Another wind turbine planning app refused (Updated)

Big surprise as planning officers change their recommendation to a refusal just before the meeting. No surprise as councillors vote seven to two to refuse the application.

Last night, the Isle of Wight council’s planning committee voted seven to two to refuse (detail of who voted what below) a planning application to place a wind turbine at Betty Haunt Lane, Newport.

This follows in the pattern of total refusal of wind farm applications by the current council administration to date.

In a surprise move, the council’s planning officers switched their recommendation just before the last night’s meeting from supporting it with ‘conditional permission‘, changing it to a refusal. The CP tweeted that Head of Planning, Bill Murphy said, “Officers recommend refusal for the sole reason of adverse noise impact.”

ThWART opposed
The Island’s anti-turbine campaigners, ThWART, campaigned hard against it, as they have against all recent turbine planning applications. 350 letters were received by the council about the application, with nearly all of them opposing it.

Islanders’ react on Facebook
As the planning committee was in session, we asked On The Wight readers on Social Media, “Anyone taking bets on the outcome of tonight’s planning meeting about wind turbine at Betty Haunt Lane?”

Islanders’ thoughts on Betty Haunt Lane wind turbine app

On the evening of the planning committee making their decision on the application to erect a wind turbine at Betty Haunt Lane, we asked "Anyone taking bets on the outcome of tonight’s planning meeting about wind turbine at Betty Haunt Lane?"

