Isle Of Wight Highways PFI Preferred Bidder Company Named

The companies that the council has chosen as its preferred bidder to carry out the 25-year contract on Island roads has been named.

As we disclosed on Twitter earlier, the council has named their preferred bidder for the Island’s roads PFI.

This in the council’s own words – Ed.

The Isle of Wight Council has chosen Vinci Concessions and Ringway as its Highway PFI partner.

The company – which already has strong links with the Island – was chosen by the council’s Cabinet last night (29 May) as partner for what will be the largest engineering project ever undertaken in the county.

Vinci Concessions designs, finances, builds and operates all kinds of public infrastructure world wide while Ringway is a market leader in the provision of highway related infrastructure services to local authorities throughout the UK. Ringway already carry out the Island’s winter maintenance contract.

Now this stage of the process has been reached, the full scope of the project – that involves university bursaries for future civil engineering students, schemes to stabilise highways that suffer ground movement and over 120 schemes to reduce highways flooding – can be detailed.

At the heart of the PFI project will be the comprehensive upgrade – and maintenance over 25 years – of the Island’s road, footway and cycleway network. Also included will be the council’s winter maintenance and roadside verge maintenance programmes as well as its street cleansing operations. The CCTV network will also be maintained and improved as will the Island’s street-lighting network with the installation of low-energy LED bulbs.

The project with Vinci not only includes proposals to keep open the highways at some of the Island’s most unstable stretches including the Military Road and Niton Undercliff, similar work to address movement affecting roads will also take place at around a dozen other locations.

There will also be at least 120 separate schemes across the Island to tackle stretches of highway prone to rainwater flooding.

In other aspects, the contract will introduce public waste bin receptacles that allow pedestrians to recycle their rubbish.

In order to maximise career opportunities for Islanders, Vinci Ringway will also sponsor a number of university bursaries for civil engineering students.

Under the agreement, Vinci must have regard for the contract’s carbon and water footprints. As well as the obvious environmental benefit of this approach the local economy also stands to be boosted significantly as it puts local businesses in prime position to provide materials and labour.

The PFI is financed in the main through a government grant – not a loan and therefore does not have to be repaid. The council will make an annual contribution which will be less than the sum it currently pays to provide the services that will in future be provided through the PFI.

Actual work will begin in April next year with the bulk of the Island’s roads upgraded within the first seven years – known as the core investment period.

Traditionally core investment periods are five years but the council has negotiated a longer period to seek to minimise disruption, particularly in the tourism season. Vinci will be required by the contract to minimise disruption and working overnight, when and where appropriate, will be a common feature of the Highways PFI.

Councillor Edward Giles, Isle of Wight Council cabinet member for highways and transport said: “All those who use Island roads will, I am sure, appreciate the need for this comprehensive upgrade. We are about to embark on a huge project that will leave the Island with a transport infrastructure of unprecedented quality.

“Now we have reached this stage and agreed a final business case we are able to say more about the nature of the work that the project involves. Announcements such as that around the highway stability and drainage work and the university bursaries hopefully begin to further illustrate the scope of this project and the varied benefits it will mean for the Island.

“This is a once in a lifetime project to give our roads network a complete overhaul and upgrade and to do so in a way that offers the best possible value to council taxpayers.”

Stuart Love, Isle of Wight Council director of economy and environment, said: “The procurement process has been a complex one but necessarily so as we have had to agree a long-term contract that represents the very best interest of road users and council tax payers. We now have a partner that, like the council, is totally committed to a project that will not only dramatically improve the transport infrastructure but which will do so in a way that benefits the local economy and is mindful of the local environment.”

Kevin Smith, chief executive of the Isle of Wight Chamber of Commerce, said: “I am delighted a scheme that stands to provide such a major boost to our economy has taken another big step forward.

“It is also pleasing that the preferred bidder has strong connection with the Island and, through that, understands what local business can offer.”

