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Letter: Amey HQ ‘inundated’ with calls from frustrated Islanders (including me)

We always welcome a Letter to the Editor to share with our readers – unsurprisingly they don’t always reflect the views of this publication. If you have something you’d like to share, get in touch and of course, your considered comments are welcome below. This from Phillipe Wines. Ed


There are times in life when dealing with petty officialdom when, through sheer insurmountable frustration, you just want to go into the street, scream and punch something very hard. It may not do any good but, by golly, it makes you feel better!

Like every other household on the Island we were recently sent a convoluted document, apparently jointly issued by the IW Council and Amey, informing us about the new waste collection regime effective from the beginning of May.

Sacks not bins?
The leaflet firmly informed us that after 2nd May 2016 there would no more collection of black bags and that we would have to put our rubbish in the Amey blue gull proof sacks which had been allocated to our four bedroom terraced house.

Mysteriously we were not to be issued with a black wheelie bin to match the green recyclable wheelie bin issued to us by the council some years ago.

We immediately appealed against this allocation. The weeks have passed and absolutely nothing has been heard. Neither have any gull proof bags and other equipment arrived. However, some of our neighbours in our terrace of houses have had black wheelie bins delivered.

Called and called and called
Bearing the imminent embargo date on black bag collection I have tried to telephone the Council intermittently over the past 11 working days.

Surprise, surprise! I have never managed to speak to a human being, I have just had to listen to a recorded voice telling me that “the Council were experiencing a high level of calls at the moment”.

Amey HQ inundated
I did speak to the Amey head office in Oxford. The man there could not help me and told me to call the Council. I told him that I couldn’t get through.

He said he was not surprised as Amey’s office in Oxford had been inundated with calls from frustrated Islanders who couldn’t get through either.

In person, over the phone
So today I attended the Council offices in Newport. You are not allowed to speak face-to-face with an official any longer. Thus I was directed by a man to a bank of telephones in order to talk to someone in a remote office.

I told the man that I hoped I would actually manage to get through and speak to someone after 11 days of frustration. His response was “You should do. The calls from these phones in the Council offices have priority over calls coming through on the public Council’s telephone number”.

After some 12 minutes of listening to the same recorded voice telling me that the Council were experiencing a high level of calls at the moment, I actually managed to speak to a human being!

Monotonous and dismissive spiel
It became immediately apparent that the official was stressed and fed up to the back teeth dealing with repetitive calls about the new waste collection regime. She really wasn’t interested in listening to me and went into a monotonous and dismissive spiel.

She said that we couldn’t have a black wheelie bin because of the location of our house in a raised terrace. I pointed out that we were issued with a green wheelie bin earlier which has been emptied every other week for years; that some of our neighbours have just been given black wheelie bins and that we, like our neighbours, leave our green wheelie bins at the end of the gully that runs behind our houses for easy emptying. I might just as well have spoken to a brick wall!

It’s all my own fault
The lady did say however that black bags can be left out until the end of May because of the chaos about the new collection service. I told her that this period of grace was news to me she inferred that it was my own fault because I should have read all about it in the County Press.

I told her that the purchase of the County Press was an avenue of pleasure that I had denied myself since the advent of ‘OnTheWight’ – she suddenly cut the call!

Aaaaaaaaaarh!

Image: ainudil under CC BY 2.0

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VentnorLad
6, May 2016 5:05 pm

I can perfectly understand the frustration of those few people who’ve not received the bin/bag/info they should have done. But it’s worth remembering that many thousands of households have had a seamless transition to the new contractor and are perfectly contented. The number of news items on the minority without adequate provision seems rather disproportionate. Like many others, I got notice of my new receptacles, received them… Read more »

I do not believe it.
Reply to  VentnorLad
6, May 2016 6:35 pm

What’s life like in Cloud-Cuckoo-Land? Idyllic it seems!

