The country responds to Andrew Turner’s comments on homosexuality

The response to OnTheWight breaking the story about Andrew Turner’s ‘homosexuality is wrong’ comment have been rapid and furious. It’s all over the nationals, raising much comment.

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Earlier today (Friday) Conservative MP, Andrew Turner told A-level students that homosexuality is “wrong” and “dangerous to society”.

Not surprisingly, the news has spread nationally pretty quickly, being picked up by National newspapers as well as LGBTQ publications and bloggers.

Labour election boss: “Theresa May should intervene”
There have been countless calls across social media for Mr Turner’s resignation, including from Labour’s election boss, Andrew Gwynne, who told PinkNews,

“These allegations are deeply worrying. Theresa May should intervene and investigate immediately, and if true, Andrew Turner needs to be suspended as a Tory candidate.

“There is no place for bigotry and hatred like this in modern society, and no one holding these views is fit for public office.

“I look forward to Theresa May doing the right thing, and speaking out against these homophobic allegations and show that she is now serious about LGBT equality.”

Youth MP: “This man can never again speak for us”
Isle of Wight Member of Youth Parliament, Joe Davies, told OnTheWight,

“Andrew Turner has today proved that he is unfit for office as the Isle of Wight’s MP. He has a truly awful voting record regarding LGBT rights and his comments today confirm that he is a absolute homophobe.

“I am calling on him to resign, and on Ian Ward, chairman of the Isle of Wight Conservative Association to rescind their nomination. This man can never again speak for us whilst holding our LGBT community, of which we are so proud, in contempt. Love wins, and, come the 8th of June, so must anyone but Turner.”

IW Pride: “Deeply shocked and saddened”
Matthew Bundy from Isle of Wight Pride told OnTheWight,

“As a group we avoid making political comments, but in the light of the attached Facebook post by Esther, we are deeply shocked and saddened.

“Any person who makes such a statement in a public forum as our MP is dangerous. Suicide rates amongst LGBT young people are still disproportionately high. Mr Turner did not know if anyone in the room was struggling with their Sexuality or Gender identity and he does not know how his comments may impacted on those present.

“There are lots of organisations available to provide support and guidance to LGBT young people, including Stonewall and also our own Breakout Youth service.

“Nobody should be told they are a danger to society based on who they love or their Gender identity.
Isle of Wight Pride have not specifically invited any individuals as we want to be as inclusive as possible and want All to feel welcome.

“We openly welcome Mr Turner to attend Pride, meet some of his own constituents that he is supposed to fully represent and find out for himself that we are not a dangerous group of Human Beings and that #LoveWins.”

Lowthion: “Deeply deeply worrying”
Leader of the Isle of Wight Green Party and prospective parliamentary candidate, Vix Lowthion, said,

“Deeply deeply worrying. This seems to be appalling behaviour from an MP who is supposed to represent all his constituents. Sadly I am not shocked.

“We have a number of young, gay, green councillor candidates standing up for election to our council on Thursday. I am horrified that our current MP could think that they are Wrong and Dangerous to Society.

“It frankly makes me feel sick.

“We have to stand as our community and fully reject any such poisonous attitudes and set of values.
They don’t speak for me. They don’t speak for many of us.”

LibDems condemn Turner’s comments
Nicholas Belfitt, Isle of Wight Liberal Democrats prospective parliamentary candidate, told OnTheWight,

“The Isle of Wight Liberal Democrats condemn Andrew Turner’s comments today. We at the Isle of Wight Lib Dems want to reinforce our commitment to helping and supporting the LGBT+ community on the Island, and are against all kinds of discrimination, and discrimination at any level.

“What Mr Turner has said is wrong, discriminatory and brings into question in his position as a MP.

“Our PPC Nick Belfitt has and will continue to work closely with groups like Pride on the Isle of Wight to make sure we can be build a better inclusive community on the Island. We look forward to working with Isle of Wight Pride and LGBT+ community in the future.”

Petition: Stand down Turner
An online petition has been created set up calling for Andrew Turner to stand down as Isle of Wight MP.

Set up by Chris Ilott, the petition reads,

“On Friday morning, Andrew Turner (MP for the Isle of Wight) openly said to a class of A Level politics students that homosexuality was both “wrong” and “dangerous to society.

“I can speak for the vast majority of people when I say that these views are not welcome in 2017. Not in public and certainly not in politics. This type of language is harmful to the LGBTQ+ community on a scale that people like Turner cannot even imagine.

