WTF: The Contents of _That_ Video (Update 2)

There’s a video circulating around the Isle of Wight. Apparently, its source tells us, it was shot on Friday night outside the Cowes Yacht Haven.

We’ve heard many stories about alleged events at the Friday night charity Valentine Ball, hosted by Isle of Wight Council chairman Cllr Arthur Taylor.

As we weren’t there, we’re not going to dwell on them, as those reports are second-hand, no matter how reliable the witnesses.

What we have seen is the video.

We’ve watched this video many, many times over. We’ve listened to it over again without the watching the video – through speakers and headphones. We considered if it’s a hoax or a setup.

Update: The video has appeared on YouTube

The voice of David Pugh
We’ve been in enough Isle of Wight council meetings to recognise the voice of the Leader of Isle of Wight, David Pugh. At the start of the video, we’ve heard David Pugh’s voice talking to a lady who we can’t identify.

Asked if he’s alright, he replies with what sounds like, “Yeah … Carole’s just in there.”

The Carole in question is the partner of the Island MP, Andrew Turner, who was, we understand, offering to give a lift home to the person Cllr Pugh was with.

The next sound is an explosive voice, shouting, “Carole, you F***ing leave us alone!” Some other words are spoken with the voices over each other by the woman – we assume is “Carole” – with the male voice ending with, “… you’ve crossed the line.”

No Comment
We phoned David Pugh’s mobile phone Tuesday before mid-day and left a voice mail asking for a comment. We also sent him a text yesterday afternoon. We’ve heard nothing back.

Update: At 9.47am this morning (Thursday) we received the following statement from Cllr Pugh

Having departed from a charity fundraising event, there was an upsetting situation outside, and I directed a comment at the MP’s parliamentary assistant. My girlfriend and I removed ourselves from the situation as quickly as possible and left together. I regret using language which I would not normally use in public.

We called Carole on Monday and she chose not to speak on the record about the event.

Before 9am yesterday morning we sent an email to the Comms department of the IWC requesting a comment. It took them all day, until 5:27pm, to get back to us with “The Council only comments on matters relating to the public role of members and/or officers. We are unable to comment therefore on what we understand was a private matter that took place after the event.”

Image: Every Spoon under CC BY-SA 2.0

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Rush
18, February 2010 6:44 am

I expect those vulnerable people who you will effect by cuts would like to say that to you but they are more polite and this time mate you have crossed the line.

islebeseeingyou
18, February 2010 7:53 am

Comms dept are wrong in their stance. David Pugh was at the event in an official capacity, no matter what happened at the end of the event. He was representing the Council and should not have got himself into this situation. If this stance is being taken by communications perhaps they or Mr Pugh can tell us why he allegedly brought up issues about other councillors’ that… Read more »

Andy
Reply to  islebeseeingyou
18, February 2010 9:00 am
Fire
Reply to  Andy
18, February 2010 9:05 am

Finally, but only once they had an apology from the boy Pugh diffuse it. Highly predictable.

John
Reply to  Fire
18, February 2010 9:37 am

I think you are being a bit unkind there – in any story journalists should not writing potentially negative stories about someone without asking for a response from the person in question. VB also asked for a comment but they didn’t get one. The more interesting question is that they had the response on Monday but didn’t put it on the website until Thursday (presumably as an… Read more »

Meursault
Reply to  John
18, February 2010 11:53 am

This story broke on monday and probably peaked yesterday, as a result the only news source running the story (VB) picked up the frenzy of online traffic. Its already starting to feel like yesterdays chip paper and as a result the CP has missed the boat. There is actually not much to the story, brief exchange of strong words, but goes to show that if you don’t… Read more »

Tricia
Reply to  John
18, February 2010 12:54 pm

To those thinking this story has peaked and is old news, you’ve got to be joking!!!!! Pugh saying he regretted using language he wouldn’t normally use in public isn’t good enough. Where is his apology? He’s leader of the isle of wight council – he should NOT be shouting expletives at other people in a public place. He should resign for his bad behaviour and do it… Read more »

Barry D
Reply to  Andy
18, February 2010 9:56 am

I guess your tweet last night from the meeting at riverside holds true today. how can CP report that “at one point telling Ms Dennett to “f****** well leave us alone,” when what we hear from you is that “The next sound is an explosive voice, shouting, “Carole, you F***ing leave us alone!” In my book, shouting and telling are quite different things, especially in a public… Read more »

amphion
Reply to  islebeseeingyou
18, February 2010 9:47 am

Absolutly right he could not wait to condem other councillors on moral grounds nor to remove them from any position of responsibility immediately. Will he now be stepping down,will the tory councillors or tory voters bury their heads in the sand again. Is it correct the poor girl in question has been told not to comment as she may lose her job, how low can this boy… Read more »

Rush
18, February 2010 9:45 am

First Mark Chiverton apology.Second apology for his behaviour.Waiting for the third the apology to be given to the vulnerable people of the Island for the fear given to them by him through his proposed budget cuts,

Muso-activator
Reply to  Rush
18, February 2010 9:50 am

I’d like him to apologise to the staff of Shanklin & Ryde theatres aswell for wasting 3 years of their hard efforts, maybe Asa Singleton’s family for making them wait days to see if they could hold a wake at the theatre. He’s a PR catastrophe, a liability to his peers with little intuition on common-decency.

Rush
18, February 2010 10:18 am

Now I.O.W RADIO NEWS

Adam
18, February 2010 11:31 am

Sal and Simon – if you have the ability to do one, a poll would be great to see what people think DP should do.

Mat
Reply to  Adam
18, February 2010 11:40 am

Does anyone know what the “upsetting situation” outside was about? I’m terribly confused. Any chance you can post the video so we can draw our own conclusions?

