The Story Of A Mysterious Disappearing CP Article

If you’re not interested in the process for publishing news on the Isle of Wight, you might want to skip past this article.

Requested URL: /news/news/views-on-boundary-shakeup-revealed-43300.aspx missingYou’ll be aware of the difficulty VB had trying to make head nor tail of the public responses to proposed constituency changes yesterday. We found them impenetrable, publishing an article saying so.

Earlier yesterday, the County Press ran quite a different story. Broadly speaking they pointed out that the public responses had been released, suggesting you go to the Boundary Commission Website to read them over.

VB commentor ABC posted their views on the CP coverage this morning. By using phrases like ‘this is a major Island issue and deserves better reporting than this’, it’s clear that they were none to impressed.

Nick: ‘Something for the MP?’
A few hours after we’d posted our ‘impenetrable’ story, Nick commented on VB last night, “Is this something that our M.P. should be taking up with the boundary commission ?”

Well today, happily MP Andrew Turner seems to be in agreement, as the CP have this afternoon run a story titled ‘Commission criticised over consultation website‘. (We’ve got an article coming with some details from Andrew).

Deja Vu?
It opens, “The public responses to Boundary Commission proposals to carve up the Isle of Wight into two were published online on a specially created website yesterday (Tuesday), inviting people to comment on the representations”, which are mysteriously (or not) are pretty much the same words that opened their article yesterday.

Would you believe it? Going back to re-read yesterday’s CP article, we found the original article has vanished from their Website.

Re-write
A hasty re-write or desire of a different angle to the story perhaps? That could well explain why Ross Findon has the By-line on today’s article and Martin Neville is listed as the Reporter at the bottom of the article.

The Tweet that they automatically released at the time, still exists, providing an audit trail to the original article.

More accountable these days
Getting rid of articles isn’t just as simple as deleting them off the Website. The world is a more complex – and accountable – place now.

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John R
1, February 2011 8:15 pm

This is the result of someone who thinks they are above everybody else and can go-it alone.

Unfortunately this will probably be recorded as
‘job well done’

Done being the operative word!

Shobba
Reply to  John R
2, February 2011 7:03 pm

David Pugh has become the Stan Laurel of local politics. ‘That’s another fine mess you’ve gotten us into Dave.’

If he wore a hat, someone should pull it down over his faces.

Steephill Jack
Reply to  Shobba
2, February 2011 8:14 pm

Faeces ?

m butcher
1, February 2011 8:52 pm

Yet the islanders will still keep him in.Wait for next elections they have short memories

roger mazillius
Reply to  m butcher
1, February 2011 9:09 pm

Sorry Geoff, you are completely wrong! The clear case we had for a correction to what was so obviously an inexcusable funding error was also recognised by several other unitary councils who had suffered similar unjustified funding reductions. Do you really believe that if for example you and say Reg Barry had attended your joint powers of persuasion would have resulted in £900k extra? I do not… Read more »

Rush
Reply to  roger mazillius
2, February 2011 4:45 am

Pugh been on the phone?

steve s
Reply to  roger mazillius
2, February 2011 6:40 am

Oh Roger, you naughty boy. You have missed out Cllr Lumley’s comma in your ‘quote’.
Check the dictionary definitions of ‘pathetic’ and ‘chicken-feed’ and see if you can come up with a more honest assessment of what Cllr Pugh secured.
The simple answer to your question relating to other authorities seeking to secure almost £900,000 and returning with £4000 would be ‘Yes, pathetic, chicken feed!’

roger mazillius
Reply to  steve s
2, February 2011 6:57 am

Sorry, Steve S. and therefore to Geoff. You are right about the effect of the comma and I could not agree more! It does in fact emphasise the wording used in the last para. of my posting.

I hope today will reveal that the other unitaries were similarly treated. I will keep you posted!”

Geoff Lumley
Reply to  roger mazillius
2, February 2011 7:19 am

I doubt Reg and I could have secured any less !

roger mazillius
Reply to  Geoff Lumley
2, February 2011 7:23 am

Can’t argue with that Geoff!

Martin William Wareham
Reply to  roger mazillius
2, February 2011 8:41 am

Rog don’t you realize the games up send Pugh and benyon on their way.

L PINKERTON
Reply to  roger mazillius
2, February 2011 2:43 pm

Isn’t it about time you changed parties again Roger or started a new one?

hmmm
Reply to  roger mazillius
2, February 2011 3:29 pm

to Geoff, Roger, and David Pugh. YOU ALL WORK FOR US. Stop the political bull and infighting, get your acts together, and present a united front, certainly on something as important as this. Yes there will be disagreements, but Pughs actions in trying to go it alone to secure this money seem to most to be simply a petulant refusal to work with councillors of other parties,… Read more »

docile denny
Reply to  Geoff Lumley
2, February 2011 9:33 am

No you definately have secured more Geoff. Roger admitting that Pugh didn’t do well (in a round about way).