A spokesman for Vinci and Ringway added: “Vinci Concessions and Ringway are delighted to have been selected, by the Isle of Wight Council, as Preferred Bidder for the Isle of Wight Highways PFI on the Island.

“We look forward to working with the council to ensure we deliver a high quality, value-for-money service which meets the needs of local people and the Island’s economy.”


For reference, the road stabilisation schemes included in the Highways PFI are at:

Westhill Lane, Yarmouth, Lower Road, Adgestone, Duver Road, St Helens, Gills Cliff Road, Castle Court, Leeson Road and Whitwell Road at Ventnor, the urban footpaths south of La Falaise car Park and the Winter Gardens also at Ventnor. There will be further stability projects at the Old Access Road at Blackgang and the Terrace at Chale.

Any views or opinions presented in the comments below are solely those of the author and do not represent those of OnTheWight.

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Bluey

I am vehemently against the PFI method of carrying out any work, but I am now resigned to having it thrust on us (and paying for it into blue beyond). All I ask now is the that the work is done expeditiously with a good website showing us where the current work is, and where the well considered diversions are.

PFI Deny Deny
Spot the lie? I bet the local media don’t. Perhaps they can’t add up either. ‘Financed in the main through a government grant not a loan’ And the bursaries must be a bad joke? Throw a few kids a couple of grand a year and that’ll make everything OK? Not with me it wont. Amazed the Chamber of Commerce are supportive. They hate the council. No mention… Read more »
No.5

so we have privatised our roads in part to the cowboy company that cock up our roads every winter…brilliance

Paul Miller
“The PFI is financed in the main through a government grant – not a loan and therefore does not have to be repaid.” A bit cryptic to say the least. We have to define terms and terms like: “in the main” sound dodgy. For instance, does the grant require matched funding, for instance, which would “have to be repaid” in the sense of entailing economies elsewhere. I’m… Read more »
Julia Hill
“Vinci will be required by the contract to minimise disruption and working overnight, when and where appropriate, will be a common feature of the Highways PFI.” So, let me get this straight, the company that say’s there will be minimal disruption at night to residents of Arctic road Cowes from their proposed asphalt plant will be required, by contract, to work at night. How, pray tell, do… Read more »
keithybaby

This deal stinks, in more ways than one!

counciltackspayer

Absolutely agree. Not only does this deal stink in more ways than one but it looks dodgy whichever way you slice it. Poor and shabby heritage to leave the next generation

OBSERVER

I reckon this is also a project for the intelligencia of the VB namely Mr Starke and Playingthenumbers. Hopefully they will record the financial contributions – Government and Island – and give us, say, 6 monthly reports on its progress. Should make interesting reading.

Tanja Rebel
Yes, all of this stinks! We are on the way to sign a deal which will be a huge risk take, will cost us millions more a year and will lead to a stinking asphalt plant along the beautiful river Medina. The PFI is not a done deal yet, there are a few more crucial months left and we should protest loudly. Regarding the asphalt plant, there… Read more »
Billy Pitt
Eco Island – not cart track Island. We have an aging popuation so why are we wasting £millions on stupid cycle paths that ony a very few peope will ever use. None of the ‘right-on’ people seems to complain about that waste of money. All these ‘johnny come lately’ PFI knockers can always go back home to the mainland if they think the Island is going to… Read more »
greenfiremouse
Oh, what a surprise that it has turned out to be Vinci! Last week they were already cutting up trees on the site where the proposed asphalt plant is supposed to be. Who gives a damn about Planning procedures? So it’s not only a millstone around our necks for the next 25 years when the current traffic system will be preserved in aspic, but we will also… Read more »
Julia Hill

Greenfiremouse Please could you contact Wight Residents Against Asphalt regarding the tree cutting? This is a planning enforcement issue and needs to be pursued. Our email is wrapmedina@live.co.uk

playingthenumbers

Julia Hill, may I direct you to yesterday’s administrative court ruling by Mrs Justice Lang (she who ruled the IWC’s social care policy was unlawful).

