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Isle of Wight 2014 European Election results and selected South East MEPs (Update 5)

The voting figures for the Isle of Wight in the 2014 European election have been given to OnTheWight (See the Candidate list).

(Jump to elected MEP details)

The result saw a huge swing to UKIP, with Conservatives only mustering two thirds of UKIP’s vote. UKIP gained getting on for half of the Island’s vote, at 40.1%.

The Green party came in third with just under half of the Conservatives, with Labour just pushed into fourth place.

The Lib Dems gained about half of the Labour vote, coming in at fifth.

UKIP: “We are very pleased. It feels very good”
OnTheWight spoke to Rose Lynden-Bell, Chairman at UKIP Isle of Wight, who said, “We are very pleased. It feels very good.”

Back in the last Euro elections, 2009, the Conservative party got 14,122 votes and UKIP 9,563, so it’s close to an exact swap with this year’s results.

Full voting details

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(Idea brought to mind by Steve Collins)

European representative for the South East

Total votes for the South East
(via Eastleigh News)

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Smith
26, May 2014 12:02 am

Hmm : So we have 14.533 racist on he Island.
I am so gratified that most of us on the Island are normal human beings who actually care for our fellow neighbours black white or perma-tanned..

Carla
Reply to  Smith
26, May 2014 12:12 am

I voted for them and I am most definitely not a racist. I just don’t think that the UK should be part of the EU. The three main parties are pro EU so what other choice is there?

middling
Reply to  Carla
26, May 2014 8:11 am

How will this help with getting the UK out of the EU? The European parliament have no such powers. By helping UKIP get more MEPs all you’ve done is decrease the amount of power the UK has in the EU because the UKIP MEPs rarely bother to turn up and do the jobs they’re being paid for. If you want out of the EU you’d have done… Read more »

BRIAN
Reply to  Carla
26, May 2014 9:50 am

The fact is, Carla, the British public was conned concerning entry into Europe. I recall the TV adverts in the 1970’s encouraging a “yes” vote.These consisted of the late Patricia Hayes doing a “gor blimey” cockney accent telling us how it made sense to join a free trade area where there would be no import duties. This is how it was sold – as a free trade… Read more »

tryme
Reply to  BRIAN
26, May 2014 12:02 pm

It’s interesting to add into the historical mix, I think, the passionate feelings that had arisen amongst senior politicians during post-war years, having themselves seen and experienced the devastations wrought within a few years by two World Wars, (including their having fought in WW2). There was a strong feeling that something different had to happen in politics, that formal and cultural bridges between European countries desperately needed… Read more »

tryme
Reply to  tryme
26, May 2014 12:06 pm

Btw, splendid late-night work from OTW.

davimel
Reply to  Carla
26, May 2014 1:33 pm

Well done Carla, not just for following your conscience but for getting off your bum and actually voting, unlike many others on the Island.

Paul Randle-Jolliffe
Reply to  Carla
27, May 2014 10:58 am

Can any one tell me when Parliament was authorised to give away what’s yours or mine?

Billy Builder
Reply to  Paul Randle-Jolliffe
27, May 2014 11:11 am

I think this goes back to Maggie Thatcher when she sold off the family silver without the consent of more than 50% of the population.

Or maybe its because our unwritten constitution allows the Government of the day to make these decisions on our behalf.

Paul Randle-Jolliffe
Reply to  Billy Builder
27, May 2014 11:24 am

No record of it there, in fact we have a written constitution just not all in one document and some of those forbid it.

Happy Daze
Reply to  Smith
26, May 2014 7:13 am

Why didn’t you vote and use your democratic right to express your opinion in the ballot box?

voter
Reply to  Happy Daze
26, May 2014 8:56 am

I did! I expressed my opinion for getting out of the EU by voting UKIP

cnpacker
26, May 2014 12:07 am

shame on you all

Smith
26, May 2014 12:18 am

A cop out response from Carla. A vote for the Tories would give you an In – Out of Europe vote. So are what did you really vote for?

The Sciolist
Reply to  Smith
26, May 2014 10:56 am

Smith – you mean eventually? That is if Cameron or his successor keeps the promise this time.

You can’t lie to the electorate and expect to get away with it indefinitely. Ask Nick Clegg what he thinks now of his broken promises.

