Ambulances:

Why a 93 year old with head injuries had to wait over 1 hour and 40 mins for an ambulance

On Thursday last week, a 93 year old woman from Ventnor took a nasty tumble on the traffic island at the bottom of Spring Hill. Despite bleeding from the head, it took one hour and forty minutes for an ambulance to arrive.

Linda Chester, who runs Bizzy Lizzy’s on the corner, got in touch with OnTheWight about the incident, because she’s worried about the impact the Government’s austerity measures are having on the well-being of Islanders.

Ventnor’s community spirit
Within seconds of the woman’s fall, as you’d expect, Ventnorians were quick to help.

Linda tells us,

“The good folk of Ventnor were there to help her, including a qualified First Aider who having assessed the woman’s condition, decided that she needed further medical attention and called 999.

“Meanwhile the woman’s son had been contacted and arrived on the scene, first aid kits had appeared, a chair and blankets had been provided to make her as comfortable as possible whilst she waited for the ambulance.

“A wait that turned out to be a totally unacceptable one hour and forty minutes!”

“Put her in a taxi”
According to Linda’s account of the incident, after the first aider made the initial call to 999,

“He was told that unless the woman was in a life threatening state that he should drive her to hospital (which, as any First Aider knows is not part of their brief for obvious reasons!)

“When he made that point to the call centre they apparently asked if any member of her family were present as they could drive her in. When told that the son was present but did not hold a driving licence they were told to put the woman in a taxi.”

Further 999 calls were made and over the next hour, other folk arrived at the scene including a nurse/carer, the Pharmacist from Lloyds Chemist, Cllr Perks, two Police Officers as well as further relations of the woman.

Responding to higher priority cases
OnTheWight got in touch with the IW Ambulance Service to find out whether the advice given was what they’d expect it to be and why it took so long for the ambulance to arrive.

A spokesperson for the IW Ambulance Service said,

“At the time of the incident the Ambulance Service had nine calls and were actively dealing with seven incidents, all of which were of a higher priority, including severely unwell children, unconscious patients and cardiac symptoms. Additionally, during the timescale of this incident, the Rapid Response Vehicle attended three patients all of which were prioritised as life threatening.

“The response given to the operator and overseen by our highly skilled Paramedics indicated that this particular incident was not life-threatening and the advice given by the call handler was correct based on the information given.”

They went on to say,

“We regret the delay that occurred in the arrival of this ambulance and we sincerely apologise to the patient and the family and we would like to thank the first aiders who dealt with the lady on scene.

“The Service will always send an Ambulance to those needing one, irrespective of age. However, life threatening calls must take priority over those assessed by our highly qualified medics as being of a non-life threatening nature.”

Eroding the value of rural life
For Linda, the incident raised many questions, some of which will have been answered by the NHS response. She finished by saying,

“This whole incident raises various questions like, is it really the policy of the Ambulance Service that they “only respond to life threatening incidents”? and is this part of the current Government’s austerity programme?

“To me this all seems a lack of understanding by ‘the powers that be’ of how rural communities function and what support and services they need to do so. It feels like the value of rural life is being slowly eroded and this incident, along with the closure of our only bank, the threat of loss of our library etc., are all part of that.

“Having said that I totally agree with the woman who had the fall and her friend – I wouldn’t live anywhere else. The local kindness shown was phenomenal!”

Increasing demand on NHS services
The NHS Spokesperson finished by saying,

“On the day of the incident, the Ambulance Service had more vehicles and staff available to respond to incidents, due to the current increase in demand for our services.

“We actively encourage patients, their family and carers to provide feedback about their experiences. Any concerns about this incident, or any other, should be directed to our Patient Advice and Liaison Service (PALS) by phoning 01983 534850.”

The good news is that after treatment at St Mary’s the 93 year old woman is now back home.

