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Island Line: Finney / Pugh exchange: Does Gov subsidise? #8/9/10

Over the last couple of weeks OnTheWight has been running a series of email exchanges between Nick Finney, Isle of Wight Conservative MP Andrew Turner‘s transport advisor, and David Pugh, who is connected with the Keep Island Line in Franchise (KILF) group.

As mentioned before, the Island Line franchise is a complex subject, so we feel that it’s only right that the exchanges are published unedited, so details are not missed out.

Here’s the eight, ninth and tenth exchange. The email stream starts with one from Nick Finney in response to David Pugh‘s earlier email.

The niceties of salutations seem to have disappeared.


Nicholas Finney wrote:

Oh dear David. I think that you are the hysterical one and as usual choose only those points which bolster your own perception. Everyone is getting tired of your obsessive, bullying and sneering tactics. Read what I have posted on County press on line. And let’s all wait for the crucial meeting of the Council with the DfT on Sept 7th.

Andrew Turner is ten times the person that you will ever be and his judgement is his own. In my experience he has always put the. island first and will continue to do so irrespective of your views or indeed mine. I’m just a bit freer than he is to expose you for what you are – a failed young politician who needs to learn a great deal more about the society he lives in than you do.

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David Pugh wrote:

What a charmer you are!

We’re delighted that facts are on our side. Don’t forget to read that Stagecoach Annual Report again and I’d be happy to answer any questions you may have.

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Nicholas Finney wrote:

What facts? Use your intelligence and understand what is now necessary. Local communities having Inefficient and loss making rail lines must make the effort to improve ridership and efficiency.

The island line is at the end of its natural life. It needs to modernise and change to reflect the needs of the whole Island. Andrew understands that. His proposals are a proper lifeline to the future. Communities need to take more responsibility for the services that are currently underperforming.

There is no fairy godmother available. I think that the true opposition to whom you have now unwisely attached yourself to have called you “Boy Blunder”. As leader of the council you removed 40,000 pounds from support for the Island Line. And your plans for Ryde Esplanade station cost the ratepayer about 1.2 million pounds which had to be paid back.

I invite you to put your case for probity forward so that others more expert than I can comment. This sudden conversion to the saviour of the Island Line is not bourne out by your performance when you had some control.

Image: mrthk under CC BY 2.0

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Old father time
6, September 2015 10:11 am

The depth of their mutual hostility and contempt is certainly revealed in the exchange.

Mr Magoo
6, September 2015 10:50 am

Clever and apposite choice of picture. Pugh and Finney lock horns while the passive MP observes from a safe distance

Gordon the Green Engine
6, September 2015 10:56 am

“And let’s all wait for the crucial meeting of the Council with the DfT on Sept 7th.” The council have ALREADY had a meeting with the DfT. Finney (and Turner?) didnt like the outcome, and got on the phone to make the council look stupid. They succeeded only in making themselves and the DfT look stupid. “Communities need to take more responsibility for the services that are… Read more »

castlewez
Reply to  Gordon the Green Engine
6, September 2015 6:12 pm

“…his [Turner’s] judgement is his own.” So Mr Finney really expects us to believe that Mr Turner is making all these pronouncements himself, based on his own judgement? If Turner is exercising his own judgement, he is doing it very poorly. Especially by having his ex-fiancee’s new lover as his adviser, as a rubbish one at that. Can anywhere in the UK have an MP in such… Read more »

Steve Goodman
6, September 2015 10:57 am

Might it be more accurate to say that ‘everyone’ ‘is getting tired of the tactics’ of Mr.Finney, who seems to have lost the argument on this Island rail issue?

Gordon the Green Engine
Reply to  Steve Goodman
6, September 2015 11:01 am

It does seem that Pugh is comporting himself with dignity whilst Finney becomes more and more abusive. It makes me wonder what was done to wind Pugh up and make him swear at Carole Dennett in Cowes. I’ve always wondered how the tabloid hack happened to be in the right position to film it all, with a camera in his hand. Finney stinks, along with Dennett, and… Read more »

Observer
6, September 2015 11:20 am

Finney refers to the meeting this week between the Council and DfT. After last week’s Council vote I trust the Council representatives will make it crystal clear to the DfT that neither the Council nor public opinion on the Island support the Finney/Dennett/Turner viewpoint.Perhaps Jonathan Bacon could reassure us on this.

S Osmund
6, September 2015 12:22 pm

Let’s hope that this time WHOEVER attends the meeting waits for an agreed record of what was said and doesn’t make the same rookie error of John Metcalf and Steve Stubbings.

Gordon the Green Engine
Reply to  S Osmund
6, September 2015 1:50 pm

Lets hope the DfT stick to their word and dont bend to pressure from Turner and cronies,

Metcalf and Stubbings took the DfT at their word. The DfT were duplicitous and went back on their word. Tories lying once again.