Geoff Lumley
Reply to  docile denny
2, February 2011 4:16 pm

My dear ‘hmmm’. As the one IW Councillor who HAS to work with members of other groups at County Hall to achieve anything, I will happily do what you suggest. But will they ?

roger mazillius
Reply to  docile denny
3, February 2011 12:24 pm

I must say to Docile Denny (yesterday at 9.33am) that I have absolutely no doubt that even if Geoff and Reg had been included, the result would have been the same. This is more than borne out by the other seven unitaries all being given the same heave ho treatment like us! Are their Leaders being subject to these rantings and abuse? I very much doubt it!… Read more »

No.5
Reply to  docile denny
3, February 2011 12:38 pm

Maybe, for sake of clarity, Roger can name these 7 authorities?

Can’t find any record of them from the press office nor from a detailled search of Google News

docile denny
Reply to  docile denny
3, February 2011 12:51 pm

@Roger, I really hit a sore point. How are you voting on libraries and toilets? Let’s see if you really represent the people of this Island or your masters. As for standing for re-election you assume you will be voted in again. Don’t assume anything, I would be suprised if you or any of the cabinet would suceed again. This council will go down as the one… Read more »

hmmm
Reply to  docile denny
3, February 2011 4:56 pm

@ Roger Mazillius. If you think this is ranting and abuse then you sir are seriously deluded. This is what the PEOPLE who voted you into office THINK. They think this Tory controlled council is doing an absolutely crap job. They think David Pugh could not organise a pissup in a brewery. They think that voting for any of you again would be a huge mistake. They… Read more »

no.5
Reply to  roger mazillius
2, February 2011 9:37 am

Mind you I can undersrtand the political temptation offered by such an appalling display of ministerial arrogance

well said Roger.

Eco-Warrior
Reply to  no.5
3, February 2011 3:37 pm

He’ll go on and on, like Mrs Thatcher. Rejoice!

hmmm
1, February 2011 9:46 pm

may i suggest we use the £4000 to buy a one way ticket to Australia? Its our money after all. Or should we send him somewhere colder? Like the south pole.

John
Reply to  hmmm
2, February 2011 9:37 am

I thought they send them to Saudi not Australia……

Mo
Reply to  John
2, February 2011 12:14 pm

I don’t think his intended would last long in Saudia, they’re dry out there arent they? Is their a Valentine’s Ball this year?

Steve & Jane
1, February 2011 9:57 pm

Not all of us have short memories. For example,does anyone else remember hearing about how much higher the council senior’s incomes are compared with the average island wage? Isn’t it about 10 times more? And what did we get for our money? And how many well-paid people have come & gone in recent years? We also remenber the Pugh Tube clip… And wasn’t there a £4000 drinks… Read more »

retired hack
Reply to  Steve & Jane
2, February 2011 3:08 pm

Apparently Roger M told the scrutiny Committee last night that sharing chief execs was only for “smaller mainland authorities”.

Dave didn’t say anything about that on the telly, though, Roger. (By “Dave”, of course I mean big Dave, not political pygmy Dave. Still, you’ve clearly chosen whose mast to nail your colours to…)

sunny side up please
1, February 2011 10:42 pm

Not only does this validate the widely held belief that Pugh puts Pugh before people I see this “poultry” sum as an indication of what Westminster thinks of Pugh. If they wanted him to prosper on the IOW then they would have awarded a handsome sum and let him bask in the glory. They have given him pocket money like the naughty school boy he is. Of… Read more »

John
2, February 2011 12:29 am

Cllr Pugh is not a very popular or public friendly Council Leader by most accounts. He certainly has not replied to my e-mail to him concerning the closing of Public Toilets all over the Island. I must admit the Lib Dems were almost as bad in charge,but this Conservative takes the biscuit for certainly not putting Islanders needs first,including Islander’s bodily functions!

docile denny
Reply to  John
2, February 2011 3:56 pm

You’re not the only one not to receive a “pugh” response. A lady at a public meeting last night said she was waiting for answers to three e-mails to him. The advice was to write to the Chief Exec because it was said he has to reply, think it was said it was the IWC’s protocol. I remember when David used to be quite a nice young… Read more »

no.5
2, February 2011 12:41 am

£4000..thats another party down the Ryde Tandoori then

John
Reply to  no.5
2, February 2011 12:51 am

With that amount spent on curry he will certainly need a public toilet after too!(but it wont be there).

