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Jonathan Dodd: Evolution doesn’t change

Jonathan Dodd’s latest column. Guest opinion articles do not necessarily reflect the views of the publication. Ed


I’ve been to Café Scientifique again. This time the talk was about ‘Evolution by Natural Selection’. It was packed. The thing about these talks is that you might imagine they would be as dry as dust, and as dead as the fossils this particular talk was about, but you’d be dead wrong. Maybe I’m lucky, because the two talks I’ve been to see were both electric, funny, and immensely enjoyable. I rather think this is typical, rather than the exception.

This time, the talk was given by Dr Neil Gostling, a Senior Teaching Fellow from the department of Biological Sciences at Southampton University. He’s a rather jolly man, with a booming voice and an all-encompassing passion for his subject. He had us from the moment he took his jacket off. I wanted to be a Biological Sciences student immediately.

The lovely grinning joy in their faces when they talk about it
I’ve always been an enthusiasm junkie. I love listening to anyone who has a passion, because when they talk about their favourite subject, the thing that makes it their passion comes right at you in the words they’re saying, and the lovely grinning joy in their faces when they talk about it. Dr Neil has this in spades. His real purpose was to explain, in a way that we would really understand, what exactly Evolution is, and what it’s not. I believe I got that, and I’m going to try to explain it in the way I understood myself. And I hope I get it right, or at least not tragically wrong.

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Here’s what I can remember, in a nutshell. The Earth is about 4.5 billion years old. Once it was solid, with a crust, rather than liquid, life got going. We were lucky that way, because of all the possibilities for life or for no life, a combination of physics and chemistry formed basic organisms, which were single-celled and lived in the water, and didn’t do anything much at all for the next 3 billion years.

An evolutionary roller-coaster
Then something spectacular happened to the planet. We don’t know what it was, but it made the surface much more volatile and unpredictable, and the organisms began an evolutionary roller-coaster. The first big idea of the evening was that evolution only happens when things change. That makes sense. Nobody bothers to make huge changes when there’s nothing happening and no pressure to change. It all kicks off when something appears that forces change along.

Evolution of plants

Some of the basic, very small round one-celled organisms became very small round spiky one-celled organisms. And then they began to join together, or split, and they became lots of different shapes and sizes. They didn’t just spontaneously do this. Something changed in their environment, and organisms with one particular trait were able to survive better, in larger numbers, than those without. When the environment kept changing, or changed in many different ways in many different places, different versions survived and thrived.

It’s only important when things change
That isn’t such a big idea though. The thing I had to realise was that it doesn’t just happen that all the organisms were born with a spike or better teeth or whatever. Because all organisms in a population aren’t identical, some do better, and some don’t. If your chief predator chases you on the ground, you’re more likely to survive if you can climb the trees. Eventually, all the members of your species that can climb trees will be able to share the space with these predators. Non-climbers will be eaten before they have babies.

goat in tree

Over a period of time this is what Evolution does. If you’re born with something that helps, you’re more likely to breed. If your offspring share that, they’re more likely to breed too. That’s what it’s all about. It’s all in the ability to survive through having babies. And it’s only important when things change. Dr Neil told us about a scientist who’s been breeding E Coli microbes. These are tiny, and reproduce five times a day. He’s been saving some from each batch for years, and he has 65,000 generations. Every now and then he takes a batch and messes with their environment, changing their nutrition. Every time he does this, most of them die off, but some survive, and they breed ferociously, until there are just as many, which become perfectly adapted to the new environment.

Evolution isn’t a thing, it’s just a process
Evolution, as I discovered, is not about me changing myself to fit the environmental conditions, it’s about me being comfortable enough in these conditions to survive long enough to have babies. Once I’ve done that, my usefulness to the race is finished, apart from helping my children to survive long enough to have their own children. Evolution isn’t a thing, it isn’t alive, it doesn’t care about any particular species or individuals, it’s just a process, and it works perfectly.

giraffe eating berries

I learned a couple of scientific laws at school, which I’ve forgotten. But I remember what a law is. It describes something that will always happen in a specific circumstance. Evolution is one of those laws. When your environment changes in any way, it will benefit some populations and harm others. There’s a lot of discussion about the things we’re doing to the world and ourselves. They fall into the concept of Evolution in exactly the same way as volcanoes or asteroids do. Something changes, and the population adapts.

