Cllr Scoccia Wants To Make Public VTC Recordings Private

There’s a move from Cllr Susan Scoccia on the Ventnor Town Council (VTC) to try and stop the recordings of public VTC meetings being released online to the public.

Cllr Scoccia Wants To Keep Public VTC Recordings PrivateThe VTC originally voted to record and publish them way back in May 2008.

Cllr Scoccia previously attempted to have recordings stopped earlier this year, in February – giving no reason for her actions.

Originally for open access for the public
The idea behind doing the recordings and publishing them online was that people who couldn’t make it along to council meetings would be able to ‘attend’ without being there – be they busy, elderly, infirm, etc.

It’s been of note that since Ventnor Town council voted to carry out recordings and publish them online, other town councils around the Island have taken the idea and embraced it.

Re-writing history
Cllr Susan Scoccia appears to be trying to re-write history. She wants to change what has been already agreed, making the recordings only available to the town clerk – then to have them deleted after six months.

The public would be forced to go to the trouble of making an official Freedom of Information request to be able to listen to something that is, by its very nature, public. Not only that, but there’s a suggestion that the council might charge for copies of the recordings.

Shameful
To try and restrict this is shameful and frankly indefensible.

What possible reason could there be for not giving the general public access to the recordings that are made in public meetings?

Restrictive actions like this could lead people to conclude that Cllr Scoccia has, or thinking she has, something to hide from the public.

“Think before we speak”
As one of the councillors (now-ex) said in the debate before they agreed it – “we’ll have to think about what we say before we say it!” Yes – that’s what we lowly voting cattle feel might be the very bare minimum – that brain’s are engaged before speaking.

While other councils are making the move to go a stage further and video the meetings – some even broadcasting the meetings live – Cllr Susan Scoccia wants to close down the public access.

Hey, even the IWC council make the audio of their meetings available free to the public.

Have we got it wrong?
Have we got it completely the wrong way around? Should public meetings only be available to those who can make it along to the meetings?

Image: gcfairch under CC BY 2.0

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Gruntled of Bembridge
1, April 2010 12:05 pm

Given the high percentage of over 65s on the Island and the “spirit” of the Disability Discrimination Act to renege on a previous decision would seem a retrograde step. As ofr charging, a modest sum to cover cost of cassette would perhaps be in order but VB seem to manage to put live coverage on line so it can’t be beyond the wit of the average Town… Read more »

Steephill Jack
Reply to  Gruntled of Bembridge
1, April 2010 3:56 pm

One of the problems with VTC has been its inability to communicate with the public. Dates of meetings, agendas, minutes and those commissioned reports (Finance; Health and Safety)should all be on the VTC website. That would help to reduce gossip and the spread of rumours. If they can’t do that then let them use the VentnorBlog as a medium. Recordings of meetings must be made and should… Read more »

Gillian Jenner
1, April 2010 12:21 pm

Well said Simon. The electorate of Ventnor and the Ventnor Town Council can only benefit from greater transparency of the VTC activities. It’s a no brainer that making VTC meetings more accessible via recordings and posting relevant documentation on its web site will ensure greater, more positive engagement with us the public. However Cllr Scotia was right in only one respect: the VTC needs a policy about… Read more »

Sally Perry
Admin
Reply to  Gillian Jenner
1, April 2010 12:33 pm

I also agree a policy is needed, but also believe the recordings should be available online for all to hear. The reason for us originally asking back in 2008 that the VTC pass a motion to record and broadcast meetings was in order for those unable to attend to be able to hear proceedings. Cllr Scoccia seems to want to make that as hard as possible for… Read more »

Chris Bonney
Reply to  Sally Perry
1, April 2010 12:47 pm

Sal, with the greatest respect, I don’t believe that the idea of charging for council recordings

Chris Bonney
Reply to  Sally Perry
1, April 2010 12:49 pm

…has been suggested and it is certainly is not an idea that I would support.

Sally Perry
Admin
Reply to  Chris Bonney
1, April 2010 1:37 pm

Sorry Chris, my trusty notes tell me that it was one of her suggestions in her opening suggestions on creating a policy.