Mr T
18, February 2010 12:14 pm

I’m not sure Mr Pugh has grasped the fact that this story isn’t just going to go away, and that it wouldn’t have gained such momentum had he not taken the moral high ground on previous occasions to remove opponents/manoeuvre himself politically. I don’t think this story has peaked at all. It has much wider ramifications for the Island’s current MP. Maybe they were all drunk on… Read more »

islebeseeingyou
Reply to  Mr T
18, February 2010 1:26 pm

David Pugh has not grasped the seriousness of the situation. His “apology” is nothing of the sort, it is an insult. Firstly I was always told that if you believe you have done nothing wrong don’t say sorry, say you regret. Secondly Ms Dennett was not as the functions as the MP’s parliamentary assistant, she was in attendance as the MP’s partner and as such should be… Read more »

Anna
Reply to  islebeseeingyou
18, February 2010 1:52 pm

Glad you said that – I was reading the statement and thinking how half hearted it was. The MP’s partner is referred to as his “Parliamentary Assistant” – that seems like a calculated insult and as for him referring to “my girlfriend”. Hmm. I understand that this is somewhat of an exaggeration. Typical mealy mouthed, bending the truth Pugh.

Wightwatcher
Reply to  Anna
22, February 2010 9:17 pm

Presumably he called her by her job title because he understood he was on duty. Calculated insult could backfire on Pughnoccio I think.

Norman
Reply to  islebeseeingyou
18, February 2010 2:35 pm

The girl was clearly distressed, she was crying and it was loud, she was being put into a car by our MP’s partner, when Cllr Pugh came out and started the abuse. The language was foul. A lot more happened than the CP is reporting.

Davey Jones
Reply to  Mr T
19, February 2010 3:17 pm

Oh come on..his girlfriend did send a rather daft email as a joke but, lets face facts here. Unlike other MPs, he didn’t claim 400 quid a month on “food” or 250 quid a month for “petty cash”.They didn’t put any receipts in for “booze”…

Curious of Shanklin
Reply to  Davey Jones
19, February 2010 3:26 pm

Are you saying it’s partly her fault? That’s a bit harsh isn’t it?

Slim and happy once in the 70's
18, February 2010 12:32 pm

This matter will sadly have run it’s course if no one reports it to the standards board. I have reported Pugh once and even though my position was understood completely by the board the “Ken Livingstone” judgment allows Pugh and others like him to cry “off duty” when controversy rears its ugly head. He will say the same here. Not because it’s true, not because of what… Read more »

Muso-activator
18, February 2010 12:51 pm

I think it will be hard to recover from this. More people than ever will now be awake to what’s been going on and he will feel that resentment from many angles on many levels. Time to get the popcorn, put the feet up and watch the show! lol

inside eyes
Reply to  Muso-activator
18, February 2010 12:56 pm

where are you going to watch the show? He has closed most of the theatres

Muso-activator
Reply to  inside eyes
18, February 2010 1:18 pm

lol….I mean here Inside eyes. Don’t get me started on the theatres…lol ;)

Mephistopheles
Reply to  Muso-activator
18, February 2010 1:34 pm

Tootling on a Cornet at Rylstone Gardens Shanklin, on the Council owned Bandstand in the summer months. That’s where you can watch his show. And as his band room is a few yards away in the Council owned Chalet, you can probably do so without fear of it ever being closed under his budget cuts.

Rush
Reply to  Mephistopheles
18, February 2010 1:49 pm

Lets hope he will be able to dedicate more time to it.

Insaltery trombone
Reply to  Mephistopheles
18, February 2010 3:00 pm

Yes the “Leaders” hobby brass band is like the yacht haven mess commented on here, unfair. A council subsidies band room (Rylstone Chalet), no rent from the band for over 7 years & no other community group allowed to use it. Pugh does what he likes……….because he can. It is the Tory group and those who witnessed the event who have the power to deal him, not… Read more »

Rush
Reply to  Insaltery trombone
18, February 2010 3:06 pm

Should Pugh stand down as Leader?

Adam
Reply to  Insaltery trombone
18, February 2010 3:07 pm

Be fair please – DP was not a councillor back in 2001 when the Chalet’s lease was arranged.

Insaltery trombone
Reply to  Adam
18, February 2010 3:15 pm

Didn’t say he was. After 7 years pay rent then there is no double standars. Lease a year out of date I hear…..

Adam
Reply to  Adam
18, February 2010 3:17 pm

Quick search of IWight.com shows that they have a 10 year lease, which will run out end of 2011/start of 2012.

Insaltery Trombone
Reply to  Adam
18, February 2010 3:37 pm

Thank you Adam, didn’t know that x Still think a rent is due in current big £ cuts by council :-)

Adam
Reply to  Adam
18, February 2010 3:39 pm

No problem. They may be paying rent now, as their nominal rent period of 5 years is over.

Getting Crosser
Reply to  Adam
18, February 2010 3:44 pm

The original lease was for 7 years from 1/4/02, it expired on 31/3/09 and has not been renewed. Therefore there is no rent being paid for Rylstone Chalet still and Shanklin Town Brass band are spending their money on themselves not on doing the chalet up as they agreed to. Virtually all the work done to date has been done with public money. If anyone knows differently… Read more »

Insaltery Trombone.... again
Reply to  Adam
18, February 2010 3:48 pm

Indeed, just that a friend of mine is having real problems getting a copy of the lease to check that out. Been waiting over a year sadly. Music hot topic at the mo with massive cuts to the music service pending, so lots what to know all the facts of the chalet. Guess we just don’t trust the council not to give Dave’s hobby priority, that’s all… Read more »

Grrrr.....woof
Reply to  Insaltery trombone
18, February 2010 3:52 pm

Council has paid over £8000 to “buy” the scaffolding around Dave’s band room.
And when I say council people I mean…..us the tax paying people

Getting Crosser
Reply to  Insaltery trombone
18, February 2010 3:57 pm

You make some good popints Insaltery. All the other amateur bands on the Island hjave to pay their way.

Rush
Reply to  Getting Crosser
18, February 2010 4:06 pm

Are you saying,The Council Taxpayers are paying for this?

Getting Crosser
Reply to  Getting Crosser
18, February 2010 4:12 pm

It is a combination of council tax payers'(because no rent is being paid) and grants (ie tax payers’ money). I believe that Shanklin Town Brass band pay some rates (reduced by 80% as is nusual for that type of set-up).

Getting Crosser
Reply to  Getting Crosser
18, February 2010 6:17 pm

That is absolute codswallop No 5 and I am sure you know as much. The only explanation I can think of is that you must be a band groupie trying to mount a defence against the undefendable.

No.5
Reply to  Insaltery trombone
18, February 2010 6:08 pm

WRONG The band stand and house are rented as a package by the brass band and has done since before DP’s time.

