PughTube: Not ‘Acting In An Official Capacity’ Leaked To IW Radio

At 7am this morning IW Radio were reporting that a sub-committee of the Ethical Standards Committee (ESC) at the Isle of Wight Council have concluded that David Pugh did not break the Code of Conduct when he shouted expletives at the partner of local MP, Andrew Turner in the car park outside the Valentine’s Ball of the Council Chairman.

David PughThe findings have not been officially be released by the council.

They say that the Assessment Sub-Committee of the ESC found that David Pugh, Leader of the Council and Shanklin County Councillor, was not “acting in an official capacity,” so therefore did not break the Code of Conduct.

The decision was made after a member of the public lodged a complaint against Cllr Pugh.

The radio report went on to say that this element of the complaint made by Cllrs Bacon, Lumley and Welsford earlier in the week would also be dismissed.

Information not officially released
We haven’t had any word of this finding, nor has another Island paper that we spoke to today.

Naturally, we contacted the council press office first thing today, but they tell us that the findings of the sub-committee haven’t officially been released.

Given the number of comments that the PughTube story has generated – over 670 as we write – letting VB readers know the findings would have been an obvious choice.

The information must have been leaked to Isle of Wight radio with sufficient time for them to have had David Pugh into the studio to record his reaction, so they could prepare and run the story at 7am today.

We’ve emailed David Pugh for a statement.

This leak occurs the day before The Gazette has promised to ‘tell all’ about the night that included David Pugh’s outburst.

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Norman
4, March 2010 10:29 am

So the local Ethical Standards Committe threw out the complaint but how can they pre-judge a complaint made to the Standards Board of England?

IT STINKS!!!

No.5
Reply to  Norman
4, March 2010 10:55 am

Standards Board of England refer all complaints to local level for assesment

Don Smith
Reply to  Norman
4, March 2010 1:36 pm

You get what you vote for – People have the power to change things; well they should, but when you have a local paper which favours the Tory Party
it does make things more difficult.

Mo
4, March 2010 10:30 am

Looks to me like a deliberate attempt to head off the gazette story. Mr Pugh said on the radio he wanted to move on – a clear case of desperation. And again, you wonder how involved the communications boys are in the whole sorry mess? Have we had an apology yet to either woman? I think the most important fact is yet to be addressed, that of… Read more »

Norman
Reply to  Mo
4, March 2010 10:32 am

The council communications team must be working very hard to protect the Leader? or their Jobs?

No.5
Reply to  Mo
4, March 2010 10:56 am

He’s known her over a year

Mo
Reply to  No.5
4, March 2010 11:25 am

but not in the biblical sense

Arthur Sultan
Reply to  Mo
4, March 2010 11:03 am

It would certainly appear to be an attempt to head off the Gazette story if the decision was prematurely handed to IW Radio by David Pugh …

Rush
4, March 2010 10:31 am

This Council is a mess.

steve s
4, March 2010 10:42 am

Any idea who sat on the sub committee of the ESC?

wabbit
4, March 2010 10:42 am

A very lucky man. [comment removed by moderator]

wabbit
Reply to  wabbit
4, March 2010 11:31 am

Sorry Sal forget the legal implementations for VB.
I just have a devious mind!

YouPughbe
4, March 2010 11:18 am

Latest attempt to cover up Brave Daves love triangle, if he wasn’t acting in his official capacity why was the official WightWash attempted?

L PINKERTON
Reply to  YouPughbe
4, March 2010 1:50 pm

Isn’t that the other prong of the ‘Fork’?

islebeseeingyou
4, March 2010 1:45 pm

This is not the end of the case by any means. The complaint referred to as having been thrown out by the local branch of the ethical standards board was one put in by a resident. There is a second complaint on the table submitted by the three councillors. I would imagine this complaint will be fairly watertight bearing in mind the legal background of one of… Read more »

wabbit
Reply to  islebeseeingyou
4, March 2010 2:00 pm

What about the conflict of interest rule if using a legal dept.If its a proper legal dept one of them must be a solictor or whatever and pick up on this rule.The boy is probably going to see the head of house and get the slipper!!!

