Empty meeting room by Michael Coghlan

Award-winning rail journalist snubbed by Andrew Turner’s advisors

All of the talk of removing Island Line trains from the franchise has attracted the attention of the highly-prestigious The Railway magazine, which has been reporting on all things rail since 1897.

The well-respected rail journalist, industry expert and the publication’s Chief Correspondent, Phil Marsh tells OnTheWight that he’s been working on the story for a number of weeks now.

All major players interviewed
He’s interviewed all concerned: Department for Transport; Office of the Rail Regulator; Rail Safety and Standards Board and Peter Vail, General Manager at Havenstreet.

Each of those has responded to his questions.

Two weeks to get the meeting
Naturally he wanted to interview Isle of Wight MP Andrew Turner. Phil told OnTheWight he’s been trying to arrange the interview for two weeks, being fully flexible, open, offering to meet them, “at a day convenient to them”, at Parliament, on the Isle of Wight, even proposing to travel to the Conservative party conference in Manchester.

Eventually, at the start of this week, a meeting was arranged to take place this morning (Thursday).

The journalist was told the MP wouldn’t be able to make the meeting, instead Nick Finney and Carole Dennett would meet with him.

Wasted journey
After travelling to the Island yesterday afternoon, specifically for the interview, he turned up at Andrew Turner’s constituency office at Riverside this morning. Andrew Turner’s secretary showed him into the office, only to return a little while later, presenting him with a print-out of an email telling him the meeting was cancelled.

Given no option he’s had to travel back to his home on the Mainland.

The journalist told OnTheWight,

“I shall be writing to the MP for an explanation as to why the meeting was cancelled without the courtesy of a phone call.”

OnTheWight wrote to Andrew Turner’s office to get their side of the story, but at the time of publishing, hadn’t heard back.

Subsequently, on Sunday, Nicky Finney wrote an email to Phil Marsh, which copied in OnTheWight, we subsequently published it in full on the Monday.

There’s more detail
Not knowing the local lay of the land, the journalist had earlier in the week asked OnTheWight to join him at the meeting, so as to be able to fill in local detail, which we duly wrote to the MP’s office about.

We didn’t directly hear anything back from them about it, but were called a short time afterwards by the journalist to be told that Carole had been on the phone to him and “appeared very nervous” about OnTheWight attending.

OnTheWight offered to not attend
We wrote the following email to the MP’s office and got a reply in record time – less that 15 minutes – telling us that ‘the concern was the arrangement appeared to favour one Island media outlet over others’.

Hi Carole – I hear from Phil that you appear very nervous about us attending tomorrow’s meeting.

I’ve no wish to get in the way of Phil’s important meeting, so suggest that I step back.

Perhaps we can arrange a meeting another time.

“Crossed wires” claim
Nick Finney also wrote to us some 15 minutes later (4:37PM) saying,

“Thanks Simon . I know Andrew feels game changed with Council statement so meeting with Phil maybe called off. Seems to be crossed wires over Carole being interviewed. That was never intended and Andrew was always in London at the H of C warmest Nicholas”

When OnTheWight questioned Phil on the alleged ‘crossed-wires’, he forwarded the email originally confirming the meeting to us, which read, “I am pleased to confirm your meeting with Nick and Carole at the Riverside Centre”.

Questions posed seven days ago, still unanswered
The journalist, Phil, also tells OnTheWight that, not only has he made himself fully available for this interview, but delivered his questions to Andrew Turner’s office a full seven days ago.

Those questions remain unanswered.

Update 16 Oct 2015 11:47: After a reader’s comment we realised that we’d left the detail out that we volunteered not to attend the meeting. It’s now been added.
Update 20 Oct 2015 14:12: We’ve added a link to the email Nick Finney wrote to Phil Marsh.

Image: Michael Coghlan under a CC BY-SA 2.0 license

Advertisement
Subscribe
Email updates?
106 Comments
oldest
newest most voted
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Hilary Hancick
15, October 2015 9:06 pm

Another first Mr Turner…….

Colin
Reply to  Hilary Hancick
16, October 2015 12:26 pm

Can someone please tell me how much Ms. Dennett and her boyfriend are being paid for their services? How would this affect the income from the flat in London? Who owns the flat in London and how come all the income is allowed to go to Ms. Dennnett when other mere mortals are not allowed by the tax system to have such arrangements? Who might the tenant… Read more »

I.Reader
15, October 2015 9:13 pm

Tigger turns turtle?

