RRC - Maddie Dunn, Steph Kissick, Micky Jenner, Nick Pike, Ben Ade and Sam Cocker - Coxswains - Matt Brading and Jodie Cocker - and Lou Maidment:

Strong performances at South Coast Championships Regatta

Thanks to Steve for this latest report from the Ryde Rowing Club. Ed


The Junior Senior Crew of Stephen Johnson, Adam Edwards, Ollie Gove and James Cleary with Sam Brading coxing have already been confirmed as the Hants & Dorset ARA Champions and were selected to represent the Association in the Championship event, but they were never entirely comfortable in the difficult conditions and failed to settle into their usual rhythm finishing in third place – a disappointment after such a successful season.

However the Club’s entries in the Open events met with some success especially from the Men’s Senior Four of Mick Jenner, Nick Pike, Ben Ade and Sam Cocker with Jodie Cocker coxing, who took an early lead in their final, which they never looked like losing eventually winning by several lengths. Their was a similar margin of victory for the Ladies Senior Open crew of Steph Kissick, Jodie Cocker, Lou Maidment and Maddie Dunn with young Matt Brading coxing – all the more impressive as Steph is still a Novice and Jodie only a Junior Oarswomen – unlike the Men’s Senior Crew who were all previous Senior Champions.

Other strong performances
There were further strong performances from the Club’s other open entries – the Men’s Junior Four four of Calum Lockhart, Sam Brading, James Smith and Will Ford – with Matt Brading coxing once again – raced well within themselves to qualify for final where they finished in fourth place – a strong performance from a crew that only gained promotion to this status at the end of the season.

The Men’s Novice A crew of Tom Kearney, Steven Soal, Jacob Redstone and Joe Groves with another young Ryde coxswain – Paddy Kearney steering did exceptionally well to reach their final where the finished in 6th place – while the Novice B Crew of Ben Toms, Dom Douglas, Joel Smith and Matt Jeacock with Austin Smith coxing also had a good row but just failed to make the final.

These two Men’s Novice Crews were scheduled to compete again in the Junior Regatta on the Sunday in a variety of boats – but the forecast of wind in excess of 26 mph correctly lead to the organisers cancelling this Regatta and in attempt to make the most of Saturdays marginally better conditions they switched the J16 Coxed Quads to the Saturday – racing after the conclusion of the Championship and Open events. As a result the Clubs Novices squad, who are all actually J15 oarsman – took to the water once again to compete in the Boys J16 Coxed Quad event but in slightly different formats. The A Crew of Jacob Redstone, Dom Douglas, Joel Smith and Joe Groves with Austin Smith coxing comfortably qualified for the final – where in a freak incident when they where hit by a rogue wave a rigger got bent and the crew had to be assisted by a safety boat which had to remove a set of sculls to allow the crew to proceed to the finish and complete the race, all be it in last place. The B Crew of Ben Toms, Steven Soal, Tom Kearney and Matt Jeacock with Paddy Kearney coxing had just failed to make the final.

Image: LtoR – Back – Maddie Dunn, Steph Kissick, Micky Jenner, Nick Pike, Ben Ade and Sam Cocker. Front – Coxswains – Matt Brading and Jodie Cocker – and Lou Maidment.

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Karen Gentleman
2, August 2011 12:12 pm

Talk about a step backwards!

Tina Walker
Reply to  Karen Gentleman
2, August 2011 12:21 pm

Why, nothing else is working or deterring people!

nancy farrell
Reply to  Tina Walker
2, August 2011 12:40 pm

The death penalty has been proven NOT to be a deterrent, in fact states in America that have the death penalty have more violent crime than the ones that don’t.

Paleo
Reply to  nancy farrell
3, August 2011 9:25 am

Justice and retribution not deterrent; however I think you will find that those executed are deterred from re-offending…

John
Reply to  nancy farrell
5, August 2011 8:39 pm

That’s true and I read about some middle east country where they cut off the hands for theft-the thefts in those areas actually go up. Just look at the USA,where they have the death penalty for murder in some states,the murder levels have not gone down-often the reverse in these death penalty states.

