Two Wight: MPs vote against boundary changes (updated)

News has just broken that the idea of having two MPs for the Isle of Wight has, this afternoon, been put on hold.

Just a short while ago this afternoon, the Conservative party lost the vote by 46 votes in the House of Commons to reform the boundary changes across the UK including the Isle of Wight.

The earliest that it can now happen is after the next election.

Readers will remember our report in August 2012, when Nick Clegg announced that Liberal Democrats would withdraw their support for the boundary reform.

Update 17.38: This just in from Isle of Wight MP, Andrew Turner, “This is not unexpected after the volte-face by the LibDems, but it means that plans to reduce the number of MPs will not now be in place for the next election.

“The move would have saved around £13.5m every year, but Nick Clegg MP, who originally enthusiastically supported the plans, decided to order his Lib Dem MPs to vote against them because he lost the vote on changing the House of Lords. That took very creative interpretation of the coalition agreement on his part – but it is in the nature of coalitions that there are differences of opinion and policy.

“However, locally our cross-party campaign against the Island having a cross-Solent seat is still a victory. When the changes do come in, and it is expected that they will be brought in before the election expected in 2020, the Island will have two MPs. We will go from being the largest constituency in the UK to being split into two of the smallest. We all worked together against the madness of a cross-Solent seat and were very well supported by the Island’s independent media. It was a great campaign – the results will just come a little later!”

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Tuesday, 29th January, 2013 5:24pm

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Cynic

Good news!

Bystander

So does Andrew view this as a defeat for him? Given that when he fought his OneWight campaign he claimed it as a victory when it emerged that we would be having two MPs. Or has he once again changed the goalposts and the slope of the playing surface in a further desperate attempt to save face?

tryme

I’m thoroughly confused by what he says – possibly he means that the operation was a success but the patient died…

Don Smith

Our MP never wanted two MPs on the IoW.
With a 10.000 majority who can blame him.

Maybe UKIP and a good Independent can change things. I’m sick and tired of foreigners. Not prejudice; just that I am British.

Cynic

You are already a foreigner whose forebears arrived in one of the waves of invaders and immigrants since the year dot, unless you are a Celt (and there is some suspicion about them!) :-))

Don Smith

If they have a job and speak English I would accept them, just a little.

tryme
I take it you haven’t ever made friends with anyone who’s a “foreigner” then, Don, (ie. most of the world’s pop). You couldn’t have written what you have, otherwise. Heaven help us if to be British is to write off anyone who isn’t. Come to think of it, we did leave a trail of massacres across the world in the 19th & 20th centuries, & look to… Read more »
mat

2 MP’s and the issue of boundaries isn’t linked.Turner has no business saying what he has. He should be in there demanding what is right. It looks as though we have to fight for our democratic rights all over again.

Cynic
robsuk

NOW NOW
I thought a foreigner was someone who had came from the mainland?

no.5
my favorite “Patriotism… is a superstition artificially created and maintained through a network of lies and falsehoods; a superstition that robs man of his self-respect and dignity, and increases his arrogance and conceit.” Dons bordering on racism once again, no doubt to be followed by ” I heard it from a friend of mine” as usual His dislike for forigners doesn’t stop him cruising around their Islands… Read more »
William House
You’re confused, how do you think Alan Wells, David Pugh, George Brown, Stuart Love, Steve Beynon, et al feel after their combined efforts over the last few months to oust and de-stabilise Andrew T and create waves and turbulance all round everything they touch? Even the budding Chris Whitehouse is now ‘smelling blood’ with the Newport one-way system decision today and this councils arrogance. Feeling it may… Read more »
steephilljack
Predictable blame-throwing at the Other Party from our MP: “This is not unexpected after the volte-face by the LibDems, but it means that plans to reduce the number of MPs will not now be in place for the next election”. And we won’t have two MPs for the Island either, which is not a reduction. And it also means that we will not be allowed to elect… Read more »
RTUC
Citizens of the Isle of Wight cannot allow the legislature to renege on a constitutional right. There should be no link with the current shenanigans between the ConDems. It will be a travesty of justice and anti-democratic if the status quo was to operate and two MP’s were not to emerge from the next General Election.This constituency has been merited with 2 MP’s due to its size… Read more »
wightywight
@TRUC: can you point me in the direction of the “constitutional right” please? That might be an interesting read…. I’m amused and confused at times by this certain attitude of (correctly) regarding the Island as a geographical entity, the impact on things ‘overner’ that impact the Island, the completeness of the Island because of its unique situation of, well, amongst others things, being an Island, the stretch… Read more »
tryme