Storified by On The Wight· Tue, Jan 08 2013 00:01:37

already dead and buriedKevin Barclay-Jay
It’s always No.Vix Lowthion
THWART are too well organisedKevin Barclay-Jay
peeps against it are just stupid,Terry Lem
Yes do it put them in regardless!Nicola J Henry-Mildenhall
It’ll always be a no, remember most of the councillors are dinosaurs and even the sight of any modern structure (not made larger than 2 stories high and with 4 windows) scares them.John Williams
how can we say we live on an eco land when there’s hardly anything eco about it ! Derrick McElhinney
What’s the point of going. The narrow people of the island will never let it happen. I belive that it is best for everyone to let the planning be forced through before this island stutters to a complete halt.Dan Snow
I hope it goes through, but as Kevin Barclay-Jay says THWART are too well organised. I see no-one from Eco Island has done anything publically to support this. I thought as a Community Interest Community, meant to represent the community, it should work with the Islanders who support this, and help get it through.Hermit Rock
I really think to the point more people should be going and asking the question "why not" this ecoisland needs more people to stand up to the co and give more e! If ya’ll get what I mean.Nicola J Henry-Mildenhall
We need wind turbines. How can an Island with a wind turbine industry generate such a narrow minded group that protests too much?!Andrew Cooke
all in favour of wind turbines in the right place with maximum efficiency.Becky Haydock
I would love to see loads of windturbines all over the isle Of Wight and a massive wind, tidal and wave farm out at sea powering the Island. Now pelt me with tomatoes for being so inconsiderate and insulting. ;-) xTim Charlton
The place will be full of Nimbys Darren Preston-Ward
Offshore needs wind turbines, not the Isle of Wight. The Isle of Wight is a tourist destination and an area of historic natural beauty. There is plenty of evidence showing wind turbines depress a tourism-based economy (that would be the Isle of Wight). They will also have a considerable SUBJECTIVE impact on our landscape. Some people will like it (the vocal minority) and some people will not like it.Do we need job losses? Gurit and the other turbine blade manufacturers have already given us plenty of those after a brief period of bucket and brush labour. Now they seem to ship so many people in on the Red Jet that they need to run a bus to Cowes to staff their R&D plant. Why aren’t they offering packages to these people to relocate to the Island and bring their (higher than average) incomes to the Island? Or maybe they are? Are they?Maybe if we continue to help the off-shore turbine industry deploy offshore turbines it will be less of an issue about how we MUST have ostentatious on-shore turbines. We don’t need them and last I heard the grid can’t use them due to the large amount of solar that’s already installed and generating in a hard-to-spot kind of way.Maybe we should concentrate on building skills in solar PV on the Island instead of contentious turbines?Thomas Cowley
We NEED turbines !!!Michael ‘Largey’ Large
There is a massive wind farm in the Lake District. It’s had no visible harm to tourism. Infant it had become a boom as visitors love it xAngie Bolton-Cox
Pfft there’s always one huh!Nicola J Henry-Mildenhall
Bloody Masons! They rule the Island, and even have pretend organised debates to make it look like they are on the side of the public. Everything on this island is already pre-planned like it or lump it!Kay Ounsworth
totally agree we should have some turbines….i certainly dont think they are an eyesore, and can only be a good thing for the island.Diane Cohen
Get em built before its too late!Paul Newton
If we build it……they will come!!Darren Donkersley
Future for my kids and grand kids, or burden on some dinosaurs eyes? Hmmm?!?Paul ‘Macleod’ Magee
Hope people get this worked up about fracking as that is gonna be a real threat to our beautiful island, with its history of causing earthquakes and polluting water supplies. Wind turbines and tidal power are the way forward. Lets set an example and stand up for a greener future :)Joe N Laura Mason
Bring on the turbines.. So sick of people moving to the island to retire etc then thinking they can dictate what happens here.. Don’t like it don’t move here.. Simples….Stacy Jardine
love it or leave it I say !!Paul Spirit Chaser Morgan
im an islander and whats wrong wind turbines they wont put them up to many narrow minded people around.i would have one in my back garden if it saved me money.Janique Snudden-perkins
I failed my 4th driving test because of Betty Haunt Lane. More chance of me passing that than a positive outcome on the decision of future wind turbines on the Isle.Elaine Pitt
turbines please :) , lets face it we will see a "no" but ^^ i count more for than the one against . i would sooner have a turbine next door than a nimby .Stephen Smith
i think they should put them in anyway cause…A) the people who wouldn’t come because of them are the stuck up stuck in the mud nimby’s that nobody really likes anyway.and B ) the reduction in tourism would be balanced out because we’d all have much cheaper electricity :)its WIN WIN :)Bruce Steers
What Joe said!!Dave Rudman
Denyed.. Wouldn’t surprise me.Kayleigh Richter
Oh FFS! *excuse my language*Kayleigh Richter
hey at least there were two this time , shame on them tho , pitifull example of leadership and or representation .Stephen Smith
i’m getting messages about the island being a world leader ( blade dynamics story ) yet i feel so ashamed of my council .Stephen Smith
OK, pardon my ignorance in such matters & how these processes work. How do we actually go about getting a vote "for" turbines? Was the voting just within the council itself? At school I couldn’t see much point in learning politics but now……Dave Rudman
Why do you people want turbines on-shore?Off-shore they can be bigger and have a more consistent wind to drive them.Why apart from ‘we need them!’ which is unreasoned and emotional, do people think we actually need to have turbines on-shore on the Isle of Wight, instead of off-shore, with other less intrusive generation methods installed on-shore and near to the shore?Thomas Cowley
most of the applications for the turbines to be sited on the island have been for research purposes , however why would you not want them onshore as well as offshore , onshore requires less foundation , it is easier to service , it requires less cabling , it is not an eyesore they are quite beautiful . why have city’s onshore , why have farms onshore , why have anything at all onshore ? if you followed thwarts logic 150 years ago then we would have no telephone or power network . please corect me if i am wrong people , i’m not an expert just using my brain to think of reasons on the spot and i’m always happy to be told i’m wrong if i am .Stephen Smith
Shame but by no means the end…..Whats that song again…..oh yeah………….. ‘Winds of Change’………..sooner or later the younger generation of this Island will have their say & bring this Island out of the dark ages. Its time to think of the future of this Island for our children & not about the now becasue if we dont act & change stupid attitudes of what looks nice for our Island, if re-newable energy isn’t grasped by us all soon there wont be much beauty left to admire! Selfish & narrow sighted people who are only concerned of what currently impacts thier own lives & not what impact our decisions are making for generations to come. You Nimby’s make me sick!Darren Donkersley
It’s ok having off-shore but again it will be the same people coming up with a silly cliché name that resembles TW*T whining again because on land it as a visual impact in there view over ANOB land that happens to be there back yard. and off shore no doubt it will be interfering with there sailing calendar or destroying views when there out at sea from there yachts or gym palaces or it will be a danger to navigation or some silly technicality like "the light on top of it is the wrong shade of red causing the common moth to gather in there hundreds and fly rampant round it and in turn causing several to be sucked into the cooling vents causing a short out which in-turn causes a fire and the thing to explode and land on there heads". so all in all it’s a no win on land or off shore for the island. yet the council promotes its self as "GREEN" but refuse any green energy alternatives unless it can hide behind a postbox! And where’s Eco-island in all this I thought they would be fighting the corner for alternative energy. But Until we get the dinosaurs out of county hall and vote in people with a broader view and balls to stand up against these people/nimbys and force the plans through this will continue and it’s down to us to vote in the right people. Sorry rant over!Richard Wood
Not surprised but unbelievable that these nimbys got so much power.Irene Craig
can the councillors be named that voted for and against so we can vote them out at the next election.Irene Craig
and conversely i would like to thank the two who voted yes .Stephen Smith