Ron
Reply to  Smith
26, May 2014 1:01 pm

How sure are you you will get an IN or OUT vote?

Cynic
Reply to  Ron
26, May 2014 1:17 pm

Cameron will find reasons to renege a referendum once in power as Bliar did before him.

Politicians, estate agents and second-hand car salesmen……(sheesh!)

davimel
Reply to  Smith
26, May 2014 2:03 pm

Let’s get it clear… The Tories will not allow we Plebs to decide on Europe when so many of their investments and future job prospects depend upon it. We may get a vote, but popular opinion has it that the wording will be skewed to make a no vote almost impossible, the best we could hope for would be a ‘maybe’ or, most likely, a promise to… Read more »

stephen
Reply to  Smith
26, May 2014 3:08 pm

But what would we be voting for? Cameron has been strangely quiet on the actuality of his ‘demands’ for reform. With his further drop in EPs and therefore influence what now happens?

mybow
26, May 2014 12:20 am

Nigel’s looking for a seat.

Carla
Reply to  mybow
26, May 2014 12:33 am

If the Tories were willing to hold a referendum on EU membership in the near future then I would have voted for them. It is not racist to want the UK to leave the EU.

beverly
26, May 2014 12:42 am

Personally I do not believe UKIP gain votes due to racism, most of us accept and welcome a variety of cultures and races. What is unacceptable is the influx of immigrants of any background while we have a housing and employment deficit combined with stringent benefit regulations imposed on long term UK citizens. This is, after all, a democracy.. Voters are prone to voting out what they… Read more »

Carla
Reply to  beverly
26, May 2014 12:59 am

My reasons for wanting our country to leave the EU have nothing to do with immigration. I resent being called a racist just because I voted for UKIP. I am mixed-race myself. There will be people of all races living in the UK whether we are part of the EU or not, and I don’t have a problem with that. I strongly believe that it is not… Read more »

nonotmore
26, May 2014 12:44 am

I have never been more horrified. I feel totally disenfranchised by the politics of today.

Mason Watch
26, May 2014 1:31 am

Democracy at work, the people have spoken. If you don’t like the results then seek another place of residence. I didn’t vote but luckily that is also my right.

Diogenes' Barrel
Reply to  Mason Watch
26, May 2014 4:15 am

Non voters are the biggest problem!

Mason Watch
Reply to  Diogenes' Barrel
26, May 2014 9:37 am

A problem? Really? I have a right to vote but also a right not to if the options available are not to my liking. However the inference is a Gadarene response from UKIP voters which ‘we’ should halt by voting for the same old tired, nest feathering Oxbridge elite…..

David
Reply to  Mason Watch
26, May 2014 3:10 pm

And using your method, how exactly is one supposed to distinguish between the lazy, or those who have no other options which they relate to?

The thing with democracy is you HAVE To get involved in order for it to work. No party’s calling to you? Set up your own!

Mark Francis
Reply to  David
27, May 2014 12:34 am

If I wanted to “not vote” I would spoil my ballot paper. In order to verify it the candidates or their agents have to read it. That way they know you did not vote on purpose & why.

Lauryl
Reply to  Mason Watch
26, May 2014 9:28 pm

We also have freedom of speech and those of us who are horrified by the number of votes for UKIP, are entitled to say so. We are also entitled to live here. The right to vote how you wish is one I would defend and respect, but you need to respect and also tolerate my freedom to not support UKIP and for me to say so.

ragafeeling
26, May 2014 7:40 am

The notion that the majority of UKIP members and supporters are racist is the minority view of a small number of extreme left wingers that unfortunately seem to be able to shout very loudly and in some cases inflence what is reported in the media. Its tosh – kippers are normal people. What a stunning result for UKIP – I for one see this result as a… Read more »

ragafeeling
26, May 2014 8:15 am

Just needed to add hat its a good job the liberals on the Island renamed themselves …

bayboy
Reply to  ragafeeling
26, May 2014 8:45 am

Ha Ha, good to see that some residents have realised that there are many failed Lib Dems masquerading as Independents.

Steve Goodman
26, May 2014 8:47 am

Island voters moving the Greens up to third place could also mean that more people are wanting to improve our chances of a reasonable future, and not just voting against the parties who have disappointed us over the decades.

tiki
26, May 2014 9:04 am

I voted UKIP and I am not a racist. Change the tune. The biggest winner was APATHY. Shame on those who didn’t vote, if you don’t vote you don’t have a right to an opinion.