No.5
Reply to  Tina Walker
2, August 2011 2:16 pm

so we have no deterent…lets just murder them instead

John
Reply to  No.5
5, August 2011 9:15 pm

I think state violence will not stop the murderers-it will just make society more violent and lead to more murders.

hel43
Reply to  Karen Gentleman
2, August 2011 12:26 pm

Maybe that is what is needed.

wabbit
Reply to  hel43
2, August 2011 12:36 pm

Before debating the death penalty, maybe we should be debating discipline in schools and society.Short sharp shock treatment first,bring back caning in schools and flogging in prisons.

John
Reply to  wabbit
5, August 2011 9:25 pm

Beating of school children was wrong and criminal-glad it has been criminalised now.Sure it damaged a lot of people in later life who were abused by sadist teachers,especially at Catholic schools on the Island.I have personal experience of the damage it can do as I was a victim of violent teachers.

Don Smith
Reply to  John
28, May 2012 12:03 am

Our schools are a disgrace, no discipline and the poor teachers have to put up with it. It again goes back to poor parenting. I visit a school everyday – The students just do what they want. Security guards are employed just to keep the students from going into the swimming baths foyer to obtain crisps, toffee bars etceteras. Why not just get rid of the vending… Read more »

Same old song
Reply to  Karen Gentleman
3, August 2011 4:21 pm

It’s the silly season and right on cue our MP chases easy headlines to make it look like he is doing his job and the media obliges. This week a press release on the death penalty. Coming up – ferry services; EU membership; immigration; bashing gays and lebians; the importance of tourism to the Island economy; cutting waste and red tape; something to do with animal welfare… Read more »

John
Reply to  Same old song
3, August 2011 4:44 pm

Oh and do not forget the emphasis on Eastern Europeans(coded words for Polish who are doing the jobs the lazy British hate or cannot do!) to blame for everything in the press.

Just pure racism,which needs to be challenged in court.

pig face
Reply to  John
5, August 2011 9:18 pm

Yes,my builder,my dentist…those that do the work at the U.K’s biggest salad crop provider here on the island….send them all home (but please don’t because I don’t want to do all that work on my own)

Sailor Sam
2, August 2011 12:28 pm

Deffo for child murder and terrorism. With DNA available there isnt much chance of executing an innocent person. Also, they could keep them on ‘death row’ for say, 2 years to exhaust every possibility of them being innocent.

nancy farrell
2, August 2011 12:30 pm

When I hear debates about the death penalty it always occurs to me people would give very different answers depending on how you phrase the question. If you ask “Should we hang paedophiles rapists and murderers?” A lot of people would probably say yes. But you ask “Should the state have the power to take your life?” (and you may have to explain that as “The Government”… Read more »

Steve
Reply to  nancy farrell
2, August 2011 12:37 pm

The survey on Andrew Turner’s website doesn’t ask for peoples views. If you disagree with the death penalty as you can in answering the first question, all the subsequent questions seek is an affirmation of Mr Turner’s desire to raise the issue in Parliament. Not a balanced view from Islanders.

ThomasC
2, August 2011 12:35 pm

Maybe getting those in prison to work while they’re in there might be a more sensible step (and less draconian). Obviously that’s a bit more contentious than the death penalty, because although the benefit to the UK (and the prison system) would be significant, so would the likelihood of legal challenges associated with prisoner’s right to sit on their backsides all day. Changes to the death penalty… Read more »

Karen Gentleman
2, August 2011 12:36 pm

The death penalty has worked really well in other countries, hasn’t it?

Steve
Reply to  Karen Gentleman
2, August 2011 12:42 pm

Especially if you wish to rid yourself of people who oppose your view. Governments change, a more oppressive regime in times of fear may use such a penalty to achieve political gains. No to the death penalty and no to the cruelty of having someone sit in a cell wondering if their life will one day be suddenly ended by The State.

Polka Dot
2, August 2011 1:05 pm

firstly, I have to agree with one of the above statements. Instil a set of morals and discipline in children. for too long, parents haven’t been able to discipline way ward children, not just in a physical sense…but verbally too now. teachers are unable to discipline children verbally, nor are there any threats of discipline that are shown to be effective nowadays. As a society, we are… Read more »

naomi
2, August 2011 1:06 pm

If you kill someone because you feel they deserve to die then does that not make you a guilty as a murderer, a crimial?