Her obiter dicta whilst passing judgement included “government renewable energy targets do not have ‘primacy’ over local conservation policies”. The story is on the BBC (Norfolk), Telegraph, & planning resource websites, but the full transcript isn’t available yet.

PFI Deny Deny

The PFI boss of this charming firm was on Solent radio this morning. He slipped up by saying ‘WHEN’ the new tarmac plant is built instead of if.

Check with the radio news people if you don’t believe me.

Planning committee? Who needs one.

Onlooker

So… is this the same company who resurfaced Horsebridge Hill within the last two months and forgot/didnt bother to prepare the existing surface. Within 4 weeks the surface is already breaking up. Who pays for this?

greenfiremouse

No, the company originally responsible for resurfacing Horsebridge Hill (and a variety of other roads) was Kiely Bros Birmingham. Then a local contractor was brought in (Dempsey) to try and amend the damage, to little effect.

Lars Torders

So we now know who had the best envelope.

No to PFI

Vinci, nice to see it goes to a French company! Good old I W Council muppet show at its best. Why do we vote for these useless people?

daveq
The figures used do not make mathematical sense. The figure is called “a grant”, but as I understand it, this sum is spread over the 25 years ands will actually be deducted from the yearly grant given to the IWC by the governent,so in reality its not a grant at all. Then we, the taxpayers of of the Island still have to make our “contribution” each year… Read more »
playingthenumbers
Exactement DaveQ, as my NBF the French would say. I used to work for a demagogue, the kind who used to preach doctrines he knew to be untrue to people he thought were idiots. Now it looks like I’m working for a foreign Marshal plan +, whilst right here on my doorstep, UNICEF are claiming the coalition’s cuts is having a ‘catastrophic’ effect on child poverty, reversing… Read more »
playingthenumbers

Irony intended

Billy Pitt

As usual, a complete mis-representation of the facts. Why dont people who don’t understand the facts bother to find out the truth? I know, because it would undermine the rubbish they write here.

Mandy

Why dont all you PFI haters get a grip, you moan about the roads, yet you dont want them upgraded.

Do something else with you time.

playingthenumbers

Au contraire mon amie, Mandy. Moaning is a British pastime, peonage isn’t.

Democrat

Well said Mandy. All these PFI haters on here don’t have a clue what they are talking about. The figures they give are utter nonsense. Typical is dozey old Dave Q who as usual is spouting rubbish.The PFI grant is not deducted from other grants the council gets.It is a whole load of extra money that the council does not have to pay back to the government.

BigEars
Private Finance Initiative is not a grant. The money is not paid back to the Government. It is paid back, with interest, to the lender at a currently predicted rate of £8,300,000 per year. Further more, the lender can sell the loan on the open market. Out of this money, something like £3,500,000 will be spent on roads. The rest is paid to investors as interest. Further… Read more »
Billy Pitt

More complete rubbish

No.5

Well you can add the current government to that list. How anybody can fall for this councils propaganda without doing any research themselves is beyond me

playingthenumbers
I think you may have strayed over the line of accuracy. It has already been confirmed that the millions of pounds worth of assorted grants in the form of maintenance/capital funding blocks the council receives from central gov annually will be absorbed in to the PFI grant, (we wont be getting them, when we have PFI). To be fair, Stuart Love did insist that the PFI credit… Read more »
Democrat

Complete and utter twaddle from Playingthenumbers!

Y's 1

A good clue to the value of the PFI was the fact that when central government spending was cut, this PFI wasn’t.

Mandy

You don’t realise how pathetic you sound.

playingthenumbers

Une jeunesse que l’avenir inquiète trop souvent?

OBSERVER

un peu trop sophistique pour madame Mandy

Lars Torders

So it’s pathetic to moan about something you don’t like, but it is not pathetic for you, Mandy, to moan about something you don’t like, i.e. the people that moan in the first place.