Observer
15, October 2015 9:18 pm

Once again Turner shows that he is incapable of fulfilling his role as Member of Parliament and has to rely on Fat Controller Spinney and Lady Macbeth to be his mouthpiece.

Richard
15, October 2015 9:24 pm

We should be used to how these individuals treat others, if it is not in their best interests, or they are not surrounding themselves with yes men ( sciolist! for example!! ) or they feel intimidated by someone who may know a lot more about a subject they are allegedly experts in, they will run to the hills. Another example of this is our MP not attending… Read more »

jon choo
Reply to  Richard
16, October 2015 9:11 am

Agreed Richard, not only were ‘they’ intimidated, they demonstrated outright cowardice and total dereliction of their position.

I am left wondering what the questions are that Mr Marsh presented prior to the interview that they are so terrified of answering.

Vix Lowthion
15, October 2015 9:39 pm

The island is being badly let down. Yet again. I’m sorry that Mr Marsh has been treated so badly after taking the time to come down to highlight our situation on the island.

What is our MP doing? It’s not a joke.

Realist
Reply to  Vix Lowthion
15, October 2015 9:47 pm

@ Vix “what is our MP doing?”

Hiding is what he is doing which is his usual practice because he is incapable of partaking in public debate.
As Vix says Mr Marsh has been treated very badly and it is appalling rudeness for Turner and his acolytes to have behaved in this manner.

What-a-guy
15, October 2015 10:04 pm

I too would cancel an appointment with a journalist if it transpired said journo was planning on bringing uninvited others.

jon choo
Reply to  What-a-guy
15, October 2015 11:10 pm

Moot point dear boy, the questions were known a full seven days in advance. Mind you ‘par for the course’ an arranged interview for which the questions had already been provided cancelled without the ‘common courtesy’ of phoning Mr Marsh to cancel. They are LAUGHING at Mr Marsh, they are laughing at the people that live and work on the Isle of Wight. Maybe Tigger was stroking… Read more »

Mrs Retired Hack
15, October 2015 10:21 pm

Even if Camp Andrew decided that they did not want to be interviewed – whether or not it was because OTW was involved – common courtesy would suggest the journalist should be contacted to be told the meeting was off before he arrived on the Island. Mr Marsh said there “was not even the courtesy of a phone call.” Tsk. It is getting embarrassing.

I.Reader
Reply to  Mrs Retired Hack
15, October 2015 10:58 pm

It’s getting ever more embarrassing.

Sorry, but might it be high time Tigger Turner turned in?

Mark Francis
Reply to  Mrs Retired Hack
16, October 2015 10:03 am

“Camp Andrew”?

I.Reader
Reply to  Mark Francis
16, October 2015 10:22 am

“Tent Tigger”?

phil008
16, October 2015 2:37 am

Yet again Tiger Turner has failed in his role as the island MP, an arranged and agreed meet with Railway expert and he ducks out with no reason. But sadly all the muppets that voted for him will stand by him. This man is deluded, and trying to be kind to him, he is clearly unfit for the job due to ill health. Its time for him… Read more »

B hogg
16, October 2015 3:03 am

This sould be front page of the county press to show what turners all about

ThomasC
Reply to  B hogg
16, October 2015 7:03 am

How would that be in the interest of the Isle of Wight Conservative Press?

Richard
16, October 2015 4:22 am

Sciolist

No comment on this subject? No spin to defend your hero?

jarundel
16, October 2015 10:10 am

How disappointing that our MP and/or his office staff evade a journalist with specialist knowledge of the railways. It seems as if both Mr Marsh and Mr Perry have been as accommodating as possible. Presumably the interview will happen as soon as it can be rearranged? As I don’t read ‘The Railway’, I look forward to Mr Turner’s answers, in conjunction with the information from the other… Read more »