Majority of funds come from the Rotary club and the Brass band as ‘tenants’ allow others to use it.

Getting Crosser
Reply to  No.5
18, February 2010 6:19 pm

Please see my comment above No 5’s, I put it in the wrong place in error (we all make mistakes don’t we?).

No.5
Reply to  No.5
18, February 2010 8:17 pm

Is it..

Well you are entitled to your opinion..even if it is wrong

Getting Crosser
Reply to  No.5
18, February 2010 9:06 pm

No 5,the facts speak for themselves, it’s not a matter of opinion but of reality.

Trophy Cabinet
Reply to  No.5
18, February 2010 10:13 pm

Well, well Number 5 you have got your knickers in a twist The Rylstone Bandstand is council owned (parks and gardens) and the lease is not, as far as I know, held by Shanklin Band nor has it ever been. The chalet is delegated to the band on the understanding they “do it up” Anyone looking at the outside of the building (past the £8000 council bought… Read more »

No.5
Reply to  No.5
19, February 2010 4:24 pm

well I saw at least three bands there last year

islebeseeingyou
Reply to  No.5
19, February 2010 7:47 pm

If you want a copy of the lease you ask for it under the FOI Act stating they have four working weeks to respond. All details are on the IWC website.

Norman
Reply to  Muso-activator
19, February 2010 5:04 pm

Cllr Pugh will show no remorse and never will he was seen laughing and joking with other conservative members over a copy of the gazette at a group meeting this afternoon.

It's not big and it's not clever
Reply to  Norman
19, February 2010 5:27 pm

So No.5 you have seen at least three bands at Rylstone last year, therefore Shanklin Band own the lease? That’s nice. I saw Elvis on a bus heading to Ryde once and if you screw your eyes up real tight when looking at the JFK conspiracy photographs, the shadow figure on the grassy knoll looks awfully like Pugh…..any way, if the bands you saw were Island bands,… Read more »

No.5
Reply to  It's not big and it's not clever
19, February 2010 6:17 pm

firstly..I said the band rent the house (to get changed and practice)and bandstand, not that they own the lease…you are mixing me up with someone else. secondly I have seen Island bands there, who probably rent it in the same manner (this was in answer to someone who said that the band owned the lease and never let anybody else play there. so, I might be a… Read more »

Rush
Reply to  No.5
19, February 2010 6:27 pm

This shows Pughs character, this time it was out in a public place.

Getting Crosser
Reply to  No.5
19, February 2010 7:04 pm

I think perhaps some kind soul should sit you down No 5 and explain the difference between renting and hiring. You have obviously got yourself in a bit of a pickle about this. Shanklin Town Brass band have/had a ‘repairing’ lease on the Chalet (THE HOUSE), they have been allowed to stay there, still paying no rent since the lease expired last March (as far as I… Read more »

Rush
Reply to  Norman
19, February 2010 6:13 pm

Do you think they lent a hand in editing?

Rush
Reply to  Rush
19, February 2010 6:18 pm

The Gazette,Norman

Norman
Reply to  Rush
19, February 2010 6:49 pm

Yes Rush, the gazette, having a right giggle!!!

Rush
Reply to  Rush
19, February 2010 6:59 pm

They should spare a thought about the girl in the photo in the County Press.

No.5
Reply to  Norman
19, February 2010 7:14 pm

I think someone should explain to you the difference between renting and leasing.

But don’t worry, didn’t expect you to aplogise, but really as we are saying the same thing again and again..and the person who was querying all this was not me, I’ll take the length of your post and its lack of content as ‘humble pie.

Getting Crosser
Reply to  No.5
19, February 2010 7:18 pm

Oh dear No 5. I know what I am talking about but I get the feeling that you are struggling. No need for apologies, I am always happy to help. Conversely, I am always ready to admit it when I don’t know or understand something, are you?

No.5
Reply to  Getting Crosser
19, February 2010 7:20 pm

of course…I’m stuggling to understand why people are so intent on adding to this subject, whilst plans for a cut in budget affecting hundred of people are seemingly sidelined.

Rush
Reply to  Getting Crosser
19, February 2010 7:32 pm

Because it is all about a lack of money, extra revenue can be raised here.

Hungry eyes, hungry ears
Reply to  Getting Crosser
19, February 2010 7:33 pm

The reason why this subject evokes interest is that, at a time of swingeing cuts in Council spending affecting many of those least able to protect themselves (including the provision of music facilities for young people across the Island), the premises enjoyed by Mr Pugh’s Band (which he still chair for some considerable time) are still enjoyed rent-free by that band a full year after a new… Read more »

Getting Crosser
Reply to  Getting Crosser
19, February 2010 7:48 pm

It’s understandable that you are upset over the budget cuts, many people are, including me. The point is that this thread is about David Pugh’s nasty habits and lack of accountability, although it has meandered about a bit (understatement). The place to comment on the budget cuts themselves is under the piece which is specifically about the cuts. The problem is that, as Hungry Eyes,hungry ears has… Read more »

N0.5
18, February 2010 1:41 pm

Although I am no fan of DP, I think all this is vastly over the top. I’m more concerned about his (in)ability to do his job than what he does or does not do on a Friday night. I’ve seen doctors, nurses and dentists out on the lash on a weekend behaving similaly and thats no big deal All it does prove is that he is not… Read more »

Gripper
Reply to  N0.5
18, February 2010 1:43 pm

perhaps you might feel differently if you saw the video – it is not the behaviour expected of a leader

Rush
Reply to  Gripper
18, February 2010 1:56 pm

We are waiting.

Andy
Reply to  Rush
18, February 2010 2:53 pm

We are waiting… for someone to post this on YouTube

No.5
Reply to  Gripper
18, February 2010 3:08 pm

I hav’nt seen the video.

But this has degenerated into people revelling in the moment.

I would rather he was removed for his council mis-managenment than by a whipping party over some social mis-demenour

Wightwatcher
Reply to  No.5
22, February 2010 9:20 pm

As long as he goes who cares what it is for! Time to call it a day PooBoy

islebeseeingyou
Reply to  N0.5
18, February 2010 1:44 pm

Yes but they are not at official functions in an official capacity. You are right about his inability though.