Using that logic, you’d better take your own advice and find something better to do with your time.

Mandy

Its a real shame you can’t see the good this will do for the Island.

If you only knew what you were talking about.

Lars Torders

So you didn’t take your own advice then, and find something better to do with your time?

No.5

what is a real shame is that people like yourself have not made the effort to find out what PFI really is and just follow the tory propaganda lie

No wonder we keep electing idiots to run our council

Miffed

Well at least by giving Vinci the job, the IWC is doing their ‘bit’ to help prop up the euro.

major issue

I suggest the residents of Ccwes read the information on Asphalt plants and the Danger of Cancers caused by Asphalt.Then think is Councillor Giles the the best person to vote for in 2013.

Simon Perry

Do you have some links on it that you could share?

Green Goblin
Well said Mandy, this PFI is the best thing to happen to the island in years. It is a grant and isnt repayable, it will create jobs, will bring investment to the island, improve every road, although the parent company VINCI is french, Ringway is an english company. When the goverment made spending reductions this PFI was reduced in value, the tarmac plant wouldnt be hazardous to… Read more »
No.5

dear god..another one. No wonder this council got elected.

Please do yourself a favour and have a look at what PFI really is rather than spout the councils propaganda…its not a grant and it does have to be paid for.

Try reading this and learn at little

http://www.iaindale.com/posts/if-were-concerned-about-the-legacy-were-leaving-our-children

No.5

oh here is the key quote if you can’t be bothered to read it

“In the current context of very low bond yields, the gap between the cost of conventional funding and PFI has widened even further: PFI costs the taxpayer twice as much. Hence the conclusion that PFI in its current form shouldn’t be used.”

No.5

sorry ..just shocked that people can so easily be misled

another quote

“The Daily Telegraph meanwhile used Freedom of Information requests to show that more than 900 schemes have been completed with a total capital value of £56bn – yet the amount the taxpayer will have to repay currently stands at £229bn due to accumulated interest.”

we are being conned

playingthenumbers
Those assertions Green Goblin as my funny old gran would say, are a load of old tom tit. The UK’s Health & Safety Executive, have a report, “Cancer risk following exposure to polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs): a meta-analysis.” Within this report they state, “The larger unit relative risk (URRs) in other industries, in particular asphalt and chimney sweeping, could not be due to chance”. The cancers they… Read more »
The Parson
Just over a year ago we tried to buy about 5 tons of road planings from the council,but were told no we can’t have any of that material as it is classed as carsogenic(think it’s spelt that way),now this material has been lying around for about 10 years which makes it at least 15 years old,if this material is un useable because of it’s effects how can… Read more »
Mandy

Finally….some positive points of view.

Black Dog
I fail to see why we need Vinci Concessions as well as Ringway. Clearly and as their name suggests, they are a concessions outfit i.e. running tolls on bridges. They appear to be a go-between for PFI contracts – Providing nothing to the cause. Extract from their website: “VINCI Concessions is Europe’s leading operator of transport infrastructure concessions (motorways, tunnels, bridges, car parks, airports and light rail… Read more »
Braveheart

Although the following links have no direct connection to the PFI, they do have some bearing on the new proposed Asphalt Plant which will work in conjunction with the consequence of its receipt:-
http://www.bredl.org/pdf/factsheet-asphaltplants.pdf
http://www.setonresourcecenter.com/MSDS_Hazcom/NJ_RTK/0170.pdf

Democrat

I have been told that Geoff Lumley said last night that he supported the PFI.If he is now in favour (I think he was previously against) and can see the benefits it will bring to the Island it seems strange that his sympathisers on here are not following his lead.