Mason Watch
Reply to  tiki
26, May 2014 9:43 am

Good grief….

Colin
26, May 2014 9:09 am

The European parliament is corrupt. It has yet to have any accounts signed off. Our national deficit could be easily be reduced by an immediate withdrawal from Europe. We don’t need more immigrants. We can’t house the people we have living here. We have millions unemployed both officially and unoficially. We can’t even make our own laws.

That’s why I voted UKIP.

steve s
26, May 2014 9:10 am

Thank you, Simon, for publishing such comprehensive data. Far better than that produced by any other local media.

ragafeeling
26, May 2014 9:10 am

It was an inspired move that renaming but unfortunately it does not fool the sorts of honest people who vote for UKIP for instance. Its the same names that have bleeted on for years about the same rubbish contriubting to the problem rather that dealing with it. Fair play to the greens as well because it shows voters are tired of the same old for which is… Read more »

ragafeeling
26, May 2014 9:11 am

@ Colin – well said

David
26, May 2014 9:28 am

Great to see the Greens coming in 3rd! Let’s try to chase away the ‘right’! I think that the problem with the talk on immigration is that the problem isn’t actually immigration. It is the lack of infrastructure to support a increase in bodies in the UK (including ‘natives’). If more schools, hospitals and homes were built, people wouldn’t feel the effects of immigration as much. UKIP,… Read more »

David
Reply to  David
26, May 2014 9:30 am

I also agree with Tiki. Those who didn’t vote should feel very ashamed!

Mason Watch
Reply to  David
26, May 2014 9:41 am

Why? Because the results are not to your liking? A laughable comment from yet another knee jerking so called ‘democrat’…..

David
Reply to  Mason Watch
26, May 2014 11:16 am

No, actually, troll. Because voting is a right which people seem to forget the importance of. I have told EVERY single person that I don’t care who they vote for, UKIP, BNP, or even Tories, so long as they vote they cannot expect change. To suggest everybody votes would probably do my party of choice a dis-service, but much like the Green’s stance on donations and lobbying,… Read more »

Cynic
Reply to  Mason Watch
26, May 2014 11:35 am

Not quite. It appears that 68% of Islanders (76,371 people) entitled to vote preferred to sit on their backsides, forgetting that citizenship has duties as well as rights, one of those duties is to choose who governs them.

Failure to fulfil their responsibility is a greater risk to democracy than anything else. They should be ashamed.

David
Reply to  Cynic
26, May 2014 3:11 pm

Exactly!

Half Mast Harry
Reply to  Mason Watch
26, May 2014 5:28 pm

Grow up David, so a troll is now someone who disagrees with you? For God’s sake, either make a reasoned argument or say nothing. 68‰ of the electorate chose not to support any party and that remains their right.

David
Reply to  Half Mast Harry
26, May 2014 7:47 pm

No. A troll is somebody who posts unconstructively to get a rise, which you have. 68% of people either don’t support a party, or cant be bothered to vote. Turning up and spoiling a paper, or setting up your own party, separates the two. That is all I’m suggesting. How is a government to understand what a country wants if the electorate don’t express that explicitly through… Read more »

Half Mast Harry
Reply to  Half Mast Harry
26, May 2014 8:29 pm

Errrrrrr….read who is posting please. I am commenting on the exchange above and I object to you firing off insults to anyone who disagrees with you.

Cynic
Reply to  Half Mast Harry
26, May 2014 8:42 pm

@HFM IMHO those who cannot be bothered to vote fully deserve the government they get. The problem is that the rest of us get the same government as a result of their failing their duty as citizens. You are correct- it is a right. However since 1961 suicide is also a right that can be enjoyed by a bus driver/pilot/train driver, however passengers might disagree about his/her… Read more »

Billy Builder
Reply to  David
27, May 2014 8:35 am

I’m not at all surprised by the high UKIP/anti-immigration vote, there are lots of people who read and believe papers like the daily mail. What these people should realise is that without immigrants the economy would suffer. Lets consider just three effects that lack of immigrants would have on the island:- Hotel & Catering – many of the hotels on the island employ immigrant workers on comparatively… Read more »

ragafeeling
Reply to  Billy Builder
27, May 2014 12:55 pm

so make it less comfortable for the locals and they will take those jobs – low paid vacancies are only diffciult to fill because people have choice. People from abroad travelling here to work enjoy less choice thats why they come to better their choices and living standards. It may also inspire said locals to better themselves so they don’t have to take low paid work their… Read more »