Lee
16, October 2015 10:41 am

How are they getting away with this? It’s already clear that the ‘independent expert’ they have recruited is anything but independent and when they have the chance to put their case to someone who is an expert, with no vested interest other than to gather the facts, they run for the hills. Surely if they are so confident in their plan and its benefits for the Island… Read more »

davimel
16, October 2015 10:43 am

No Rant this time, promise! I am just so incredibly sad and also furious that this man(?) refuses to act For us, preferring to send in ex-girlfriend to answer political questions regarding US. I didn’t vote for either Nick Finney or Carole Dennett and wouldn’t value their opinions even if I was a (god forbid) Tory! SOMEHOW the message MUST get out about this total waste of… Read more »

Observer
16, October 2015 10:45 am

Turner is still pre-occupied with the tiger and clearly does not have time to bother about Islandline. See his latest parliamentary question this week here http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2015-09-15.10349.h&s=speaker%3A11291#g10349.q0

The Sciolist
16, October 2015 10:45 am

It seems to me the same-old OTW comentators are so fixed in their low opinion of the Tories and our recently re elected MP any alternate view is expressed pointlessly.

For what it’s worth, the council’s new wxpert says ours is the most heavily subsidised rail line in the country, no wonder they want to close it.

castlewez
Reply to  The Sciolist
16, October 2015 10:50 am

Sciolist, are you a bit busy at the moment making pea puree for the MP, according to your twitter feed?

Don’t forget the mince.

Tobytram
Reply to  castlewez
16, October 2015 7:43 pm

Don’t be silly one of the dynamic duo is veggie so Lady M will have to have the pea puree ! Unless you are eating one of Lady M’s pet lamb’s leg ? Sure hope a home cooked meal helps her deal with that poor railway journalist soon. He must think the IOW is full of weird people !. Well some weird people only interested in Tigers… Read more »

Vix Lowthion
Reply to  The Sciolist
16, October 2015 10:52 am

Maybe The Railway journalist could speak with Christopher Garnett to get our MP’s line on the future of Island line then? Seeing as Mr Turner constantly avoids discussing it. There are lots of other heavily subsidised public services in this country – MP expenses, nuclear power plants and banks to name a few. All of them better candidates to lose public funding than a railway serving an… Read more »

kevin1746
Reply to  The Sciolist
16, October 2015 4:53 pm

well he is wrong….and not much of an expert

johnboy
16, October 2015 11:06 am

Vix, have you ever stepped foot on this excuse for a train? i doubt it, just political gesturing from you again

Never mind Lee, when this gravy train of yours closes you’ll be transferred to the mainland to work on a proper railway, you’ll have to sell sandwiches for your keep.

Vix Lowthion
Reply to  johnboy
16, October 2015 11:19 am

Yes I have. I have family living in the East Wight who use the train on a daily basis too. It’s not ‘political posturing’ to speak up for a service when the person in power is refusing to.

Commuter
Reply to  johnboy
16, October 2015 12:37 pm

‘Excuse for a train’? The train service is excellent, runs pretty much on time all the time and carries over £1.4m passengers a year. Hardly an ‘excuse for a train’.

Lee
Reply to  johnboy
16, October 2015 2:12 pm

Gravy Train….really? So you consider an Islander earning the national average wage to be riding a gravy train? God only knows what mode of transport you think our MP and his puppet masters are riding! Thanks for the career advice but if i go to work on the mainland it will be because i have chosen to and not because of a transfer. I would be interested… Read more »

Richard
16, October 2015 11:18 am

Sciolust Can I see the evidence of your quote please? Johnboy Many have set foot on our train and are very happy with its service, maybe you should try and step foot on our train yourself and take a quick survey of its passengers in regards to its reliability, punctuality, and its customer services. If neither of you can put your money where your mouth is I… Read more »

Jedster
Reply to  Richard
16, October 2015 12:39 pm

Well said Richard.

The Sciolist
Reply to  Richard
16, October 2015 12:42 pm

Richard, my statement is a direct quote from the council’s new consultant. I’m sure you can easily find it. As usual, some posters here love to shoot the messenger. Better that than tigers what?

davimel
Reply to  The Sciolist
16, October 2015 2:04 pm

I may well have a low opinion of your master, but my comments are solely based upon how his actions affect the Island, and me personally. Treating a professional journalist in this way leaves him open to much valid criticism whilst his silence regarding Island line and his vociferous support of a stranded Tiger bewilder may of us. I am sure that everyone here knows that you… Read more »

The Sciolist
Reply to  Richard
16, October 2015 3:21 pm

Oh dear, can you not read newspapers? The County Press, who pride themselves on accuracy, report Mr Garnett as follows, ‘Island line has the highest subsidy per passenger of all the railways in England’ end quote.