So, what do the numbers mean, WW? I’m in suspense here….

wightywight
@tryme: I wondered that since there is a distinct number….and that same piece of paper has an address on it (or at least your name which attaches to an address….)that the paper is kept, not by *you* ….I wondered if someone decides it’s a good idea to see the voting pattern by geographical area….right down to street level, for example, to see how ‘boundary changes’ MIGHT impact… Read more »
tryme

Thats very interesting, WW, & come to think of it, why doesn’t it surprise me! I wonder whether obliteration of the numbers while in the votong booth would count as a ‘spoiled’ vote?….

Cynic
As far as I know, the ballot paper with your vote does not have the vote’s electoral registration number and thus cannot be linked back to the voter’s address. Any ballot papers that contained an electoral number for any reason are void. The printed/impressed number on the ballot paper links back to its counterfoil so it can be checked as genuine by the Presiding Officer in that… Read more »
Jake_Gully

Personally I’ve always thought one MP is sufficient for the Isle of Wight – Perhaps I’m wrong, but to be honest I feel there are sufficient bums on seats in the House of Commons and would prefer to save the tax payer additional expense.

wightywight
@cynic: You may find that NOT to be the case: See here for more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query/0,,-1051,00.html ….and specifically this….. “Votes can be traced by matching the numbered ballot paper to its similarly numbered counterfoil; the numbered counterfoil also bears the voter’s registration number from the electoral register which is hand-written by the Polling Clerk when the ballot paper is issued. As all the ballot papers for each candidate… Read more »
Cynic

@WW

Thanks for the info- it is news to me that Polling Clerks handwrite the voter electoral registration number on the counterfoils.

This needs investigating further!

Billy Builder
Andrew Turner might well whinge about the LibDem’s not honouring there agreement to back the boundary reform process, but the Tories did not support the LibDem’s Lords reform and actively campaigned agains electorial reform for the Commons, dispite the agreement between Clegg and Cameran that the Tory Leadership wouldn’t. Rather than having two MP’s elected on beauty contest rules, we should change to a system whereby the… Read more »
Thomas

Wighty;

We haven’t even got a written constitution, but we are a “constitutional monarchy”. We can have a constitutional right though, whether or not it is documented and you have to establish it. The right to a number of MP’s goes back to the rotten boroughs.

no.5
Bit of a misleading headline. Two MPs is still going to happen, just not a soon as I would like, we have to wait until after the next election…maybe as the boundary reform helps Tory numbers thats not such a bad idea. Turner has a selectibe memory…he campaigned for one MP for the Island but quickly changed his tune to cover not haveing a shared MP with… Read more »
wightywight
@Thomas: ah…ok. If you go back, of course, to 1654 (from memory here..) there were between three and six representatives for the Island. From around 1832 (ish) there has been one MP. It’s served us well in spite of whatever political persuasion you hold… Splitting it up (again?) will take it from the largest per capita MP to around the smallest in the UK… You takes your… Read more »
Cynic
As far as I know, the ballot paper with your vote does not have the vote’s electoral registration number and thus cannot be linked back to the voter’s address. Any ballot papers that contained an electoral number for any reason are void. The printed/impressed number on the ballot paper links back to its counterfoil so it can be checked as genuine by the Presiding Officer in that… Read more »
greenfiremouse
Whether it’s one MP or two, there is a need for genuine boundary change within the Isle of Wight. Especially Newport is carved up in a totally odd way with boundaries putting opposite sides of roads into different wards and Carisbrooke taking a large triangle out of nearly the middle of Newport. As long as this is not properly addressed, there is no point in a discussing… Read more »
wightywight

@greenfiremouse:

don’t confuse local Wards with overall ‘constitutional’ boundaries…..
Locally the Wards are important…Nationally they are somewhat irrelevant as the overall vote numbers elect…. wherever the boundary lines are drawn…
Locally, it’s a whole different ballgame…

WW

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