Paleo
Reply to  naomi
3, August 2011 9:28 am

Judicial killing is not murder which is defined as unlawful killing – let’s get the terminology right

Mr Sandown Sally
2, August 2011 1:09 pm

Well done Andrew Turner, I am certain a majority of people in Britain want the death penalty for the worst crimes, where guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Too often we know that ‘life’ in reality can mean 10 or 12 years. Ian Huntley deserved the rope, as did Roy Whiting, Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Brady, Fred West and currently, Levi Bellfield to name just a few,… Read more »

Polka Dot
Reply to  Mr Sandown Sally
2, August 2011 2:10 pm

NOT a reasonable doubt…beyond a shadow of a doubt. and only then.
Reasonable doubt can be swung either way, and has let off many a criminal over the years, and imprisoned many an innocent party. BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT. this is a human life, and as such, only irrefutable evidence should be allowed.

No.5
Reply to  Mr Sandown Sally
2, August 2011 2:21 pm

murder is murder how ever you want to colour it..and statements like..’the majority want it’ are plain wrong as every previous survey has shown we do not want state authorised murder.

Thank god the European Courts will stop us from returning to barbarism

EinsteinsGhost
Reply to  No.5
2, August 2011 3:58 pm

Even if it really is true the ‘majority’ of people want it, why would that make it right? or effective? or just? It doesn’t. I am angry and saddened that AT wants to raise this. The chances of it being re-introduced are just about NIL anyway, so what is his real motive? I am proud to live in one of the many Countries in the world that… Read more »

sweeny
2, August 2011 1:11 pm

If you execute someone for murder, they wont do it again will they? Also if we are not going to execute murderers, then a life sentence must mean life!At present our pathetic so called Life Sentence is a joke, and they are out living among us after a few years inside. I think a minimum of 199 years minimum should do it!!!

ThomasC
Reply to  sweeny
2, August 2011 1:18 pm

People seem to assured that the justice system always gets things right. Also that things can be proven ‘beyond a shadow of a doubt’ but nothing can be 100% proven, as demonstrated again and again. Court procedures rely on ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ but the evidence regularly changes in cases such as these, which can create reasonable doubt. What do the proponents of the death penalty recommend in… Read more »

Polka Dot
Reply to  ThomasC
2, August 2011 2:17 pm

the system only works for the laws we have in place,..the death penalty would be a new law, one that will give the government the power to end a life. maybe even YOUR life, if reason can outweigh hard facts Reason can be twisted, and made to fit events. we’ve all seen this in recent years. with all the technology we have today, we go further than… Read more »

No.5
Reply to  sweeny
2, August 2011 2:22 pm

agreed totally we need a punishment system that is a punishment system for the worst offenders

Louis
2, August 2011 1:31 pm

Killing people is wrong. No death penalty.

Polka Dot
Reply to  Louis
2, August 2011 2:21 pm

I agree. Murder is murder, be it state sanctioned or a crime perpetrated by some whacko crazy nut job. i don’t know what the answer is either, but a jump back into the dark ages is not the answer. it didn’t work then, and its not going to work now. Bring back hard labour in hard prisons. where life really is life, and you lose all your… Read more »

Texlahoma
2, August 2011 2:16 pm

I’m always intrigued by the concept of ‘reasonable’ physical discipline of children. What can you use – a hand? A fist? A belt? A stick? How much force? Just enough to redden the skin? Or can you bruise or draw blood? What if a slap to redden the skin doesn’t work? Can you up the violence level until you get results? What age can you start? Teens?… Read more »

Paleo
Reply to  Texlahoma
3, August 2011 9:29 am

Parents who refuse to discipline their children obviously hate them

anon
2, August 2011 2:41 pm

Surely the happy medium would be that some crimes should receive a life sentence that genuinely means life, ie the criminals should die in prison, even if the crime is committed at a young age. This gives an entire lifetime of punishment, and an entire lifetime to appeal if wrongfully convicted. However, prison should mean prison, not day release, or computer games etc in your cell. Prisoners… Read more »

Loo Loo
2, August 2011 2:56 pm

Bringing the death penalty up for debate in Parliament these days is about as inspiring as a soggy sandwich. The death penalty is wrong and thankfully will never return. I think Andrew Turner is trying to get some headline out of this story. He knows it will not be re-introduced and is therefore wasting his time bringing it up when he could be trying to solve some… Read more »

Meursault
Reply to  Loo Loo
2, August 2011 9:00 pm

It seems all AT is good for now is a Daily Mail-esque soundbite.

naomi
2, August 2011 3:16 pm

The death penalty is hypocrisy! Surley you cannot resolve evil acts by carrying out your own. I do not believe that the death penalty will deter the the most vile criminals from doing what they do, sweeping another problem under the carpet?..look at the bigger picture.