Tanja Rebel
So where are your counter arguments, Billy Pitt? Saying it is all rubbish is very easy. As for Eco-island versus cart track island: If we want to attract younger people to this island then good cycle links are essential. Older people can benefit as well – electric bikes are always an option. Forward is not always better, in fact some cart tracks and a bit more horse… Read more »
Democrat

Tanja, what do you make of Geoff Lumley giving his support to the PFI?

Tanja Rebel
To Democrat: That is Geoff’s choice. However, having listened to him at the Cabinet Meeting his support was very tentative and he wanted to see safeguards in place where it would be possible along the way to opt out if things went wrong. By the sound of it Geoff was worried that it all would go wrong and he is right to be worried. PFI constitutes a… Read more »
Democrat

Indeed it is his choice but it must be extremely upsetting to you that with Geoff backing the scheme pretty well all councillors appear to be in support.

change the record
cycle tracks… again. Theres already 200 miles worth on the island, along with country lanes and bridle paths. Public transport needs an infrastructure to run, and unless you seriously propose building something new from scratch, which would cost ridiculous amounts far in exess of the apparent savings cancelling the PFI would generate, the road network is the only way, and needs serious upgrading. No-one can say the… Read more »
Concerned
I find it quite ironic that the Boy Blunder continues to remain conspicuous by the absence of comment from him. Historically Pugh would have something to say just about any and every thing. Could it be that he is waiting for divine intervention? or is it the infighting at Tory HQ on the Island pre-occupying him? or is it the fact that Bob B is running for… Read more »
change the record

perhaps he has better things to do than engage with idiots who slag him off.

This is about highways, not pugh. We want good roads, not soundbites from the leader

Concerned
Goodness me, I have clearly touched a nerve. THIS is all about leadership. Where does the buck stop if things go wrong (other than with islanders?) Strong and credible leadership is necessary and fewer DELEGATED DECISIONS (Why do the council debate trivial matters and yet delegate decisions that look to spend millions?) In my opinion Delegated Decisions attempt to move the responsibility away from Pugh (or the… Read more »
change the record
if its about leadership, then talk about leadership. “The Boy Blunder” is not a respectful term, neither is stating that he is playing computer games in council meetings. Strike respect… try common good manners. Be polite about him and you might get somewhere. Have a dig at him and he will rightly ignore the moronic comments you have made about him. Theres no need for the snide… Read more »
Concerned
Oh Dear Ever ready with the defence of the indefensibly. Clearly your use of the term Idiot is a favoured one. Idiots are generally ill-informed (I am extremely well informed – The Boy Blunder is probably looking to identify me right now) I simply state facts. Can you confirm that Pugh does not spend time on his notebook during meetings both private and public? Perhaps you can… Read more »
Tanja Rebel
Dear Change the Record, Okay, as yet we need roads for cars and we will for quite a while yet, so perhaps I should not have used the world obsolete just yet. However, the fact that there are still so many cars on the roads whilst we are facing an ecological crisis as well as reaching the peak oil stage is a clear sign that we are… Read more »
change the record
so now you can predict the future? neccesity is the mother of invention, and invention is the mother of neccessity. When oil runs out, it will be neccessary to invent something new. Until then it wont happen… unless someone invents something new which is significantly cheaper and more reliable than the car. That is extremely unlikely, and if it did happen, roads would still be needed, as… Read more »
Braveheart

Tanja, here is a link to greener ways of building car engines:-
http://www.electriccarsplace.co.uk/

Braveheart
Braveheart
No.5

These council sheep who have jumped into the affray proclaiming support for PFI are no better than Flat Earthers who refuse to see the evidence before their eyes or creationists who believe the world is 40,000 years old despite massive evidence to the contrary.

Tanja Rebel
Dear Change the Record, I cannot predict the future, but I can see that oil is running out already now. Even if we find more, it is getting harder and harder to extract and we are resorting to more and more desperate measures. Oil is on the way out, it is as simple as that. Regardless of this, it is sad if necessity is the only driver… Read more »
change the record

yet you say clearly “inside ten years time…”
neither you nor I know how long oil will last.