“This petition demands that Turner does not run as candidate for the Conservative Party on the Isle of Wight in the General Election, as his views do not represent the majority of voters on the Island.”

Friday, 28th April, 2017 5:00pm

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54 Comments

  1. Suruk the Slayer


    28.Apr.2017 5:49pm

    Like wolves circling a wounded moose…..

    • ZedsDead78


      28.Apr.2017 11:13pm

      Everyone loves freedom of speech until it offends someone. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter what others may think or believe.

      • Yes people are entitled to there opinion but when you are an MP representing the people of the Isle of Wight how can you talk about people in that manner he is exposed to represent everyone if he was not in the position he was in he would not of got such a huge reaction. If you are in public office you have to careful what you say and how you say it.

      • toffeeblue


        3.May.2017 2:28pm

        Well said! Sick and tired of the PC brigade telling us what to do and think.

        • Steve Goodman


          3.May.2017 5:50pm

          ?
          Timely reminder; it’s not easy for anyone to control the thoughts of others, nor is it easy to stop people doing or saying stupid things which make some other people sick and tired of the stupidity. And it’s not to hard, and usually beneficial, to try harder to be more considerate to each other.

  2. retired hack


    28.Apr.2017 5:53pm

    If I were a candidate for a respectable political party on the Island, I would hesitate to share a hustings platform with Mr Turner if he survives as the Tories’ choice.
    #TimeToGo.

  3. He is entitled to his opinion. The Tory party is not a dictatorship, and many within might disagree.
    Long live freedom of speech – Brussels might not agree.

    Luisa Hillard just told me he will “nod on command”.
    How she has underestimated him.

  4. msstgordon


    28.Apr.2017 7:24pm

    When I wrote and asked him to sign an early day motion regarding the fact that feminine hygiene products had the Luxury Tax on them…he said he couldn’t see the point! I’m glad he’s gone. He was self serving and clearly didn’t care about people.

    • Romans 1:26-28 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

      • George, there are also other scriptures.

      • Those who seek to shield their bigotry behind archaic dogma do so only because they are bereft of any rational defence for such vilenes

      • Robert Jones


        30.Apr.2017 7:09pm

        George – just don’t be daft, all right? You’re citing texts that are thousands of years old, written by an isolated scribe, on matters which have no relevance whatsoever to life today and weren’t even generally accepted then. Presumably you’d call yourself a Christian – there are two texts condemning homosexuality in the Bible. One is Leviticus, whose writer wasn’t a Christian at all, the other, as here, is (arguably) Paul – I don’t recall for the moment whether this is one of the disputed epistles or is generally accepted as his. Christ himself, however, had absolutely nothing to say about homosexuality: don’t you think, if you do think, that if it actually mattered a jot, he might have done?

      • toffeeblue


        3.May.2017 2:29pm

        Well said George. With you 100%

  5. There is no place for hatred and bigotry and he calls himself a Christian. Good riddance!

    • Shock horror as Christian claims to agree with Bible.

      The belief that sexual acts are only right in marriage, which can only be between two people of opposite sex, is orthodox Christian belief (not to mention most other world faiths).

      • David Chiverton


        28.Apr.2017 10:48pm

        Odd that he didn’t seem to stick to the Bible when it came to living with his partner out of marriage. Sounds like plain old homphobia to me.

      • Robert Jones


        30.Apr.2017 7:11pm

        As the Bible isn’t a Christian book, until we get to the Gospels (which don’t mention homosexuality at all) this is a pretty weak argument.

        But it doesn’t stop bigots from advancing it: blasphemously, some might say.

        • toffeeblue


          3.May.2017 2:30pm

          The Bible isn’t a Christian book? Why not tear out the bits that offend you?

          • Suruk the Slayer


            3.May.2017 2:37pm

            The Old Testament, with all of the hellfire and damnation stuff in it, *isn’t* a Christian book as it predates the birth of Christ (the clue is in the name of the religion).

            The New Testament is the Christian book, and says nothing about homosexuality as Robert Jones rightly points out.

          • Robert Jones


            3.May.2017 7:36pm

            Try not to be dense? Of course it isn’t – all of the Old Testament was written before Christ was even a gleam in the eye of whoever his parent might have been. It’s a Jewish book, or collection of books, if it’s anything. And it can hardly really be called that, since other than a form of primitive Judaism, and Baalism, there was precious little else available as a religious philosophy at the time.

            Why is it that people who call themselves Christians have so poor an understanding of the origins of their own religion?