Braveheart
2, August 2011 4:07 pm

Although I had very generous loving, caring and affectionate parents who allowed me much freedom to follow my own path through life with compassion in my heart. If when I was a youngster, I did anything wrong, I was answerable to my mother who ruled the home with a fist of iron and many a time my backside came into contact with hefty blows from her copper… Read more »

Loo Loo
Reply to  Braveheart
2, August 2011 4:34 pm

This is torture? Do you suggest we bring back this barbaric practice of the past?

EinsteinsGhost
Reply to  Braveheart
2, August 2011 4:49 pm

Braveheart – your strict upbringing may have not led to you committing evil acts, but by your medieval comments and outlook, it sure as hell led to something that board etiquette prevents me from posting.

Braveheart
Reply to  EinsteinsGhost
3, August 2011 2:09 pm

In reply to ‘Loo Loo’ and ‘EinsteinsGhost’: Firstly, may I please thank you both for sharing your honest thoughts about my comment with the other bloggers on here. As individuals we are all capable of making our own informed judgements be they impartial or otherwise about the actions of other members of our society. You each make assumptions that I lust for ‘Medieval Torture and Barbarism’ as… Read more »

Meursault
2, August 2011 4:19 pm

Nearly spat my coffee out whilst reading the headline.

It doesn’t work as a deterrent and is simply barbaric.

But makes a nice little soundbite I guess. For years politicians bang on about ‘getting tough on crime’ and yet little changes. Getting tough on the roots/causes of crime is where they should be focusing their energy, not pointless debates such as this.

Looby Loo
Reply to  Meursault
2, August 2011 4:37 pm

I could not get past entering details on the first page to vote on this.

Arthur
Reply to  Looby Loo
2, August 2011 5:47 pm

I too could not get past the first page.

Why not go the whole hog and have public be-headings?

What a thoroughly nasty lot Turner’s supporters must be.

Buford T Justice
2, August 2011 6:12 pm

To all the do gooders and hand wringers opposed to the death penalty, if VB allows me to post this DM link on a lovely character called Dean Cochrane, tell me why people like this are allowed to remain in existence? What good are they to society? Why should we pay for their keep in Prison? When he gets out, he can breed, vote, repeat offend. I… Read more »

Judge Judy
Reply to  Buford T Justice
3, August 2011 8:10 am

So now it’s the Death Penalty for assault? I thought it was just for murder now it is any crime, or more importantly the person, we don’t like!

Buford T Justice
Reply to  Judge Judy
3, August 2011 10:39 am

A bit dramatic aren’t you? I’m certainly suggesting ridding the country from the likes of the worthless scum in the above article, but there would also have to be a dramatic overhaul of the whole legal process, as idiots like him and other Chav scum are allowed to vote and sit on a Jury too, not withstanding how many times do we hear on appeal the fact… Read more »

zoiner
Reply to  Buford T Justice
5, August 2011 7:16 pm

Nothing wrong with the death penalty for any crime as long as you believe the criminal is sub-human and therefore has no rights. We could have it for double parking or MPs fiddling their expenses (there’s a vote-winner!), or just belonging to a religious group. The reality is we are trying to rid ourselves of those who do not conform to our society. Which is why we… Read more »

somuchmerde
Reply to  Buford T Justice
7, August 2011 11:20 am

and your definition of ‘Chav scum’ is ???

Steve
Reply to  Judge Judy
3, August 2011 11:22 am

Typical Daily Mail Reader !

Sailor Sam
Reply to  Buford T Justice
3, August 2011 11:44 am

Lets put it this way, if he had done that to a child of mine, he certainly WOULD be facing a death penalty.

