Island Roads Undercliff report May 2014

Undercliff Drive landslip reports by Island Roads finally released

This in from the council, in their own words, Ed


The Isle of Wight Council is considering three reports from Island Roads about sections of Undercliff Drive affected by ground movement earlier this year.

Under the highways PFI contract, should a section of the highway fail for geological or geotechnical reasons, Island Roads must provide the Isle of Wight Council with a technical report, known as a failure report.

The three reports
The three failure reports submitted by Island Roads relate to geological failures to sections of road in the Undercliff area between Ventnor and Niton. The reports, which can be found on iwight.com, outline:

  • how the geological failure has impacted on the activities of Island Roads;
  • how the geological failure has affected the highways PFI project network;
  • what actions Island Roads has taken in the lead up to and following the geological failure;
  • what actions Island Roads proposes to rectify, manage and/or mitigate the geological failure; and
  • a financial estimate of costs of proposals.

The Isle of Wight Council will now need to consider the contents of the reports before recommendations about the future of the site can be put before the council’s Executive.

Cllr Stubbings: “It remains a very anxious time for residents”
Councillor Steve Stubbings, deputy leader and local member for Ventnor West, said:

“It remains a very anxious time for residents directly affected by the ground movement along the Undercliff and we would like to assure all those affected that we are doing all we can to reach a point where we can make a decision on the road’s future as quickly as possible.”

Although the reports outline potential solutions to the failure, they indicate that it will not be possible to carry out a detailed assessment of the potential solutions until it can be confirmed that ground movement in the area has ceased.

Cllr Jordan: “Likely to generate questions”
Councillor Phil Jordan, Executive member for public protection, said:

“We felt it was very important to publish the failure reports online as soon as possible so that residents have access to the same information as the council on this matter.

“It is likely that the reports will generate questions for residents – who quite rightly want answers on the future of the Undercliff – but it is important that we take the time to consider all of the technical information in detail, and seek further advice if required, before commenting on any of the proposals put forward by Island Roads.

“The reports raise some complex and detailed issues and we are correctly seeking clarification on those issues without further delay.”

Properties and ground water levels being assessed
The council’s building control officers are inspecting properties in the affected area weekly to check for new movement and Island Roads continues to undertake detailed monitoring of ground movement and ground water levels.

Current data shows that the ground is continuing to move although it has slowed significantly from the rates experienced earlier in the year.

The three failure reports have been posted on the council’s website so that residents and affected parties can study the thoughts of Island Roads and its specialist geotechnical consultants.

A report will go to the council’s Executive once officers have had time to consider the failure reports. It will be for the Executive to decide which, if any, of the solutions put forward by Island Roads can be implemented.


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Steve Goodman
29, May 2014 2:19 pm

I’m reminded of Mike Starke’s reminder earlier this month that a lot of time & money could have been saved, & misery avoided, by listening to Dr Bruce Denness, the Island-born-and bred expert on the Undercliff’s geology since the ill-fated High-Point Rendel contract collapsed seven years ago. (Tony Bracegirdle, director of Geotechnics Consulting Group, for H-PR, said of Dr Denness’s new diagnosis of the area’s landslip risks:… Read more »

political balls
Reply to  Steve Goodman
29, May 2014 2:45 pm

But it wasnt. And they didnt listen. So now, a major landslip has occurred – its likely that the land would have moved even if people had listened to Dr Denness. Blame and recrimination might make some people feel better. Solving the problem is more useful. Its not yet clear if a solution is possible or how long it would last for – that much is clear… Read more »

WWR
Reply to  political balls
29, May 2014 3:28 pm

It is absolutely and utterly wrong for you to state “its likely that the land would have moved even if people had listened to Dr Denness”.

You have no basis for that and you’re just talking out of the top of your hat!