I guess you can check the recording for official clarification ;-)

Stewart Blackmore
Reply to  Sally Perry
1, April 2010 2:54 pm

Sal, This should be a very easy thing to set up but, from my attendances at VTC meetings, they can’t even set up microphones properly, so that the public can hear and be heard! The cassette recordings could easily be transferred to CDs or DVDs for archiving and copies could be made available to the public and the press. The technology is available now and could be… Read more »

Sally Perry
Admin
Reply to  Stewart Blackmore
1, April 2010 3:22 pm

The VTC already have the necessary equipment to record the meetings digitally (not many people use tape these days). You might have noticed the small recorder sitting in the middle of the table at the meetings (well some of them anyway). It is a highly sensitive piece of equipment and can even pick up public questions. All that is required is for someone to copy the file… Read more »

islebeseeingyou
Reply to  Sally Perry
1, April 2010 9:45 pm

Glad our meetings are not recorded. They would certainly hear me muttering about daft old duffers but the language would be a lot stronger! Things have come to a head at Ventnor and can now only improve. One word of advice to all, forget the past and move forward to a positive future. History should be left where it belongs. Good luck Ventnor TC and remember everyone… Read more »

Icarus
1, April 2010 12:28 pm

Time Cllr Scoccia went methinks, shes making a fool of herself every day of the year.
Perhaps we could pension her off and make her an exhibit at Dinosaur Isle.

Jack The Hat
1, April 2010 1:04 pm

Really hope this is an April Fool!

Mr Justice
1, April 2010 3:58 pm

I cannot believe these councillor’s. Why are they so obsessed with secrecy? Is a public meeting not a public meeting. What on earth are they frightened of, apart from more of us hearing what exactly they have to say of course. Perhaps like the lying lizards at Westminster, they fear their vague promises and assurances could come back to haunt them in time ahead.

Chris Welsford
Reply to  Mr Justice
1, April 2010 5:09 pm

Along with the majority of Ventnor Town Councillors, I am in favour of recording our meetings. What is said in council meetings really does matter. Particularly as certain individuals like to mis-quote what has been said in the newspapers. When Maureen Cawley did this last year I was able to prove that she had misrepresented me, even if the nasty rag concerned, could not be bothered to… Read more »

Leigh Geddes
Reply to  Chris Welsford
2, April 2010 8:13 am

Wow. Brading’s got a great website, someone’d done good work there. I was at the VTC meeting when the subject of recordings was discussed and I didn’t hear any attempt to forbid sound recording, just a discussion of how to manage it, avoid the expense of providing copes of recordings (put a link on the website) and the need for a policy for storage, retention and destruction… Read more »

Sally Perry
Admin
Reply to  Leigh Geddes
2, April 2010 10:08 am

Hi Leigh, It was at the previous meeting that Cllr Scoccia had tried to get the recording stopped. Cllr Scoccia made it very clear that she thought only one person should hold the recordings and if the public wanted to have a copy they would have to make an FOI request and possibly be charged for it. I also agree they need a proper policy, that one… Read more »

Chris Bonney
Reply to  Mr Justice
1, April 2010 6:01 pm

Mr. Justice, you seem to have left out a much overlooked fundamental truth here. The ‘lying lizards at Westminster’ are paid well and receive handsome financial support to do their full time job and put up with the insults and tirade of the public when they are seen to be self serving or misguided. The Ventnor town councillors are community volunteers. As for recordings, let us be… Read more »

Mr Justice
Reply to  Chris Bonney
1, April 2010 6:14 pm

Thank you for that clarification. I apologise but if the other VT councillor’s are happy to have meetings recorded why is this woman getting her own way? Councillor Scoccia is a paid member of iw council and no doubt sees her work at VTC as essential part of her duties. If I were a local voter this woman would be getting a flea in her ear. She… Read more »

steve s
1, April 2010 5:27 pm

Some councillors advocate requesting the assistance of VB in producing a state of the art Town Council website for the 21st century. Others, not so much. ;-)

Chris Welsford
Reply to  steve s
1, April 2010 5:35 pm

And that is something that will need to be decided by the council through the appropriate procurement process.

mojo
Reply to  Chris Welsford
1, April 2010 8:47 pm

Yeah!! Can’t take any decision on your own!!!! lol x

Steephill Jack
Reply to  steve s
1, April 2010 6:39 pm

Asking the Commies to help with communications Steve ?!

