MP to discuss ferry fares with Vince Cable

Following Wightlink’s announcement at forthcoming service changes, this in from Andrew Tutner’s office. Ed


Andrew Turner, the Island’s MP, is seeking a meeting with the Rt Hon Vince Cable MP, Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills, to discuss cross-Solent ferry services.

This follows the recent announcement by Wightlink that overnight services on their three routes are to be axed. He is also looking at ways to raise the issue in the House of Commons.

Surprise, surprise!
Mr Turner said, “We have been constantly told fares are high because they subsidise loss-making, overnight services. Well surprise, surprise! Wightlink have not announced fare cuts to compensate for the loss of those services.

“Islanders need ferries to access hospital and other health services, work and business opportunities and education, as well as to keep in touch with family and friends; the public are absolutely right to be concerned. These changes will end the possibility of an evening out on the mainland and make the Island even more isolated.”

Office of Fair Trading (OFT)
Mr Turner, who, in 2009, spearheaded a campaign for the Office of Fair Trading (OFT) to examine the cross-Solent ferry market, also spoke about the effect of the changes on the Island’s economy:

“The OFT accepts the ferries are a lifeline service. However they found limited evidence of what they call ‘consumer detriment’, and so decided not to take their investigation any further. I believe their definition of consumer detriment was too narrow and I have raised that with their Chairman Philip Collins – he said he would consider the argument.

“But the OFT also found there was no easy answer to the problems – increasing competition is not possible because the existing ferry companies own or have long term leases on all the berthing facilities on the Island. So even if the OFT were to widen its definition, it is hard to see what remedy they could impose.

“The ferries are private companies and can change their prices or services at will, with no consultation or consideration of the economic or social impact on the Island and Islanders. That is why I want to talk to the Secretary of State about the wider issues. I have also written to various organisations asking for their views and would especially welcome hearing from Island businesses with details of what these changes mean for them.”

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Sandy Shanklin
14, November 2012 12:04 pm

Great news that Andrew Turner is picking this one up too. All our politicians should be standing up to be counted if this dreadful decision by Wightlink is to be overturned.

Victormoaning
Reply to  Sandy Shanklin
14, November 2012 8:34 pm

Don’t hold your breath whilst Vince farts about protecting his image from all sides,like all politicians do. Keep deep breathing to continue the fight…once the service goes it’ll be impossible to get it back. I say put a broad shot across their bows now and kick Wightlink in the’ wallets’ as a warning of what could happen come the summer. Between now and Jan we should have… Read more »

Victormoaning
Reply to  Sandy Shanklin
16, November 2012 10:24 am

It’s pie in the sky to think that the Gov’t will subsidise ferry services. Over the last 12 years Wightlink has shown a net operational profit in each of those years of not less than £8m, peaking at £14m in 2006. Publicly there is no leadership coming from our policitians. We are fragmented on web sites and in the IWCP with individual moans and groans that will… Read more »

Dalek
14, November 2012 4:16 pm

Whose party decided that the (now) Wightlink routes should be sold off and cease being state-owned public services and become as described above? “The ferries are private companies and can change their prices or services at will.” Seem to remember that it was the very same party to which Mr Turner belongs, and now he’s trying to claim some kind of moral high ground by seeming to… Read more »

wightywight
Reply to  Dalek
14, November 2012 4:37 pm

A somewhat cynical view Dalek… I have stated exactly the same thing as our MP. It is pertinent and it is valid and it is fact. Wightlink have justified continual price increases by telling us that they HAD to subsidise crossings that *lost* money because of lack of passengers. I think most people would understand those crossings to be very late at night or during the night.… Read more »

Dalek
Reply to  wightywight
14, November 2012 4:43 pm

Maybe I am cynical, but our MP has a great record of bandwagon jumping, when it seems that he’ll get the most publicity/votes out of it with the minimum effort. Anecdotally at least these efforts are usually ineffectual from the point of results, but still get people to vote for him because he seems to appear to be doing something, when he is not.

