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Call for Isle of Wight council to support ‘Votes at 16’ campaign

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Labour’s IW Councillor for Newport East, Geoff Brodie, has tabled a Motion to next week’s Full Council calling for support for the ‘Votes at 16’ campaign.

The Motion reads,

This Council notes;

  1. That currently 1.5 million 16 and 17 year olds are denied the vote in public elections in the UK.
  2. That the campaign to lower the voting age is supported by thousands of young people across the UK and that the ‘Votes at 16 Coalition’ consists of a wide range of youth and democracy organisations.

This Council believes;

  1. 16 and 17 year olds are knowledgeable and passionate about the world in which they live and are as capable of engaging in the democratic system as any other citizen;
  2. Lowering the voting age to 16, combined with strong citizenship education, would empower young people to better engage in society and influence decisions that will define their future;
  3. People who can consent to medical treatment, work full-time, pay taxes, get married or enter a civil partnership and join the armed forces should also have the right to vote.

This Council resolves;

  1. To support the Votes at 16 Coalition;
  2. To write to the Island’s MP to inform him of this decision and ask him to support the campaign

Geoff was approached by former Deputy Youth MP, Will Matthews about getting support for this campaign and readily agreed. Will is now IW Labour’s Youth & Student Officer and very active in ‘Young Labour’

Geoff said,

“The key for me is that young people of 16 & 17 are treated as taxable if in work, but they have no representation.

“There was an American Revolution over ‘No taxation without representation’ more than 200 years ago and it seems bizarre to me that these young people are still unable to vote in the 21st century.”

Will Matthews said,

“I am delighted that Geoff has agreed to table this Motion and I hope that the overwhelming majority of IW Councillors will see that it is only fair that there are Votes at 16 and will support it.”

Image: elzoh under CC BY 2.0

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Colin
7, November 2017 2:05 pm

Can’t see a problem with 18 myself. Many don’t get to vote till they are years older anyway depending on when an election is called. Is it because Labour thinks the 16s are so stupid as to believe the tripe that some Labour politicians spout? It’s quite easy to con the young with false promises and to go to Glastonbury and say any old thing that gets… Read more »

Nitonia
Reply to  Colin
7, November 2017 3:07 pm

It’s also quite easy to con the much older (and supposedly) wiser with promises of massive cash injections into the NHS and that the Nation’s of the world will be falling over themselves to do trade deals with us once we leave the EU. Young people will always be more likely to challenge the status quo and recognise when they are being lied to. The Tories will… Read more »

temperance
7, November 2017 6:16 pm

Most 16 years can hardly string a sentence together let alone give a balanced opinion of current affairs

Robert Jones
Reply to  temperance
7, November 2017 6:59 pm

You don’t mind a bit of gross generalization, do you? When I was the Labour agent on the island, I visited schools, with other political parties, and while some of the students would have been a bit older than 16, though obviously not by much, they were able to give the politicians a very hard time – and usually did. This was over 25 years ago –… Read more »

Caconym
Reply to  temperance
7, November 2017 10:25 pm

I know far more politically aware *young* people than old people. Far too many oldies vote the same way they always did. No thought, no consideration. Always voted Tory/Labour (delete as applicable) and always will.

septua
7, November 2017 7:41 pm

When the voting age was 21 – a reasonably sensible age – I was forced to serve in HM Armed Forces for two years before reaching voting age. What are current teenagers complaining about; they are fortunate not to have to spend two years national service. Most teenagers (not all) lack maturity and an understanding of politics, and surely do not appreciate how to have a vote… Read more »

Caconym
Reply to  septua
7, November 2017 10:17 pm

It might have escaped your attention, but things have moved on a bit since your “good old days” We no longer lock people up for merely having a different sexuality. It is no longer acceptable to discriminate against people based on their race, age, sex or disability. And, no, we no longer force young people to serve in the military against their will. It *is* perfectly reasonable… Read more »

septua
Reply to  Caconym
8, November 2017 9:52 am

But how many 16 – 18 year olds pay tax?

Colin
Reply to  septua
8, November 2017 10:09 am

There must be a fair few in the sixth forms or at college.

Caconym
Reply to  septua
8, November 2017 11:51 am

Irrelevant. They are required to pay tax based on their earnings (unlike those under 16).

Or are you suggesting that the right to vote should be based on whether you *actually* pay tax? (rather than just the requirement in law)? In which case there are plenty of pensioners who pay no tax. Maybe they should be banned from voting too?

willmatthews
Reply to  septua
8, November 2017 11:54 am

A fair few, I started paying tax at 17. The point is that 16/17 year olds *can* pay tax, but the *can’t* vote – taxation but no representation?

Tim
Reply to  Caconym
8, November 2017 10:55 pm

Suruk, don’t knock it, we used to be world leaders at white washing coal back in the days of national service!

steephilljack
7, November 2017 7:52 pm

Quite right Geoff. If you can pay taxes at 16 you must have a right to vote.

iain mckie
8, November 2017 1:41 pm

To be consistent, 16 year olds ought then to be able to buy alcohol, gamble, and buy fags, and (in the event of them being arrested and charged) tried in adult courts. Are Labour OK with this?

Caconym
Reply to  iain mckie
8, November 2017 2:00 pm

This isn’t about being about buying booze (or anything else, for that matter). This is about having a say in the choosing of a government they are required by law to fund.

fedupbritain
Reply to  Caconym
8, November 2017 2:18 pm

I’d say if you are old enough to have a say in how we are governed I’d say that you are old enough to know what is good for you, and in what quantities.

willmatthews
Reply to  iain mckie
8, November 2017 2:56 pm

Iain, I seem to remember you telling me that you were a supporter of Votes at 16…

Caconym
Reply to  willmatthews
8, November 2017 3:29 pm

Consistency isn’t one of Iain’s strong points.

Tim
8, November 2017 10:53 pm

I can see some merit in the idea, 16 year olds are far more mature and worldly wise than in the past.

When I was 16 back in the 1970s I used to be in the Young Conservatives, how embarrassing is that?

Mark L Francis
13, November 2017 4:31 pm

Whilst some 16 year olds are immature and stupid, there are large numbers of people of any age that are dumb as a bag of wet mice. Some of them even get to be Foreign Secretary.

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