      • retired hack


        30.Apr.2017 8:30pm

        How on earth can it be “orthodox Christian belief” if Christ said nothing about it?

        • toffeeblue


          3.May.2017 2:50pm

          The Old and New Testaments constitute the whole of the Bible – have you ever read it?

          • Steve Goodman


            3.May.2017 6:24pm

            I had to a long time ago. From memory, it contains a lot of contradictory and nonsensical messages, instructions, lessons, and predictions in addition to some good stuff, and a lot of nastiness in addition to the ‘best to be nice to each other’ messages most often heard from modern clergy. (Part of the religious ‘brigade making some people sick and tired by trying to tell them what to say and think’ perhaps?).

    • mark francis


      29.Apr.2017 2:12am

      Yes there is. Hatred & bigotry has kept the church going for a couple of thousand years.

      Professor Jared Diamond gives the 6 uses of religion as 1. explaining natural events we dont understand by supernatural means. 2. giving comfort to adherents. 3. explaining events we have no control over 4. promoting obedience to the kleptocracy, 5. regulating exchanges between strangers within your own community 6. justifying dying for your community and killing other non-believing communities to take their resources.

      And I thought it was all just a money making scam. My mum was right all along.

  6. Turner failed to heed the political survival message of Farron’s “The Art of Lying”.

  7. I know nothing about him personally, and have no clue about his past record or performance , but he is entitled to have an opinion on this subject. He is saying what many of us think. There is so much vitriol against those with Christian values or any values which don’t fit political correctness. If the World was gay civilisation would disappear. Procreation comes from normal heterosexual relationships. End of story. Thank God that some people are not afraid to swim against the tide.

    • Get out of the manger!! Yes he is entitled to his opinion, as are you, but what a lot of people who scream “freedom of speech” forget, when someone gets shouted down for an opinion that they also happen to hold, is that while you have a right to hold and articulate any opinion you deem true, that does not grant that opinion or you immunity from scrutiny, judgement and condemnation… This is especially true if you hold or intend to run for public office.

      As to ‘Christian Values’, what I normally find when people hide behind ‘Christian Values’ when vilifying a sizeable percentage of the population as, ‘not right’ or ‘unnatural’ for simply being how god made them, is a personal deep-seated disquiet at the thought of two guys getting it on. I find it quite telling that we rarely hear the homaphobes baning on about Amy and Eve, it’s always Adam and Steve that always peeks their ire.

      Much like the dog in the manger who denies the other animals the hay there in simply because he doesn’t need or want it and can’t comprehend how any one would or could, homophobes seek to vilify and deny the god created biology and intrinsic nature of those in the LGBT+ community, because they have no interest in the same sex relations and BECAUSE they are not biologically pre-disposed to being attracted to the same sex they have a hard time comprehending why anyone would, and thus find the notion disconcerting and wrong… They don’t understand it and therefore attack it.

      You may call it political correctness gone mad but I find it offensive and dangerous to vilify someone simply because of what their biology forces them to be. It’s like picking on gingers for simply being gingers (“gingers don’t have souls!!!!” And so on) or the long held belief that people of African decent or other dark skinned non-Caucasian origin were some how subhuman, or that women are somehow not as cabable as men. Or a less contentious example that, none the less, messed up more than a few people and still causes hassle today, is the demonisation of left handed people because they were seen as somehow ,’sinister’, unlucky or unclean. Many many children down the ages have been forced to do everything they would do with their left hand with their right as being left handed was seen as wrong. And as I mentioned, if you are one of the 10% of the population who is left handed you will be very much aware that there is a pronounced righthanded bias in the world. (Scissors, knives, computers, ATMs… and so on).

      It’s been discovered that 10% of the male population is gay.. that is to say that their genetics/biology means they are sexually attracted to the same sex. This is no different than the other 90% being attracted to the opposite sex as dictated by thier biology. Neither the gay person or the heterosexual person has any choice in this. Much like both have no control over their ethnicity, eye colour or indeed if they are left or right handed.

      To pick on someone or a group for their sexual orientation is just as dumb and wrong as picking on someone for being left handed, or black, or ginger or a woman. It’s like picking on someone with autism simply because they are non-neurotypical. You can dress it up as ‘Christian Values’ all day long, it doesn’t change the fact that it is simply wrong. And there is no rational argument to can make in defence of it.

      • Luisa Hillard


        2.May.2017 9:36pm

        Well said, ohnhai.

