Gary Smedmore at his Caravan park business

Undercliff resident: ‘It’s great that we’ve finally been listened to’

OnTheWight spoke to owner of the Undercliff Glen caravan park, Gary Smedmore, after his meeting with councillors earlier today, during which he told us, “It’s great that we’ve finally been listened to”.

The meeting – which lasted several hours – saw eight visitors to the area plus two residents, including Gary.

No action was directly promised this afternoon, but Gary presented a list of things that needed to be done on site – many of which had been under discussion since February – and those present said they’d go away and discuss those items on Monday.

Who turned up
Those present were the councillors Ian Stephens; Phil Jordan; Jonathan Bacon and Steve Stubbings, as well as Council officers Dave Burbage, MD of IWC and Bill Murphy, Head of planning.

Andrew Turner also went along, although it’s understood he didn’t contribute anything to the meeting.

Many congratulated Gary for what he’d done. Bill Murphy wasn’t one of those.

Signing a waiver to use the road
There were two central points discussed as a way forward for the residents.

The first was for residents occupying houses in the landlocked area to sign a waiver in order to be able to use their cars on the new road. Gary told OnTheWight some of the residents are open to the idea of that.

However, there was some uncertainty as to whether lorries would be given permission to use the road (returning to the problem of properties not having access to heating oil for the winter).

Unadopting the road
The other option that was discussed was for the council to unadopt the road and residents take on responsibility for it.

Gary told OnTheWight this option would need careful consideration and was not something they could make a quick decision on.

“Going through the motions”
Gary told OnTheWight that Bill Murphy disputed whether a crack that had widened in the road was actually a crack, then telling him, “If you fill it in, you’ll be liable.”

Gary also asked what was planned to ensure the coming rains didn’t just make their way into the cracks that have developed and the exposed ground. His suggestion was to fill in the cracks and cover the exposed land with tarpaulin. Bill Murphy said he didn’t think the tarpaulin would make a difference.

Gary commented,

“It felt to me like he’s just going through the motions.”

Resolving the water supply problems
Another issue that had been outstanding for a long period of time was the water supply.

All through the very hot weather of the summer, water being delivered to the properties through an overground pipe had been reaching temperatures of 27 degrees celsius.

Gary said he’d brought up having the pipe placed underground with council officers, but they had blocked it happening, despite Southern Water being OK with it. The councillors present appeared to be supportive of this taking place, before the pipes are exposed to freezing weather, threatening cracking.

What happens next?
Gary told OnTheWight,

“They said they’re going to take all of the points away and are going to work through it.”

Councillors advised that a meeting to discuss all options would take place on Monday morning.

When OnTheWight asked him if this was just more talk from the council, Gary replied,

“We won’t know until tomorrow.”

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tryme
26, October 2014 8:45 pm

“… OnTheWight asked him if this was just more talk from the council” is a leading question, but Gary is his own man and gave his own answer. He wants a solution, not to undermine the process that’s underway. With a turnout like that (of cllrs and officers) there seems to be a determination to reach agreement. Fingers crossed for everyone.

Niton Wight Satin
Reply to  tryme
26, October 2014 11:02 pm

Come off it. This is what’s on everyone’s mind.

Let’s not forget the residents have been left hanging in the wind for the last eight months and all they’ve been given is hot air.

It’s completely legitimate to ask if he thinks it’s the same behaviour occurring again.

tryme
Reply to  Niton Wight Satin
27, October 2014 12:16 am

‘What is on everyone’s mind’ may still be put, NWS, in a non-leading way, eg. ‘What do you think are the chances of progress after today’s meeting?’.

In the heat of the moment, though, it’s quite hard to avoid asking leading questions. They can make a response of less value because an interviewee often unthinkingly takes on the questioner’s implied premise, instead of finding their own answer.

The Sciolist
26, October 2014 9:06 pm

Bill Murphy sounds like a worry, but let’s hope he remembers who he works for.

These people need a break, help not the rule book quoted to them. Exceptional situations call for exceptional solutions and council Officers are not usually too good at this kind of thing, they play safe. Always.

Despite all that, my fingers are crossed that help is on its way for the residents.

Matthew James Martin
Reply to  The Sciolist
27, October 2014 7:52 pm

Bill Murphy will constantly follow whatever Government guidelines are in place and makes sure to the best of his knowing influence, that is how Isle of Wight planning applications are processed in his department. Bill will do this, no matter what the majority of the public wish for, over certain planning decision and no matter what the minority of the public wish for, over certain decision. Best… Read more »

Matthew James Martin
Reply to  Matthew James Martin
27, October 2014 8:00 pm

Please excuse my typo’s :-)

Ali Hayden.
26, October 2014 10:03 pm

Well done to Gary and all who built this road. Very impressive to get the Council Leader, County Councillors, Head of Planning and the Islands MP all out together on a Sunday afternoon. I think this shows the IOW Council is actually committed to finding a suitable solution for the residents of Undercliff Drive. Let us hope that the meeting tomorrow morning achieves this for them. The… Read more »

Mason Watch
26, October 2014 10:30 pm

Well put, Bill Murphy is a servant of the people……

Steve Goodman
Reply to  Mason Watch
26, October 2014 11:22 pm

…..as over 3000 of those people reminded him by signing the petition for action on Frank James.

tryme
26, October 2014 11:10 pm

I wonder who the 8 “visitors to the area” were, who were part of a meeting that went on for several hours. Some tourists who suddenly found themselves embroiled in Island high drama during their short break?! Surprised there were only 2 residents present, including Gary – presumably he was asked to speak on behalf of many of them.