Simon Haytack
2, August 2011 6:58 pm

Death is simply too good for some people. Let those who murder children live out their life in a prison cell. Apparently it’s actually a cheaper option than administering a leathal injection.

The fact it’s even being debated is such a step backwards. Sadly not a surprise from a Conservative politician, however. Punishing a murderer by doing exactly what they did to their victim would not work.

Don Smith
2, August 2011 7:45 pm

I am a firm believer in the death penalty for many horrendous crimes, especially against children. However, many innocent people would have been hanged since the death penalty was abolished. I know of at least twenty of those, I got to know many of them personally. The Maguire’s and the Birmingham six spring to mind, and not forgetting the many who served very long prison sentences, only… Read more »

mick
2, August 2011 8:09 pm

public hanging, be-headings have them once a week at st Thomas` square we can throw all our rotten fruit and veg at them in the stocks first make a great day out, also this would apply to all prisoners that would be a deterrent.

Matt
2, August 2011 9:17 pm

Oh dear Lord, please don’t debate this, it will only bring out the mad people. I respect Andrew for his belief, but we simply don’t have the legal system for this form of finality. To be fair, he has made his opinion clear on the death penalty in the past-but once it is passed for one class of prisoner it could easily be extended to others. As… Read more »

Don Smith
Reply to  Matt
2, August 2011 10:55 pm

You Christians have a great deal to answer for if you read your history books; just start from Henry the VIII. And you can take a look at the RC as well – They did a bit of butchery in their time. And has for the Arabs, say no more; just look at what is going on in Syria, Saudi Arabia and Somalia. May you Gods go… Read more »

Matt
2, August 2011 9:22 pm

Oh and by the way, as a student of morality and philosophy-it is wonderful to see mature and balanced debate on Ventnor Blog….once again! Lets keep it going chaps!!

(a thousand apologies for the double post)

John
3, August 2011 1:00 am

It is not always religion that is to blame.Evil and manipluating people can be religious or non religious.People are people in all their forms religious or not.

If you said people shopping at Tesco and Marks and Spencer are to blame for all the ills of the world but not Morrisons,you would rightly be told you are crazy!Same with blaming religions.

John
3, August 2011 1:21 am

I too would like to bring the death penalty back for child killers and serial killers,but who is going to do the killing? Can we morally say,you must die? If we had executioners,the state says you must kill this man or woman in the name of the people. However,we say this every day to unborn healthy children.That is even more of a crime as I see it… Read more »

Don Smith
Reply to  John
3, August 2011 7:22 pm

We have an army, of sorts – Firing squads are very effective. Cheap and very little mess to clear up.

Paul Miller
3, August 2011 5:39 am

Well I oppose any move towards the death penalty. It’s difficult to credit just how incredibly stupid someone in public life has to be prepared to raise this kind of question in the year 2011. The death penalty was finally abolished c.1969 after a long period of its restriction to fewer and fewer crimes. The final execution in Britain occurred simultaneously in Liverpool and Manchester at 8am… Read more »

Mr Justice
Reply to  Paul Miller
3, August 2011 9:39 am

Sorry Paul, I think both Alan & Evans deserved the sentence. They both went to do the crime, in law not just the person who actually commits the murder is guilty. As for your ‘methods are awful’ argument. Do you suppose Sarah Payne, Holly Wells, Jessica Chapman or Milly Dowler met a pleasant end? You can’t stomach execution – fine, don’t worry, no-one would ask you to… Read more »

No.5
Reply to  Mr Justice
3, August 2011 5:37 pm

oh pleae…what awful rhetoric..’loads of us willing’…utter tosh..you could no more push a button than pull a trigger to end a persons life…its just words.

Paul Miller
Reply to  Paul Miller
3, August 2011 4:12 pm

Why did either deserve to die? But, in particular the police found property of the victim in their possession [an engraved watch] whose death therefore resulted from ‘the course of a theft’. Under the Homicide Act of the time it as only the theft of that property which made the crime ‘capital’ since he was stabbed but not shot. So the victim’s life (as such) still counted… Read more »

Mike
3, August 2011 6:00 am

The death penalty brings society down tothe level of the criminal themselves. It’s not a proven deterrent in the countries where it is practised. The most frighting aspect is someones fate being decided by 12 people who have no insight or,and I know this to be true,find someone guilty because they don’t like the look of them or even worse reach a decision quickly so they can… Read more »

Mike Judge
3, August 2011 9:34 am

In the news today it is reported that repulsive killer, Levi Bellfield wants £30,000 in compensation, because another inmate attacked him. (Shame.)