Shanky1
18, February 2010 2:26 pm

Wow, I have only been on the Island for a few years and to my detriment not taken much interest in local politics…. As far as I can tell a 29 year old, living with mum and dad and getting regular subsistance allowance from the govt gets a bit rowdy… The only shocking things there is that there is no mention of how much Diamond White was… Read more »

Mo
18, February 2010 2:30 pm

The part of this story that most relates to his lack of judgement is surely that he took a woman on a first date to an official function and pre booked them a room for the night. As it’s been reported that the woman was ‘tired and emotional’ saying ‘I want to go home to my Mum,’ to anyone within earshot, we have to assume Miss Dennit… Read more »

Ravenswood
Reply to  Mo
18, February 2010 3:11 pm

We need to move away from the current culture of spin, deceit, hand wringing and payoff’s for incompetence and start to insist that anyone in public office is at all times fully accountable and whiter than white. They must also be severely punished when they mess up. Zero tolerance. They are our servants, nothing more, nothing less. Whilst it troubles me that the good people of Shanklin… Read more »

No.5
Reply to  Ravenswood
18, February 2010 3:16 pm

why should they be whiter than white in their personal life….they can do what they like as long as its legal.

This whole affair hangs on one person making a complaint..and if she’s not bothered, then I’m not

Robbo
Reply to  No.5
18, February 2010 3:24 pm

Can’t the Ethical Standards Committee not just look into it anyway, without having to have a formal referral ? Clearly something needs to be done. If nothing else just to shut this down and get back to the matter you are all being defelected from – the disgraceful cuts the Tories will be pushing though Council next week.

Rush
Reply to  Robbo
18, February 2010 3:39 pm

So if Pugh is acting like this,could he be stressed out?.Are you confident people of the Isle of Wight he is going to make the right decisions?.

Getting Crosser
Reply to  Robbo
18, February 2010 4:54 pm

Try telling that to the young lady in question and to Ms Dennett who was the butt of the bad language.

parp
Reply to  No.5
18, February 2010 3:30 pm

How do you know “she” isn’t “bothered”? Just because she may choose not to officially complain doesn’t mean she isn’t “bothered” (she apparently works for the council…… so enough said) This country is planned thick with law so you are accountable by that law. According to you No.5 waiting for the “victim” (if indeed she was this) to complain allows the law to be abused. What if… Read more »

Gripper
Reply to  parp
18, February 2010 3:44 pm

anybody who saw it can complain, not just the woman he shouted at (Carole Dennett).

it was an official function and he was there as leader of the council, not some bloke out for the night on a date.

No.5
Reply to  parp
18, February 2010 4:50 pm

Do stop trying to turn a molehill into a mountain..it really is nothing to get upset about.

No.5
Reply to  parp
18, February 2010 4:59 pm

I’ll wait to the hysteria has died down and either or both (or neither) make a complaint..until then its just tittle tattle and gossip.

It is far more important what this council (not this man) are up to. Shame so many people don’t jump up and down when actions he should be held accountable for published

Getting Crosser
Reply to  parp
18, February 2010 5:05 pm

You can go to council meetings and ask questions (might not get you very far). I’m sure that Mr Wortham would appreciate some back-up.

JC
Reply to  No.5
18, February 2010 3:51 pm

My kids are told they represent their school outside of school hours and are expected to behave correctly, why should this be any different for DP or any of the other elected council staff?

I don’t want someone like this running our council – he’s making important decisions such as the educational future of my children, and the fella can’t even control his temper in public!

No.5
Reply to  JC
18, February 2010 5:16 pm

are you saying its fine to have 300 + posts about what your kids do after school without any complaints being made?

Getting Crosser
Reply to  JC
18, February 2010 5:22 pm

David Pugh is not a child!!!

No.5
Reply to  JC
18, February 2010 6:12 pm

I think you miss the point

Rush
Reply to  JC
18, February 2010 6:25 pm

Pugh is The Council Leader and was in a public place.

JC
Reply to  JC
19, February 2010 10:00 am

If my kids get caught misbehaving, they know they will receive a measured punishment.

If you swear at somone in town on a Friday or Saturday night, you can expect the Police to get involved.

Should our elected representatives be treated differently?

Getting Crosser
18, February 2010 3:46 pm

Adam, you seem to have found evidence of a 10 year lease on iwight.com. Where exactly did you find it?

Adam
Reply to  Getting Crosser
18, February 2010 4:03 pm

Rylestone Chalet:

For scaffolding, it has to have been there a good year plus and no work to date.

Getting Crosser
Reply to  Adam
18, February 2010 4:07 pm

You are looking at the paper for discussion, not the decision notice.

Adam
Reply to  Getting Crosser
18, February 2010 4:11 pm
Getting Crosser
Reply to  Adam
18, February 2010 4:15 pm

I have a copy of the original lease, it is for 7 years and has expired.

Adam
Reply to  Adam
18, February 2010 4:18 pm

Odd that there is no record of it being 7 years on IWight – shouldn’t the decision been made in the same way the 10 year decision was?

Getting Crosser
Reply to  Adam
18, February 2010 4:14 pm

The scaffolding has been there for around 2 years and it was purchased by the Isle of Wight Council.

Rush
Reply to  Getting Crosser
18, February 2010 4:23 pm

Money that could be going to help the vulnerable.

Getting Crosser
18, February 2010 4:22 pm

I can’t see where you are getting 10 years from Adam. Believe me, it’s 7 years and it has expired.

Adam
Reply to  Getting Crosser
18, February 2010 4:25 pm

I believe you – I was going on what I have read previously.

It says it under The Proposal on this pic [http://www.iwight.com/council/committees/Mod-Executive/18-12-01/ryl03.gif], which was from Paper B4 (first link I posted)

Rush
Reply to  Adam
18, February 2010 4:31 pm

The whole thing, is such a mess.Dave.

Mr T
18, February 2010 4:31 pm

It’s off topic, but who owns the company the council lease scaffolding off exactly? They must make an absolute fortune because most of the time it seems to get left up for ages with the work undone.

Getting Crosser
Reply to  Mr T
18, February 2010 4:46 pm

The council have bought it, as Grr…woof said earlier.