The neccessity to change might already be here, but the impetus is not. that impetus will be financial. money makes the world go round.

Wighty wight
Oil is a finite resource… Period. Argue as much as you like about the end of oil date but if we are to see thousands of future years, maybe hundreds of thousands of future years, possibly millions ….just what do you think you/we are leaving behind for those future generations? Already the last hundred years or so, alone, has depleted this resource and you/we are arrogant enough… Read more »
Hermit

I would imagine it’s less than 100 years of oil left, we’ve passed peak production so that would mean less than 50% of oil left in the ground, we’ve been using for just over 100 tears, it will be unaffordable in less than that, so not long now

change the record
theres no arrogance here. I know full well that oil is running out. My point is that to change the current system, we need a bit more than some wishy washy environmentailsim and talk about new cycle paths. Money makes the world go round, simple as that. Make it financially inviable for people to use cars and they wont use them. Tell them that its good for… Read more »
peaceul_life
@Change the record… It’s a common misconception that we will simply technologically ‘invent’ our way out of this predicament to maintain the status quo of complex industial lifestyle. Here’s the rub….energy begets technology, not, the other way round, we have an extremely intercative and interdependent globalised trade, infrastructure, transportation, agricultural, pharmaceutical, communications, economical (etc etc etc, I could go on…..) systems, and all of it underpinned by… Read more »
change the record
god almighty. How can so many people willfully misunderstand the fact that oil is what we got now, and until it runs out its very likely nothing will change, however much good sense change makes. I dont dispute the environmental aspect (other than the need to cover half the countryside in tarmac so a few people can ride bikes – it wont encourage more people to do… Read more »
witchfinder general
Why do people keep rattling on about bicyles. If the roads are pothole free they can ride on those. Also if the lumps and bumps are gone I might be able to get the V8 up to full throttle without taking off, before I get stuck behind a nissan micra. Another thing you are all forgetting are trunk roads which are maintained by central government, in a… Read more »
Tanja Rebel
Dear Change the Record and Witchfinder, We need cyclepaths because that provides an incentive for people to bike in peace from traffic hazards, air pollution and noise pollution. It will also attract more cycle tourism and make it possible for the island to advertise itself even more as a cycle destination. Whatever you say, cycling on roads with the current mentality of driving is dangerous and moreover… Read more »
change the record
you seem to think that saying it will make it happen. It wont. I cant put it any more simple than that. Personally speaking, i find pretty much all of your posts highly arrogant. You assume because you think it, others should too. The world dont work like that. People have different opinions and repeating yourself over and over will not change minds. Provide some well researched… Read more »
Zanna

Well said Tanja.
I completely agree with what you say and really appreciate the effort and time you put in to speak some sense to our council.
Really concerned about the comment that mentions that trees are already being cut down in the area of the proposed asphalt plant. Would be good to hear what the council have to say about that.

Tanja Rebel
Oh and Change the record, all cyclepaths don’t need to be tarmac. Good hardened surfaces that are maintained will generally suffice. I am already talking to the Council at in principal every Council, Cabinet and most Scrutiny Meetings, but as yet to no avail as they are still living in the old mindset. Of course the roads need to be upkept, I don’t think anyone is disputing… Read more »
Democrat

Tanja, what has happened to your chums Steve Goodman and Mike Starke? They used to have lots of nonsense to spout on here about the PFI. Have they realised they have lost the argument or have they, like Geoff Lumley, suddenly accepted they were wrong and are now backing the PFI?

major issue

Democrat hopefully Messrs Goodman and Starke have moved on and will be concentrating their efforts on the Minister responsible for this lunatic P.F.I. it can still be stopped. why any sane Government would even consider this scheme I just do not understand.

