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‘Con-UKIP budget to ‘blow’ ASDA Windfall’ say opposition councillors

Julia Baker Smith shares this latest news from the Island Independent group of councillors, with comment from Labour Cllr Geoff Lumley. Ed


Just four weeks after the Conservative-UKIP takeover of County Hall they have agreed to “blow” the fabled “Asda” windfall of £17 million.

The money, which the Full Council had democratically agreed last October under the Independent administration to keep intact for a rainy day, has now been included in the capital programme, with no agreement from the full council as to how it would be spent.

A cross party working group, which was chaired by Labour’s Geoff Lumley, but included members from all political groups, undertook a significant piece of work last year to look at how the windfall money could be best used to support the future needs of the Island.

Baker-Smith: ASDA money to be “frittered away”
Cllr Julia Baker-Smith, Leader of the Island Independents said:

“The full Council met last October to agree the Medium Term Financial Strategy. This is the financial plan for the next five years.

“We all agreed that the Asda money should be left intact for a rainy day, however now it is raining, it’s raining huge cuts to adult social care, children’s services and other valued services used by Islanders proposed by the Con-UKIP so called Care-Takers.

“A small amount of the Asda money could buy us some time this year to keep services running while the Council gets back on its feet following years of central government austerity, yet now we are told that money is to be frittered away on frivolous things like refurbishing county hall and gym equipment!”

Lumley: “An insult to hard working Islanders”
Labour’s Geoff Lumley added:

“I led a working party to look at the responsible use of this money and made a clear recommendation last year.

“To now find out that the Con-UKIP temporary administration have come in and unilaterally decided to spend our windfall, money that could protect Islanders from the effects of the Tory Government cuts, once again shows the complete lack of regard the Tory’s have for the democratic process on this Island.

“This is quite frankly an insult to hard working Islanders who are having their Council Tax put up while paying for running machines and new desks.”

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grumpy androoo
11, September 2015 12:47 am

Was it Laurel and Hardy or was it the rail users of the Isle of Wight who said “That’s another Finney mess you got us into”?

Mambo
11, September 2015 1:20 am

Exactly the opposite of what it needs.

neilpalmer400
11, September 2015 4:51 am

So DfT has been listening to no one but Turner and his ventriloquist dummy (or is that the other way around?).

Richard
11, September 2015 6:56 am

She says give local people a say in how it’s run, that is not Finney and Co, so we have to make sure she listens to what the majority of us think, keep Islandline in the franchise for its entire duration. She also says reduce the costs, does this mean to hopefully make a profit or run at a less of a loss, there is obviously a… Read more »

shanklin
11, September 2015 7:33 am

Well that sadly is the start of the end of that, Our MP has gone off on a frolic, with no portfolio from the people that matter, his constituents. No consultation no interaction with the people who use the line, nothing.

Whats your next trick Mr Turner? Turn the whole Island into a separate Country or tax haven? Come on surprise us!

Tobytram
11, September 2015 7:45 am

Amazing that the Rail Minister echos what Finney ( ‘passioante about better connectivity for the Island’) has been proposing, the same wording, and of course the income generating (for some) much lauded ‘taskforce’. Wonder if we will see the minutes (redacted or not) of these ‘meetings’ and more importantly who was in attendance . The three Councillors who met with Arriva recently have one thing in common,… Read more »

Richard
11, September 2015 7:47 am

i don’t think it’s the end, I just feel nothing is going to change, what the transport secretary has said is whoever wins the franchise should be looking for someone within the community to help run it, and hopefully share the investment needed, and who is going to do that? No one will invest souly on Islandline unless they can make money, and the line will never… Read more »

Thomas the Tank
11, September 2015 8:04 am

So, how spooky, Finney and Turner have been right all along. The Department haven’t done this because of them, they obviously told the MP first, of course. All the hysteria and personal attacks from OTW posters have been a classic case of shoot the messenger. Anyone with any desire at all to keep the line running, had better do something a little more positive fro now on.… Read more »

Richard
11, September 2015 8:30 am

Thomas Very spooky indeed, makes you think they went up to the DfT with these ” ideas ” ( which as of yet no one knows what they are ) to convince them about the validity of them, don’t shoot the messenger? Don’t be silly, the DfT had no intention of removing the Islandline from the franchise if it hadn’t been for Mr Finney talking rubbish to… Read more »

kevin1746
11, September 2015 8:31 am

so the Island Line is IN the franchise for the next period……..and during that period they will look at it forming a new business. So it MIGHT be out of the franchise after that, but will be part finanaced and supported by the franchise winner after that. So its in the Franchise and guaranteed for the next period…. Surely this is exactly what every francise holder does… Read more »

Richard
11, September 2015 8:45 am

Kevin

My view as well…

geegeewhite
11, September 2015 9:04 am

Oh dear you are a busy bee Miss D. Surely you are Mrs Topham Hatt and not Thomas ?