Mr Justice
1, April 2010 6:55 pm

I wouldn’t be surprised if iw council were not already bugging the meetings. Remember they found bugs at Yarmouth harbour meetings, no-one was ever caught doing it. Mind you, it wouldn’t surprise me if the council had GCHQ working on all our communications. And VB postings of course.

N0.5
Reply to  Mr Justice
1, April 2010 7:18 pm

They already know who I am :-0

Barney McGrew
Reply to  Mr Justice
2, April 2010 10:48 am

Just for information – the council won’t be using GCHQ for intercepts it is much more likely to use Menwith Hill as this is part of ECHELON which monitors civilian leased line and sattelite communications for the U and US NSA.

You have been warned!

Mr Justice
1, April 2010 7:58 pm

You are Number 6. But you pretend to be Number 5. Number 1 is a foul mothed bully. But not on our island.

N0.5
Reply to  Mr Justice
1, April 2010 9:46 pm

:-)

AKA Larkhill

AlanB
1, April 2010 8:03 pm

I though he/she was in league with the Isle of Wight Council

Stewart Blackmore
2, April 2010 11:04 am

Just had a look at the Brading site – fantastic.
It was developed by parishcouncil.net and there are different levels of ownership:

http://www.parishcouncil.net/packages.php

From £250 to £800 incl initial setup with annual running costs £100 – £300. This would be a bargain, it seems to me, if the new Clerk is willing to mmanage the system!

islebeseeingyou
Reply to  Stewart Blackmore
2, April 2010 7:34 pm

I have/am using a site provided by Parishcouncil.net and it is fantastic. Easy to use, quick to update and the guys at the other end of the phone are great. Ventnor should consider it.

Oldie
Reply to  islebeseeingyou
3, April 2010 9:39 am

Now all the research has been done as to initial cost and yearly maintenance (which appears to be very modest) and ease of update let’s hope our elected representatives on Ventnor Council agree as soon as possible to follow in the footsteps of Brading Council to produce a website as excellent and professional as theirs. The ratepayers deserve nothing less. It would put an end to all… Read more »

N0.5
Reply to  Oldie
3, April 2010 11:34 am

I agree…but it hasn’t stopped the squabbling at Brading Town Council :-)

Sally Perry
Admin
Reply to  Oldie
3, April 2010 3:51 pm

I’m in agreement that the VTC need a more engaging Website and it would be good if minutes are uploaded swiftly after a meeting, but they are just a precise of the meeting. The policy of recording and publishing audio recordings has already been agreed by the VTC (back in 2008). Minutes are necessary but cannot replace an audio recording. We have already suggested to the VTC… Read more »

Steephill Jack
Reply to  Sally Perry
3, April 2010 6:28 pm

I think it is reasonable to allow VTC to agree the minutes at their next meeting, before they get posted, especially as some Bloggers are a wee bit volatile. Know who I mean ?

Sally Perry
Admin
Reply to  Sally Perry
3, April 2010 7:18 pm

@Steephill Jack – Minutes had always previously been sent out to the media before being agreed by cllrs. That was the protocol John Farrant used, which is why you would see a report of the previous week’s meeting in the following week’s Chronicle.

Steephill Jack
Reply to  Sally Perry
3, April 2010 7:35 pm

Thanks Sal. Maybe that explains why the Chronicle seldom seems to have been to the same VTC meetings that I attend, if they rely on the minutes ?
But if the press get the draft minutes would they be wise to publish them I wonder ?

Chris Welsford
3, April 2010 9:53 am

As I have just agreed with the Brading Town Clerk that he will be the temporary locum Town Clerk for Ventnor Town Council, until a permanent replacement can be found, I am sure you will agree that the chances of our procuring a decent website have risen significantly!

islebeseeingyou
Reply to  Chris Welsford
3, April 2010 12:35 pm

Oh dear – haven’t you read about a recent uproar at Brading. Since the new clerk has been there in place of the lovely Cathy things seem to have changed. Is the clerk qualified? I should check that out. Try google.

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