No.5

Its not the Tory government that are the problem..they KNOW PFI is flawed…its our very own Tory Council which has the problem

Steve Goodman
D: no need for us to say what PTN & others are already saying here. But thank you for the opportunity to keep this important issue live by pointing out that what you call nonsense in your world, we call well-documented serious concerns about the folly of paying far too much to get a job done properly. Our world is also inhabited by the likes of Parliament’s… Read more »
Ryde a Wight Swan
Perhaps if cyclists were a bit more consideate of the highway code we drivers would give them a bit more consideration. And as for the “build it and they will come” attitude to cyclepaths you should come and see a particular section of the A27 I drive every day in Portsmouth. Its a dual carriage way with a wide pavement adjacent. Portsmouth council have partitioned half the… Read more »
KT

It would be nice to see the pavements done at the same time with more drop curbs.
Crossing in Wootton not able to use due to the pavement slanting towards the road making my wheelchair slide in to the road. many other places on the Island I have to go in the road as there is no drop kerbs one day it may happen

greenfiremouse
Before this discussion gets too personal, I would just like you to appreciate what the time span of 25 years can actually mean with regard to technology. I can’t predict the future, but I can look back 25 years, which would put us in the year 1987. OK, there hasn’t been any huge technological progress on the traffic front since, but who could have predicted what has… Read more »
Tanja Rebel
Well said, Greenfiremouse! None of us can predict the future, but we know it is going to change substantially, perhaps even beyond recognition. If we take action now,we can even shape it in a more desirable direction, which in my view should be green and humane. Change the Record, arrogance is assuming we know it all, I don’t assume that. I cannot give you facts and figures… Read more »
peaceul_life
@changetherecord. I have talked to the council, I have put THE (not my) point across. With regard to evidence, I did say I’m happy to provide links, incendentally…this is nothing personal, it’s simply the way it is. http://www.feasta.org/documents/risk_resilience/Tipping_Point.pdf An in-depth analysis. http://www.ukerc.ac.uk/support/Global%20Oil%20Depletion Current and precise. http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/ Taking the ideological philosophy out of the argument, it’s simply physics. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOMWzjrRiBg Energy literacy, an erudite run through. You are of… Read more »
change the record
well i asked for evidence that creating more cycle paths would actually get people out of cars and onto bikes… Oil will run out. Thats blatently obvious. When it does, things will change. They wont change before then because its not neccessary. There is nothing forcing anyone to change. Where is the evidence that cyclepaths actually work in this country? Other countries have other mentalities. To get… Read more »
Tanja Rebel
Dear Democrat, My “chums” Mike and Steve do not spout out nonsense. On the contrary, they are highly informed on the topic. They are not wishy-washy opportunists and stand just as firm as always. However, sometimes silence speaks more than words… By the way, I am not implying here that Geoff Lumley is an opportunist. He normally stands firm too and I don’t know the reason why… Read more »
BigEars
Spending money to extend the existing road system is entirely irrational when the requirements are about to change dramatically and in an unpredictable way. In the next ten years autonomously driven cars will start becoming the norm. Why? > Because it is technically practical. > Because you don’t have to park it. > It is cheap to hire because there is no driver to pay. > Because… Read more »
Ryde a Wight Swan
Sorry but what planet are you on Bigears? technically preactical is a million miles away from economically/socially practical. Just face it rightly or wrongly you will not get people out of their own personal cars. Look at emerging economies like China, everyone had a bike and cycled to work, now they have/want cars and sit for hours on end in traffic jams. Will they go back to… Read more »
BigEars

Really? Thanks for putting me right. By the way, you may need to mention this to one or two companies that are also betting that I am right. Among them BMW, Google, Microsoft, VW, Volvo.

No one will tell you to get out of your car. It will be the practical thing to do. As for technically practical, it’s already a done deal.

peaceul_life

There are nigh on 7 gallons of oil concumed in the production of one tyre, we can fly to the moon…yet we cannot recycle a tyre back into a tyre.