        I notice that men tend to be much more accepting of gay women (not a threat), than gay men (a threat). I think this sums it up perfectly:

        “Homophobia: The Fear That Gay Men Will Treat You The Way You Treat Women”

  8. This guy is, and always was, an embarrassing buffoon who does the Island no credit whatsoever.

  9. The anger expressed by ohnhai simply illustrates the point made by roydini that the vitriol comes from those who take the view that same sex relationships are not just to be accepted but endorsed as in some way they are normal. Once again an opinion supporting heterosexual relationships is assassinated with an obtuse cringeworthy justification

    • Well said, Sagaluma. Andrew Turner wasn’t preaching hatred unlike those of a certain other religion, he was merely stating a personal view. Perhaps he could have phrased it better but it certainly wasn’t a hate rant, not that these Leftie bigots will ever accept a point of view that doesn’t tally with their socialist dogma.

  10. Robert Jones


    30.Apr.2017 7:16pm

    Turner wasn’t ‘preaching’ anything: he was simply talking utter nonsense. He’s fully entitled to think that homosexuality is ‘wrong’, if he really can be bothered to care, but he was simply drivelling when he described it as a ‘threat to society’. It is not remotely a threat to society – the very idea is infantile.

    As for ‘wrong’ – on what basis is that claim advanced? Leviticus? Romans? Consult the Gospels and find me one comment from Christ himself that even related to homosexuality – you can’t, because there’s nothing.

    • retired hack


      30.Apr.2017 8:38pm

      Quite. And it’s a short, slippery slope from demonising people as “a threat to society” to punishing them as a populist political strategy. It’s happening right now in Chechnya. It’s happened in fairly recent European history. Persecution of minorities never ends well. No Christian should go anywhere near it.

      • You probably also support Apostasy then. After all, its designed to deal with anyone who challenges an ancient belief based on a religious doctrine. The exception, however, is that in over 10 countries in the World, its punishable by death. Once again we should be thankful that we live in a Country where people can express their views without fear of recrimination. Oh no, perhaps we cant !!

        • Robert Jones


          3.May.2017 7:32pm

          There is no country in the world, and nor should there be, where views can be expressed without recrimination. All are open to challenge. The fact is, however, that public opinion has moved on and left the likes of Andrew beached like a suffering whale – and frankly not before time.

          There are countries in which you can’t express a view without being stoned, tortured to death, or thrown off the top of a building, but their relevance to this discussion is obscure.

          (As is mine for choosing a new username: I became confused by the criteria required for acquiring an account, but am unable to change it to the snappier and more accurate Robert Jones, unless, by fluttering my eyelashes roguishly at Sally Perry, she can do it for me?)

  11. Jeremy Cox


    2.May.2017 6:24pm

    I think that the percentage of homosexuals is nearer 2% than 10% except in the Kinsey report which is widely discredited

    • Luisa Hillard


      2.May.2017 9:29pm

      I expect that those percentages are correct, based on those who have had to pick a choice on a form…

      But how many of the 98% once felt attraction for an individual of the same gender? Experimented? Or kissed a mate on a night out? Or even had a same gender partner at one point in their life?

      I’m not convinced that sexuality is black and white. Not gay or straight. There’s a whole 50 shades of grey in there between the two definite camps.

      How people experience their sexuality may be fluid to some degree. For example, the person who gets married and has children, but later divorces and feels more comfortable being gay. Or accepts that they are transgender. (straight person in the wrong gender body? I think it must be very confusing.)

      Or a person may be naturally bisexual but not have an opportunity to express that, if they don’t happen to meet someone they fancy who is also gay/bisexual. Most people probably follow the path of least resistance…? A case of innate potential versus opportunity. Like a child raised in a mud hut in the jungle who would have been a genius pianist, a maestro, if only they’d been sat once at a piano. They may have heard of pianos, may have admired them from afar but never had a chance to play.

      Or, for example, a man who resists being gay because he believes that his religion tells him it’s ‘wrong’. He fights his natural impulses and may even get himself a female partner to try and appear straight. They probably aren’t attracted to her but might have straight sex, or abstain.

      I think that sexuality is a complicated subject and because of religious/cultural pressure (causing fear, guilt and a tendency to conform to traditional stereotypes) the actual figure could be higher than 2%. Perhaps much higher depending on the criteria used.

    • Robert Jones


      3.May.2017 7:26pm

      That probably depends, just a little bit don’t you think?, on where you live.