Billy Builder
Reply to  WWR
29, May 2014 4:07 pm

Unfortunately if an area is susceptible to land slippage it is very difficult to prevent that slippage. I believe that what was proposed by Dr Denness was a network of drainage to collect rainwater before it was able to infiltrate the subsoil. This would certainly have reduced the possibility of future slippage. The worst possible conditions for slippage in land of this nature is the cyclic wetting… Read more »

vix
Reply to  WWR
29, May 2014 4:49 pm

When it comes to the Under cliff and ‘what ifs’ then I’m afraid that both sides are talking out of their hats to some extent. Though I tend to agree that even with management, the geology of the under cliff means that some movement is inevitable. Blame is pointless. A future needs to be agreed and that’s the only way forward.

political balls
Reply to  WWR
29, May 2014 4:51 pm

Why is it wrong? Its a fact. Regardless of the drainage that could have been put in place if Dr Denness had been listened to, the area is still a high risk landslip area. It IS very likely the land would have moved regardless of any measures to prevent it. Then again, his measures may have delayed movement. No-one knows, so quite how you can claim I… Read more »

t
29, May 2014 3:33 pm

A number of years ago, Dr Bruce Denness arranged an excellent Conference at Cowes where specialists from all over the country and beyond convened to discuss how to handle the destructive effects of climate change on our Island. I don’t know whether a strategy has been developed to build upon their conclusions, but I sincerely hope so. It is needed.

Mason Watch
29, May 2014 4:35 pm

The overwhelming issue is the underlying geology…the area is unstable by its very nature. Add in the wettest winter and there’s nothing that will prevent movement. There’s a huge amount of merit in control of the drainage (which is the lubricant of movement) but I suspect no money to pay for it. Ultimately building on a landslip is going to be a risk. My question is whether… Read more »

Tosh
Reply to  Mason Watch
29, May 2014 5:05 pm

MW who can say if this pump was working at the time of this slip.When SWBC had control of this pump it was checked at least once a week by there own engineers,working under the late Fred Joiner.And serviced or checked by engineers working for JH Toogood &son.when IWC took over the work Toogoods contract ended.Control of this was then handed to property services.there might be records… Read more »

Philip Hawkins
Reply to  Mason Watch
29, May 2014 8:22 pm

Yes the pump was working. There was a picture published on this website (when the Ventnor end of the road was re-opened because of the slip at the Niton end)that clearly shows it discharging into the gap between the road and the re-inforcing beam – adding to the water pooling in that gap.

Fairy Mother
Reply to  Philip Hawkins
30, May 2014 9:11 am

I’m not sure that’s true. One resident told me that they saw it being switched on (for the first time in a very long time) after the landslip had occurred.

Lee Morris
29, May 2014 4:40 pm

In the Vinci Ringway Capital Scheme Proposals for Undercliff Drive published in January 2013 and upon which the design for the current solution/scheme started in November 2013, it was stated that the design would not include any groundwater drainage. In the report published by Rambol the graph showing the 4 monthly cumulative rainfall from 10.1995 to 10.2013 shows 3 major peaks appertaining to the Caravan Park section… Read more »

Cllr Chris Whitehouse (Newport West)
29, May 2014 10:04 pm

In fact the underlying issue here is the hypocrisy of Cllrs Stubbings and Jordan who have, frankly, little interest or motivation to help the local residents and have done little to advance the cause of investment in finding a long term solution to this problem. #hypocrisy

Cllr Chris Whitehouse (Newport West)

political balls
Reply to  Cllr Chris Whitehouse (Newport West)
30, May 2014 8:32 am

Chris, the underlying issue here is the fact that the whole area is sliding downhill and peoples properties are at risk. For crying out loud, stop the political ranting. Its boring, predictable, and does not contribute to anything at all except perhaps stoking your own ego. If you have sensible comments to make, with possible solutions that Island Roads might be able to consider, then make those… Read more »

Tosh
Reply to  Cllr Chris Whitehouse (Newport West)
30, May 2014 11:54 am

That is very rich coming from some one who has just moved to the Island.For the past 8 years your party was in control of this and other pumps in this area. please show us the documents that these pumps were serviced correctly or shut up

Stewart Blackmore
Reply to  Cllr Chris Whitehouse (Newport West)
30, May 2014 2:43 pm

Again, no bandwagon upon which Cllr Whitehouse will not gleefully jump. The sheer front of this man is breathtaking to the extreme. Steve Stubbings and I have, for sure, had our differences, but I fail to see how he (and Phil Jordan) can be blamed for something which was under the Tories’ purview for many years and about which they did nothing. As my late granny used… Read more »

Cynic
Reply to  Stewart Blackmore
30, May 2014 3:17 pm

A granny who quotes Oscar Wilde is to be treasured! :-))

sam salt
29, May 2014 10:52 pm

Chris the only hypocrisy here is from you. You seem to ignore or forget that it was your Conservative administration that could and should have taken this in hand some time ago. They ignored the issue and ruined the lives of those poor people affected by this.