We don’t know what’s going to happen
When we make medicine that allows people to live rather than to die, we’re changing the environment, and those people can reproduce too. If those changes remain in place, and nothing else happens to upset that balance, they will survive and breed quite happily. Something quite unrelated might come along and upset the environment in another way, and that’ll cause some of us to have better chances of having successful children, or worse. We don’t know what’s going to happen, and we can only try to be one step ahead, or manage to get around the problem.

statue of charles darwin

All this sounds rather cruel and depressing, but it isn’t. Darwin, as Dr Neil said, didn’t coin the phrase ‘Survival of the Fittest’. That was Herbert Spencer. Darwin never cared much for basic rules of the jungle thinking. Dr Neil said that if Darwin were here today he would understand and encourage our efforts to intervene to save children and give people a better way of life and better chances of survival, because he was a good and kind man. He lost his eldest daughter to illness, and he worked incredibly hard to save her. Had they lived now, she would have survived.

It was just the exceptions that survived
The mistake most of us make when we think about Evolution is that we place our own values on it. We feel that Evolution is supposed to be looking out for us, or that we shouldn’t mess around too much with it. We think that our own meddling is somehow outside the ‘natural’ forms of selection, rather than another variation in the types of environmental change that are already there.

Lichte_en_zwarte_versie_berkenspanner

Dr Neil showed us pictures of a moth, which likes to live on Silver Birch trees, and is a very pleasing dusty white colour. 250 years ago, these moths turned black. That was because the trees turned black with all the industrial smoke we started making, and the white ones were eaten because they stood out. Only the few black ones survived, and they bred very fast. Then we had the Clean Air Acts 60 years ago, and the trees became clean again, so now all the black ones were eaten quickly, and the white ones became plentiful again. They didn’t change their colour, it was just the exceptions that survived, in both cases.

We actually have no idea what’s going to happen
Whether or not we’re doing terrible things to the environment and ourselves, or whether we’re going to be able to turn things around before it’s too late, is up to us. Whatever we do, Evolution will keep on working, because it’s just a name for the process of survival in the face of environmental changes. During the question-and-answer session afterwards, someone asked whether we should be thinking ahead and trying to anticipate what may happen. Dr Neil answered this and all the other questions very thoughtfully and honestly.

dry river bed in scotland

He said that his subject looks backwards because that’s where the evidence is, and we’re still building up a detailed picture of what happened. There are many holes in our knowledge. He said that we actually have no idea what’s going to happen, so it’s difficult to predict and prepare for specific changes. He said that there are scientists who are working on the future, as far as they can tell what is likely to happen. There’s lots of work, for instance, to breed vegetable varieties that will thrive in the warmer climate we’re likely to live in. Other scientists are trying to help desalinate sea water efficiently, because there’s probably going to be a shortage of fresh water. Even the efforts to populate other planets will provide new environments and changes to our chances of survival. But through all of this, Evolution will be working in exactly the same way as it always has.

We have the power to destroy so much
As humans, we do a lot of heart-searching about our responsibility towards ourselves and other species and the planet. We do so partly because we have the intelligence and ingenuity to do so, but mostly because we have the power to destroy so much. The planet has already gone through enormous mass-extinctions several times. 99% of all species that ever lived are extinct. We don’t want to be the cause of so many more extinctions, but we’re doing precious little to save a huge number of animals and plants. It may be that we’re doing ourselves damage by letting them go.

Pile of bison skulls

There’s a scene in one of my favourite films – The Fugitive. Tommy Lee Jones plays the US Ranger pursuing Harrison Ford, and traps him in a tunnel near the top of a dam. Harrison Ford’s character says – “I’m innocent!” The Ranger, replies – ‘I don’t care!” That’s how I feel about Evolution. It’s a constant we can rely on to keep working whatever we say or do. It doesn’t care. If your species can keep reproducing, it will survive, and it will change over time. If not, it won’t. So we need to keep being very sure-footed, like mountain goats, in a biological way. Or we need to stop making changes willy-nilly to our environment, so everything can settle down for a while.