Darren Irving
Reply to  I do not believe it.
6, May 2016 7:36 pm

I do not believe it- I’m not sure what it’s like in cloud cuckoo land, send us a postcard when you get the chance, or even post a reply on here when you return!

Dalek
Reply to  VentnorLad
7, May 2016 7:25 am

I have to agree. Our bins were delivered in good time and, although being the first week, the refuse was collected when it should have been and with no problems at all.

Ventnor Resident
Reply to  VentnorLad
7, May 2016 2:37 pm

Total RUBBISH, How dare you. There are THOUSANDS without the new bins or sacks. Seamless transaction – You mus live in your own little world – it’s the biggest cock-up in THIS councils’ history. When will I get my bins? Tried calling and e-mailing. I personally know of dozens of dozens of friends across the Island who have neither too – Are we just the minority –… Read more »

VentnorLad
Reply to  Ventnor Resident
8, May 2016 6:13 pm

How dare I? It’s really rather easy. I deal in cold facts, not emotions. I agree that anything less than 100% success in this project is not an acceptable performance. But I haven’t had vision of the contract, so don’t know what target has been imposed. What I do know is that there are >70,000 households on the Island. If as you suggest, “dozens” of people have… Read more »

Paleo
6, May 2016 5:32 pm

Exactly the same story from me, I reported on the IWC that I wanted bins, three times since the notification came out. The website says I will get a letter from Amey in two weeks. Absolute horse feathers. We are still waiting and this morning our street is covered in food debris after Amey came through And to cap it all we get some humourless, sanctimonious, pedantic,… Read more »

Fred Karno
6, May 2016 6:22 pm

Perfectly contented Dave? With respect, where on earth have you been? This whole saga is a complete and utter Horlicks of epic proportions. Wait until a few more weeks have passed. With Amey refusing to take black sacks not in bins and there is going to be rubbish everywhere and it is going to pile up and accumulate at ever increasing rates. Fly tipping and dumping rubbish… Read more »

VentnorLad
Reply to  Fred Karno
6, May 2016 6:40 pm

Here’s the other side of the story on leptospirosis/Weil’s:

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/leptospirosis/Pages/Introduction.aspx

The dangerously alarmist post above is worryingly irresponsible.

Darren Irving
Reply to  Fred Karno
6, May 2016 7:29 pm

DaveIOW – it seems some of us are in a minority, I don’t think some people are even capable of contemplating the risks to health and wellbeing of the continued mountainous waste that the population generates! Regarding the leptospirosis comment, surely if this was true anyone involved in the waste collections, dog owners and farmers would all be either dead or suffering the effects of the said… Read more »

mark francis
Reply to  Darren Irving
7, May 2016 3:11 pm

Only some people are in any minority – hence the name “minority”.
Anyway I mostly just drop my rubbish off at Lynbottom Tip on the way to Newport.
I believe that Weil’s Disease is mostly present in standing bodies of water

Fred Karno
6, May 2016 7:17 pm

Hello Dave, The link to the NHS page you gave above says it all really. Weils disease, (That’s the one that rats carry), is the most severe form of Leptospirosis as the article states. People who regularly work in an environment involving rats, such as pest and vermin controllers are well aware of this. As the NHS say, severe infection can cause life threatening problems including organ… Read more »

Baz
7, May 2016 7:45 am

I have not yet received a green bin, and I have never had one.
So where does my recycling go?

Dixie
Reply to  Baz
7, May 2016 8:25 am

If your green bin hasnt arrived by the 9th May you can order one online – as well as food caddys – inserts or extra green recycling bins (up to two allowed per household) at:
https://www.iwight.com/Residents/Environment-Planning-and-Waste/Waste-and-Recycling/Household-Waste-and-Recycling-Collection/Tasks

The coucnil has said to continue using clear or white sacks for your recycling until you bin arrives.