Stewart Blackmore
26, May 2014 9:42 am

That argument just does not stand up to the facts, Steve. Compared to the 2009 Euro elections the Green vote this time is down by 40% whilst the Labour vote is up by 30%. The Libdem vote is down by 160% and BNP by 650% (presumably BNP jumped to UKIP). UKIP benefitted from a huge apathy vote with people fed up with politics letting the big two… Read more »

Steve Goodman
Reply to  Stewart Blackmore
26, May 2014 12:16 pm

And I would suggest that alienated electors & anybody concerned about our long term welfare vote as Green as possible, keep increasing the pressure on the power holders to halt & reverse the suicidal unrealistic ‘business as usual’ policies that got us into this mess, and take whatever practical action they can to lessen our dependence on the results of those policies.

Robert Jones
Reply to  Steve Goodman
26, May 2014 12:40 pm

The Green vote increased overall, but the party still has only three MEPs today (from Britain; and apologies if the figure has changed since I last looked) and that’s under Proportional Representation. Under first past the post, there’s less than no chance. I can readily understand why environmentalists have no time for the other parties, but the trouble is Greens ceased to have any influence on them… Read more »

Steve Goodman
Reply to  Robert Jones
26, May 2014 4:16 pm

And i.m.h.o. the catastrophic mistakes that matter most are those threatening our only life support system, and the politicians most aware of those mistakes & the urgent need for improvement are Green. If the politicians & businesses having so much influence on our welfare were not causing so much harm (& taking our money to fund it) we wouldn’t need to worry too much about party politics,… Read more »

Robert Jones
Reply to  Steve Goodman
26, May 2014 5:08 pm

I don’t disagree with you on your analysis of the problems – I do disagree with you on the solutions, or at least on many of them. The catastrophic mistake, and I’m sorry to repeat myself but at my age what else do you expect, was to party-politicize issues that should be commonly agreed across the political spectrum. You need allies, not enemies: joining the party political… Read more »

watchdog
Reply to  Stewart Blackmore
26, May 2014 12:34 pm

Stewart: most politicians (knowingly or deliberately) don’t compare like with like. Voting numbers depend on size of electorate and turnout, so comparing actual votes from different elections is fraught with mathematical danger. Moreover, you can’t have something down by more than 100% without going into negative figures: “down by 100%” means a total wipe-out. So it’s ludicrous to say that the BNP is down by 650%. Here’s… Read more »

watchdog
Reply to  watchdog
26, May 2014 12:44 pm

Sorry, my comment got sent before I finished: UKIP % change relative to 2009: + (0.1905/0.4093) x 100 = + 87.07%. Greens. 2009 Proportion 5380/43709 = 0.1231 2014 Proportion 3854/35508 = 0.1085 Change in the proportion – 0.0146 % change relative to 2009: – (0.0146/0.1231) x 100 = – 11.86% Similarly, the Conservative change is – 18.63%, and the Lib Dem change is – 52.56%. The Labour… Read more »

Robert Jones
Reply to  watchdog
26, May 2014 5:25 pm

It would be helpful if you’d include the Labour vote percentage in that – it would be easier for those of us who are mathematically challenged to understand and would also complete your picture. I agree with you about the use of percentages in these calculations – they become nonsensical when figures are calculated as, eg, 150%: nonetheless, people do use those measures, reinforcing my suspicion that… Read more »

Cynic
Reply to  Robert Jones
26, May 2014 5:46 pm

Certainly not until you find a believable leader with some charisma. You will look in van at the current Shadow Cabinet for candidates..

Cynic
Reply to  Robert Jones
26, May 2014 5:47 pm

…or even “vaIn”!

tryme
Reply to  Robert Jones
26, May 2014 6:02 pm

Try again, cynic, but in the meantime why not indeed check passing vehicles for suitable candidates? White van (wo)man’s time may have come!