joyfull
14, November 2012 4:57 pm

I agree with Dalek on this occasion about bandwagon jumping. Something that our MP is very good at. And to argue this point now with is own party is a little late. Surely it isn’t viable to run services that have only 2 or e cars on board and about 10 people. It makes common sense to cut those out. The cost of fuel, as we all… Read more »

wightywight
Reply to  joyfull
14, November 2012 5:27 pm

@joyfull: Do you read what’s written here? I won’t repeat my post but Andrew Turner is also aware of what Wightlink has been saying over a long period of time about price increases on their ferries. On occasions, particulary recently, they have mentioned fuel costs. The change in fuel type (because of government/EU regulations on emmisions) will raise fuel costs as the fuel is more expensive (..the… Read more »

Dalek
Reply to  wightywight
14, November 2012 8:08 pm

Nope, sorry. They are a private company that operates to maximise profits. Thus they can do what they want really to achieve that aim. It may be uncomfortable, but that is the case. Levels of profit must be maximised according to the bean counters that run most companies so we will just have to lump it. Andrew Turner getting involved to make most of the potential votes… Read more »

BRIAN
14, November 2012 6:38 pm

The Tories have never understood the concept of national service which must be available even if the operating costs cannot be recovered in full. Tories always think every service must be run on “profit” motivated lines. Railways must be privatised and closed if not profitable (until some national emergency arises) It’s a good job Dr Beeching didn’t axe the railways before 1939 just as Hitler invaded Poland… Read more »

biggmarket
Reply to  BRIAN
14, November 2012 8:49 pm

Oh dear. We have the usual rants against filthy rich capitalists grinding the Island residents into the earth. It’s a wonder we haven’t had Australian descendants of jumped up 19th century mill owners. Dave Spart lives. Wightlink is a private company which will need to buy three new ferries for the Portsmouth to Fishbourne run. I also think there is an assumption that all the loss making… Read more »

peaceful_life
Reply to  biggmarket
14, November 2012 9:23 pm

‘Hope’ is so overrated, especially when placed in the hands of a proxy.

As I mentioned on the other ferry thread, the islanders could always group together and provide their own service within a not for profit framework.

Rowan
15, November 2012 9:39 am

I’m with Brian on this one – we need the ferries to be publicly owned. As long as they’re privately owned they’re bound to make as much profit as they can for their shareholders – that’s what they have to do. But until that happy day (it could happen – it’s not impossible) I’m pleased that Andrew Turner is taking this up with Vince Cable. I suspect… Read more »

joyfull
15, November 2012 1:19 pm

@wightywight yes I read what you wrote. I wonder how many of the regular passengers of the ferries believe that they are within their rights to bring their own flasks of tea/coffee onto the ferry (which of course they are) and then to help themselves to the cartons of milk, the wooden stirrers and the napkins, as well as the plates to put their own homemade cakes… Read more »

joyfull
Reply to  joyfull
15, November 2012 1:20 pm

I apologise,third paragraph should read

The costs of those items are factored into the costs of the catering but not into the prices of the ferry ticket.

wightywight
Reply to  joyfull
15, November 2012 4:43 pm

@joyfull: That’s a little obtuse but…… without having insight into the Accounts for Wightlink my estimated guess, based on price levels mainly, is that the catering does very well thank you! I suspect whatever (minor?) losses are attributed (to what one might call ‘shoplifting’ ….?) in the catering operation they are easily countered for in the high prices charged for food and drink. I would suggest the… Read more »

Joyfull
Reply to  wightywight
16, November 2012 8:04 pm

@wightywight Whilst I agree that this company serves the people of the island, it is still in business to make a profit. As with any business, cutting out loss making services or endeavours is paramount to the survival of the company. To say that my comments are a little obtuse is insulting to say the least. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/obtuse b. Characterized by a lack of intelligence or sensitivity: an… Read more »

peaceful_life
15, November 2012 6:00 pm

A privately owned, profit based company… simply cannot provide the same value… and obligation that a community owned, not for profit can. Nationalising doesn’t appear to be the order of the day (although it should be) in the face of so many PFI deals. It wouldn’t be overly prophetic to suggest that the island will at best be left with a skeleton service, the islanders might as… Read more »

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