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ABC
15, February 2011 9:29 am

This is a win-win result for the Island but for Andrew to claim it as a victory for the OneWight campaign is stretching credulity to its limits. Throughout, that campaign was for one MP – probably because no-one ever thought we would get two without sharing one with the mainland. Anyone willing to bet against Andrew standing down at the next election – unable to face the… Read more »

Stewart Blackmore
Reply to  ABC
15, February 2011 9:33 am

Who will the Conservative Association adopt as their candidate for the new Consituency? My bet is that the short list will be very short indeed and then Islanders can realy use their votes to this Council and Government what they think opf the cuts. DP perhaps?

no.5
Reply to  ABC
15, February 2011 9:38 am

Correct for Turner to claim this a victory is ridiculous…they campaigned for one MP for the Island.

Lords voted an amendement yesterday ti increase the varience on the 76,000 by 5% to 7.5% which brings us even closer to qualifying for 2 MPs as a right

no.5
Reply to  no.5
15, February 2011 9:41 am

BTW..that was a Labour peers amendment.

Turner achieved nothing except wasting time and money better spent on campaigning for democracy instead of against it

Don Smith
Reply to  ABC
15, February 2011 12:58 pm

OneWight lost and andrew should apologise. He’s done a double ‘U’ turn. He and his pals never wanted two MPs for the IoW. Victory for TwoWight.

Vix
Reply to  Don Smith
15, February 2011 3:44 pm

Absolutely. When I was accosted and refused to sign the OneWight petition because I preferred to campaign for 2 MPs, I was told ‘well you can’t – that isn’t going to happen’ and looked at in disgust.
This is a victory for those of us who for a year have said that two MPs is the only way!

DH
Reply to  Vix
15, February 2011 4:12 pm

I totally agree. I believe the Island needed two MPs whether thet were both on the Island or one from the mainland I wasnt fussed. The clue was in the name of the campign and when I spoke to someone asking for my signature, they said we were looking for one MP to represent the Island not two.

Darran
15, February 2011 10:06 am

Yay!

Lilly
15, February 2011 10:15 am

Double helpings of what we’ve already got would make anyone sick! Imagine a familiar blue creature arising from its winter hibernation to hear the sound of a chainsaw slicing through wood. The true blue creature emerges to find its woodland habitat completely destroyed by the butchers weilding their chainsaws. Strange how familiar those butchers are, ah yes its their very own boys in blue, Andrew Turner and… Read more »

ML
15, February 2011 10:50 am

A victory for the Isle of Wight electorate but Andrew Turner’s claims are both hypocritical and ridiculous. He campaigned for “one Island – one MP”. When I spoke to him he was totally uninterested in two MP’s.
It has been left to a few individuals to speak up for fair representation on the Island.

montana sliver
15, February 2011 11:02 am

Turner thinks we are fools, whereas we know he is one.
This is making him look even more of a laughing stock than usual, and that takes some doing!

montana sliver
15, February 2011 11:12 am

Oh I do hope they put Pugh up as a candidate for the other island seat, what an opportunity that would be for us to cut the arrogant brat down to size for once and for all.

Don Smith
Reply to  montana sliver
16, February 2011 12:46 pm

Pugh would get elected – I have said it many times: This is Tory island.

Postal votes and the votes from all the nursing home residents see to that. It need sorting.
The old are very vunerable.

Matt
15, February 2011 11:30 am

Very good point actually-especially if he were standing in East Wight. I very much doubt that he could be council leader and parliamentary candidate at the same time-also his tantrums and behaviour would count very much against him!!
Personally, I don’t think he’d have the guts to stand on the IOW as MP.

m butcher
15, February 2011 11:48 am

Ithink the lib dems might have blown there chances We now have to find a person who lives on Island.And will represent it, and not just tow the party line.

Steephill Jack
Reply to  m butcher
15, February 2011 2:02 pm

What we need is an Island resident who stands as an independent candidate. Better still would be two of them.