Cynic
Reply to  Robert Jones
26, May 2014 6:12 pm

LOL! But appropriate as WVM have much in common with politicians. They both concentrate on their own benefits, ignore everybody else and are frequently a danger to other people!

watchdog
Reply to  Robert Jones
26, May 2014 6:22 pm

Robert: the corresponding calculation for Labour is: 2009 proportion 2607/43709 = 0.0596 2014 proportion 3708/35508 = 0.1044 Change in the proportion: + 0.0448 % change relative to 2009: + (0.0448/0.0596) x 100 = 75.17%. So maybe they can be a bit “optimistic”, though the trouble with dealing with small numbers is trying to assess any significance. For instance, one might as well say that the UKIP breakaway… Read more »

ragafeeling
26, May 2014 10:09 am

Seriously ? The Labour Party again ?? thats the ecomomy down the spout then – if the get a new leader who can actually communicate with the electorate and has a bit of personality then they might just be in with a chance but not here on the Island – thankfully most of the electorate on the Island are not daft enough.

Robert Jones
Reply to  ragafeeling
26, May 2014 12:19 pm

The economy wasn’t down the spout until the bankers’ crisis – which was worldwide – put it there. We live in a capitalist world: it is ludicrous to suppose that any country can be immune from its periodic slumps. I say this as one who despaired of the last Labour government, which wasn’t a Labour government at all in any sense I could recognize; but an objective… Read more »

Paula Hodgkinson
26, May 2014 11:29 am

Rather than racist we consider ourselves free thinkers dissatisfied with what is happening to our country and the erosion of power to govern ourselves and in particular now that all restrictions have been lifted for migrants entering our land. Surely you must realize that labeling those who have genuine concerns regarding health, welfare and education is the old Gordon Brown speek for shut um up or else… Read more »

steve s
Reply to  Paula Hodgkinson
26, May 2014 12:08 pm

Just who is this ‘we’ of whom you speak, Paula?
You may not actually BE a racist, but the rhetoric you employ certainly makes you sound like one.

Trevor
Reply to  Paula Hodgkinson
26, May 2014 12:21 pm

Please don’t include me on your ‘we’ either.

Reading thee comments make me feel very sad. Why does it matter whether your neighbour is black, Asian, Eastern European? We are all humans living on one planet. This country let doesn’t belong to us, we’re all just custodians.

I’m shocked to see there are so many xenophobes living on the Island.

Paula Hodgkinson
Reply to  Paula Hodgkinson
26, May 2014 1:01 pm

Steve, have you read the original comment which began all these replies? If not then I suggest you do. May I point out that “black or perma-tanned neighbours” were the words that were used in that posting and not mine? My reply to her posting was to highlight the fact of a limited experience here on the island regarding mass immigration, for the time being at least,… Read more »

steve s
Reply to  Paula Hodgkinson
26, May 2014 1:18 pm

Paula
I recognise that you picked up ‘black and perma-tanned’ from elsewhere on the thread but I’m presuming that the remainder of your comment is original. ‘Migrants entering our land’, ‘overcrowded communities of immigrants’, ‘walk the streets and not hear a word of English spoken’… Whether you see it or not, THIS is the kind of language which inflames.

Paul Hodgkinson
Reply to  steve s
26, May 2014 1:56 pm

Steve, It may inflame those who refuse to accept the truth, don’t you think that by rebuffing the facts is precisely the reason why the mainstream parties have suffered in these elections. Of course immigration is only one part of the reason for Euroscepticism and the rise in UKIP success, but those who try to knock UKIP use the insulting label as a means to rebuke the… Read more »

steve s
Reply to  Paul Hodgkinson
26, May 2014 2:30 pm

Paul (are you tag-teaming with Paula?) I absolutely agree that the mainstream parties have been given a well-deserved bloody nose, but I urge all moderates to avoid the language that disenfranchises. You may actually find that you have a strong case without it. The question is, does the party you support have policies which will stand up to any kind of scrutiny if the immigration card is… Read more »

tryme
Reply to  Paul Hodgkinson
26, May 2014 2:56 pm

Never ceases to surprise me that some people think that having a few poster names on the go at one time is all that’s needed to disguise it being one person.

ragafeeling
Reply to  steve s
26, May 2014 4:23 pm

inflamtory langauage to the overtly sensative but plainspeaking for everyone else

