions and ideology emanating from the same party that controlled the ministries and Westminster.

As we saw, the previous IWC followed central govenment directions on education, PFI, selling off/giving away public assets to private organisations, buying the BT/Supafast project, cutting locally decided benefits and activities. etc.

tryme
Reply to  davidwalter
25, September 2014 8:32 pm

It’s all too likely that “the argy-bargy in the Council chamber” *was* “instigated by the Conservative group”, David, orchstrated by Chris W..

He was very and uncharacteristically absent from OTW before the alleged coup attempt, (these things take planning!), and his management of Cllr Chapman points the same way.

mike starke
24, September 2014 3:00 pm

Having haunted the public gallery at County Hall for more years than I care to remember, back to when my old pal John Wortham and I (dubbed “Waldorf & Staedtler” back then) were usually the only witnesses to the mad hatter’s tea party playing out – literally and metaphorically – beneath us, I have some sympathy with Stewart Blackmore’s frustration over recent antics in Halitosis Hall. I… Read more »

Caconym
24, September 2014 4:52 pm

Frankly, they are all as bad as each other. Except the ‘kippers, who are infinitely worse.

Trouble is, that is the way that many, shall we say, less savoury governments came to power. People thinking any change will be an improvement.

Steve Goodman
Reply to  Caconym
24, September 2014 10:42 pm

I have reason to believe that the Greens are not only not as bad as the others, but also represent the best chance of improvement. Trying to prosper & survive by continuing to pretend that business as usual – built on debt, destruction, selfishness & greed – remains possible or desirable will not work; nature/science doesn’t allow it, & the Greens are much more likely to respond… Read more »

peaceful_life
Reply to  Steve Goodman
25, September 2014 8:38 am

@Steve.

Agreed on the Greens, they’re the only worthy of a vote.

Cynic
Reply to  peaceful_life
25, September 2014 11:37 am

Those political pundits (the bookies) are betting on no party having an overall majority in the 2015 election. That should help the Greens because the only way they can radically influence politics (no matter how desrable that influence would be) is to be the crucial difference between one or other party gaining power as in the Bundestag. However, it is possible they will be ousted from the… Read more »

Billy Builder
Reply to  Cynic
25, September 2014 12:08 pm

Cicero – Coalition government is and always will be about consensus and compromise. The amount of compromise made will be inversely proportional to the number of seats in the coalition. If you want fair government then you need to ensure that the amount of representation equates to the level of votes received. If we had had a fair voting system in the last election the seat distribution… Read more »

Cynic
Reply to  Cynic
25, September 2014 12:12 pm

The marginal parties that confer overall authority in a coalition have political power far beyond their share of the electorate.

Take that of SHAS in the Knesset for example. (BTW Israel operate a proportional voting system.)

peaceful_life
Reply to  Cynic
25, September 2014 12:45 pm

@Cicero.

Media ‘influence’ is king, if it wasn’t…*UKIP* wouldn’t exist and the Greens be known as the only reasonable vote.

Cynic
Reply to  Cynic
25, September 2014 12:58 pm

Tell the bookies.

Stewart Blackmore
Reply to  Steve Goodman
25, September 2014 1:23 pm

Try telling that to the electors of Brighton Steve, who seem to have had enough of the goings-on of the Greens there, where it looks as if Caroline Lucas is going to lose her seat to Labour next May.

To quote just one recent headline: “Brighton loses patience with chaotic Greens”!

davidwalter
Reply to  Stewart Blackmore
26, September 2014 8:49 am

I agree, Stewart. Being green is what we should all do. That’s not the same as joining the ‘Green Party’. Take the bus, take a shower not a bath, put on a sweater instead of turning the heating up, turn the lights out, recycle thoughtfully, shop locally, buy as little as we really need, buy low carbon low mileage products, treat travel as a treat, not a… Read more »

block8
24, September 2014 7:56 pm

I now regard my minor efforts to get out and vote in the last local election as a waste of lead in what was a perfectly good pencil.

I won’t be bothering again.

Billy Builder
Reply to  block8
25, September 2014 1:23 pm

The trouble is, something like 75% of the UK voting population have no real say, in that about 75% of the seats will always go to the sitting MP/party. In constituencies such a IOW, Chelsea & Knowsley the sitting party could put a donkey up for election it would win. However, even if it is a lost cause you should always vote, either with your heart or… Read more »

Cynic
Reply to  Billy Builder
25, September 2014 1:51 pm

Voter apathy is the faithful friend of parties in power.

Mix voter lazinessthat with party leaders who are professional politicians with little ot no knowledge outside the Westminster Bubble and you have the recipe for the status quo to continue forever. Political parties want you to be apathetic about voting.

Voting should be compulsory.

tryme
Reply to  Cynic
26, September 2014 6:34 am

What makes you think a lot of people would stop being apathetic if voting was compulsory?! A thoughtless, compulsory vote is no good to anyone. Much better to make politicians work at engaging people than they complacently sit back and the electorate blamed, (‘everyone’s out of step except my Jonny’). I’d rather see signs of genuine interest and sense of involvement on the part of a population… Read more »

Billy Builder
Reply to  tryme
26, September 2014 8:16 am

For people to vote there needs to be a reason. For them to vote in large numbers there has to be a very good reason, that is a real race as in the Scottish referendum. To have a real race in a UK General election you either have to ban all parties other than the main two so at least 50% of the voters in each constituency… Read more »

davidwalter
Reply to  tryme
26, September 2014 8:50 am

tryme — I agree with all of that.

Cynic
Reply to  tryme
26, September 2014 10:32 am

So you have conscientiously done your civic duty Billy Builder.