Mo
Reply to  islebeseeingyou
4, March 2010 2:18 pm

As long and his Tory mates are trying to extort a 566% rise in the cost of parking and closing day centres and respite homes there will be thousands of islanders wanting to see him sacked – if not for that then the yob behaviour or incompetence managing the islands finances. At least we now know why he thinks its worth spending £1,000,000 plus on his communications… Read more »

Norman
Reply to  islebeseeingyou
4, March 2010 4:47 pm

Ask for the info under foi though I doubt you will get it, I know one of them was told by a senior official that Pugh was in his own time therefore not guilty of anything.

hazel wyld
Reply to  islebeseeingyou
4, March 2010 6:59 pm

So the second complaint headed by the three councilors is still ongoing…if indeed Pugh was at a private function how come the young lady was sent off on a weeks leave and the council got involved in the publicity? Who is paying for all that?…There will be no Conservative councillor voted in at the next local elections, as long as Pugh heads or is on the council..maybe… Read more »

KKK
4, March 2010 2:16 pm

1 Thou shalt behave at ALL times as befits the Leader of the Council 2 Thou shalt not bring the Council and the Isle of Wight into disrepute 3 Thou shalt not swear in public places (or private) 4 Thou shalt treat others with respect 5 Thou shalt apologise to everybody 6 Thou shalt not near false witness 7 Thou shalt observe the Code of Conduct and… Read more »

Kerri
4, March 2010 3:29 pm

Sense at last, hopefully this will all stop now. Now can everyone stop being so hysterical?

Davey Jones
Reply to  Kerri
4, March 2010 4:09 pm

Don’t be so naive Kerri.

Hysterical? Don’t patronise people who are up in arms over blatant hypocrisy and back room buddy injustice.

Ahhh Nescafe
Reply to  Davey Jones
4, March 2010 4:43 pm

So Dave’s mates have wiped his snotty nose and let him on his way. Sniff sniff, what’s that? Cow?…..no…horse? sniff sniff…. Ahhh that’s it…… Bull S*%T

YouPughbe
4, March 2010 4:40 pm

According to Private Eye Brave-Dave is on record as saying that any councillor facing an inquiry by the ethical standards committee should stand down from any office held. It hardly comes as a surprise then that they have given him a get out of jail free card, does it? How about giving him a bonus for passing go as well, although I don’t think £200 will suffice… Read more »

Island Shocker
Reply to  YouPughbe
4, March 2010 8:48 pm

£200? You couldn’t buy a decent frock for a night out with that much

YouPughbe
Reply to  Island Shocker
4, March 2010 9:16 pm

Or a swanky hotel room for one, particularly swanky that night no doubt.

Dubois
4, March 2010 6:40 pm

Well said Kerri.

Mr T
4, March 2010 6:51 pm

This is all very simply resolved by refusing to vote Conservative again whilst DP remains in charge of the IWCC.

PS
4, March 2010 7:02 pm

What are the chances of a video emerging on You Tube of 15 opposition councillors aggressively swearing at the leader in the County Hall car park after the next council meeting? (Upset off-duty councillors of course!) – Might get some national press coverage!

Robbo
4, March 2010 7:36 pm

Frankly this brings the so-called Ethical Standards Committee into total disrepute. Not that that is very difficult as they are entirely out of touch with ordinary peolde. This is a committee that once had a peacock keeper amongst its membership.

I bet Suckup Scoccia or Whatdouwantdave Williams were part of the assessment subcommittee…..

Shobba
Reply to  Robbo
4, March 2010 8:40 pm

And how can the council’s legal team involve themselves in an inquiry into the conduct of their boss- by advising the board members who potentially will find on the guilt or innocence of said boss. I’m afraid to the outsider this all smells fishy. It’s worse than the old days of the police investigating the police.