Dave Q
2, February 2011 7:48 am

Yesterday I emailled Cllr Phew and instead of replying himself he got our local councillor to reply for hem. As with everything he does he shows his total arrogance to the electorate. He follows his national leaders dogma- “We are all in it together” What this really means is They are in the money and the rest of us in in s**t, and we can all go… Read more »

TimHo
2, February 2011 8:43 am

It probably cost £4000 to organise the trip to London in admin costs/meetings/expenses etc! What another waste of the tax-payers money.

John
Reply to  TimHo
2, February 2011 9:41 am

very good point!!!

Disillusioned
Reply to  TimHo
4, February 2011 11:19 am

£4000 … and the rest!!

ron nasty
2, February 2011 9:06 am

On the CP website there are extracts from a statement made by David Pugh yesterday. It includes the following: “It appears many other local authorities have also had their justifiable claims for funding adjustments largely ignored. This matter is due to be debated and voted on by MPs on Wednesday, February 9. “We intend to meet MP Andrew Turner before then and will be asking him to… Read more »

wabbit
2, February 2011 9:59 am

Without going into exact figures is this about a 0.4% or 0.5% success rate!

allan marsh
Reply to  wabbit
2, February 2011 10:01 am

.004% i think is nearer

wabbit
Reply to  allan marsh
2, February 2011 10:29 am

Could well be!Its a few years since I went to school.

Geoff Lumley
Reply to  wabbit
2, February 2011 11:01 am

No wabbit, you are quite right. Its 0.4%. Many apologies to Cllr Pugh for miscalculating his success rate. Damn calculators !

Sandra Lewis
2, February 2011 11:13 am

its 0.4 percent i believe, still not good!

Mo
2, February 2011 12:19 pm

Silly Pugh has made a major boo-boo. I see he now wants Turner’s help, despite not thinking he needed it when he went up there to ask Turner’s government. What a hypocrite. He would’ve taken all the glory if he’d got the money, he should take the blame now he’s failed so magnificently.
This young man deos look out of control and incompetent.

wabbit
Reply to  Mo
2, February 2011 12:43 pm

Hi Mo
Is this the same meeting that was reported about Pugh not giving AT any notice of the meeting.

no.5
Reply to  wabbit
2, February 2011 12:47 pm

It is…but I think in-sufficient notice would be more precise

wabbit
Reply to  no.5
2, February 2011 12:59 pm

Yep that is a better way of putting it.The kid has got pluck to ask AT for help after Pugh Tube.

no.5
Reply to  wabbit
2, February 2011 1:01 pm

or is getting desperate

retired hack
2, February 2011 12:44 pm

Half an hour ago Cameron went on national TV (Prime Minster’s Questions)and, in words of one syllable, told councils that before cutting services, they should cut their own costs. Specifically, he said, they should share chief executives. There can no longer be any possible excuse for Pugh and Co pretending that they are following government policy, or Conservative Party policy. We now have two Tory parties, and… Read more »

Old Knobby
Reply to  retired hack
2, February 2011 1:18 pm

Which is all well and good, but what is Cameron going to do to make Tory councils toe the line? It’ll be a bit late once all our libraries, public toilets, etc, etc are gone.

Mosey
Reply to  retired hack
2, February 2011 8:45 pm

I hear that the remaining directors are to get a pay increase to reflect taking on extra responsibility. The lower orders of course face increased workloads (if they manage to retain a job)/pay freeze/pay cuts/redundancies. Yes, we’re all in it together!

Mo
2, February 2011 2:00 pm

Todays Private Eye magazine offers an explanation as to why Dave Burbage gets paid through a company, Dave Burbage Ltd. It says he cannot work for another council, since he is still being paid by his old one. If he worked for ours, for each pound he earned, he would lose one from the old council employer. If this is true, its nice work if you can… Read more »

docile denny
Reply to  Mo
2, February 2011 3:03 pm

Oh dear! If its true it should be investigated, perhaps his next job will be MP. I never did trust a man with a beard. Or one that was called Dave, Edward, George, Barry, Tim and Roger. No wonder we’re in such a financial mess.

retired hack
Reply to  Mo
2, February 2011 3:38 pm

If this is true it reflects as least as badly on the IWC as it does on Burbage. It would mean that the IWC knowingly entered into an arrangement with Burbage intended to frustrate the (very sensible)clause in his severance terms which would have clawed back cash in the event of him landing another local authority job within a specified time frame. So it’s the constituents of… Read more »

docile denny
Reply to  retired hack
2, February 2011 3:57 pm

Audit Commission or Ombudsman.