Paleo
Reply to  Dixie
8, May 2016 1:47 pm

Good luck on that, I’ve requested bins four times now online, still no sight of them or a promised letter from Amey, IWC not fit for purpose.

block8
7, May 2016 7:51 am

I think by far the biggest risk to public health is allowing Fred Karno unfettered access to a keyboard so that he can spread his alarmist nonsense in a pathetic attempt to get his own way.

I have seen some stupid comments on here over the years, but this one goes right to the top of the pile.

Steve
7, May 2016 9:54 am

A word of caution, walking around Newport yesterday shopping after the bin man had been the pavements were covered with these gull proof bags you are all so desperate to have, it seems that they will soon be causing accidents as there is little room to pass when they just put there by the bin men and not collected by tenants who arguably are at work and… Read more »

Tosh
7, May 2016 12:46 pm

Having read some of the comments to Fred Karno’s post . For many years I worked on fresh/foul/dirty water pumping systems . Most of this work was for large water company’ s . Every worker in this industry is given a book on wiels disease and the dangerous effect it can have on the human body, so every worker has to have 3 courses of the hep… Read more »

Tosh
Reply to  Tosh
7, May 2016 2:29 pm

Just I bit more to add to this story . All staff that deal with foul/dirty water are issued with a small book or a laminated card that we have to carry all the time in case of an accident to say that we work with foul water . This is also registered with there doctor . the first sign of this disease is like having a… Read more »

mike starke
7, May 2016 3:53 pm

We’ve just had a round of council elections nationwide. Not here, that’s later. As usual, low turnout. But local services are paid for, with our taxes, by these bodies. You’ve got no reason to moan if you don’t vote. So, while councillors and their senior officials here on the IW were making their decisions to have privatised road contracts or privatised waste contracts, most ordinary people just… Read more »

mike starke
7, May 2016 4:22 pm

Sorry, I should have pointed out: privatised PFI contracts, like our roads and waste services, are set up to make profit for the contractors. They are not set up to provide efficient services. That costs money. Anything that costs money cuts into profits. Hence; not a good idea for the “services” County Hall has “outso
urced”.

Luisa Hillard
Reply to  mike starke
8, May 2016 7:55 pm

The waste contract is not a PFI.

Caconym
7, May 2016 4:41 pm

Now this is odd. My black bin was emptied yesterday. Or rather, it should have been. It had three black sacks in it, but the bin men only took two. So I now have a 2/3 full micro-bin to last two weeks. No “hanger” was left and the contents of the bin was three sealed black bags and the one that was left wasn’t opened. So why… Read more »

Colin
7, May 2016 7:39 pm

Right, so what about the many people that have a second home or holiday flat on the Island? They all pay council tax here and are entitled to the same services as everyone else. At the minute black bags are collected that have been left out for a couple of days. This isn’t going to happen unless it is in the amey bag. So what then happens… Read more »

Colin
7, May 2016 7:51 pm

Luisa says to fold the bags up and place them in the cupboard. Have you been in any flats recently? What cupboard would that be?. I can only assume that she hasn’t seen the size of the three bags that have been delivered across the Island. If this is what the former executive member for the Island council for the department that is responsible for this shambles… Read more »

Darren Irving
Reply to  Colin
7, May 2016 8:31 pm

I’ve seen the bags, the largest of the bags will fold easily into about 11 inches x 7 inches x 5 inches.
Up to you what you do with them but they are part of the new regime, as someone else has said somewhere here OTW, the island is way behind on recycling issues, time to change habits.

Colin
Reply to  Darren Irving
8, May 2016 8:35 am

Do not feed the troll.

Colin
8, May 2016 8:34 am

The new system with the gull proof bags relies on people being around on collection day to put out the bags and to take them in again. What happens when people go on holiday? Are they to store their rubbish indoors whilst they are away? Are they to put it out a week or more early? Will the gull proof bags still be there when they return… Read more »

Caconym
Reply to  Colin
8, May 2016 1:06 pm

Also if you work long hours. If you leave for work before the sacks are emptied then they are going to be on the roadside until the early evening.