Ian Young
Reply to  Paula Hodgkinson
26, May 2014 1:50 pm

I have heard comments like this before, in fact more or less word for word, only they were said by an elderly Islander complaining about the huge influx of people to his Island from over the water, send them all back was his cry, we just don’t have the schools, doctors, homes or infrastructure here. And as for as for all those northern accents heard on the… Read more »

Mark Francis
Reply to  Paula Hodgkinson
27, May 2014 12:45 am

Well, Paula, not only my neighbour but also my wife is what you might call “perma-tanned”.
So why don’t you keep your filthy opinions to yourself before I post something that will get removed.
Oh & by the way, I do not think you have the right to express your cretinous opinions until I have the right to express mine about you.

tryme
Reply to  Mark Francis
27, May 2014 5:04 am

Naiively, I was mystified by ‘perma-tanned’, now I know. How chilling to hear these views and to imagine the governance of the UK in their clutches. I gather that if they are ‘ordinary people’ we cannot question the validity of their racism.

tryme
Reply to  tryme
27, May 2014 5:08 am

Their apparent numbers here may come down to one and the same person.

Paula
Reply to  Mark Francis
27, May 2014 9:35 am

Well Mark, It would be advisable to read the original posting (though I see that it has since been removed) and my reply and subsequent contributions before getting your knickers in a twist. That way you might realize that, and I quote “perma-tanned” were not my words but those of the original contributor, a fact that I have already stated in my previous comments and which it… Read more »

Mark Francis
Reply to  Paula
27, May 2014 9:50 am

This supposed “original post” you refer to you say has been removed. Why do you think that might be? So it seems that OTW does not allow the opinions to be expressed of people who do not like the racial origins – or in your case quite literally the colour of their neighbours. Had you been quoting the term “perma-tanned” you should have used quotation marks. I… Read more »

Paula
Reply to  Mark Francis
27, May 2014 10:05 am

Mark, I give up, it is impossible to reach you. Please for the third time – don’t credit me with the words “Neighbours, perma-tanned, colour” please ask to read, and then digest the original post.

Mark Francis
Reply to  Mark Francis
27, May 2014 10:40 am

I have never come across the expression “perma-tanned” anywhere else except in your comment, which is why I have credited it to you.
Oh, yeah- you said you were not racist…

Actually I do not consider UKIP to be necessarily racist. Some are, some are just “fruitcakes”.
(not my word, so don’t credit me)

Charlie
26, May 2014 11:51 am

I can’t help likening the comments here to pigsty grunts and snorts on the ‘Animal Farm’ (novel by George Orwell).
You know, everyone here seems to be just that little bit more right than their fellow …

What fun!

:)

Man in Black
Reply to  Charlie
26, May 2014 12:26 pm

Great observation Charlie and one I concur with.

Robert Jones
26, May 2014 12:05 pm

I’ve been trawling the national press for some actual data for an hour or so – full of windy comment, but precious little hard information. I should have come to OTW in the first place! I don’t know exactly how the vote breaks down in the sense of representing people’s feelings, but I think a commentator above has missed the point when he says that the UKIP… Read more »

tryme
26, May 2014 12:16 pm

I hope NG doesn’t take this victory to denote he no longer needs to expel candidates who express nasty views. The thought of the direction things could go if he doesn’t feel there are minimum standards to be maintained, makes my blood run cold. Or if he does, but is displaced by someone who takes off the gloves …

tryme
Reply to  tryme
26, May 2014 12:20 pm

… NF ..

Billy Builder
26, May 2014 12:23 pm

If for the moment we park the debate as to whether or not UKIP’s desire to leave the EU and reverse immigration is racist or not, and instead consider the consequences of the UK leaving the EU: If the UK were to leave the EU, then whether that was a result of UKIP being elected or any other party’s decision to leave, there would certainly be a… Read more »

Robert Jones
Reply to  Billy Builder
26, May 2014 12:57 pm

These are the points the other parties should have made but didn’t – Clegg tried, through the debates with Nigel Farage, most of which were just agony to watch as one increasingly realized that NC has been reduced by something – being in coalition, possibly – to a desperate, almost pleading shadow of a man. Thoughts of sending a boy to do a man’s job occurred …… Read more »

Mark Francis
26, May 2014 12:23 pm

UKIPs anti-EU & immigration policies are those which people are most aware of (and considering the French just voted fascist you wonder why we even bothered liberating them in the first place)but they also stand for removing worker’s rights & cutting public services, climate change denial & bringing back 1956.
I voted Green because the Labour Party support sectarian education & the Greens don’t.