Image: gwire under CC BY 2.0

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Robert Jones
26, September 2015 3:15 pm

While I wouldn’t criticize the Ambulance Service in this case – they acted responsibly and properly given the availability of an ambulance and paramedics, and had clearly assessed the situation – it is still extremely worrying that a 93 year old had to wait this length of time for an ambulance: while she may have been well cared for, as she very clearly was (and congratulations to… Read more »

Jenna
26, September 2015 3:16 pm

A very similar thing happened last week in Shanklin the lady was probably in her 80s and had so sit and wait over two hours for an ambulance despite having blood coming from her head. NHS cuts are getting beyond ridiculous.

julie
Reply to  Jenna
26, September 2015 3:29 pm

HEAD INJURY

Could well be life threatning, concussion, compression, bleed on the brain, did they fall due to a stroke?

perspective
26, September 2015 3:29 pm

On the face of it, this seems totally unacceptable. Then… look more closely. The service was dealing with 7 life threatening calls elsewhere, the rapid response car was dealing with 3, and this woman was surrounded by people willing, and some trained to help. The ambulance service also had more vehicles than normal ready to respond. This is a service that has been pushed to the limit,… Read more »

Lucy White
26, September 2015 3:48 pm

Well Done Linda for voicing this! I’ve heard so many awful situations like this recently!! Most of the public services on the island are being stretched to the max. The ambulance service here has been struggling due to a and e and the hospital, a knock on effect. Some response times wholey unacceptable, I certainly believe an islander died after an horrific response time. So sad that… Read more »

Dave
26, September 2015 7:41 pm

The public should get used to listening to good advice and stop expecting the ambulance service to do work they could clearly do themselves. Drive the lady to the Emergency Room was the advice, and nobody took it. The result – a lady waits 1 hour 40 minutes she needn’t have and another ambulance is unnecessarily tied up. Much sympathy for the elderly lady here, and although… Read more »

Ali Hayden
26, September 2015 8:25 pm

I totally agree with all that Dave has said. Having worked in A+E there is so much pressure on the whole hospital. It easy to criticise if you do not know the whole story. It is an everyday occurrence for ambulances to be ‘queued’ outside the department as there are no spaces to actually put new patients in A+E. The hold up of transferring patients to wards… Read more »

tiki
26, September 2015 8:37 pm

The problem on the island is that too many people are using ambulances like a tax service.

tiki
26, September 2015 8:37 pm

‘taxi’

Diogenese's Barrel
Reply to  tiki
27, September 2015 1:50 pm

Your family must have diverse interests “tiki”

Red Funnel and now Taxi companies.

Why else would you make such cras statements?

Perhaps a bus would have been suggested if you had Southern Vectis relatives?

Looking forward to more interesting info…….. LOL!

Georgegm
26, September 2015 8:38 pm

And how do you think St Marys and the ambulance service is going to cope when 3000+ people move in to the recently approved development at Pennyfeathers ?

Mr Einsteins Ghost
Reply to  Georgegm
26, September 2015 9:49 pm

And why are you assuming that none of the eventual residents aren’t already living on the Island in rented accommodation or already own a property here?

Don Smith
Reply to  Georgegm
26, September 2015 10:12 pm

The ambulance service on the IoW requires urgent/fresh organization.

When you have our MP worrying about the re-housing of a tiger at the islands zoo, just what chance have we got of improving things.

davee
26, September 2015 10:16 pm

This is a no win situation. If the lady had been put in a car and died on the way to hospital, either from her own injuries or the driver having an RTC, then sure as eggs is eggs, some one would certainly say that they should have waited for the ambulance. I have a 92 year old elderly neighbour, who has a personal alarm. She falls… Read more »

yjc
26, September 2015 11:44 pm

With the continuing increased population on the island perhaps we could build a large hospital at Ryde (called Ryde County) and cottage hospitals at Shanklin and East Cowes to help the overburdened St Mary’s Hospital. Isn’t hindsight wonderful?

Don Smith
27, September 2015 12:38 am

I would feel it my duty to help anyone who is not well. You do not have to be a paramedic to offer simple first aid.

If I got reprimanded for offering help I could live with that. Much better to have to have offered help than to do nothing.

Most people these days have a basic knowledge of first aid.