Councillors that voted for and against
Votes against refusal

  • Mr Reginald Barry (Lib Dem)
  • Mr Paul Fuller JP (Ind)

Votes for refusal
The councillors listed below are on the planning committee.

  • Mr George William Cameron (Con)
  • Mrs Vanessa Claire Churchman (Ind)
  • Cllr Richard Hollis (Con)
  • Mrs Julie Marie Jones-Evans (Con)
  • Mrs Susan Jane Scoccia (Con)
  • Mr Arthur Taylor (Con)
  • Mr David G Williams (Con)

Update 11:11 Cllr John Vere Hobart (Con) didn’t vote as he is the local Member. The Chair, Cllr Hollis did.

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Angela Reed

I spend a lot of time in Gran Canaria where they have lots of wind turbines. I do not have a problem with them. We have to make use of natural resources. How we can refer to the Isle of Wight as an Eco Island is laughable.

yjc

ECO-ISLAND DO NOT SUPPORT BIG WIND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

D.s

EXACTLY!!!

Superman

Why do you say that? Where is that stated in their literature. In fact, they are big supporters of nuclear as an option. I know what I would prefer.

ThomasC
Once again folks seem to be missing the point that we have multiple megawatt field-scale solar PV installed across the Island already. We ARE an eco-Island. Solar PV delivers a highly predictable flow of power to the grid (it needs light, not sun). It does not have the highly visible impact of ostentatious turbines that the ‘something must be done!’ brigade want to see. Green power can… Read more »
martin william wareham

Thomas have you been to Cornwall Wind turbines have really hurt the Tourist industry not.More people going on holiday every year to Cornwall plenty of land based Turbines and don’t they look good.Solar onshore and offshore bring it on.Eco-Island my posterior.

ThomasC
Martin, I’ve been to Cornwall, I’ve been to Wales, I’ve been to the Eifel Mountain region in Germany. I’ve seen the turbines in all of these areas. Very few of them are as big as the turbines that keep being proposed for the IOW. There are only 10 turbines in Cornwall that are as big as the one monolith proposed for Betty Haunt Lane. Cornwall is a… Read more »
martin william wareham

Thomas Cowley how rude see you soon.

ThomasC

See me soon? Do I know you? I don’t believe I do – I do know who you are though (there’s a big difference).

Is your slightly threatening ‘see you soon’ comeback just because you don’t have any reasoned response to my points?

Superman

“With all those turbines Cornwall is only generating twice what the IOW solar PV capacity is at.”

Where have you got your figures from ThomasC?

ThomasC
Superman – the figures for Cornwall’s output are from Cornwall Council’s document about the future of wind power in that county. See it here: http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=25182 IOW Figures are based on the field-scale solar PV installations which I’m aware of, that are online already. Generally the expected output is stated on the planning applications. Most field-scale are 5MW each, which is the maximum allowed for a specific tariff… Read more »
No.5
It is irrelevent how much energy is provided with comparison to other energy sources….no one source will provide energy requirements at todays levels, so we need a combined energy project that includes onshore, offshore, tidal, solar, nucleur etc etc to even get near to the required figure. Hopefully in 25 years time we can have sorted the problem out and all these turbines can come down…but rejecting… Read more »
ThomasC
I absolutely refute it’s ‘head in the sand’ – their generation characteristics are well known as are the problems associated with turbines. There’s nothing ground-breaking about installing a huge turbine at Betty Haunt Lane – it’s just poor positioning of a generation unit. Look at the number of assessments that have to be provided in the planning stage – flicker, noise, overall environmental impact – these things… Read more »
peaceful_life
To imply that the island is Ecologicaly minded is quite frankly…..not true. The vast majority of the islands power comes from the national grid which is not ecological. Transportation (including ferries) is fossil fuel consumption and the cycle tracks aren’t directly linked to all towns and villages. The food system isn’t localised and is as hydrocarbon based as any major city. Granted….to be truly globaly ecological we… Read more »
Cynic