Now, more down arrows for the messenger?

Chris
Reply to  The Sciolist
20, October 2015 8:43 pm

There is no data in the public domain to provide the basis for this assertion. But it’s the old propaganda maxim, ‘the use of a lie so “colossal” that no one would believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.” ‘. NB. North East Trains is the most subsidised regional rail franchise in England – so our expert Chairman should be familiar… Read more »

johnboy
16, October 2015 11:50 am

Richard,

I have travelled numerous journeys and I have paid the fare!! how many other of your customers do?

Not sure why I need to put money in my mouth? or is it i must agree to your one eyed views?

Richard
16, October 2015 12:28 pm

Johnny When I’m on shift I would say 99.9% pay So give me your opinion on how Islandline should be run? Then I have a starting point to discussions the matter further with you, as at the moment all you seem to be doing is slating us, and which I must add only a very very small minority do..Just look at most of the posts on this… Read more »

Richard
16, October 2015 12:34 pm

Sciolist I must say you do a very good job of imitating your hero, give all the spin with no evidence/ truth to back it up with. If you do have either the evidence / truth, maybe you could contact Phil Marsh and answer his questions on our ( and your hero’s ) behalf, you never know if you do a good job there maybe some brownie… Read more »

Richard
16, October 2015 12:46 pm

Sciolist

Please can you give me the link etc to your evidence? Thank you.

johnboy
16, October 2015 12:57 pm

Richard,
Where in the 2 posts have I slated you? I just stated when the loss making islandline closes you’ll be transferred to the mainland with a new flag and whistle…

Richard
16, October 2015 1:14 pm

Johnny ” how many of your other customers do ? ” Above quote ring any bells? I assume you mean ” pay ” ?And as the the third most important role of my job requires myself to protect the revenue of the company ( the first and second most important roles would be safety and timetable ) I’m assuming you are implying I ( and my colleagues… Read more »

Johnboy
Reply to  Richard
16, October 2015 4:56 pm

So you admit with the 99.9% quote that there are passengers who forget to pay when your on shift.

I’m sure they are the ones most vocal about the possible closure!!

Tobytram
16, October 2015 1:16 pm

What is this ‘warmest Nicholas ‘ to all and sundry, it appears in the valediction to Simon Perry and David Pugh in their exciting email exhange. Wonder if you are in favour what your valediction would be ? Interesting the long term connections between this ‘expert’ Mr Garnett and Spinney despite his denials in today’s IWCP saying that ‘he knew Mr Garnett “reasonably well” as a business… Read more »

Tobytram
16, October 2015 1:17 pm

It should say at the end more than 30 years ago

Garry
16, October 2015 2:04 pm

There’s no quilted toilet paper in Sainsbury’s. Could OTW please contact Mr Turner to find out what he’s doing about it. Maybe then OTW can come up with some more politically motivated journalistic diatribe which gives a platform (no pun intended) to our best playground chum, green party candidate and regular AT basher. I’m sure AT has better things to do than respond to OTW knowing full… Read more »

Vix Lowthion
Reply to  Garry
16, October 2015 2:07 pm

Maybe if AT actually answered these questions, particularly from journalists who have no connections with island politics at all, then there would be zero need for articles such as this one.

Garry
Reply to  Vix Lowthion
16, October 2015 2:29 pm

Oh come now Vix. There will always be articles like this where there is a political point to be made. You yourself take every possible opportunity for a bit of Tory bashing using OTW. If not for articles like this what would you do. Maybe you should set the example, be the bigger person and not comment any further on any stories. Alternatively, instead of telling us… Read more »

Vix Lowthion
Reply to  Garry
16, October 2015 2:42 pm

Where have I engaged in ‘tory bashing’? Apologies if my 6 posts on this story have caused upset – a rare day off from work plus studying time means I’ve been easily distracted by OTW today. I can tell you what I would be doing as green MP regarding Island Line. I would be engaging with and listening to my constituents. That is where my accountability lies… Read more »

Garry
Reply to  Vix Lowthion
16, October 2015 3:38 pm

I’m sure you are aware of all the possible options for Islandline. I’ll ask the question again to see if I can get a straight answer. What would you do with Islandline.