Dementia
30, May 2014 9:33 am

No point in the armchair experts (apologies to those among you who are indeed experts ) arguing now. Especially those who more or less say ‘serve you right for living there’. What we need is the truth of what happened and who is really to blame. Those who live locally and saw what was going on must be listened to. Mudslinging in is not helpful. The important… Read more »

Man in Black
Reply to  Dementia
30, May 2014 10:55 am

Well said Dementia. The stock reply from the armchair experts of it’s an area prone to landslips, there was loads of rain etc, just won’t cut it for the residents who saw first hand what was going on during the roadworks.

Questions need to be answered and I suspect there are people who DO know what went on but aren’t saying.

Vix
Reply to  Dementia
30, May 2014 12:54 pm

Finding out the truth and who is to blame will not solve the situation now. We need to move on.

Sandra
Reply to  Vix
30, May 2014 3:30 pm

That may be your view Vix, but perhaps not the view of the insurance companies or the nine families who have prematurely had to leave their homes.

Dementia
30, May 2014 10:23 am

Sorry…..that should have been their homes !

Cynic
30, May 2014 10:40 am

CW might reflect that his party in Westminster is strongly promoting tracking, especially in Solent and IoW areas Given the Island’s geological instability and evidence from the US, tracking would have deleterious effects on a 10km radius of the drilling site affecting property prices and insurance premiums. The latest ploy of offering £20,000 to property owners above potential tracking damage would be a drop in an ocean… Read more »

Highway to Hell
Reply to  Cynic
30, May 2014 10:50 am

I take it you mean ‘Fracking’ not ‘Tracking’?

Cynic
Reply to  Highway to Hell
30, May 2014 11:23 am

@HTH OOOPS! You are right-thanks.

Fracking, Fracking, Fracking !!! (This new keyboard keeps doing predictive text!)

Tosh
Reply to  Cynic
30, May 2014 11:58 am

Read befor you post :-}

Cynic
30, May 2014 12:02 pm

@Tosh “Read befor(?) you post :-}”

Indeed! :-))

Tosh
Reply to  Cynic
30, May 2014 12:04 pm

Cynic we all do it LOL

Dementia
30, May 2014 1:11 pm

Finding the truth and who is to blame is essential. Until this is sorted out the displaced residents
cannot move on. From what I hear they are being offered derisory amounts from their
Insurance Companies.

davidwalter
30, May 2014 3:14 pm

There must be loads of cover sloshing around covering the IWC, contractors, professionals, etc. as well as sums insured by residents? Surely that’s what insurance is for? You can’t replace exactly what’s lost but a fair financial settlement would let people move on with their lives.

buckle
30, May 2014 4:15 pm

If the protracted delay to making any decision regarding the future of the road is an attempt to ‘time-out’ any legal action for negligence or blight from home owners, then it should not be forgotten that the insurance companies will already be looking to recover any funds paid out. It will not be beyond the thoughts of dedicated loss adjusters and the respective underwriters that there may… Read more »

political balls
Reply to  buckle
30, May 2014 6:06 pm

I wouldnt worry about insurance companies – the homes along the undercliff have been uninsurable for years, as are most homes in landslip areas, flood plains, etc.

Sandra
Reply to  political balls
30, May 2014 6:18 pm

I suggest you stop talking until you know what you’re talking about.

Cynic
Reply to  political balls
30, May 2014 6:27 pm

…. and areas due to be tracked?

Dementia
30, May 2014 6:55 pm

Politiical balls just about sums his opinions up.
Does he live on the Undercliffe ?
I do and he’s talking nonsense.

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