Mr T
Reply to  Getting Crosser
18, February 2010 4:57 pm

I meant in general – not just in relation to the practise chalet. Is there one scaffolding provider who won a contract, or is it competitively sourced each time? It seems to be a very common practise for the council to have scaffolding put up around buildings and for it to sit there (presumably costing the tax payer money?) for considerable periods of time. Off topic as… Read more »

Getting Crosser
18, February 2010 5:01 pm

You can ask the council this question under the Freedom of Information Act.

Mr T
18, February 2010 5:23 pm

Will do. Be interesting to see what the Tories do (or don’t do) about all this now. Hardly Pugh’s first controversy: ‘VOTE RIGGING’ ROW ROCKS YOUNG TORIES : – Daily Mirror, 11/9/03 The Tory party’s youth wing is in crisis after allegations of vote rigging led to chaos at its conference. Eight candidates for top posts resigned as outraged rivals called each other “cheating bastards” on stage.… Read more »

Room service
18, February 2010 5:42 pm

I think you are all being very unkind to Mr Pugh. I’m going to invite him to my next function. Two tickets: one for him and one for his “girl friend”……..informal dress applies ;-)

Rush
Reply to  Room service
18, February 2010 6:39 pm

Mr Pugh is being very unkind to the vulnerable people of this island.Will they get an invite to your next function?

Hazel wyld
Reply to  Room service
18, February 2010 6:53 pm

Sadly this “Mountain out of a molehill” is now in public domain so is bound to be commented on. Young men and their girlfriends who drink too much often behave badly, the only real concern is as leader of the council one does expect some maturity or else how can they make important decisions? Maybe the truth is that with age comes a degree of commonsense and… Read more »

Getting Crosser
18, February 2010 6:42 pm

Isn’t satire wonderful?

basketballjones
18, February 2010 6:49 pm

£11 million…Pugh and Beynon should both have already gone, without this.

Someone put it on youtube or post a link to it elsewhere, as he obviously hasn’t the honour to resign perhaps we have to rely on embarrassing him in to it!

Shobba
18, February 2010 6:49 pm

I’m glad the County Press finally caught up with VB on this great story. Mrs Dennett, the victim of this yobbo outburst has to make a complaint. It sounds like she was simply attempting to aid a tired and emotional woman when Mr Pugh gave her his verbal bashing. I wonder how much pressure the Tories and council press office have put on her to stay quiet?… Read more »

Rush
Reply to  Shobba
18, February 2010 7:02 pm

Will the Chief Exec expect her to take it out of her annual leave?.

Mr S
18, February 2010 6:59 pm

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spannerintheworks
18, February 2010 9:19 pm

I’m appalled by Cllr Pugh’s comments regarding this issue…….”language I would not normally use in public”. So, in effect, he uses this kind of language in private and although he doesn’t use it in public normally, he does use it!! Just the sort of character that the Island doesn’t need. To comply with his own morale high ground stance can he do the decent thing and resign.… Read more »

Kerri Trickey
18, February 2010 9:23 pm

Calm down everyone. All he said was the dreaded F word, it’s hardly worth all this hysteria. And he didn’t call her any nasty name or insult her – I am quite sure Carole wouldn’t waste anyones time complaining about this. If everybody who had ever heard the word “f***ing” made a formal complaint, well it would just be beyond ridiculous. The fact he is the Council… Read more »

Rush
Reply to  Kerri Trickey
18, February 2010 9:33 pm

The fact is Pugh is The Council Leader!

jackie
18, February 2010 9:32 pm

Councillors get taken to the Standards Board for far less than saying the f word. What worries me more was his treatment of his girlfriend. Carole must have had a reason to have offered her a lift home, so why was she then taken back into the hall by DP. If anyone knows the identity of the girlfriend, please check that she is ok.

Norman
Reply to  jackie
19, February 2010 7:43 am

She said she wanted to go home to her Mum, Carole was doing the decent thing and giving her a lift, Cllr Pugh was not leaving at that time. The young girl was clearly distressed and distraught, the police should investigate that this girl is okay. Cllr Pugh is Leader of the IOW and whether on duty or not should behave accordingly, I belive anybody that says… Read more »

Kerri Trickey
18, February 2010 9:35 pm

Well, if someone is made to stand down for saying “f***ing”, then I don’t think there are very many people in the entire country who could fill the vacancy.

He who is without sin cast the first stone and all that..

Rush
Reply to  Kerri Trickey
18, February 2010 9:44 pm

I hope Pugh remembers that.You could remind him?

Anna
Reply to  Kerri Trickey
18, February 2010 9:47 pm

It’s not the word – as you say there would be plenty of people in the dock for that one – it’s the context. Swearing AT someone is very different to just swearing in general – and there is no doubt that this woman was very unhappy and he was adding to her distress by trying to stop her leaving even though she wanted to (it seems… Read more »

S B
Reply to  Anna
18, February 2010 10:02 pm

Yes, such events are always included in the chairman’s report to full council – clearly council business. I wonder what Aurthur’s report will be next week?

islebeseeingyou
Reply to  S B
19, February 2010 7:45 am

Knowing Arthur I expect he will say “we had a very nice time at my ball”. It appears to have been a pretty good bash with Dona Ratcliff, Andrew Turner’s agent falling down and being taken to hospital. I understand is was a tragic accident and not the booze, so poor old Dave was not the only incident of the night. I hope I get an invite… Read more »

jackie
18, February 2010 9:54 pm

Yes Anna I agree, I’ve also picked up that this girl was distressed and it leads me to have concerns. I repeat, if anyone knows who she is, please check that she’s ok.

Rush
Reply to  jackie
18, February 2010 10:07 pm

Unfortunate situation that she has been put in.Dave you did not handle this very well.

Mr T
18, February 2010 10:14 pm

I wonder if this bloke still thinks DP is a ‘cheating bastard’?

http://en-gb.facebook.com/andrejpwalker

Rush
Reply to  Mr T
18, February 2010 10:19 pm

Do you think Pugh is on his friends list?

Getting Crosser
Reply to  Mr T
19, February 2010 7:23 am

Send him a message and ask him through the link you provided Mr T. Perhaps he will give you the answer you seek.