Richard
16, October 2015 2:19 pm

Garry
As Vix just said
The ideal opportunity had just presented itself to our MP to do just what you had said, give his his views in a wholly independent magazine.
Why make an appointment and then cancel last minute, is our MPs dairy so disorganized?

Garry
Reply to  Richard
16, October 2015 2:39 pm

Richard.
The point I’m trying to make is this. OTW have a journalistic bias against the tory party otherwise they would present the facts in a completely different way. Lets just have the facts without the bias.

Vix Lowthion
Reply to  Garry
16, October 2015 2:44 pm

Facts are clearly laid out in the article above. If they are not facts then please tell us what the facts are.

Garry
Reply to  Vix Lowthion
16, October 2015 2:53 pm

Richard.
You must be under the impression that I write using a pseudonym. I do not. I merely ask for OTW to give us the facts without the bias (hope that answers Vixs response)

Vix Lowthion
Reply to  Garry
16, October 2015 4:57 pm

As far as I can see there is no ‘bias’ in this article. Its very existence and the continuation of concerning articles about our MP on OTW you appear to think is down to bias. Yet they are facts and events which are happening. I know that the people around our MP would rather OTW didn’t write about these real events which are happening. In which case… Read more »

Garry
Reply to  Garry
16, October 2015 5:43 pm

So lets not avoid the difficult question.
What would you do with Islandline?

Vix Lowthion
Reply to  Garry
16, October 2015 5:54 pm

I’ve stated this already. Through listening to and engaging with constituents it is clear that the overwhelming support is to retain Islandline in the franchise securely for the entirety of the franchise. And that’s what I would be working to secure. AT claims that when there is a particular vote or debate coming up, he has voted a particular way because that is what his postbag indicated.… Read more »

Garry
Reply to  Garry
16, October 2015 6:12 pm

Vix.
Thank you for your succinct answer. I am not a regular follower of this topic on OTW so was unaware of your views on the subject. Hence my asking of the question.

Lee
Reply to  Garry
16, October 2015 2:53 pm

You can present opinions with bias, not facts.

The refusal to accept facts (the alleged public subsidy argument being a prime example) displays an astounding level of bias towards the turner side of the argument.

Or does the bias being displayed by these people simply not allow for an acceptance of the facts?

garry
Reply to  Simon Perry
16, October 2015 3:32 pm

Simon.

How can political bias by a journalist be right?

Lee Dinobv
Reply to  garry
16, October 2015 4:07 pm

Hope this is clears it up for you Garry. I know these literally are not the words he has used, but have a little think about it and I hope it will click for you too. He is saying that he is not biased. He says the proof of that is that when they publish articles that expose something uncomfortable about those from one party or another,… Read more »

Garry
Reply to  garry
16, October 2015 5:07 pm

Lee.
I’ve had a little think about it. Never let it be said that I am not prepared to be enlightened by those who know better. Unfortunately you are not one of those people so I think I’ll stick with my original thought that OTW is politically biased.

Vix Lowthion
Reply to  garry
16, October 2015 5:31 pm

Based on what evidence? Articles like this which shine a light on the way his office works? Or rather doesn’t work.

stephen
Reply to  garry
16, October 2015 6:55 pm

To Garry Perhaps you should direct that question, ‘How can political bias by a journalist be right?’ to some of Fleet Street’s finest starting perhaps with the saintly Paul Dacre editor of the Daily Mail.

Highwayman
Reply to  garry
17, October 2015 1:18 pm

Unfortunately, everybody’s biased except me :-)

Observer
16, October 2015 2:31 pm

Is it not odd that it was not the MP who had been the person to attend the proposed, and subsequently cancelled, meeting but rather the man who cuckolded him and the MP’s ex girl friend? It could only happen on the Isle of Wight!

Richard
16, October 2015 2:45 pm

Garry Thank God for OTW, otherwise we wouldn’t know what the Tories are hoping to keep quiet!! And sneak through!! both of which this particular situation with Islandline has proved they are capable off, including our MPs reluctance to be interviewed. I personelly feel being a bigger person means admitting that our MPs have got it wrong on this occasion, or coming clean with their proposals with… Read more »

Richard
16, October 2015 2:51 pm

Garry

Ok, so why did our MP not take this ideal opportunity to change all our opinions by putting his views across in this excellent, unbiased magazine.