Steve & Jane
Reply to  docile denny
2, February 2011 5:25 pm

Dear docile denny & retired hack – 1. Yes, it’s true. 2. Are either of you lodging a formal complaint? If so, count us in… though as experienced Private Eye readers we would be pleasantly surprised if anything improved as a result, as this sort of greedy senior council skuluggery has become commonplace. 3. dd -thank you; we were previously unaware of any proven link between trustworthyness… Read more »

Mosey
Reply to  Steve & Jane
2, February 2011 6:18 pm

Alledgedly………..Dave Burbage was Chief Exec at Newham. Joe Duckworth was asst/deputy Chief Exec at Westminster before landing on us as top banana. Then DB retired and turned up here & JD left us & reappeared as Chief Exec of Newham. Quite a merrygoround by the sound of it.

docile denny
Reply to  Steve & Jane
2, February 2011 6:50 pm

I’ve never seen a picture of God but you are right Jesus has a beard. Perhaps I had better rethink my views. I do want to go through those pearly gates when my time comes.

Jonnyhotrod
Reply to  Mo
3, February 2011 1:16 pm

Who else does Burbage work for? I know he worked for Newham, but wasn’t aware that he currently works for another council?

If it’s true that he does work for two councils and that he’s sidestepped regulations to prevent him being paid by both by setting up a Ltd company and working as a contractor, how should we go about smiting him?

Esther Cowsley
2, February 2011 2:06 pm

Absolutely Geoff, Do the Tory councillors not realise that Mr Pugh is sending them to the slaughter with their electorate and effectively finishing their political careers?? This goes to show that Mr Pugh is running a very personal agenda to gain credit with the big boys and doing a naff job!! I hope the Tory councillors stand with their electorate and not their party when it comes… Read more »

gordon bennett
Reply to  Esther Cowsley
2, February 2011 4:24 pm

No chance of that Esther
We will know when the ship is holed Roger will be seen in the lifeboat first.
I assume wearing a red jumper this time as he’s tried every other colour.
The others as true patriots will go down with the ship

roger mazillius
Reply to  gordon bennett
2, February 2011 10:08 pm

To L. Pinkerton and Gordon Bennett. As I have never been a member of any political party other than the Conservative Party, would you kindly provide evidence of your recent comments to the contrary. To inspire you to do your best, A bottle of lovely jubbly to either or both of you if you can prove me wrong. As a quid pro quo, I will expect a… Read more »

Eco-Warrior
Reply to  roger mazillius
2, February 2011 11:06 pm

Splitting hairs eh? If I remember correctly, you were in the Tory party, then out, then in Island first, then independent, then a Tory again, your latest allegiance? Didn’t you also say, at the election before last, that you’d never stand again and then did exactly that? Your credibility was shot long before you became a Pugh apologist.

roger mazillius
Reply to  Eco-Warrior
3, February 2011 12:07 pm

Still waiting for a correct answer. Of course several Conservatives have left to become Independents and joined the Independent Group. Quite possibly, given certain circumstances, they would be more than prepared to re-join a Council Conservative Group!

Davey Jones-Locker
2, February 2011 6:29 pm

The Dave Burbage – Dave Burbage Ltd deal is about as straightforward as an Mp filling in a claim form. Whatever way you look at it, if this claim is true, it’s our money he’s taking. I do hope he can offer some clarification.

Susan Ellis
Reply to  Davey Jones-Locker
3, February 2011 11:50 am

Councillor Mazillius may not be in a position to offer an explanation or clarification on the Beynon-Burbage-Newham Council allegations,as he is a cabinet member. If true then Newham Council have got every right to feel agrieved.

It would appear that some statement should be forthcomming on what was disclosed and to who at the interview

Bill Lucas
Reply to  Susan Ellis
3, February 2011 12:04 pm

Yes if true it sounds more like Egypt,
shall we all meet and protest at the Winter Gardens or local library.

Get Shot Of Him Now Please
2, February 2011 7:17 pm

So having shafted Andrew by brown nosing the London big boy’s, he now goes cap in hand back to him asking for his help? Was his apology to Andrew something like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSHaCzb3yYk

John
Reply to  Get Shot Of Him Now Please
3, February 2011 6:15 pm

I think we should all take a leaf from the Egyptian Peoples Democracy Protests.But then the equivalant of Pugh’s Lynch mob would beat the protesters up,so to speak-Pugh is the Island’s great dictator!I do not usually protest but in this case when the voters wishes are ignored,then maybe we the public should take things into out own hands by Civil mass Protest within the law.

roger mazillius
6, February 2011 10:41 am

Still waiting LP and GB!

Mike Judge
6, February 2011 11:58 am

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/parliament/2010/12/the-latest-league-table-of-tory-backbench-rebellion.html

Have a look at this Roger, get some of your sheep like council colleagues to look at it too. I’m sure you’d all like to comment?

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