Robert Jones
Reply to  Mark Francis
26, May 2014 12:46 pm

Would you expand on the sectarian education point, because I haven’t understood it – probably through getting older and increasingly out of touch….

ragafeeling
26, May 2014 12:44 pm

One of the reasons why ‘we’ liberated the French was because at the time no one wanted a European Superstate run by Hitler.

Mick lyons
Reply to  ragafeeling
26, May 2014 12:58 pm

Who is the ‘we’ that liberated France you are referring to? America? Australia? Canada? USSR? Or is this just more myopia?

Cynic
Reply to  ragafeeling
26, May 2014 1:12 pm

The Americans took part because they did not want a European superstate run by Stalin.

watchdog
26, May 2014 1:06 pm

Do you think that with the IW UKIP vote on 41% and the Conservative vote on 26%, Andrew Turner will be uneasy about his prospects for 2015 ?

lardi
Reply to  watchdog
26, May 2014 1:36 pm

How stupid were the Conservatives to ignore and deride the often stated views of all the voters who have now given their support to UKIP. They now say “we must listen”, as if it was something they never ever considered before. They deserve all that they now have got, the ignorant, so called educated ones. We must now suffer UKIP who have no real policies, except get… Read more »

Paul Randle-Jolliffe
26, May 2014 2:21 pm

Isn’t time for a Re-set, we are actually not lawfully part of the EU because we were never asked, our constitution requires us to have been asked, the Re-set will ask you what you want before the next general election and the results will form part of the constitutional convention process which is above Parliament. http://www.thereset.org

watchdog
Reply to  Paul Randle-Jolliffe
26, May 2014 5:10 pm

To Paul R-J: I was under the impression that we didn’t have a formally written Constitution (though I agree that it would be desirable). What we have is an elected Parliament that is authorised to make treaties for us, and so far as I am aware, this is perfectly legal. The link which you give appears to be an invitation to register and join a pressure group.

Paul Randle-Jolliffe
Reply to  watchdog
26, May 2014 6:45 pm

We do have a formal constitution it’s just not all in ONE document, Parliament agreeing to a treaty is legal only on relations with other states not with things that change our constitution or interference with our liberties. Suggest you read the bill of rights as a starting place. No foreign rule 1st case was in the 600s with Alfred the Great. Next significant one was 1213… Read more »

Mark Francis
Reply to  Paul Randle-Jolliffe
27, May 2014 12:53 am

800s with Alfred the Great, although the Laws of Ine of Kent would date from around this period.

Mark Francis
Reply to  Mark Francis
27, May 2014 12:57 am

…unless you are thinking of Athelstan, which would be 900s

Paul Randle-Jolliffe
Reply to  Mark Francis
27, May 2014 3:33 am

Yes sorry miss type 800s was rushing out and did not check before I posted.

Paul Randle-Jolliffe
Reply to  watchdog
26, May 2014 6:48 pm

It’s not a pressure group, it’s an information enablement to solve the problems

Paul Randle-Jolliffe
Reply to  watchdog
26, May 2014 7:13 pm

Perhaps some one could tell me when Parliament was authorised to give away what’s mine or yours without us being asked and agreeing?

watchdog
Reply to  Paul Randle-Jolliffe
26, May 2014 8:12 pm

Unhappily, it happens all the time. The government recently gave away our Royal Mail for about half what it was worth, and the Isle of Wight Council gave away Ventnor’s Winter Gardens for a quid. Neither of them asked my opinion.

Stewart Blackmore
Reply to  Paul Randle-Jolliffe
26, May 2014 9:55 pm

Do you think you should be consulted directly every time Parliament has to vote, Paul?

Paul Randle-Jolliffe
Reply to  Stewart Blackmore
27, May 2014 12:03 am

Constitutionally there is a duty of parliament to consult localy on all things and some things require a poll.

The issue is the mechanism for that established in the 600s was removed in the 1970s.

It was part of the underhand European plan.