Muso-activator
Reply to  Mr T
20, February 2010 9:52 am

Why not befriend David on facebook itself http://www.facebook.com/davidpughiw?ref=search&sid=771775252.117159135..1

He’s a friend of Isle of Wight Radio, Isle of Wight tourism for a start so any posts in those groups he is sure to read. :)He also is a member of a facebook conservative group so there is more opportunities there. ;)

Muso-activator
Reply to  Muso-activator
20, February 2010 10:24 am

I have managed to link VB’s story to the facebook conservative page. Hahaha….the only way I would ever befriend such a site is to inform his Tory peers of the sterling work he is doing for the tory vote on the Island. http://www.facebook.com/conservatives?ref=sgm&v=wall

Muso-activator
Reply to  Muso-activator
20, February 2010 10:33 am

I’ll give him comms department for a million. It’s amazing what publicity you can generate for free. ;)

Rush
19, February 2010 7:24 am

IOW COUNTY PRESS page3 photo?

islebeseeingyou
Reply to  Rush
19, February 2010 8:32 am

Personally I think the County Press should have written the piece but not published the photo of Rachel. How do they consider this is going to make her (and her family) feel. I certainly would not wish to return to work in County Hall after this. Perhaps Andrew Turner can offer her a job, or the Editor of the Gazette. This is David’s mess, not hers. I… Read more »

Barry D
Reply to  islebeseeingyou
19, February 2010 9:34 am

I agree with you. How low of the CP to publish the photo and name the poor girl. She is an innocent party in this row. That’s the final nail in the coffin for the CP as far as I am concerned. I will never buy the paper again.

Punchinello
Reply to  Barry D
19, February 2010 10:27 am

I disagree, this girl looks from the photo in the CP to be old enough to make rational decisions. She was on a date with big Dave “the leader” and would be rubbing shoulders with his mates and everyone else who was great and good at a black tie bash, plus would have known that she would be photographed and paraded around in the papers as his… Read more »

Rush
19, February 2010 8:58 am

Pugh you go from one blunder to another.

Shobba
19, February 2010 9:48 am

I’d bet the poor woman wished she had never accepted Dave’s kind offer of a new frock, a posh Ball and a night in a swish hotel. I think the CP were being very calculated in publishing the picture today. Having already been told or offered this week ‘at home’ by Beynon, I wonder how she will feel about returning to her job in County Hall next… Read more »

Rush
Reply to  Shobba
19, February 2010 9:59 am

Do Island Conservatives really want this publicity?

Rush
Reply to  Rush
19, February 2010 10:01 am

A real vote winner!

Rush
Reply to  Rush
19, February 2010 10:25 am

Local Conservatives it will soon be time to go knocking on doors do you really want to be confronted by this.

islebeseeingyou
Reply to  Shobba
19, February 2010 10:03 am

Shobba, One thought here, Mr Benyon “offered” her a week at home, if it was on full pay then this matter is a council issue. What other employer would give someone time off on full pay because of a boyfriends disgraceful behaviour. Come on comm’s dept now is the time for you to comment. This is a misuse of public funds and Pugh is accountable, and so… Read more »

amphion
Reply to  Shobba
19, February 2010 12:54 pm

swish hotel, the Fountain, nice but not swish
Dave really knows how to impress a girl

Man inside County Hall
19, February 2010 10:36 am

This gets (still) worse. Apparently despite clear video evidence that Ms Dennett was simply attempting to help a woman in distress – one senior Tory councillor has sent an email blaming her, not Dave P, for the disgraceful language and behaviour. Unfortunately (and bear in mind Dave and the council insist this isn’t a council matter) the confused old Tory copied his email to dozens of council… Read more »

SJL436
Reply to  Man inside County Hall
20, February 2010 11:14 am

Whilst the video may show Ms Dennett being supportive, it does not show what went on inside the venue.

jackie
19, February 2010 10:57 am

I’m sure we can all guess who the ‘confused old Tory’ is…. How much worse do matters on the Island have to get before it totally implodes. First we had the schools fiasco, which I’m sure will get worse come September, then we had Vestas, then we had the budget and now this. Do we really have to wait until the next Council elections before we can… Read more »

Rush
Reply to  jackie
19, February 2010 11:06 am

Someone in a panic?

Clare Mosdell
19, February 2010 12:55 pm

Why Why Why has Pugh not yet been suspended until further investigation – having seen and heard the video this should definately happen with immediate effect. Should not the following questions be asked. 1. Why was the girl in question distressed (although thanks to CP everyone now knows who she is). 2. If she wanted to go home why did Pugh not do the honourable thing and… Read more »

Rush
Reply to  Clare Mosdell
19, February 2010 1:02 pm

This should happen now!

No.5
Reply to  Clare Mosdell
19, February 2010 1:58 pm

This has become a witchhunt with ever wilder and bolder statements

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You should be ashamed of yourselves…

Rush
Reply to  No.5
19, February 2010 2:14 pm

No.5 Did you get it wrong yesterday,about Rylstone?

Curious of Shanklin
Reply to  Rush
19, February 2010 2:34 pm

He/she did get it wrong by the looks of it. What goes around, comes around, it may sound corny but it’s true, as DP is finding out. Another well worn, but apt, quote which David should bear in mind in his dealings with people is.. “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. Who can come up with some more? There must some in… Read more »

Rush
Reply to  Curious of Shanklin
19, February 2010 2:41 pm

“My Kingdom for a Horse”

Curious of Shanklin
Reply to  Curious of Shanklin
19, February 2010 2:43 pm

Huh???

Rush
Reply to  Curious of Shanklin
19, February 2010 2:47 pm

Shakespeare!

No.5
Reply to  Rush
20, February 2010 10:42 am

Nope…just arguing the same point from different direction and people mixing up lease/hire and rent.

My comments have been confirmed by a local councillor..how people mis-interpret them is their problem…but I would conceed that my posts weren’t concise enough and open to mis-interpretation

Clare
Reply to  No.5
19, February 2010 2:55 pm

This is not a witch hunt just asking the Clr to be suspended and be dealt with and questions asked of him as he would expect to ask of others after bringing such embarrasement to the Council. ANYONE ELSE would have been suspended by now pending investigation and this would have been actioned by Pugh himself. Is he untouchable ??