Surpise! Surprise! Or is it? Check out the predominant party allegiance of the councillors whose wards could be affected and then look at that of the refuseniks. :-))

Cynic

@Angela Reed re wind turbines on Gran Canaria

Take a look at fotos of Gran Canaria wind farms on the website below and note the comment “and never too far away from people’s homes.” and “landscape of intimacy with residential areas.”

http://www.stacey.peak-media.co.uk/GranCanaria2008/WindFarm/GCWind%20Farm.htm

adrian nicholas
Unsurprisingly, a straight comparison with track record of turning down of wind-turbines and those favoured dirtier environmental schemes such as Stag Lane biomass and the Asphalt plant – might indicate that the property values and scenic views of certain Tory & Thwart areas are rated apparently far higher than the greater number of less market valued properties and residents in the larger urban conurbations of Newport/Cowes –… Read more »
Wight Portal
Cornwall may well have them, but they don’t all love them. http://www.r-a-t-s.org.uk/index.html Complaining about them once they’re up and running is too late. Like Thomas says we’ve got solar running now and no ones batted an eyelid. How much money has been wasted on turned down applications for turbines? When the Government promised to back turbines 100% it didn’t consult Joe Public’s opinion. Because of little to… Read more »
Steve Draper

short sighted as usual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tim Sewell
A Scottish Government report on the impact of wind farms on tourism concluded “Finally this research set out to establish if meeting targets on renewables would significantly impact on the possibility of meeting tourism targets. Our overall conclusion is that the effects are so small that, provided planning and marketing are carried out effectively, there is no reason why the two are incompatible. http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc/214910/0057316.pdf Perhaps a tourism… Read more »
Cynic

@Tim Sewell “… provided planning and marketing are carried out effectively, there is no reason why the two are
incompatible.”

Ah!- there are the weasel-words! :-))

Would closing IWC tourist offices be considered as an efficient method of “carrying out planning and marketing”?

Matthew James Martin
I was present in public gallery and I would just like to clarify, Councillor Barry and Councillor Fuller voted against the proposal of how to refuse the application. They wanted to refuse the application on the grounds of noise alone, as they believe that this position will be more successful to defend, when the applicant goes to appeal. I’m only stating the above, I would have to… Read more »
Stewart Blackmore
Sorry, Matthew, but you are wrong. I too was in the gallery and spoke to Cllr Barry after the meeting, and he always intended to vote FOR the application with the proviso that a condition about the noise be attached to the consent. The Tories then insisted that another reason (the view from the nearest dwelling) be attached which almost guarantees that this decision will be reversed… Read more »
Cynic

@SB “The Inspector also found that noise levels of 35-40 dB during the day were acceptable.”

Latest scientific research questions that figure on the basis of measurement method:distance and the fact that it ignores low-frequenecy infranoise that carries further and can penetrate buildings.

Stewart Blackmore

Cynic, the Inspector found that the noise levels were acceptable as a matter of fact, and he had all the available evidence to hand. If there is new evidence, as you suggest, then the Inspector in this case will of course consider it at the inevitable Appeal.

You do not cite where this ‘new evidence’ comes from, or how reliable it will prove to be.

Cynic

@SB “You do not cite where this ‘new evidence’ comes from, or how reliable it will prove to be.”

(3 Nov 20120
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/9653429/Wind-farm-noise-does-harm-sleep-and-health-say-scientists.html

watchdog
It is a rule over most of the Continent that wind turbines are not approved within 2km of residences (there was one within 300m at Betty Haunt Lane, plus the Blacksmith’s Arms), because of the medical effects of low level rumble (and vibration out of hearing range), which is only now being taken up in medical research papers. There is also the question of why anyone would… Read more »
Stewart Blackmore
You might like to consider, Watchdog, that the taxpayer (you & me) will now have to commit tens of thousands of pounds in defending an appeal by the Applicant which will stand a very good chance of success based, as I write above, on the Inspector’s decision at Cheverton with regard to the acceptability of the noise levels and visual intrusion from nearby properties, especially given that… Read more »
watchdog

Yes, you’re right, Stewart. But neither are Brading Marsh or Parkhurst Forest in the AONB, and we wouldn’t want turbines there any more than we want them in what was once called Carisbrooke Great Park.