Dave Lewis
4, March 2010 11:33 pm

To try and balance this debate, I ask to give this guy a bit of slack. Following the sudden departure of Andy Sutton as leader, were there loads of Cllrs queing up to take on the “poison chalice” of Leader. Answer – No! We should be proud that our authority had the guts to give the job to a young, forward-thinking, untarnished and thoroughly good egg, such… Read more »

ebod
Reply to  Dave Lewis
5, March 2010 12:03 am

“excellent town councillor for the good folk of Shanklin” are you actually serious? More like he’s an agent of inertia, have you been to Shanklin recently? It’s a dump! I suggest you attend a town meeting and ask around people around town if they feel well represented. I’m afraid there is very little slack left, you see he was the one who took it all away when… Read more »

N0.5
Reply to  ebod
5, March 2010 12:30 am

I have to say Ebod that I have been to Town councils and yes he has a massive support as Town Councillor..I also know that without him Shanklin Theatre would be dead and gone and the residents of Carter Avenue very disgrunteld

None of this qualifies him for the job of council leader

And his previous history is abysmal,especially his ‘Tory Youth’ leader time

Anna
Reply to  N0.5
5, March 2010 12:44 am

No 5 – I am not an expert but I read the Shanklin Theatre proposals as just a way to shift responsibility for the inevitable closure away from the Council? If it fails, it’s because other people have failed to do a good job in keeping it going. I thought it was a bit like placing someone on life support, knowing that the power supply will be… Read more »

N0.5
Reply to  Anna
5, March 2010 12:51 am

with good management and diversity the theatre can survive..and it will only survive outside of council ownership and in the care of the community.

This would not have happened without Pugh

Still doesn’t justify the halo

ebod
Reply to  N0.5
5, March 2010 8:02 am

Maybe you caught him on a good day, the meetings I’ve been to his existence appeared to just frustrate any real kind of progress, there’s always plenty of talk but very little walk. By those in Carter Avenue, do you mean the Sibden Hill development?

Dave Lewis
Reply to  ebod
5, March 2010 12:39 am

What a statement – “Shanklin is a dump”!! Where are you from, then?

N0.5
Reply to  Dave Lewis
5, March 2010 12:52 am

Ebod lives in ‘Downtown’ Shanklin

MrsS
Reply to  Dave Lewis
5, March 2010 12:14 am

He is nearly 30 , not 16 !

Anna
Reply to  Dave Lewis
5, March 2010 12:24 am

I’m hoping that Dave Lewis is in wind up mode. In case he’s not, I’ll bite anyway. “Untarnished”?. He left Conservative Central Office after public allegations of cheating in an election. All the Councillors knew that when they elected him Council Leader. He pretends he has a degree (in classic Dave terms, not exactly lying about it but not the truth either!) he even leads people, by… Read more »

Dave Lewis
Reply to  Anna
5, March 2010 12:45 am

No Anna, This is not a wind up. Could you do the job? my guess is a big NO! Don’t just jump on the minority socialist bandwagon. this county will always be “Blue”. Tough for guys like you, but just accept it!

N0.5
Reply to  Dave Lewis
5, March 2010 12:55 am

Not a good arguemnt..because neither can he

and this country will never be Blue, except in rebellion to its natural ‘Red’ state.

Capitalism is not a natural state..it is an imposed state..and given a fair shot, humans naturally want the best for his fellow humans because survivalis a herd instinct,not an individual one

Anna
Reply to  Dave Lewis
5, March 2010 12:57 am

Could I do that job? Have I been caught brawling in public/lying/fiddled elections/pretended someone is my boyfriend (in his case girlfriend). No. So perhaps I couldn’t. But who knows! Entertaining concept that “this county will always be blue”. It had a Liberal Council for about twenty years until 2001, then a minority Liberal coalition. In the 70s and the 80s we had a Liberal MP (for about… Read more »

Dave Lewis
Reply to  Anna
5, March 2010 1:02 am

bet you’ve had a fiddle, now and again?