Andrew
15, February 2011 12:05 pm

Oh dear, Mr Pugh will be loving this and I daresay he might even manage to get voted in too!

Gloria
15, February 2011 12:10 pm

Well done Andrew – you made parliament see sense. Like others, I do hope that dreadful Master Pugh will not dare to stand as a candidate but I suspect he finds this all very exciting. We shall see.

Karena
15, February 2011 12:13 pm

Really great news. 2 PM’s is the best possible outcome with 1.5 coming second. Both being better than just 1.
This is a great leap forward for the island whose votes will then (in 2015) be fairly represented.

stig o'hara
15, February 2011 12:30 pm

I doubt Pugh has much chance as a prospective MP here and will run off to another constituency as soon as he can. The real worry is that the person who apparently craves the role of MP is apparently the Cabinet member for Transport, Edward Giles.

gordon bennett
Reply to  stig o'hara
15, February 2011 4:28 pm

God help us if this comes true

no.5
Reply to  gordon bennett
15, February 2011 4:46 pm

only if we elect him

no.5
Reply to  stig o'hara
15, February 2011 4:47 pm

it will be down to the electorate who represents us

Edward Giles
Reply to  stig o'hara
15, February 2011 5:44 pm

A colleague has just drawn my attention to Stig’s comment at 12.30. Like so much of what appears on this blog it bears no relation to the truth. I have absolutely no wish to be MP for either of the IW constituencies (or indeed anywhere else).

hmmm
Reply to  Edward Giles
15, February 2011 6:07 pm

glad you cleared that up. we have no wish for you to be our MP either. As for what appears on this blog, the stories are always accurate. The comments are often opinion. Please, if you see a comment that you feel is wrong, post your own view. People on here want reasoned sensible debate, the more councillors on here putting forth their own views, the more… Read more »

Steephill Jack
Reply to  Edward Giles
15, February 2011 9:02 pm

If you are County Councillor Edward Giles with responsibility for our libraries then you should have been at Quay Arts this evening where a presentation was made as to how our branch libraries could be saved by reducing central costs. Your name was mentioned but you were somewhere else reading VB (who organised the meeting)so you don’t know how it might be done here as it has… Read more »

gill
Reply to  Steephill Jack
15, February 2011 9:08 pm

Edward does not have responsibility for libraries, he has responsibility for loo’s. I had a meeting with him the other week and I do not give praise easily but I was impressed with him. He listened, he asked the right questions and since the meeting has been helpful.

Black Dog
Reply to  gill
15, February 2011 11:34 pm

Not quite what I heard. Edward Giles did not appear to be aware of his own programme. Not very good!

Ray
15, February 2011 1:08 pm

The new MP will have to be elected, lets just hope the Island electorate doesn’t vote in a Tory or Liberal. They are making a shambles of running the country, and the Island so far!

Don Smith
Reply to  Ray
16, February 2011 1:00 pm

Forget party politics – Vote for a person who would have the interests of the islanders at
heart – Far to much emphasis is placed on following the party line.

TwoWight at long last!

jackie
15, February 2011 1:11 pm

Briliant, as long as it’s not another bloody tory

Smoke and Mirrors
15, February 2011 1:19 pm

I think that Geoff Lumley should put himself forward as a candidate in the next General Election, he seems a caring Councillor who has a passion for the island and it’s residents.

It would be good to get a “yin and yang” political balance on the island instead of “one party” politics.

My vote goes to Geoff, what say you?

suzan carr
Reply to  Smoke and Mirrors
15, February 2011 2:34 pm

Yes Geoff Lumley is just what this Island needs, but I dont think there is much chance of getting what I wish for !

no.5
Reply to  suzan carr
15, February 2011 4:47 pm

I would back Geoff Lumley as well

hazel wyld
Reply to  no.5
15, February 2011 6:08 pm

me too..but then again he did say he had no ambition to be an MP when I once told him he should stand..how about a change of heart Geoff?

Don Smith
Reply to  Smoke and Mirrors
16, February 2011 1:20 pm

I agree and Mark Chiverton would also be an ideal candidate.