  12. toffeeblue


    3.May.2017 2:46pm

    Andrew Turner is quite entitled to speak out on this and any other issue. The fact that the poor little snowflakes are up in arms is irrelevant – there are some people who would be offended by anything that anyone else said. In their eyes, free speech is fine as long as it agrees with their opinion. If it doesn’t, then someone with a different viewpoint must be a racist, fascist, homophobe. The bigots are those who dislike someone elses opinion.

    • Suruk the Slayer


      3.May.2017 6:59pm

      Here we see the common Swivel Eyed Loon in its natural habitat, the Internet Forum, where it can heard uttering it’s characteristic call “poor little snowflake, poor little snowflake”.

      A stupid bird that struts around squawking incoherent gibberish and frequently tripping over the bizarre logic in its own arguments.

      Easily falls prey to more accomplished predators as it is easy to tempt into the open with the most obvious of bait.

    • Robert Jones


      3.May.2017 7:25pm

      The snag with that is that Andrew does appear to be, if not a racist and fascist, which I would never accuse him of being, a homophobe. If he dresses in the raiment and people notice – it’s not really anyone else’s fault but his, is it?

  13. Steve Goodman


    3.May.2017 6:37pm

    If, as seems to be suggested, Andrew did nothing to be ashamed of, why did the ‘poor little snowflake’ then decide to melt away?

  14. danielharper


    5.May.2017 11:32pm

    I wholeheartedly support Andrew Turner’s comments: that homosexuality is wrong and is dangerous to society. The furious response and demand for his resignation further substantiate the truth of his statement. Who was the dangerous one? Who has been savaged by the national and social media sites? I’m sick of the LGBT bullying and the argument that people such as Andrew are bigots and fossils and shouldn’t be tolerated in 2017.

    I want to very briefly state what the Bible says: the same Bible that has historically been used in the courts of this land as the visible representation of truth; that witnesses used to be required to hold when they were sworn in. Whether in Old or New Testaments, the Bible’s message is consistent: that any sexual relationship outside of marriage (between a man and a woman) is sin, and that homosexuality is amongst the worst – on a par with bestiality. This is found in Leviticus 18:22-23. It is a capital offence in God’s eyes: ‘If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them (Leviticus 20:13).’ Homosexuality is called Sodomy in the Bible. Asa and Jehoshaphat, two of the best kings of Judah, who ‘did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD’ put away the Sodomites from out of the land (1 Kings 15:12 and 1 Kings 22:46). Sodom is used throughout the Bible is a historical proof of God’s anger against the sin of homosexuality. He rained down fire and brimstone upon their cities. In the New Testament, Paul is plain and undisguised that homosexuality is vile: both in women (Romans 1:26) and men (Romans 1:27). Paul says elsewhere, “be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor adulterous, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind… shall inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:10-11).” The clergy in the Church of England should take note. Peter likewise, describing God’s turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes says that they’re an example unto those that should do likewise (2 Peter 2:6-12).

    Here’s the point. If, to hold such a view as this taught in the Bible is intolerant, bigoted, unacceptable etc, then the Bible itself is intolerant, bigoted and unacceptable. It’s utter hypocrisy and nonsense to tolerate the Bible, but to demand the resignation of a man who has gently asserted some of the teachings of the Bible. If the Bible warns about the dangers of homosexuals to the church and society, why can’t Andrew? Face it: if you hate what Andrew has said, you hate what the Bible has said. And if you hate what the Bible has said, you hate what the God of the Bible has said. If you’ve called for Mr Turner to be thrown out of his post, you’ve implicitly called for the Bible to be thrown out with him. Now that really is dangerous to society.

    • Suruk the Slayer


      6.May.2017 8:30am

      Just going to exercise my right to freedom of speech to state that you are a danger to society, along with all who think like you, hiding behind the dogma of religious doctrine to legitimise your foul mind.

      The thing to note here is that religion is a choice. You *chose* your beliefs.

      People do not *choose* to become gay, no more than people choose to be born men, women, black, white, disabled.

      You have no more right to state that gay people are a danger to society than you do to state that women are a danger to society.

      But I guess, being a good bible-quoting Christian that your views on women are equally revolting:

      ***”
      Genesis 3:16
      Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
      Isaiah 3:12
      As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them.
      1 Corinthians 11:3
      But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
      1 Corinthians 14:34-36
      Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
      Ephesians 5:22-24
      Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
      Colossians 3:18
      Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
      1 Timothy 2:11-15
      Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.
      Titus 2:4-5
      Teach the young women to be … obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
      1 Peter 3:1
      Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands.

      “***

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