Don’t hold your breath on the brilliance of invention ;-0)

No.5

After Volvos recent successful experiment they are predicting it being available and the norm in a decade

Sally Perry

So long as this doesn’t happen …

Scene from Total Recall (not work safe)

BigEars

Cripes, Sal! That’s how I drive at the moment. You can see why I need a self-driving car.

Tanja Rebel
Dear Change the Record, Your way of debating is interesting. I will not call you arrogant, for I do not know you and you are hiding behind a pseudonym – as so many do who choose to target others by their name. However, may I point out that your tone comes across as somewhat arrogant itself? I do not regard my ideas as “superior”. Moreover, many of… Read more »
peaceul_life

@changetherecord.

I think you’re missing the point here my friend.
It’s no longer about what’s wanted,it’s about what’s needed.

Read the content of those links I provided, oil will not run out, humans ability to extract it.. in such volumes… to sustain such numbers will run out.

The Chinese will be back on their bikes when their bubble bursts too.

playingthenumbers
PFI lovers, I don’t share your aspiration to change anyone’s mind on PFI, you have obviously been (bought &) sold on the idea. However, I would appreciate it if you could drill down your arguments for the project with some detail, rather than just restating how great it is & that there is no viable alternative. Personally like many other readers of VB I suppose would like… Read more »
No.5

Picture ‘PFI Fan’ with fingers in ears go blah blah blah blah

peaceul_life

Has anyone actually bothered to look at the lineage of Vinci, and who actually owns it?

Have a look, first click is Vivendi,then see where it takes you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinci_(construction)#cite_note-19

ps…the ‘critisism’ on the first page is worth a glance.

no.5
A fullpage ‘add’ from Vicci in the CP today which laughingly states the £260MILLION investment is a grant not a loan and in the very next statement says the council will have to pay £7million year back…..How can they just be allowed to continue this lie…itseither a grant ( which it isn’t) or a loan (which it is) Surely even the most simpleton Tory can see this… Read more »
The Parson

N.5 IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THESE PERSONS IN FAVOUR OF THS PFI THINK THE £7 MILLION IS JUST THE ONE PAYMENT AND THAT IS IT,NOTHING ELSE TO PAY,HAVE THEY GOT A SHOCK COMMING TO THEM.

no.5

yes they have £7million a year less to look forward too

Read that stupid full page add in The CP on Friday from Vicci. They state that it is not a loan and there is nothing to repay…a paragraph later they say it will cost the council £7million a year + interest…….an idiot couldn’t make this up

Mandy

The 7million is the Councils contribution towards this PFI…..do you not understand that?

The Parson
Mandy + the other PFI lovers, one day you will catch on to the lies from the council,7 million is the lowest estimate banded by them or it could be 8 or 9 million they can’t seem to make up their minds. As an ex-council employee they have never spent 7 million on the roads in one year,if they had the roads would not be in the… Read more »
no.5

clearly you don’t Mandy…where does the 7 million come from..its not a gift….and if it is a grant ..why does the council have to pay £7 million a year back…

You really need to take a bit more time researching things before you sheeplike cow to this council

theholyneutron

I find sheep-like cows both worrying and confusing, this is surely genetic meddling gone mad?

Cynic
Buried at the bottom of p.33 in this week’s CP is a small article headed “Highways PFI company set to be approved”. It does not appear on the CP website. The IoW Council is calling an extraordinary meeting on August 22nd asking the full council to approve a Cabinet recommendation to appoint VINCI Concessionaires as the contractor for the PFI on Island Roads. the contract will last… Read more »
Steve Goodman
Not buried at all in the latest Private Eye (1319) is the lead item in on why taxpayers are being ripped off by having to pay for the “totally discredited” (George Osbourne!) use of PFI scams like the council’s preferred choice of road maintenance. (Their previous choice being to drasticly reduce road maintenance spending, as reported by VB, and now to spend lots more just before the… Read more »
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