Besides, there is an impact from the AONB (Blacksmith’s Arms) and also cutting across the view of the AONB to the nroth (Thorness and Newtown Creek).

Stewart Blackmore

The AONB Unit was quite clear that it had no objections to the application.

greenfiremouse
Actually, let’s get rid of another ThWART-type myth for a start: that apparently on the Continent turbines are not approved within a 2km radius from residences. This is just nonsense. I give you one example from the German coast near Ockholm (Latitude 54.663304; Longitude 8.856504) where the actual distance is about 50m. You can look it up on itouchmap.com. There are plenty more in that area –… Read more »
martin william wareham

Thomas c no threat I’m very interested in the solar farm I have been going to ring Steve to ask if I can have a look and a chat about it.

ThomasC
Martin you don’t need to ask anyone to look at the solar farm – just walk on the footpaths that run alongside it – it’s quite clear when you’re alongside it. You need to pretty much be in the field with it to spot it, with the exception of a couple of the highest points in the West Wight, where you might just catch a glimpse of… Read more »
Island Monkey

Yawn

tryme

Brilliant decision, & brilliant responses from ThomasC & Watchdog.

Matthew James Martin
I concede what you say about Councillor Barry, Stewart,I realised a couple of hours later after posting my comment, as I then recall at the time not being 100% about Councillor Barry’s position,. Therefore I apologise and thank you for picking me up on this before I had a chance to amend my comment. I have been in attendance at Cabinet this evening, so I could not… Read more »
Stewart Blackmore
Thanks, Matthew, I left before the discussion on the Solent initiative, but I have to say that the technology for this is many years away. This has been tested off the West Coast of Scotland for many years and there have been numerous problems with the technology – not least the unpredictability of the sea. If it can be made to work it will be brilliant but… Read more »
Colin
Depends on what water based system you are talking about. There are various in Scotland. The latest attempt is to use tidal flow which is totally predictable. Ideally this is situated in a narrow stretch of water between two land masses. You will find an example of this between Glenelg and Skye by Kylerhea for four underwater turbines. This is a fast flowing reversible tidal flow and… Read more »
watchdog
“Putting the public first, instead of profit” is not a concept familiar to the (mostly foreign) big companies waiting to latch on to our generous feed-in tariffs for a guaranteed 25-year income stream. Remember that feed-in tariffs are not sustainable even at their current reduced levels. Energy companies are obliged to pay for electric units at about double what they can charge the ordinary customer. Where does… Read more »
Matthew James Martin
Your welcome Stewart and agreed, we are looking at 2020/2021 for the Solent Ocean Energy Centre to be up and running, unless Stuart Love can succeed in his continued attempts to motivate the necessary private companies to carry out the tests and construction sooner. Although we will have to wait for it to become a reality, I’m glad it will become part of the Island’s intended renewable… Read more »
Matthew James Martin

Yes Watchdog agreed, the structure of the feed-in tariffs is concerning

We will all need to play a role in this somehow, somewhere, throughout the whole of the country.

Best Wishes

martin william wareham

My solar panels not doing very much today .Nice stiff breeze from the north east should have bought a wind turbine.

Colin

Further to my earlier posting, it’s worth having a look at the Northern Ireland underwater turbine project.

link http://www.marineturbines.com/News/2012/11/28/hat-trick-seagen-tidal-current-turbine

peaceful_life

Hi Mathew, could you provide some EROEI figures (inclusive of embedded from point of extraction and on-going maintenance) for a tdal turbine please?

Given the situation….what is the propsed ‘bridge’ energy source to get us from here…..to there, and also…. what does the council have in mind for portable liquid energy that feeds a supermarket system dependent on JIT?

Many thanks in advance.

bwims
What a load of watermelons there are here, totally falling for the AGW scam. Folks, CO2 has been increasing for 15 years and global temperatures…haven’t. The peak oil theory is out of the window with the discovery of the enormous shale deposits throughout the world – which in itself lowers CO2 if that worries you. Instead of wasting billions and billions on the horrendously ugly, noisy, ecological… Read more »
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