Richard
6, September 2015 3:45 pm

Mr Finney You say you would like communities take more responsibility for services that are currently under performing, how do you propose to do this? Would it be that local communities have to pay more taxes / fares? At the moment the added expense across the whole rail network for the cost of running non profitable lines is negligible to the passenger on profitable routes, but what… Read more »

Mrs Retired Hack
6, September 2015 4:59 pm

Well said, Richard. Your questions are spot-on – we are, of course, Mr Turner’s constituents, but we are not Mr Finney’s. Let’s hope both of them remember that.

The Sciolist
6, September 2015 9:46 pm

Posters here do not represent the Isle of Wight, Andrew Turner does. Have you forgotten so soon that he was elected in May? If he represents my view, he will tell the treasury that island line is an unaffordable luxury, not deserving of the huge investment needed to keep operating.

You lot can’t possibly believe that the Labour meeting in Shanklin was properly representative of local opinion?

Gordon the Green Engine
Reply to  The Sciolist
6, September 2015 9:54 pm

Turner was elected without a mandate. The majority of Island voters voted for someone else. He represents the 40% who voted for him. He does not represent me, or 60% of voters who voted for somebody else. Neither does he represent the 80% of the Islands population who did not vote for him. It seems, finally, that he has seen a little sense and asked Cllr Stewart… Read more »

Retired hack
Reply to  The Sciolist
7, September 2015 9:08 am

Sociolist, did AT tell voters before the election that Island Line was an unaffordable luxury, as you, he and Mr Finney appear to believe, and that he’d tell the Government so at the first opportunity? Would they have voted for him if he had? Would the local Tories be in their present mess if they’d been a bit more careful about who was to be left pulling… Read more »

castlewez
Reply to  Retired hack
8, September 2015 10:48 pm

Island Line an unaffordable luxury?!

Island residents probably think that many of AT’s second home expense claims on the taxpayer were an unaffordable luxury!

Bedheads, garden improvements, mortgage for a five-bedroom house…

Richard
6, September 2015 10:16 pm

sciolist
” an unaffordable luxury ”
My shift starts as a guard on Islandline at 1030am tomorrow,, would you be willing to travel on my train for the duration of my shift and voice that opinion to my passengers! You can buy an all day rover at the moment for £5.80 that will cover your travel for the entire day?
Look forward to seeing you..

Geegee White
7, September 2015 12:04 am

Gordon I think you will find it is Finney in the background whilst Dennett pulls the stings in this ménage a trois ! She seems to attend every meeting whilst babysitting both of her ‘boys’. They can’t be trusted on their own. Busy lady, wonder who is paying for her time and effort ? As to the incident at Cowes with Mr Pugh, his then girlfriend and… Read more »

Gordon the Green Engine
Reply to  Geegee White
7, September 2015 7:06 am

Urm, is there an echo in here?

Geegee
7, September 2015 8:57 am

Probably , but why not spell it out ? Let the facts speak for,the sake of clarity, after all Mr Turner constantly tell us his ‘majority’ is greatly increased. Let’s put it into context.

phil008
7, September 2015 9:08 pm

I think it was summed up when a councilor that abstained from voting was chosen to represent the islands case!!! He clearly has no passion to protect islandline, and will go the meeting with a no care attitude. Northern Rail gets 1billion in subsidies from the government, so the 3million that islandline gets is small change compared to that! Plus the fact that the 3 million comes… Read more »

Tobytram
8, September 2015 10:40 am

Phil008 email for the response you require, usually the persons full name or first name initials and usually hotmail, gmail, yahoo ? or outlook to start with, there are others but these are the usual ones. Eg nicholasfinney@or nfinney@or nhfinney@ try and you might find it easier than you think. Of course the other two have Parliamentary email addresses. Easily looked up. Looking forward to seeing your… Read more »

phil008
8, September 2015 10:05 pm

@tobytrams, many thanks i will try that, very interesting how you know mr finney has a h in his email address????? are you nick finney in hiding!!!!!!!!!!

castlewez
8, September 2015 10:46 pm

It’s simple: nhfinney AT gmail.com

Replace ” AT ” with “@”.

Drop him a line!

Tobytram
9, September 2015 9:10 am

Saw it in KILF face book. Read it very interesting I understand .i think we all know NF/CD postings

Tobytram
9, September 2015 9:20 am

Worth looking at Finney’s twitter page, musings of a very strange person, and by the way styles himself @nhfinney, worth looking at if he changes his email address or opens a new one due to weight of email traffic ! NB he is the FAT Controller, unknown the ‘ names’ of his partners in this tale ! !

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