Colin
11, September 2015 9:35 am

Stitched up by the government. The Island Line is doomed.

The Missing Person acts for the government not the Islanders.

stephen
11, September 2015 10:04 am

Surely The Minister’s consultation process is already in place. This is from a link on Island Line’s web page “Welcome to the Isle of Wight Community Rail Partnership website! The Isle of Wight Community Rail Partnership (CRP) was launched in 2005 with formal designation granted from the Department for Transport (DfT) in March 2006. The partnership’s original stakeholders were Island Line, the Isle of Wight Council, Wightlink… Read more »

bazaldog
11, September 2015 10:05 am

I have lived on the Island for most of my life, and have used the Islandline maybe about 8 times other than for the leg saving trip up the pier. If what the DfT says is true, ie there is a £3m shortfall on its operating costs, then there is clearly a case for looking at where things are going wrong. Do Islandline staff recieve the same… Read more »

GJ
Reply to  bazaldog
11, September 2015 10:17 am

Well said, bazaldog, logic rather than emotion. Surely the government/ we taxpayers will not subsidise 75% of the costs of the service for long. Why should we?

Colin
Reply to  GJ
11, September 2015 11:13 am

Hang on a minute. The island line is just one of many that does nor run at a profit. If every line that did not turn in a profit was closed then there would be precious little left of the network. The feeder lines make some of the mainlines profitable. And then, of course, there are the accounting practices which can be used to turn profit into… Read more »

bazaldog
Reply to  Colin
11, September 2015 11:56 am

But how can Islandline be classed as a feeder line to the mainland network? The obstacle to that being a truth is the prohibitive cost of the ferry. I would wager that if a train were left in Ryde St Johns to simply offer a shuttle service up and down the pier, whilst a second train served the rest of the line, you would find that the… Read more »

shanklin
Reply to  bazaldog
12, September 2015 8:53 am

Clearly you do not or have not traveled with the many commuters who use the line from Shanklin, Lake, Sandown and Brading on a daily basis spending 1000’s of £s feeding into the mainland network? My spend last year was circa £7000 all taken by Island Line and fed into the SWT network and beyond.

The Ancient Matelot
Reply to  bazaldog
11, September 2015 12:06 pm

You make some valid points. However, if services were only paid for by only those who use them, there would be no “public services”; I rarely use the local swimming pool, have no children at school, rarely use any of the public transport services and, (thankfully) at present enjoy good health, but have to pay for or subsidise all these services out of taxes – and why… Read more »

bazaldog
Reply to  The Ancient Matelot
11, September 2015 12:24 pm

Very good point, and well made. I, like you, do not use many of the public services but I do vicariously benefit from the education budget as today’s children are tomorrow’s service providers, swimming pools and municipal sports facilities help reduce the tax payers burden by helping to keep people healthy and promote a healthy lifestyle etc etc etc…one could continue. The issue here, is what benefit… Read more »

The Sciolist
11, September 2015 11:14 am

Having digested the arguments, I can see no justification whatsoever for spending an annual £3 million of taxpayers money on this line, nor any other for that matter. If these small railways cost so much and can charge so little, (less than £6 per day for unlimited journey’s) then abolish them. As for the cost of the actual line, track, signalling etc, these are staggering sums that… Read more »

Caconym
Reply to  The Sciolist
11, September 2015 1:55 pm

It is, indeed, odd that the cost for all-day travel on the railway is the same as that for parking a car in an IWC car park for the same amount of time.

Either the railway is undercharging, or the car park is overcharging as the cost of maintaining and running a railway must far exceed that of maintaining a patch of tarmac.

The Sciolist
11, September 2015 11:30 am

£60,000 a week, that’s the loss (or cost if you prefer) of the train operation. This figure is AFTER the income has been subtracted and does not include the up to £40 million they claim needs spending on the track and infrastructure.

Come on, who really thinks spending so much is justifiable?