Garry
Reply to  Richard
16, October 2015 3:47 pm

I’ve absolutely no idea.

Tosh
Reply to  Garry
17, October 2015 12:16 pm

@ Garry no idea. I can tell you why your leader AT was not there . He was in the committee room in the commons questioning Kids Club .When he tried to ask a question he made such a mess of it that the chairman had to step .

Tosh
Reply to  Tosh
17, October 2015 12:18 pm

sorry it should be step in

Richard
16, October 2015 3:35 pm

Sciolist

Can I ask what your best way forward is for Islandline?
How do you expect to fund any change?

Or do you just want it to close?

The Sciolist
16, October 2015 4:08 pm

Certainly Richard. My own personal feeling is that it is too expensive to run when cheaper alternative transport is available. A light railway is a terrific idea, but it can’t be funded, it’s pie in the sky. If I were in charge of government finance, I would want to concentrate on making the economy strong and funding new home building. How could I justify subsidising this line… Read more »

Richard
16, October 2015 4:44 pm

Socialist It’s very expensive to run for who? It’s already been proved it is not costing the tax payer you say you represent anything because it’s part of the very profitable SWT franchise. Why is your goverment paying out nearly £1 billion a year to Northern rail in subsidies ? Are you saying that Northern rail can remain open because it contributes to our economy to the… Read more »

Peter Geach
16, October 2015 4:55 pm

Surely a workable plan or concept is only strengthened by criticism, constructive or otherwise.

Richard
16, October 2015 5:36 pm

PG
A workable plan is in place..Just needs someone in power to recognize that fact and insist on the conditions I’ve already mentioned in my previous comment.

Lee
16, October 2015 5:38 pm

Garry

At least you took the time to have a little think about it, this doesn’t seem to have been the case in some of your previous comments.

Garry
Reply to  Lee
16, October 2015 5:51 pm

Lee.
Any other ideas on how I can get my negative count up as I’m still lacking quite a few arrows to catch up with others on this page.
Even voting against myself hasn’t really helped much.

Lee
Reply to  Garry
16, October 2015 6:24 pm

Garry

Don’t give up yet, just continue along the same lines and maybe steal a few quotes from the Sciolist and you’ll get there!

Garry
Reply to  Lee
16, October 2015 6:35 pm

Good plan. Do you think I will get double the quantity for plagiarism. Time is running out.

dave
16, October 2015 6:06 pm

Judging by the number of anti-Turner comments and support thereof, I think the “honourable” Mr Turner should do the honourable thing – and resign his parliamentary seat.

The Sciolist
17, October 2015 6:33 pm

Unfortunately for his OTW critics, if you count them they often number less than ten and never more than a couple of dozen. 40,000 plus voted for him, we could fairly assume they are all content with their choice.

retired Hack
Reply to  The Sciolist
17, October 2015 6:40 pm

Sciolist, why on earth should anyone assume that? To how many of those 40,000 did Andrew Turner say: “If you vote for me I will do my very best to put the kibosh on Government support for Island Line? For that matter, to how many of them did he say anything coherent at all? Abut anything?

Vix Lowthion
Reply to  The Sciolist
17, October 2015 7:05 pm

40,000? Where?

40,000 people is actually closer to those who voted for the other candidates:
9k Green
15k UKIP
9k Labour
5k lib dem
3k Ind
= over 41,000 votes

AT didn’t even get a majority of people who actually voted to vote for him. The perils of First Past the Post.

Tobytram
Reply to  The Sciolist
17, October 2015 8:56 pm

Further to Vix, retired Hack et al , Let’s look at the figures, although over in Totland you may have an alternative interpretation ! From OTW The votes Mr Turner received 28,591 votes. That’s 40.67 % of the votes cast – and 26.28% of the voting population of the Island. The other results: UKIP – 14,888 Green – 9,404 Labour – 8,984 LibDem – 5,235 Indie –… Read more »

Certa Cito
17, October 2015 7:18 pm

Spotted ! Andrew Turner this morning on the cover of my favourite breakfast cereal ! Unlike our MP they’re GRRRRRREAT!

