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Jon Platt school holidays fine case: Council reveal possible cost of High Court action

Late on Friday afternoon the Isle of Wight council announced they would be appealing to the High Court in the case of Jon Platt’s unpaid school absence fines.

Magistrates had said that Jon had no case to answer after the Isle of Wight took him to court for an unpaid fine of £60 (which rose to £120) after he took his six year old daughter out of school for a week for a family holiday in Florida.

Good attendance
Jon Platt’s defence argued that because his daughter had attendance of over 90%, he should not have received a fine for removing her from school for a family holiday. The Magistrates agreed and said he had no case to answer.

News of the case went national, with Jon appearing on several national TV programmes including Sky News, Good Morning, BBC South Today and BBC Breakfast.

Council to appeal
There was considerable aghast from Islanders on hearing the news, with many asking how the cash-strapped council could afford to take this case to the High Court.

As you might expect, we asked the council what they estimated the cost would be.

Today (Monday) the council has confirmed they expect the action to cost around £10,000. The money would be taken from their reserves.

A statement from the council received this afternoon read,

An Isle of Wight Council spokesperson confirmed that the appeal to the High Court is solely on the interpretation of the law on school attendance, so that the council, schools and parents can have clarity about the law and how it impacts on decisions about attendance.

It is estimated the appeal would cost no more than £10,000, with funds provided from the council’s reserves.

No interference from Government
Given the national coverage and implications on education authorities around the country, it had been suggested by some that perhaps pressure had been put on the council by the Government to take the action.

However, the Isle of Wight Council spokesperson said,

“The council has neither contacted nor been contacted by central government in relation to this matter.”

Platt: “In everyone’s interest”
Jon Platt, who, on principal, spent £1,000 fighting the £120 fine, told OnTheWight on Friday afternoon (when we broke the news to him),

“It probably is in everyone’s interest for this matter to be clarified beyond any doubt.”

Jon had not been informed of the intended legal action by the council when they issued their press release on Friday afternoon, but papers were hand-delivered to him over the weekend.

Image: Kevin Dooley under CC BY 2.0

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Steephill Jack
2, November 2015 8:16 pm

The matter must be resolved within the legal system for the benefit of all education authorities and schools.
I have sympathy with Jon Platt and his challenge to this law, but maybe it’s just our bad luck that he happens to be living here.

Stewart Blackmore
Reply to  Steephill Jack
2, November 2015 9:03 pm

As this is a matter of clarification, and could have consequences for ALL councils, I would have thought that this should be pursued through the Local Government Association with the cost spread as the outcome will be binding on all.

phil jordan
Reply to  Stewart Blackmore
9, January 2016 12:35 am

Stewart:

…they won’t fund it :0(

philg7bzd
2, November 2015 9:03 pm

So our cash strapped council want to waste what little money they keep telling us they have ?

Why.

John
2, November 2015 9:14 pm

Instead of blaming the Council, or Mr Platt, (either of whom could have avoided the action) perhaps there is a question of why the (IW?) magistrate(s) judged differently to other magistrates around the country? Magistrates apparently do not have anonymity – as has been tested elsewhere in the country by media organisations…

Peter
2, November 2015 10:16 pm

These councillors need to be horse whipped . They keep telling us there is no money for services , yet can spend £10.000 to get £120. It’s disgusting . Sack the lot of them .I know John will win this . Good on him .

kevin1746
Reply to  Peter
3, November 2015 4:06 pm

if it turns out that variations on a percentage of attendence time is the deciding factor and this becomes law…how much will the council have to pay back to parents already fined.

No wonder it is being contested

Oldie
Reply to  kevin1746
3, November 2015 4:25 pm

And you could also add,Kevin, no wonder other authorities are not going to law over the issue. Councillors need to think ahead a bit more when they are playing with other people’s (in this case the Island taxpayers’) money. Sometimes it’s better to let sleeping dogs lie. (Or as Violet said in Downton Abbey a week ago: if you unleash the hounds of war you must go… Read more »

phil jordan
Reply to  Peter
9, January 2016 12:34 am

Peter:

I’m not sure anyone reading this understands your figures….. we need parents to understand when children need to go to school…. is that a difficult concept?

Who is this serving….parents, challengers, ……or children who grow into adults …and their outcomes and opportunities….?

Btw, most schools want us to establish what the criteria is……

Anthony
3, November 2015 1:49 am

Is it possible to declare November a [part of comment removed]

Isla White
3, November 2015 8:48 am

Unfortunately this whole mess is yet another example of minority rule. A handful of irresponsible parents fail to make sure their little darlings attend school, and we all have to suffer. Drop the case and save the money for goodness sake.

Jon Platt
Reply to  Isla White
8, January 2016 9:26 pm

Dear Isla, Apologies for the delay in responding, very busy etc. As I write this I am in Lapland with my kids, my mum and dad, 2 sisters and their partners and kids, brother his partner and kids. We’re on holiday skiing together. Just got back from visiting Santa in his secret hideaway,great experience. My ‘little darlings’ are loving it I am delighted to tell you. Minority… Read more »

phil jordan
Reply to  Jon Platt
9, January 2016 12:28 am

Jon Platt:

thanks for that…..

can you quantify what “EXCELLENT (sic) attendance” actually looks like….?

thanks

phil jordan
Reply to  Isla White
9, January 2016 12:30 am

isla white:

you’re joking….right?