Curious of Shanklin
Reply to  Clare
19, February 2010 3:05 pm

How about “Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive”?

jackie
Reply to  Curious of Shanklin
19, February 2010 3:09 pm

Very good C of S. That just about sums it up

Curious of Shanklin
Reply to  Clare
19, February 2010 3:08 pm

More like a moral compass that’s missing than a horse. Still, you might be right, a kingdom is at stake here.

Rush
Reply to  Curious of Shanklin
19, February 2010 3:27 pm

Thanks C of S.I was thinking ahead.

Rush
Reply to  Clare
19, February 2010 3:08 pm

Thats right,Clare

No.5
Reply to  Clare
20, February 2010 10:44 am

No…first of all a complaint has to be lodged…none has yet.

When (if ) such is then his role as a local councillor should come into question

Clare
Reply to  No.5
19, February 2010 3:06 pm

NOTE question 6 quite clearly states IF . Why would anyone not want Pugh to answer questions about the evening and events in question, he is the leader of the councilor – he is meant to set an example and if nothing else is answerable to the voting public. What is it with the press blackout and the County Press not demanding for a proper investigation, or… Read more »

Ravenswood
Reply to  No.5
19, February 2010 6:29 pm

[comment removed] You made a comment earlier questioning why should he be whiter than white. Well he and others presiding over us and telling us how to live and behave should be whiter than white, and if not prepared to be, they should be happy to be judged under the same scrutiny that they inflict on others, and face the same consequences or worse. “For never was… Read more »

No.5
Reply to  Ravenswood
19, February 2010 6:50 pm

maybe it is and maybe it isn’t, but until one of the parties issues a complaint..this is all guesswork and a witchhunt.

If a complaint is made and just, then he should face the same interegation he instigated against other councillors and should offer to resign his seat on Shanklin TC and put himself up for re-election.

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gutter press
19, February 2010 1:37 pm

SAD HIDE BEHIND THE PAGES SHAME ON YOU The gazette is as wimpish excuse of a newspaper where was your news head you where there and could of told all call yourself a paper look at the mess you have caused and your editor is in the thick of it. He’s a spineless excuse the island where counting on you to tell the truth and tell all… Read more »

basketballjones
Reply to  gutter press
19, February 2010 8:31 pm

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gutter press
19, February 2010 1:38 pm

The gazette is as bad a pugh

Media Blackout
19, February 2010 3:50 pm

The fact that the gazette editor was actually at the Ball -and that David’s date spent a fair amount of time sat on his lap, presumably isnt the reason why he’s not used his pictures or told the story from his point of view? The gazette is a terrible freesheet- but for the editor to omit such a big island story (one that literally landed in his… Read more »

gutter press
19, February 2010 4:05 pm

we’ve been told that she bullied him into not running the story to save face with David’s help. Its shocking to think the he thought it would go unnoticed shame on you gazette hope she is worth it Story of the island and you blacked it out. They did look very much together on Friday from what I saw at my table Gazette Ed and the girl… Read more »

Solicitor’s letter
19, February 2010 4:11 pm

I was in Boots today in Newport round lunchtime when I spied Pugh stood in the queue. Rather shocked to see him, bold as brass, in public considering what is going on I positioned myself next to a stand just to cast an eye over his body language. He was engrossed in his phone so much so that the queue moved without him. VB updates maybe? I… Read more »

islebeseeingyou
Reply to  Solicitor’s letter
19, February 2010 4:45 pm

Wish you waited to see what he was buying, maybe something for the weekend or perhaps Kalm’s. Come on Dave resign for the good of your health.

Media Blackout
19, February 2010 4:53 pm

fair play, very funny spoof agony letter in the gazette thou, from ‘babyface’

basketballjones
19, February 2010 6:45 pm

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Sally Perry
Admin
19, February 2010 7:07 pm

7pm: We’re just reviewing the comments left today. As we said yesterday, we don’t think it’s right that a non-public figure be brought into this discussion, so have had to remove parts of some offending comments.

We’re sure it’s obvious to everyone, comments that cross the line.

Gutless Press...
Reply to  Sally Perry
19, February 2010 7:52 pm

What now Ventnor Blog blacking out. Put your self in the public eye you might get your arse bitten! Sort this out who is blacking out the freedom of speech. Or someone got to you now.

No.5
Reply to  Gutless Press...
19, February 2010 8:38 pm

see..hysteria

islebeseeingyou
Reply to  No.5
19, February 2010 9:05 pm

No.5. I detest Pugh, however one of your comments/questions was a little below the belt. I therefore back the moderation. Most of the comments made about Pugh he deserves, but others he does not. He is an inexperienced young man in a job far beyond his capabilites and this Island deserves better. I am a conservative voter but looking at what they have in County Hall I… Read more »

No.5
Reply to  islebeseeingyou
20, February 2010 10:17 am

I’m afraid your mixing me up with another comment…I have been defending Pugh and against this witchhunt until a complaint, if any, is made by the offended parties.

I did quote and offensive section from someone elses post, the original of which was deleted..rightly

Rush
Reply to  islebeseeingyou
20, February 2010 10:23 am

Its about Pughs conduct!

Getting Crosser
Reply to  Gutless Press...
19, February 2010 8:44 pm

Eats, shoots and leaves.

Sally Perry
Admin
Reply to  Gutless Press...
19, February 2010 9:13 pm

We’ve got to trim things back a bit. Some comments are getting over-personal and inappropriate – so we’ve had to remove some of them. No over-personal and inappropriate comments has always been our policy and thankfully over the years, is something we have rarely had to moderate. We understand that in the heat of the moment, when tensions are raised that people can say things that they… Read more »

poke it with a stick
Reply to  Sally Perry
19, February 2010 10:17 pm

VB do need to take care as I’m sure the council’s legal department are watching all media (VB have led the way on this story and many others-well done). You can understand, however people’s sheer frustration and heart felt agony at the situation of David’s apparent lack of accountability for appalling public behaviour and the stinging cuts his party have proposed. Andrew Turner was at least voted… Read more »

poke it with a bigger stick
Reply to  poke it with a stick
19, February 2010 10:19 pm

should that have been “etc.etc….” sorry x

John
Reply to  poke it with a stick
19, February 2010 10:24 pm

Surely nothing to do with the Council’s legal department as the Council say it was “a private matter” and not related to the public role of members :-)

islebeseeingyou
Reply to  poke it with a stick
20, February 2010 8:17 am

If the Council’s Legal Dept are watching this site then can they instigate an investigation into the misuse of public funds. If has been alleged Mr Benyon has given this lady leave of absence which we believe is on full pay, because of the behaviour of the Council Leader then this is a misuse of public funds. Surely we (the council tax payers) have the right to… Read more »

poke it with a broom handle
Reply to  Sally Perry
19, February 2010 10:37 pm

Well John I fear there may be a great deal of difference in what they say and what they do ;-) Trust no one………well no one in the council anyway x

islebeseeingyou
Reply to  Sally Perry
19, February 2010 7:54 pm

Agree with what you have done sal.