How do you rate those who do not?

tryme
Reply to  tryme
26, September 2014 8:03 pm

Heavens David, I agreed with you recently. People will start to talk!

Cynic
Reply to  Cynic
26, September 2014 9:40 am

Citizenship has duties as well as rights. In a democracy, one of those duties is to choose the governance. As to the motivation to vote, you are right that voters should be encouraged to turn up at polling stations to register their choice of policies. That is the “carrot”. However, electoral history shows that- other than in the highly motivated Scottish referendum- voter turnout has been dropping… Read more »

Billy Builder
Reply to  Cynic
26, September 2014 9:55 am

If an individuals vote will have no possible impact on the result, what’s the point in voting. Any Labour supporter voting in a general election on IOW is wasting his or her time.

Cynic
Reply to  Cynic
26, September 2014 9:57 am

Apathy rules!

Billy Builder
Reply to  Cynic
26, September 2014 10:18 am

apathy: lack of interest, enthusiasm, or concern.

If your vote can have absolutely no influence on the result, then not voting is not apathetic.

BTW, I have never not voted.

Bob Seely
25, September 2014 5:37 pm

Hi, May I reply to the Island’s Labour Parliamentary candidate, who accused me of ranting because I asked written questions at the last Council meeting. Dear Mr Blackmore, I am saddened that you feel I was allowed to ‘rant.’ I feel that my questions were just that; questions. I do not ask them as part of a wider ‘Party’ front. I asked them because I felt they… Read more »

Cynic
Reply to  Bob Seely
25, September 2014 5:56 pm

(To remind us from the excellent live coverage of the meeting) ……………………………………………… (19:23) Cllr Seely calls the EACs foolish. (20:10) Cllr Seely asks the leader whether he will continue in his role and has the confidence of his group. (20:34) Cllr Seely asks whether she has any idea how difficult it is to produce sustainable crop. (20:51) Cllr Seely asks whether the planning inspector’s decision on Arreton… Read more »

sam salt
Reply to  Cynic
25, September 2014 6:53 pm

Good Evening Mr Seely, good to see a Conservative other than Mr Whitehouse having input to this site. I make one comment, as you are alleged to be the Conservative candidate in waiting for the 2019 elections, (does Mr Whitehouse know this?) I look forward to seeing both you and Mr Blackmore canvassing. Arguing some 5 years before the event – seems we are going to have… Read more »

Jonathan Bacon
Reply to  Cynic
25, September 2014 8:14 pm

The questions on road safety were not asked but appeared on the list of submitted written questions. The problem some of us had with these in the Chamber was that they related to a paper before the previous Executive Meeting wherein most of the answers could be readily located (herewith a link, including a link to the relevant policy document http://www.iwight.com/Meetings/committees/Executive/9-9-14/PAPER%20I.pdf ). Questions in Full Council are… Read more »

martin William Wareham
Reply to  Jonathan Bacon
25, September 2014 8:41 pm

Who is telling the truth Councillor Seely or Councillor Bacon The majority of my questions were about road safety Councillor Seely The questions on road safety were not asked Councillor Bacon.

Stewart Blackmore
Reply to  Bob Seely
25, September 2014 10:42 pm

Cllr Seely, I think that the responses to your post probably speak for themselves, but my recollection is that the Chair cut your intervention short. Unfortunately the questions which you proposed are not published in the Council’s website so we will have to wait for the minutes to be published in due course. I have never at any time commented on your work for your residents for… Read more »

peaceful_life
25, September 2014 5:58 pm

@Cicero.

Thank you for the source.

I think, Tejvan, best get peddling over to Kingston uni pdq.

;-0)

Island Monkey
25, September 2014 7:32 pm

Sisyphus? Which ward did he fight or win?

They can’t help but show off can they these educated Tories, but I suppose it works for Boris.

Pray tell, is your desire to be the Island’s next Mp inspired by the classically educated Boris Mr Seely?

Cynic
Reply to  Island Monkey
25, September 2014 8:16 pm

Ephyria. He was punished for chronic deceitfulness- so might well have been apolitcian as well as a king.

BTW the greatest fear of the elite is an educated working-class! :-))

The Sciolist
25, September 2014 9:02 pm

Yes, how apt that Sisyphus was punished for chronic deceitfulness. Was Mr Seely not part of the cabal that attempted and failed to remove Andrew Turner as the Tory candidate next May?

For those too lazy to google, Sisyphus was condemned to push a boulder up a hill for all time, only to watch it slide back down again.

Don smith
26, September 2014 12:57 am

For a minute, I thought ‘The Sciolist’s’ reference to ‘Sisyphus’ was a contagious disease:-) I am dyslectic; that’s my excuse.

Will our MP vote for and support a 9% pay rise for MPs?
With his partner’s income, lots of perks and expenses. I feel they is are a nice little earner.

davidwalter
26, September 2014 10:43 am

Billy Builder — I don’t agree that it’s a waste of time voting when your candidate has no hope of winning. Such votes send a message to everyone and influence the political dynamics. Maybe on very special occasions a tactical vote is worthwhile but for the most part I think folk are best to vote for the candidate they prefer.

Billy Builder
Reply to  davidwalter
26, September 2014 11:09 am

I wasn’t saying that it was a waste of time voting, if I were I wouldn’t vote. What I was saying is that if you want people to be fully engaged in the political process then you need a system whereby every vote matters. People in general do not vote for lost causes.

Cynic
Reply to  Billy Builder
26, September 2014 11:18 am

Today- Ryde Town Council vote- turnout was 19.95%. The winner had a margin of 167.

Over 80% of Ryde residents could not be bothered to vote.

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