Pity they are both members of the Labour party and that has never been the flavour of the day on the IoW.

Steephill Jack
15, February 2011 2:06 pm

I don’t suppose we will go back to the old division of West Medine and East Medine because the consituencies will be based on population.
But it would be interesting if Andrew Turner had HMP Isle of Wight in his constituency as he just voted against prisoners having a vote.

Jane K
15, February 2011 2:23 pm

Great work Andrew. The campaign worked!

no.5
Reply to  Jane K
16, February 2011 1:32 pm

no it didn’t we are getting two MP’s

Esther Cowsley
15, February 2011 3:10 pm

May referendum here we come….I hope the Island turns out to vote yes to A.V so in future every vote counts…..maybe that way we will see two people we actually want representing us in power.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/interactive/2010/may/10/proportional-representation-alternative-vote-plus

no.5
Reply to  Esther Cowsley
15, February 2011 4:49 pm

AV is a waste of time and money…why go to all the trouble to replace FPTP with a system that is just as flawed …it no good LibDems trying to pretend that ‘every vote will count’ it won’t…its not PR and is as far from it as FPTP

Paul Miller
Reply to  no.5
15, February 2011 7:01 pm

Of course ‘every vote counts’ in an AV election – because if the voter puts down all the preferences they are entitled then their vote has to be backing one or either of the two leading candidates at the final count. If you don’t understand that [see elections in Australia since 190something] I suggest you vote ‘don’t know’ on the ballot in May

Esther Cowsley
Reply to  no.5
16, February 2011 10:48 am

No.5, This is one package, if people want 2 MPs they will need to vote yes to AV. The commons use a form of AV, Labour and other parties use a form of AV. Labour argue that AV is too complicated for the vox populi, which quite frankly I find insulting. Tactical voting is all most people have the option to do under fptp……now that’s complicated. A… Read more »

No.5
Reply to  Esther Cowsley
16, February 2011 12:01 pm

no its not…once Lords have passed this motion (amendment 20), which they did on it first reading with a majority of 74 it will become law. Each amendment is dealt with seperately, so the Lords will debate the varience of 7.5% instead of 5% ( amendemnet17?) because the Commons rejected it) To give the Island special dispensation and 2 MP is part of the Boundaries Reform which… Read more »

No.5
Reply to  Esther Cowsley
16, February 2011 12:06 pm

AV is equally as flawed and is not suitable for party politics..it works for the Labour party where there is a shared politic and you vote for a person, but under AV If you live in a place where only 3 parties stand the vote is completely different if you have 12 parties standing. And as in my case a large amount of people won’t do the… Read more »

Esther Cowsley
Reply to  No.5
16, February 2011 1:08 pm

I completely agree they should have pursued PR from the outset, but AV will retain the strengths of the current system, such as single-member constituencies and strengthen that relationship, but make sure that our true preferences are reflected in our elections. I still see PR as the favourable alternative but in its absence a vote for change will demonstrate our discontent with the current system and our… Read more »

montana sliver
15, February 2011 4:11 pm

I guess that in the end the government decided that the Island being under represented had nothing to do with the size of the electorate and everything to do with Turner being the MP. So at least half of us will get a reprieve. Fingers crossed that I live in the non Turner half, although I would consider moving to the other side of the island if… Read more »

montana sliver
15, February 2011 4:59 pm

Lets just pray that its not Carole, Gulp

Don Smith
Reply to  montana sliver
16, February 2011 1:06 pm

I would not be surprised – She does a great deal of his work for him now.

I am sure that Andrew will be elevated to the House of Lords befor the next General Election.