Colin
3, November 2015 9:29 am

Attendance at schools is a basic requirement for the pupils to be able to learn what the schools have to teach. Attendance is a problem on the Island (and elsewhere)and the council spends thousands every year in chasing up those who do not attend school. £10,000 or whatever this action will cost is a pittance in the scale of things. I don’t particularly agree with the fine… Read more »

Mark Francis
3, November 2015 9:44 am

I agree with Colin. I do not like the idea of teachers being able to fine parents but 90% I do not see as a particularly high attendance rate – implying an average of 1 day off per fortnight.
It is always argued that holidays are as educational as school – really?
How many people spend their holidays checking out museums or lying on the beach?

Rupert Besley
3, November 2015 9:54 am

One thing that parents who take their children on holiday in term-time seem to ignore (or maybe fail to be aware of) is the knock-on effect for others. In my teaching days I worked in a variety of schools. Two come to mind (I’ll call them Type A) in which parental support was strong, attendance rigorously enforced and academic performance high. When a pupil was off, that… Read more »

Oldie
3, November 2015 11:05 am

I’d like to know the names of the councillors who voted to spend our money this way and also why they didn’t do as Stewart Blackmore suggested above. This situation affects the whole country and has drastically affected those working in the tourist trade especially in Cornwall and probably the Island by shortening the holiday season. There also appears to be a grey area as one constantly… Read more »

Ex pupil
3, November 2015 2:15 pm

90% attendance. Over a 13/14 year period equates to over a whole year off school. That’s not good in my book.

Oldie
3, November 2015 3:34 pm

If you want to put things into the perspective of a 13/14 year period, then also consider this: the school day at most Island schools is between one and two hours shorter than that at a lot of mainland schools, especially the faith schools, grammar schools, certain single sex secondary schools and those in the independant sector. That is a MINIMUM of 180 extra hours of tuition… Read more »

Vix Lowthion
Reply to  Oldie
3, November 2015 7:18 pm

“the school day at most Island schools is between one and two hours shorter than that at a lot of mainland schools”

What evidence are you basing this on?

Oldie
Reply to  Vix Lowthion
3, November 2015 11:27 pm

There is no Government ruling on the length of the school day Vix, it is left to the the school governing bodies to decide as you probably know. All the Government legislation says is that in state schools each school day must be divided into two sessions with a break in between. Therefore the only way to find out is by googling school websites and looking for… Read more »

Colin
Reply to  Oldie
4, November 2015 9:35 am

@ oldie I think you may find that there is a standard amount of teaching time throughout England. What differs is the length of breaks. The dinner break at many schools has been shortened so that there is only just time to eat lunch. Why is this, you may ask? It’s so that those running the schools don’t have to pay anymore than absolutely necessary for the… Read more »

Oldie
Reply to  Colin
4, November 2015 11:39 am

‘There is a standard amount of teaching time throughout England’. On what is your evidence based Colin? I’m afraid Colin it’s just not so. All you have to do is Google ‘length of school day UK’ and there’s piles of bone fide websites you can go into for anyone with the time or desire to do so. For instance in DFEE Circular 7/90: all you’ll find Colin… Read more »

Victor Meldrew
3, November 2015 8:20 pm

On Law in Action. R4 this afternoon, this case was highlighted. Evidently a case has already gone to the High Court that found in favour of the parents against a London Borough. Apparently this does not affect the outcome of this case but the Council need not have taken this case to the High Court. As it affects all councils they could have asked the LAA or,… Read more »

Colin
Reply to  Victor Meldrew
4, November 2015 12:12 pm

@ oldie

probably something to do with 1265 hours that a teachers contract is based on.

Vix could probably fill you in on the details.

Vix Lowthion
4, November 2015 5:14 pm

Most high schools on the island have 5×1 hour lessons each day = 25 hours a week. As already explained above, school days can vary between state ie not private establishments, but that is largely due to the length of break times. Research shows that beginning the school day earlier and ending earlier is the most beneficial standard for early teens. For later teens, later starts are… Read more »

A.Pugin
4, November 2015 5:26 pm

Hold on a minute-private school teachers are not paid any extra for providing extra curricular activities, neither are state sector teachers. However, private schools (being free of the unions) have the balls to put into their contracts an “expectation” (not compulsion) to engage in such activities. Therefore the statement that this provision costs more money is untrue- the unfortunate fact of the matter is that teaching staff… Read more »

Vix Lowthion
Reply to  A.Pugin
4, November 2015 6:06 pm

Costs are not just teaching time. Heating, lighting, cleaning, land for sports, minibuses, materials for art groups – all of these things cost extra money, which the state schools just are not given.

Davinia Winch
4, November 2015 10:51 pm

My fines are due to be paid on Friday. Having to pay as can’t risk the outcome.
Go Jon!
Is there a fitting fund to help with the costs? I will donate and help raise.

oldie
4, November 2015 11:42 pm

I agree with A Pugin. Further more, extra curricular activities especially in music, drama, sport, debating, school trips during the holidays and weekends used to be provided voluntarily by teachers in many of the best state schools as well, before the bureaucracy of the national curriculum took up all of a teacher’s spare time. Furthermore, it is just not so Vix that the school day in primary… Read more »

Colin
Reply to  oldie
5, November 2015 9:12 am

…yes, well it’s the torygraph.

Back here in reality the penny pinching attitude of the academies has led some staff to revolt.

..and the point of this thread was getting pupils in to school for the current day, so any further activities would be pointless.

You’re not Gove in disguise are you, Oldie?

Oldie
5, November 2015 11:32 am

Don’t be silly Colin. I was only following up expupils point above if you’ll take a look, plus your belief that there is a standard amount of teaching time in the UK. You’ll notice I did try to bring the thread back to Jon Platt but you and Vix kept trying to deflect me. I could have quoted piles of examples of schools on the mainland instead… Read more »

James
20, January 2016 5:17 pm

What was the outcome of this?

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