Richard
11, September 2015 3:07 pm

So how do you justify the £1 billion loss on Northen line..Close it?
We should not be treated any different from other TOC branch also making losses which are remaining in there respective franchises

bazaldog
Reply to  Richard
11, September 2015 5:39 pm

The reason is because, as many of the mainline/land routes do, this line links areas of trade-ours does not. What we need to concentrate on is developing business hubs that people need to get travelling to/from. All we have at the moment is a hugely expensive line joining Lake (a hub of take aways, and a dead town), Sandown (a hub of peeling paintwork, take aways and… Read more »

splinter
Reply to  bazaldog
11, September 2015 6:08 pm

A third of the Island population reside in these ‘dead towns’.

bazaldog
Reply to  splinter
11, September 2015 6:39 pm

Exactly, this is why economic development is important to this line. Surely it would not be too difficult to get the buildings painted as a very basic provision? The termini are simply not pleasant places to go at present.

splinter
Reply to  bazaldog
11, September 2015 8:23 pm

Paint, paint, paint….. Do you work at B & Q!

If you find the stations unsightly, don’t use them… Go and stand at a metal post stuck in the ground by Southern Vectis and pay a fortune for the pleasure.

castlewez
11, September 2015 3:38 pm

I see Mr Finney has asked on Twitter why DfT’s proposals should be considered a shocker, to quote the headline of this story.

Finney goes on to describe them as “entirely predictable”.

I think he rather gives his game away here. The proposals are entirely predictable if you have been pushing this agenda to DfT for months on end, eh Nick?

bazaldog
Reply to  castlewez
11, September 2015 5:51 pm

So, because Mr Finney, a man that I daresay you have never met, have done a quick google search on to form an opinion and whose experience and knowledge you have little idea of, has spoken, you must immediately cast doubt on? How utterly pretentious of you to dare add to this debate!? This is a serious issue, and personality must not form a part of it.… Read more »

castlewez
Reply to  bazaldog
11, September 2015 7:48 pm

Bazaldog, so have you met Mr Finney, perhaps in East Cowes? We know you are a friend of his better half. I am not reaching an opinion on Mr Finney. I have read his Twitter feed, as well as his various inane pronouncements over recent weeks. His lack of competence is evidence. You say that personality must not form a part of it. It should not, but… Read more »

bazaldog
11, September 2015 8:14 pm

Yes, I have met him-and he is not an incoherent fool. What have you to say on the merits/demerits on the franchise? Anonymous posts trying to rattle me are a criminal offense, and I have no problem with taking the issue to the Police if need be. This sort of response could become harrassment and I have no issue taking you and the publisher to court.

splinter
Reply to  bazaldog
11, September 2015 9:26 pm

If Finney isn’t an incoherent fool, what type of fool is he?

Caconym
Reply to  bazaldog
12, September 2015 8:02 am

I actually agree with your sentiments regarding Islandline, but:

“I have no problem with taking the issue to the Police if need be. This sort of response could become harrassment and I have no issue taking you and the publisher to court.”

Seriously?

I think you need to man-up a bit.

bazaldog
11, September 2015 8:19 pm

I have tried to report your comment, alas the system has failed

Tobytram
11, September 2015 9:06 pm

Bazaldog is Miss Dennett or Mr Finney writing your script ? I doubt if it is Mr Turner. It would appear that you are putting forward their viewpoint. Is it at the Lifeboat that these scripts are thrashed out ? Scene of Mr Turner’s lamentable appearance on Radio Solent earlier this year, perhaps the ‘incoherent’ and ‘fool’ are easily caught from others ? You like to dish… Read more »

Observer
11, September 2015 9:19 pm

Perhaps Bazaldog should rename himself as Finney’s poodle.

Tobytram
11, September 2015 9:38 pm

Oh I think chihuahua or even teacup yorkie !

Tobytram
11, September 2015 9:39 pm

Given that Bazaldog has previously outed himself, Rottweiler or bulldog, British of course !

Observer
Reply to  Tobytram
11, September 2015 9:43 pm

Was he not Dennett’s lap dog?

Tobytram
11, September 2015 9:50 pm

It would appear that he still is and now her mouthpiece !

Sumeyah Sallam
12, September 2015 10:54 am

I wish to get clarification.. My understanding is that in the rest of the UK, the line, Stations, bridges and land around the tracks are owned and managed by Network Rail. The franchise is for running the train and carriages on said tracks and the amount that is paid to network rail is done on the number of trips and numbers of carriages running on the tracks.… Read more »

shanklin
12, September 2015 6:02 pm

Spot on well said. Answers Mr Turner? On a postcard please…..