Anna
Reply to  Anna
5, March 2010 1:10 am

Think you’re on the wrong website pal – try google.

Mr T
Reply to  Dave Lewis
5, March 2010 3:32 am

Not sure whether Anna could do a worse job than Pugh to be honest. I suspect she might, but only if she tried really really hard. Incidentally, why is anyone who’s not a dyed in the wool Conservative always labelled a ‘red under the bed’ socialist? Many profess no allegiance to any particular party be it Tory or otherwise, not because they harbour socialist tendencies (although they… Read more »

islebeseeingyou
Reply to  Dave Lewis
5, March 2010 7:20 am

Your having a laugh, “thoroughly good egg”, I don’t think so.

Mrs A
Reply to  islebeseeingyou
5, March 2010 11:29 am

Dave Lewis “The incident in Cowes was, in my opinion, a staged event to cast doubts over his integrity.” Can you explain just how this was staged.Did Carole Dennet make the girl sit on the gazette ed’s lap? This is typical of the leader of the council.It’s everyone elses fault and he is totally blameless. Personally, I’m glad Jason Kay was there to film it. At least… Read more »

YouPughbe
Reply to  Mrs A
5, March 2010 11:47 am

I reckon next year we should supply them with as much free champagne as they can drink, and hire a film crew.

Den
Reply to  Dave Lewis
5, March 2010 1:47 pm

Clear thinking and absolute common sense, one day the real truth will emerge!

Den
Reply to  Den
5, March 2010 1:53 pm

My last comment related to Dave Lewis’s first one at number 15!! Care as you may be listed under a posting you are not commenting on!
Den

Curious of Shanklin
Reply to  Den
5, March 2010 1:56 pm

Truth is truth Den and facts are facts, there’s no such thing as ‘real truth’.

muso-activator
5, March 2010 8:42 am

I’ll use Mr. Pugh’s very own words from an email received last year. I wonder how he reflects on this now… “As a publicly accountable body, we rightly have to have proper decision making processes in place.” 2 words I like here are ACCOUNTABLE & PROPER. Another 2 are DECISION & PROCESS. This was to just request assistance on obtaining Ryde Theatre for the wake of a… Read more »

Dubois
5, March 2010 9:51 am

I echo No.5’s comments regarding David Pugh’s initiatives in the quest to save Shanklin Theatre in his capacity as Town Councillor.
Without these, there would have been no chance of it remaining open.
Thank you David.

No.5
Reply to  Dubois
5, March 2010 10:19 am

also due to the very hard work of local business men, organisations and councillors with no ambition of being leader of the council

ebod
Reply to  Dubois
5, March 2010 3:43 pm

If he was genuinely motivated about the theatre being kept open, has he personally ensured that the essential maintenance/repairs were carried out over the last few years? How do you differentiate between what he said about keeping the theatre and actually doing anything about it? How can you tell that it wasn’t all just lip service? I believe the credit for keeping the theatre rests entirely with… Read more »

N0.5
Reply to  ebod
5, March 2010 4:10 pm

Then you would be wrong

ebod
Reply to  N0.5
5, March 2010 4:23 pm

Then let me know why so I can give credit where it’s due

hungry eyes, hungry ears
5, March 2010 11:15 am

The interesting thing here is that if the Morton’s Fork complaint made by Lumley/Welsford/Bacon is valid then, by clearing Pugh on the lesser charge of bad behaviour while acting in an official capacity (because he wasn’t acting in an official capacity), the local Ethical Standards Committee have locked him in with the far more serious charge of using Council resources for personal purposes.

Nice one, ESC!

Mr T
Reply to  hungry eyes, hungry ears
5, March 2010 3:39 pm

I’d say it’s almost certainly valid and the council’s comms department has been utilised at tax payer cost to deal with what has now been passed off as a private matter. I’ll also bet the grease that keeps many of the island’s largest cogs oiled finds a way to excuse it. Seems some like to complain about left-wing unions, but don’t have a problem with the right-wing… Read more »

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