The Sciolist
27, September 2015 2:54 am

Totally unacceptable, my sympathy for the poor woman. Hopefully she didn’t suffer a concussion and is well again. I love the NHS, in principal, but parts of it are shockingly badly run and wasteful. The ambulance service needs to be privatised, there is no need for it to be operated as it currently is. I believe a privately run ambulance service would be run far more efficiently… Read more »

perspective
Reply to  The Sciolist
27, September 2015 9:31 am

You really are a sh*t stirrer sciolist. Or maybe just plain stupid. The NHS ambulance service is for saving lives, not transport. That’s what they were doing when this last and the people around her did not follow advice from the trained professional at the other end of the phone. This isn’t about waste or inefficiency or even cuts. This is about the ambulance service doing their… Read more »

The Sciolist
Reply to  perspective
27, September 2015 11:56 am

It’s you who are stupid. And frankly iignorant. The ambulance service is mostly a simple transfer service. SOME ambulances have paramedics most do not. On the mainland they routinely use private ambulance back up to take up the slack.during busy periods. This is not about budget constraints just management.

sam salt
Reply to  The Sciolist
27, September 2015 3:56 pm

Really Sciolist. One of my comments was moderated because I called a comment the s word. Yet you can call a person it and the comment stays.

The Sciolist
Reply to  sam salt
27, September 2015 6:33 pm

I think you’ll find he called me stupid and I responded. Actually, abuse is pointless, I had expressed an opinion and pointed out his error and lack of understanding about the ambulance service provided by the NHS

bones
27, September 2015 10:19 am

Perhaps the solution would have been to have taken this poor lady to one of the Surgeries in Ventnor ? Unless of course it was out of opening hours. I hope she has fully recovered.

OHMY
27, September 2015 11:15 am

About two years ago my son,who lives on his own,had terrible chest pains at about 2am on a Tuesday night,he phoned us so we went and picked him up and took him to A and E where they found that he had had a heart attack,he was told if this happens again then phone 999.Two months ago the same person had the same pains in his chest… Read more »

Richard
27, September 2015 7:08 pm

Sciolist

I hope you have private health care? I’m thinking you can afford it! If you don’t, please don’t ring an ambulance, call a taxi..Totland to Newport shouldn’t cost to much!

Oldie
27, September 2015 11:39 pm

Now we know ambulances can no longer be relied on in an emergency It would be useful if a list of volunteers with cars and their phone numbers who would be willing to drive people living within a certain defined radius to St Mary’s were to be compiled and displayed somewhere central in Ventnor ready for the next time. Although I say Ventnor, this is actually a… Read more »

Linda Chester
Reply to  Oldie
28, September 2015 9:05 am

Thanks Oldie for your words of wisdom. Having just read through all the comments above, I have come to the same conclusion as you – The Ambulance Service is overstretched, as is the A & E. and as you say “no longer what it used to be and is not likely to improve any time soon”. So let’s stop all the blaming and “he/she/they should have done… Read more »

Wighton
28, September 2015 2:48 am

140,000 residents (many of whom are vulnerable elderly) plus “X” tourists, and how few ambulances and emergency staff do we have?? What is average ratio nationally (plus offsetting for the fact that we are rural and have a high elderly population)?

Richard
28, September 2015 8:16 am

Oldie
You say don’t blame the system, so who do we blame?
You say let’s get a list of volunteers together, why is this an acceptable solution?
At what point do the government accept responsibility for their actions?

Wighton
Reply to  Richard
28, September 2015 8:34 am

Government needs to stop austerity measures by getting corporations to pay tax in order to fund public services. As long as corporations hide their money in offshore accounts, the Government is just the poor helping the poor.

Steve Goodman
Reply to  Wighton
28, September 2015 5:22 pm

Is it?

(Government is also helping business with £93 billion a year corporate welfare, and used us to bail out the greedy and dishonest bankers who apparently must be protected from impoverishment.)

Wighton
Reply to  Steve Goodman
28, September 2015 5:32 pm

Yes, Steve, that was the point. The rich aren’t helping the poor (by paying their taxes amongst MANY other things), the poor are only “helping themselves” (paying taxes to public services), AND the poor are also paying money to corporations (bank bailouts, low corporation tax, etc.). Not exactly how economics should work!

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