Will they marry, then she will become Lady Turner of Pent-House Medina?

hmmm
15, February 2011 5:16 pm

“When we first launched the ‘One Wight’ Campaign everybody discussed whether we should fight for two Island MPs – but we came to a collective decision that we should put forward the message that the Island’s unique circumstances should be recognised – and if that meant continuing with a single MP it was preferable to any part of the Island being hived off and joined with the… Read more »

al's pizza oven
15, February 2011 5:19 pm

whoa whoa whoa ,just remember who caused all this ,it was the Labour party who screwed up the country in the first place

no.5
Reply to  al's pizza oven
15, February 2011 5:26 pm

How???….only if you beleive the Tory propaganda, it was the Tory Bankers who stitched up the country…and anyway we are talking about local issues and local politicians and the local Labour politician (yes just one) has a fantastic reputation and puts all the Tories ( and most of the LibDems) to shame

hmmm
Reply to  al's pizza oven
15, February 2011 5:37 pm

what the hell has Labour got to do with us getting 2 MPs? We havnt had a labour MP for ages mores the pity. As for screwing up the country, how exactly? Labour had years under Blair where our economy was incredibly stable. Brown did change that somewhat, but it was down to the bankers. Banks should have been left to go bust and government should have… Read more »

no.5
Reply to  hmmm
15, February 2011 5:48 pm

yes they are….

Opps – you said ‘bankers’

eromallid
15, February 2011 5:32 pm

It is all very confusing to me. Given the diverse centres of our ‘South Island’ population, in order to create two constituencies of circa 55K voters, where do you draw the boundaries – underwater? If the Medina is decreed a boundary, will I need a passport or identity card to visit East Cowes? The floating bridge might need repainting after every election, though it might be best… Read more »

hmmm
Reply to  eromallid
15, February 2011 5:41 pm

what the hell are you on about? a passport to pass between constituencies? Portsmouth is a separate constituency, the boundary between us and them could be said to be mid solent, and there are no passports needed to pass between the two.

May i suggest a google session to educate yourself on what constituencies are. You seem to be confusing them with countries.

eromallid
Reply to  hmmm
15, February 2011 6:06 pm

Sorry, really stupid of me, you see I thought that we were now to have two MP’s representing the Island. So instead of there being one based on the mainland as originally proposed, we will have two, both based here. Be patient with me because I am very slow. That being the case, I thought that the boundaries would need to be drawn to try to divide… Read more »

hmmm
Reply to  eromallid
15, February 2011 6:12 pm

well its good to see your sarcasm is alive and well if nothing else. So what if east and west cowes are in separate constituencies? I would say thats the best of both worlds.

I would suggest you google whimsy yourself. Your quite right when you say it was a poor attempt.

montana sliver
15, February 2011 6:03 pm

The more I think about it the more ridiculous, not to mention pathetic, it is for Turner to claim this as a victory. One Wight? Although this is a victory for those opposing the Turner/County Press stitch up, in reality the island could not be more divided than by having 2 MPs. As for the talk of MPs from 2 different parties working together for the good… Read more »

lilly
15, February 2011 6:04 pm

Only Ventnor blog could produce this sort of banter, if only politicians could be so open, so funny and so honest. Ah well we’ll just have to see what the next election brings.

no.5
15, February 2011 6:09 pm

BBC Parliament Channel Now

Lauryn
15, February 2011 6:12 pm

What’s wrong with you all?
Surely you should actually be pleased to have got 2 MPs rather than whinging about who it will be or how it happened?
Enjoy the positive news and stop turning everything into something to complain about.

Martin william Wareham
Reply to  Lauryn
15, February 2011 7:36 pm

Lauryn well said.Two M.P’s good result for the Island.

Esther Cowsley
Reply to  Lauryn
15, February 2011 7:55 pm

Well said Lauryn!! People aren’t happy unless they are moaning!

no.5
15, February 2011 8:01 pm

Result in…Ayes 311 Noes 244…we will have 2 MPS

Amendemnet 20 passed

Janet Scott
Reply to  no.5
15, February 2011 8:04 pm

Thanks No.5

food for thought
Reply to  no.5
15, February 2011 9:18 pm

Wonderful news

Esther Cowsley
Reply to  no.5
16, February 2011 10:17 am

Can I point out that we don’t yet have 2 MPs!!!! We have the opportunity (the next 2 days dependant) to vote on a joint package for boundary change AND A.V. on the 5th of May. Other area’s of the country are passionate about their boundaries staying as they are, but haven’t got the dispensation we have, therefore the chances of them voting YES in the referendum… Read more »