Executing him would save us from all this nonsense?

lilly
3, August 2011 11:19 am

AT diverts attention away from the real issues. Same old dirty tactics of using an emotive issue to whip people up so that he gets enough support for this to go to parliament and be debated-pushed through policy. Lets have some alternative suggestions for debates in parliament that promote a civilised society, not a lynch mob attitude encouraged by AT and his Government to find a scape… Read more »

Loo Loo
3, August 2011 4:57 pm

Before debating the death penalty, Andrew Turner should go to a country and watch a live execution of the method he suggests should be used in the UK.

John
3, August 2011 6:32 pm

We would all love for the death penalty to be restored for really awful and evil crimes,when there is no doubt the person did the crime. However,all those who are saying they would support it need to realise they have to kill that person.Very different saying it from doing it and most normal people would be haunted by killing. Only ones who would not would be sick… Read more »

No.5
Reply to  John
3, August 2011 6:37 pm

in no circumstances would I support state murder…not on…we have no more right to take their life than they did in the first place.

Yes we need legal reform, yes we need life to mean life, yes we have to accept that at a given level of crime human sights are limited

No.5
Reply to  No.5
3, August 2011 6:38 pm

soory Human Rights

Ruth Ellis
4, August 2011 2:24 pm

I don’t think the death penalty would be supported as an option if the public at large felt that we had an effective legal system, a vigilant and productive police force and a penal system that was a clear deterrent. All three of these factors lead to understandable support for the death penalty. Prisoners should be undertaking hard labour in my humble opinion. Our streets should be… Read more »

watchdog
Reply to  Ruth Ellis
5, August 2011 9:08 pm

I don’t know what AT’s motive is in regurgitating this issue now – it just drags the State down to the level of the common criminal. Maybe his govt pals haven’t given him anything to do, and he wants to be noticed. Some of the suggestions above may have merit, but the national service one has been suggested before. All the service chiefs are against it –… Read more »

concerned mum
Reply to  Ruth Ellis
5, August 2011 9:09 pm

I think all of us are horrified at the decision to release one of ‘baby p’s’ killers/tormentors, and there will be another story next week of some other hideous person released or demanding recompense for some perceived misfortune and we will all wring our hands and dwell on the unfairness of it all. This is a completely separate debate-the death penalty is wrong and barbaric in a… Read more »

seb
5, August 2011 12:46 pm

i say – bring back the rope. i’d like to apply for the job of state executioner – that’d be a great, really fulfilling and enjoyable job. it’d be good fun also for all the prison staff involved in implementing a death penalty. thank goodness for catholic-convert ann widdecombe – i heard her on the radio harbouring a deep desire for the return of `topping sheds` to… Read more »

John
5, August 2011 7:37 pm

Looking at the comments in sites such as Yahoo about the death penalty-we have a lot of sick people around who would love a good hanging and flogging to spectate at every week.

While they are at it,why not bring back gladiators too-they would love the blood and gore.

John
5, August 2011 8:33 pm

I remember it was debated a while back in Parliament and two thirds or more of MPs voted against capital punishment coming back. Think it would be the same today-capital punishment is no longer PC I am afraid,even if the public would like it back for the most awful and evil crimes.

seb
6, August 2011 11:06 am

time for a sing-song methinks.

25 minutes to go – sung by johnny cash

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25_Minutes_to_Go

John
7, August 2011 12:37 pm

I would say that currently Mr Turner would do better to encourage an emergency debate on the state of the economy and the causes for its demise and putting it right.

Also, where is the Government spokesman to deal with London burning and the ecomic crisis while our emperor Nero/Cameron is fiddling in Italy!?

John
7, August 2011 3:09 pm

Could it be that Andrew had pressure put upon him (to raise the capital punishment issue) to divert attention from the Government lack of action on the economy and the social consequences of the cuts to services?

Call me a cynic,but with the rioting in London,this appears to be more and more a strong possibilty.