Paleo
Reply to  Caconym
8, May 2016 1:43 pm

Or disappear never to be seen again like my flat living son discovered when he returned on Friday evening to Newport after work.

Wise words
8, May 2016 3:41 pm

I agree that this has not been handled well by Amey of the iwc it should have been one of the first things that happened when amey took over the waste contract and relevant bins or sacks ordered so we are not in this position now they have had plenty of time to sort this so it went more smoothly.

Robert Jones
Reply to  Wise words
8, May 2016 6:39 pm

Leaving aside whether the council had any choice in this or not – though basically, they hadn’t – this is what happens when you outsource services to private companies. The reason isn’t hard to find: the private companies have to make a profit. I do realize that you can’t expect everything to be done for no return, that one of the alternatives although not the only one… Read more »

Cicero
Reply to  Robert Jones
10, May 2016 8:46 am

( Robert) If you recall during the “privatisation” battles of Thatcher;s 1980s, the main reason given was that Darwinian competition between service companies would force them to greater efficiencies. It turned out to be mistaken. What has happened in practice is that profit has become the main criterion for survival and that profit is not gained entirely by efficiency but by reducing costs (less pay) and repricing… Read more »

Rob
9, May 2016 12:02 pm

Am I the only one that emailed the council ONE MONTH ago and are still waiting for a reply in connection with this matter?

I do not believe it
Reply to  Rob
10, May 2016 8:17 am

No!

VentnorLad
11, May 2016 11:00 pm

Update!

Today was recycling bin day.

Sorting paper and card from rest of recycling has been very easy. The new habit is already ingrained.

Put bin out last night.

Bin emptied by army of bright yellow bin men. They seemed to work with ruthless efficiency and left the street spotless.

I got my bin and insert back without any problems.

Well done Amey!

Cicero
Reply to  VentnorLad
12, May 2016 7:56 am

Mine was OK as well today except it was put out @ 0700 as requested but not collected to mid-afternoon.

I noticed that the wind (or foxes) had overturned and opened two of my neighbours’ black bins.

Paleo
Reply to  VentnorLad
18, May 2016 10:44 pm

Update!

Still no bins, however Amey forgot to take the food bags after emptying the whole streets worth next to my house.

What a bunch of incompetent clowns, but not as incompetent as the clowns that set this contract up.

Silly Amey!

phil jordan
Reply to  Paleo
19, May 2016 7:05 am

Paleo: This ‘contract’ was not set up so that (a) service provider could fail to meet it’s obligations. …but it was set up with sufficient parameters that allow for penalties to be imposed due to contractual failure. Let me assure you we are managing this provision very carefully and closely and any contractual failure will be dealt with under contract provisions. It is the case that this… Read more »

Cicero
Reply to  phil jordan
19, May 2016 8:07 am

Phil- how much has IWC recouped from Island Roads and AmeyCespa to date for “contract failures”?

phil jordan
Reply to  Cicero
19, May 2016 10:06 am

cicero: An FOI last year (from memory…may be just in the year before) returned a figure of about £235,000 for PFI – though the service provider did want to qualify what the penalties were for. [We are getting into difficult areas of commercial confidentiality discussion on this however.] I can tell you that there has been more potential penalties since the date of the FOI. I just… Read more »

Cicero
Reply to  Cicero
19, May 2016 10:14 am

Thanks Phil.

Luisa Hillard
Reply to  Paleo
19, May 2016 9:20 am

Paleo, the collection crew who missed your food waste collection are almost certainly the same crew who have been picking up your rubbish for years because the staff from Island Waste (Biffa) transferred to Amey. Why these same staff should suddenly fail to collect food waste in your road is something I can’t answer but something that the contract management team might be able to, by reviewing… Read more »

Cicero
Reply to  Paleo
7, June 2016 3:19 pm

Amey fly-tipping waste food bags, PJ?