Billy Builder
26, May 2014 3:49 pm

As a country and as an island we can choose to be inward looking and isolated, or outward looking an inclusive. If we opt for the former then as I said before international industries and organisations will desert us. And yes, immigrants will depart. But where will that leave us. As an island we have lost and continue to loose industrial jobs to the mainland resulting in… Read more »

Colin
26, May 2014 3:58 pm

As I understand it, residents of other countries also wish to withdraw from the EU. If this were to happen, it wouldn’t matter where overseas investors build their car factories and no reason to move them from this country. What the UKIP vote (and similar votes in other counties) may acheive is to bring the EU to heel a bit. Or with a bit of luck, bring… Read more »

Billy Builder
Reply to  Colin
26, May 2014 4:15 pm

Colin, you forgot to say ‘and make sure everyone has their blinks fitted and read their copies of The Daily Mail’

Ed Mew
27, May 2014 1:16 am

Well done UKIP, and the FN in France! This is not about racism, more about what people really feel. Let’s hope this will be a lesson to the usual boring parties that talk drivel and feed us lies!

Robert Jones
Reply to  Ed Mew
27, May 2014 1:39 pm

Ed, the French National Front is a blatantly fascist, racist party, and that isn’t just rhetoric: go and look up Jean Marie Le Pen and his equally ghastly daughter.

I understand they have made overtures to Nigel Farage to join their European group, and he has rebuffed them.

Tanja Rebel
27, May 2014 8:00 am

The European project needs to be reformed – that is for certain. However, geographically, we cannot escape that we are all part of the same continent and pollution has no borders. To me, the most important aspect of the European Union is for the member states to get together in order create a clean, safe and sustainable environment for us all – socially, ecologically, ethically and aesthetically.… Read more »

David
Reply to  Tanja Rebel
27, May 2014 9:02 am

YES! Exactly! Eloquently put.

Cynic
27, May 2014 11:30 am

I see Blair is taking time off from filling his pockets to mouth off about UKIP. Is he trying to oust Milliband? Would you buy a used car from this man let alone another government?

Robert Jones
Reply to  Cynic
27, May 2014 1:41 pm

No, and no … even so, so far as I’ve studied his comments on UKIP – and he’s not a man on whose every word I hang devotedly – he’s about right.

Everyone has to be right sometimes.

Ian Young
Reply to  Robert Jones
27, May 2014 1:56 pm

That must have hurt Robert, I feel your pain.

Cynic
Reply to  Robert Jones
27, May 2014 2:06 pm

Blair “You look underneath that UKIP facade and you see something pretty nasty and unpleasant,” he told BBC Radio 4.”

Do you mean a reflection of the Blair Administration?

esmeweatherwax
27, May 2014 11:36 am

If it were a choice between Blair and Farage, I know where my vote would be – NOT Farage!

ragafeeling
Reply to  esmeweatherwax
27, May 2014 1:05 pm

Blair has a track record of dishonesty – he is untrusworthy Fargae on the other hands means everything he says. Blair has a massed a fortune of £70 million profiting from his time as PM. He lied about a war in the middle east which was really about oil rather than people and WMD and now has the cheek to say his a peace ambassador – he… Read more »

Cynic
27, May 2014 11:51 am

re Blair

Fool me once- silly you! Fool me twice -silly me!

Man in Black
28, May 2014 9:41 am

I have seen quite a few people talking on Twitter over the last few days about ‘racist Isle of Wight’.

I wonder what this UKIP result will do for our tourism industry?

Michael G
Reply to  Man in Black
28, May 2014 9:42 am

Put it back about 50 years I would imagine.

Mark Francis
Reply to  Michael G
28, May 2014 10:01 am

50 years ago there was probably a bigger tourist industry. The bloke, from an old Island family, who dug out our drive told me that he too was married to a woman of a different race & I asked him if they had suffered much racism. He said “Oh yars – oi generally ‘it’s ’em. Oi’s up before the beak only las’ week.” (I apologise for the… Read more »

daveryde64
31, May 2014 11:38 am

Perhaps everyone who voted UKIP who wasn’t actually born on the Isle of Wight should now be sent home. This would ease pressure on the Islands NHS and other public services,free up thousands of jobs, cut the welfare Bill, reduce unemployment and solve the affordable Homes crisis!

Cynic
Reply to  daveryde64
31, May 2014 11:53 am

Instead, why not just convert one of the disused holiday camps into a Konzentrationlager for the Overners while you are about it? It would earn state income for the Island and provide jobs for Caulkheads.

[Ok-I realise that Godwin’s Law has struck again! :-))]

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