Pamela
15, February 2011 8:29 pm

Great – we’ll have two half-wits for two half-Wights! ;-)

John
15, February 2011 9:41 pm

Seems it was that Lord Fowler of Seaview wot done it,in the upper ‘ouse, proving once again that it’s not what you know, but who !Nudge nudge, wink wink, know wot i mean ?

no.5
Reply to  John
15, February 2011 9:51 pm

Not really..he called for one MP I’d like to think that justice is responsible…there is no way in a modern democratic society that you can leave one element under represented in the way the island was…once the cross solent constituency was ruled out (thanks to Fowler) there really was no constitutional way in which we could not get two MPs. I think AT realised this and jumped… Read more »

montana sliver
15, February 2011 10:46 pm

Shows what a flimflam this “modern democratic society” really is when those elected representatives turned down our equal democratic representation and the one MP that is supposed to be working for the good of the island was more interested in serving himself, although miraculously now claims this is what he wanted all along. Hardly any wonder trust is a thing of the past. From OneWights template letter… Read more »

Don Smith
Reply to  montana sliver
15, February 2011 11:22 pm

montana sliver,

What utter rubbish – You still do not get it.
Two is better than one; one is better than none.

Andrew Turner MP should apologise for waisting his time and our money on his pointless pipe dream. The same goes for all his capitalistic friends, especially those in the local media.

montana sliver
15, February 2011 11:26 pm

One is better than none?

What on earth are you talking about nobody was proposing we should not have an MP, I think you have lost the plot Don

Don Smith
Reply to  montana sliver
16, February 2011 1:10 pm

One £5.00 note is better than no £5.00 note – Think about it.

You're Joking Right?
16, February 2011 12:41 am

I fear I’m going to rain on a few people’s parade. I am NOT pleased by this. Why would I be? Another £200k for someone with a skewed moral compass. Whether a brutalised boy from Bullingdon, or one of the more familiar local dreck; the sort who was so despised and distrusted at school that they now have too much to prove. With delusions of granduer, a… Read more »

no.5
Reply to  You're Joking Right?
16, February 2011 8:33 am

but thats never going to happen and now we have two MP’s so are equally representated with the rest opf the country (well, over represented for a few years)

mark francis
Reply to  You're Joking Right?
16, February 2011 8:36 am

I understand Hosni Mubarak is available…

allan marsh
16, February 2011 9:42 am

cut and paste from todays Daily Mail This, quite simply, is not the way town halls should be run. Elected local representatives should not have a lucrative financial interest in holding public office, or in sitting on public bodies. They should serve local people, not exploit them. The truth is that the existence of large allowances ultimately gives councillors a personal stake in retaining power — which… Read more »

Ray
16, February 2011 10:54 am

Will this mean that the two Mps who will only represent 55,000 constituents each, be paid less than Mps who have an average of 76000 ? Was that a pig I just saw flying past my window?

montana sliver
16, February 2011 11:30 am

In our Big Society Ray I think our MPs should volunteer to for free, especially as we are all in it together (up to our necks)

There goes another one, these flying pigs are becoming a real pest

Esther Cowsley
16, February 2011 11:38 am

Hang on, I thought we started with a constituency of 136,000…..that’s 68,000 per MP isn’t it?

Sally Perry
Admin
Reply to  Esther Cowsley
16, February 2011 11:45 am

I understand the most recent voting population is approx. 110,000

No.5
Reply to  Sally Perry
16, February 2011 11:55 am

The official figure is 110,000 but that doesn’t account for ‘unaccounted people of voting age’ i.e those who choose not to be on the lectroral roll for whatever reason.

The census running from March has specific instruction to update this figure which could easily lead to 136,000

Esther Cowsley
Reply to  No.5
16, February 2011 12:43 pm

Thank you for clarifying that, I thought i’d got that figure from somewhere and wasn’t going completely mad! (although you may disagree lol).

Oldie
16, February 2011 1:38 pm

Absolutely brilliant! Now can we concentrate on saving the libraries

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