Buckle
Reply to  tryme
27, October 2014 9:10 am

There were only 2 residents attending Tryme because I believe no one else was informed about the meeting. Maybe OTW could confirm who the Council invited to attend? I imagine that the sudden impressive show of concern is as a result of a very possible imminent lambasting in the national media. Egg meets face. It also makes it far more difficult for the Council to attempt to… Read more »

wightwonders
Reply to  Buckle
27, October 2014 10:01 am

Quite right Buckle, but remember the council are quite happy to pass costs on to residents – they are currently demanding that neighboring residents pay for 90% of the cost to fix the landslip on the council’s land at the railway cutting in shanklin!

phil jordan
Reply to  wightwonders
27, October 2014 11:56 am

wightwonders:

No they are not. Please provide evidence to support that assertion.

Sally Perry
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Reply to  Buckle
27, October 2014 10:56 am

Cllr Steve Stubbings (steve s) informed OnTheWight this morning, “The original meeting was arranged between Mr Smedmore and me by telephone. I was keen to see the road that he had built. Mrs Hall also attended. No official invitations were extended.”

binnel ghost
26, October 2014 11:22 pm

I really hope some solution to this will be forthcoming very soon However I am a little perturbed that if the council pursue the unadopted road scheme, this will in fact let them off the hook and could prove disastrous for the residents if they are then held responsible for the road. Presumably this would mean access only for them and closure for good for the rest… Read more »

JohnR
27, October 2014 9:17 am
The Sciolist
27, October 2014 11:51 am

I heard Bill Murphy on the news this morning. He seemed to have a very long list of why it’s not easy excuses.

Let’s hope they can be overcome. Rule-book loving pen-pushers now dominate our modern world, it’s time they were put firmly in their place.

Common sense needs to make a come-back.

PS I did tell Steve on Saturday that this would go national.

iowjay
27, October 2014 1:52 pm

An option would be to unadopt the road?! I bet the council would love that – they wash their hands of any responsibility for the road, which is left to residents to maintain and repair. I would guess that most of the residents don’t have a few spare £1,000’s each year to maintain a road that the council have been unable to with the millions at their… Read more »

Cynic
Reply to  iowjay
27, October 2014 1:57 pm

Not necessarily if it was converted into a private road with resident access only at own risk (like so many unadopted roads in rural parts of the Island).

Buckle
Reply to  Cynic
27, October 2014 2:34 pm

An pre-existing private road in an area not devastated by active landslides is perhaps manageable. It would be mentioned in the survey at the time of purchase and the buyer could choose whether to take on that liability or not. Imposing a process of unadopting the road which IR have failed to fix, which we know could cost millions to reinstate, is a very different ballgame. As… Read more »

Cynic
Reply to  Buckle
27, October 2014 3:16 pm

Maybe because the Highways Act legislation stipulates that councils wil fulfil their statutory duties as Highways Authorities and not avoid them?

buckle
Reply to  Cynic
27, October 2014 3:24 pm

I couldn’t agree more Cicero. There must be very few circumstances whereby a highway would need to be unadopted.

Cynic
Reply to  Cynic
27, October 2014 3:35 pm

Perhaps that should be phrased “There *should* be…”?

IWC *should* perform its statutory duty as a Highways Authority and repair Undercliffe asap, providing an acceptable temporary workaround until a permanent solution is put into effect.

(After all it appears that it could afford to donate £32 million of Island assets to OAT and give away £500k+ to Pihl by mistake.)

Braveheart
Reply to  Cynic
27, October 2014 3:37 pm

This link may or may not throw some light on the situation of converting Undercliff Drive into a Private Road.

http://www.privateroads.co.uk/

Cynic
Reply to  Braveheart
27, October 2014 7:59 pm

It looks like an insurance pimping website.

John Nash
27, October 2014 5:57 pm

This may seem incredibly pedantic, but I would be interested to know the provenance of “Undercliffe” (as in Ye Olde Worlde Undercliffe) as used by some commentators. All the historic and current maps name the glorious landform of The Undercliff as “The Undercliff” and the road as “Undercliff Drive” – as do the road name plates. Unless you get the name of things right, reality is on… Read more »

is it not obvious?
Reply to  John Nash
27, October 2014 6:06 pm

Its called the Undercliff because its underneath a cliff of upper greensands.

I have never seen it referred to as “Undercliffe” but it doesn’t really matter. It still means under a cliff.

John Nash
Reply to  is it not obvious?
27, October 2014 6:09 pm

I know perfectly well why it is called The Undercliff. It’s proper name is The Undercliff. It does matter. Geography matters.

tryme
Reply to  John Nash
27, October 2014 7:57 pm

I warm to your pedantry, John Nash!

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