The Sciolist
17, October 2015 7:19 pm

Apologies, I did of course mean over 40% not 40,000. It’s my age. Either way, I’m afraid he won, you lost, best get over it or campaign for a different system. Mind you, the Liberal’s tried that and still lost. The British people like first past the post.

Richardr
17, October 2015 7:42 pm

Sciolist Thats fine, your hero won a democratic election. So.. Who do you think would win a first past the post between your views for Islandline which are either change it or close it And KILF views which are keep it for its entire duration within SWT franchise and insist the goverment include a clause to the winners of the upcoming SWT franchise that investment must be… Read more »

The Sciolist
17, October 2015 7:54 pm

If you think support here among mostly left-wing commentators is reflected among the Island’s electorate, you’d be mistaken. The majority do not support the line because they know it costs far too much to operate. It’s not me you need to convince, it’s the treasury, and I wish you luck with that. Democracy was already served, the Tories won control at Westminster. When Jeremy’s Labour win in… Read more »

Vix Lowthion
Reply to  The Sciolist
17, October 2015 8:18 pm

I must have missed the referendum on closing island line.

Or did AT fight his election on a platform “vote for me and I will close the last remaining railway franchise on the Isle of Wight”?

No? Then how do you know what voters think?

Tobytram
Reply to  Vix Lowthion
17, October 2015 9:17 pm

Vix, Look at at Tigger’s letter to Clare Perry on 26th March 2015 BEFORE the election in May 2015. A foregone conclusion ? With Spinney’s connections to Mr Garnett do we smell a done deal ? Let’s hope that given the calibre and reputation of Mr Garnett he will bring his open mind and IMPARTIAL view to this investigation/review ? . He has a sterling reputation and… Read more »

Richardr
17, October 2015 8:14 pm

Sciolist

It’s too expensive for who to run?

As for the rest of your comment, it was just the usual spin.

Richardr
17, October 2015 8:24 pm

Sciolist Let me help you with my question and narrow it down to two possible answers. 1) Is it the tax payers Or 2) every single fare paying passenger that uses the vast and very profitable network of trains that SWT run, a prime example of how your giovernment promoted how a franchise should be run, with profitable sections of line subsidising the less profitable. I hope… Read more »

Richard
18, October 2015 11:26 am

Sciolst Just thought I’d check and see if you answered my question yet? Or can I take a quote from your previous comment on here ” it’s not me you have to convince but the treasury ” that you are in agreement with the best way forward to keep the very well used, punctual, reliable, affordable to our passengers and vital link. Is to keep it on… Read more »

Tobytram
18, October 2015 4:24 pm

As we all hope for and expect Mr Garnett’s rhadamanthine impartial judgement in this ‘inquiry’ Perhaps then any and all potential bidders for the SWT franchise including Island line will see it is essential to Islanders and the tourists and other visitors to the IOW and connection to the mainland. With the investment Island Line should have had, and should now get , perhaps we can hope… Read more »

The Sciolist
18, October 2015 7:04 pm

My view is representative of the silent majority who have no wish to see so much public money spent on a short section of railway.

retired Hack
Reply to  The Sciolist
18, October 2015 8:08 pm

Telepathy another of your specialist subjects, Sciolist?

I.Reader
Reply to  The Sciolist
19, October 2015 8:32 am

Our view is that shamefully Tigger, Spinny, and Lady M. all seem to have joined the silent section of society on this subject.

Tobytram
18, October 2015 7:19 pm

Sciolist, shame you don’t put your ‘financial expertise’ and concerns about ‘ public money ‘ to your other great interest, closing down secondary schools to promote the only one you believe should be in Carisbrooke. There it is again, what is it about ? home of Tigger’s Lady M and train set ? No trains in Totland, and you don’t use public transport on the IOW or… Read more »

phil008
18, October 2015 8:26 pm

oh dear, according to some people islandline cost too much money, when in fact the cost for upgrades would be less than any other branch line. As a country we are happy to lose 60 million a year on cable theft, pay millions for illegals to be in this country, and only today the paper reports that money is sent abroad for child benefit to multiple nations,… Read more »

Richard
18, October 2015 9:50 pm

Sciolist

The silent majority..really is that the best you got?

Public money..it’s already been proved by your conservative colleague Mr Pugh that it’s not Public tax payers money.

reCaptcha Error: grecaptcha is not defined