Hermit
12, May 2016 8:03 am

I’m all for this, we need to recycle, and I’ve been a big supporter of this from the start. However, I have since found out from an AMEY member of staff that fines will be introduced, and will be added to your council tax. If you live in a block of flats and use communal bins, the entire block will have the fines added to their council… Read more »

Cicero
Reply to  Hermit
12, May 2016 8:33 am

Interesting point! Presumably the bin men inspecting refuse for contamination would need to be authorised under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 (RIPA) s.26.3 and s.28.3 that regulates the powers of public bodies (like local authorities but not private companies like AmeyCespa) to carry out surveillance and investigation. If authorised by the IWC would the bin men have to be able to show that RIPA authorising… Read more »

The Ancient Matelot
Reply to  Hermit
7, June 2016 1:17 pm

I am a supporter of re-cycling but not of wasting my time. It is now June 7th and they are STILL tipping all the contents of the black boxes into the green bins and mixing it in the lorry!

I do hope that AMEY is going to be fined for not carrying out its contract correctly.

Paleo
13, May 2016 10:04 am

A further note to this incompetent unmitigated disaster.

All our streets food waste caddy bags have been collected and put outside our house… and has not been collected.

I am now told by the council that it may not now be collected until tomorrow midday. A health hazard in the making.

Cicero
18, May 2016 8:39 am

Help! I have clean unbroken crockery to dispose of- can I put it in the green bin?

Thanks for any advice

(Couldn’t wait any longer for a reply from IWC/Amey!)

Luisa Hillard
Reply to  Cicero
18, May 2016 1:22 pm

cicero, crockery that is still good to use should go to charity. The Storeroom in Cowes for example helps people in difficult financial positions to set up home. I believe that their are other charities who also help people after fires etc. Or just your nearest charity shop.

I do not believe that it is recyclable.

Cicero
Reply to  Luisa Hillard
18, May 2016 3:23 pm

Thanks for your help Luisa. Storeroom is going to pick it up.

Luisa Hillard
Reply to  Cicero
18, May 2016 6:56 pm

A good outcome! :)

VentnorLad
Reply to  Cicero
18, May 2016 1:36 pm

When we last bought some new crockery, we gave the old stuff (clean & unbroken, but an incomplete set) to the newlyweds next door.

They didn’t have much money and it helped them on the way. They’re still using some of that crockery ten years on!

So just give it away. Neighbours, charity shop, local greasy spoon cafe, I’m sure someone will make use of it.

Cicero
Reply to  VentnorLad
18, May 2016 2:36 pm

Good idea as all the family are now well equipped with our previously owned crockery. Thanks

sam salt
Reply to  VentnorLad
8, June 2016 2:46 pm

I know of a millionaire who insists that cracked, chipped and old crockery is perfectly suitable for everyday use. Not only that there are no matching knives and forks in his house. No wonder he is a millionaire.

Steve Goodman
18, May 2016 12:02 pm

“Reduce, reuse, recycle”; sufficiently clean and unbroken for re-use, maybe via a charity shop?

The Ancient Matelot
7, June 2016 1:14 pm

Can somebody tell me why they are STILL tipping the black boxes into the green bins and then tipping the whole lot into the lorry together? I witnessed this today – and it was all the boxes. We had been told that the process would be up and running by the beginning of this month but it clearly is not. I am beginning to wonder if the… Read more »

Cicero
8, June 2016 1:03 pm

Avoid dump runs to Lynbotton! Briddlesford Rd is gridlocked from the Hare and Hounds to its join with Staplers Rd- also gridlocked. It took me 45 mins to get from Robin Hill roundabout to the dump. When I got there I found that Amey had closed the Green Waste area (for modifications sic!) at the height of the Spring growing season and on Festival weekend.!. Where is… Read more »

Cicero
Reply to  Cicero
8, June 2016 3:03 pm

Looks like it was caused by a lorry/car shunt on Staplers at 1pm.

Paleo
11, June 2016 11:48 am

Still waiting for my replacement bins. . .

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