newhorizons
19, February 2010 9:22 pm

I am not defending Mr Pugh’s swearing but some very alarming conclusions are being drawn from the evening’s events that the evidence does not point to. One fact might help. That is, that this relationship was not a new one, but has been going on since last year. I think this might put to bed some of the suggestions that he was somehow trying to seduce a… Read more »

Rush
Reply to  newhorizons
19, February 2010 10:09 pm

Really?

Shobba
Reply to  newhorizons
19, February 2010 10:47 pm

Fact? It’s not what Ms X was saying on the night to the journalist. She was most insistent that it was a first date.

- 5
Reply to  Shobba
19, February 2010 11:17 pm

FACT – as Mrs X has now been named in CP – is it not a FACT that Mrs X only recently left Mr X – so I really think you need to correct your FACTS as your FACT might get you in trouble stating that this has been going on since last year. As they say get your FACTS correct. !!

anna
Reply to  newhorizons
22, February 2010 12:06 am

New Horizons – you should apply to David for a job – if you don’t work for him already that is… It is most uncommon to book a lovely Valentine date and hotel at a public event where the world and his dog can see. Would you have said “darling, it’s Valentine’s Day. It’s our first real date. Let’s celebrate by going to the works do”. I… Read more »

bored-now
19, February 2010 11:42 pm

As you are moderating how come you have allowed complete rubbish by New Horizons to be put on your blog – no way is any of that true and it definately is pointing the blame at Pughs guest that evening which is really unfair as if you go back to the original question she wanted to leave he would not her let her get a lift with… Read more »

Rush
Reply to  bored-now
20, February 2010 7:37 am

It is about Pughs conduct.Do the people of the island want this from their Council Leader?

Sad Owl
20, February 2010 11:03 am

I went on the Conservatives facebook page, saw the link, and attempted to ‘like’ it, as is customary in these situations.
But alas, it seems that to do so, one must first become a fan of the Conservatives on facebook, and I don’t think I’m ready to do anything as drastic as that…

Media Blackout
20, February 2010 11:19 am

SPOT THE DIFFERENCE: When Andy Sutton thought he’d broken the rules he stepped down from the top job and reported himself to the Standards Board.

Despite an admission of guilt and hundreds of critical comments, David Pugh has done nothing but boast to colleagues and laugh it all off.

It seems it’s just business as usual at IWC for the former Shanklin stationer

Handbags at Dawn
Reply to  Media Blackout
20, February 2010 11:49 am

Cor Blimey Guv, it’s come to something when we are looking at Sutton as “honourable” but his recent actions are praise worthy. Pugh will “laugh it all off” because he can and the Tory party are letting him. County Hall won’t do anything. Turner could win on this if he made a stand. Shanklin Stationers?…… they must carry a large supply of rubbers and blotting paper then… Read more »

Weary but Happy
Reply to  Handbags at Dawn
20, February 2010 12:40 pm

There’s a saying which some might consider to be apt: What can you expect from a pig but a grunt?

gutter press
20, February 2010 5:56 pm

MEDIA BLACKOUT Gazette ed is refusing to discuss if you he going to release the video or if he will ever publish it I spoke to him on the phone his number is on the net [*personal details removed by moderator*]. What is this guy problem he has the making of a great story but is avoiding the publicition that the island public he serves. He must… Read more »

Shobba
20, February 2010 6:31 pm

Gazette wimped out, not even a picture of Pugh and his date despite printing dozens of others of people who attended. I assume he thought he was protecting the woman? Good job we’ve got VB and the County Depress.

Mitch
20, February 2010 8:32 pm

Maybe the Gazette editor has reasons for not printing, there must be something stopping him so can none of you respect that??? He knows he’s on to a big story so there must be some rather HUGE issue why his article was the way it was Can someone explain how this has turned from Pugh being a naughty boy to harrassing the Gazette and publishing his telephone… Read more »

Sally Perry
Admin
Reply to  Mitch
20, February 2010 8:58 pm

We have just seen this too Mitch and thought the same as you.

We have spoken to Jason and he is OK with it being there, because his number is all over the net

However, we have removed it because it is unacceptable to post personal contact details on VB.

gutter press
20, February 2010 9:01 pm

. The island are waiting for the stuff. This muppett at the gazette bottled out over the girl where has it got him now are they together or is she playing him and is he now hiding behind all of this to not bring it out in the open. A can of worms so I have been told. Get rid of him and get some who can… Read more »

Hazel wyld
Reply to  gutter press
21, February 2010 2:50 pm

Try reading page five of Gazette under letter to Ed for your entertainment!!!!!

gutter press
20, February 2010 9:06 pm

VB are blackout out the news if Jason is ok with it why hasn’t he published the material that he has got or may be he hasn’t got the girl is all over CP this week named and shamed we deserve the gazette to fair and publish what they have. Bring it on Gazette where are you Whats Jason!! relationship in all this after all they where… Read more »

Mitch
Reply to  gutter press
20, February 2010 10:11 pm

Gutter Press! You don’t DESERVE anything, it is up to the editor of the paper to decide what to print, what is in the publics interest and what could do more harm than good… that is the responsibility of being the editor… knowing when to draw a line, which is what he has done!!!!! By the sounds of it The editor was in a no win situation… Read more »

S B
Reply to  Mitch
20, February 2010 10:45 pm

‘private lives’ ?

This was not at a bus stop with strangers in a remote country. This was at a council event, on the premesis, to fellow guests, whilst his presence was as a result of being the council leader.

RESIGN DAVID.

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