Asphalt delivery lorry:

Eurovia ship in asphalt from mainland

Eurovia – parent company of the highways PFI contractor, Island Roads – have confirmed they are shipping asphalt to the Isle of Wight from the mainland.

David Binding, Commercial Director for Eurovia said, “To meet the initial surfacing commitments on the Island and the high performance requirements on the Highways PFI, Eurovia Roadstone will be importing materials from the mainland, whilst we pursue our permanent solution.”

Eurovia’s planning application for a proposed asphalt plant at Medina Wharf is still yet to be decided.

Delivery from Somerset?
Photos taken by an OnTheWight reader a couple of weeks ago reveal a delivery being shipped to the Island by Wainwright of Somerset.

We got in touch with Eurovia for confirmation that it was in fact asphalt being delivered by Wainwright, but they refused to confirm or deny, saying, “We have provided a statement updating residents that the asphalt will be sourced from the mainland, which is all the detail we will provide at this stage. The contractual agreements we have in place with our suppliers our confidential.”

As you can see from the photos, the subsequent sweep-up operation involved no less than nine Island Roads employees and two brooms.

Asphalt clearup:

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Michael G
29, April 2013 12:20 pm

Not very eco island!

Are there really not any firms on the island who can supply this asphalt?

James Luke
Reply to  Michael G
29, April 2013 12:29 pm

I’m sure there must be Michael …. but probably hard to find …. probably located in a quiet quarry away from residential areas so nobody notices it.

Tom Spragg
Reply to  James Luke
29, April 2013 12:49 pm

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Bystander
29, April 2013 12:29 pm

Such is the advantage of private deals good old commercial sensitivity comes into play.

To be fair 7 of the workers could be chiefs as they don’t have brooms, still we will never be likely to know for sure with it being commercially sensitive.

JamesP
29, April 2013 1:11 pm

“nine Island Roads employees and two brooms”

About the same ratio as when the Council did it, then.. :-)

RJC
Reply to  JamesP
30, April 2013 4:01 pm

What would you rather have 9 blokes turning up each morning at the gates to see if there was any chance of work that day but only 2 of them being employed for the day. Early days and lack of materials are bound to have a few blokes trying to look busy. At least they are earning a wage, might not be much of a wage, but… Read more »

happy daze
29, April 2013 1:15 pm

So who will be there from the IW Council to verify that the mainland ‘High Quality Asphalt’is provided with full Quality Assurance paperwork and is at the correct temperature? Are there any Highways Engineers left working for the IW Council to do the checking? As the Service Director says in the web-link below ‘It’s an exciting time!’ http://onthewight.com/2013/04/29/pfi-contractor-island-roads-start-first-surfacing-scheme-tonight/ I suppose the Conservative Council insisted this road was… Read more »

Simon Perry
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Reply to  happy daze
29, April 2013 1:28 pm

“I suppose the Conservative Council insisted this road was done before the election so they will be able to say it was undertaken whilst they were in power. Friday would be too late!”

Interesting point Mr Daze.

Tom Spragg
Reply to  happy daze
29, April 2013 1:32 pm

In any case, why Place Road, Cowes? Is that the worst road on the Island? Is that the top priority?

no waiting
Reply to  Tom Spragg
29, April 2013 2:43 pm

Top priority? District 1? Nah, the Cowes mafia decided it and the date is very noticable and it speaks volumes!

Tom Spragg
Reply to  no waiting
29, April 2013 3:06 pm

I’m surprised they’re not doing some back road in Wootton, say Ashlake Farm Lane, down to where Fast Eddie lives.

downwind resident
29, April 2013 1:27 pm

If this road re-surfacing is a success, as I am sure it should be, we will have proof that as we have been told by the Cabinet Member for Highways… ‘There is no connection between the Highways PFI contract and the planning application by Eurovia for an asphalt plant on the Medina.’…….. I do hope that once they are buoyed with their anticipated success of resurfacing Place… Read more »

Black Dog
Reply to  downwind resident
29, April 2013 6:29 pm

Or is it the passage in the Independents Framework for Change that says, if they have a majority after the 2nd May they will investigate the PFI contract and monitor the progress against a/the timeline and any failure to deliver will be considered a breach of contract with remedies being sort?

Rhos yr Alarch
29, April 2013 2:29 pm

Unfortunately the original line the the roads would be “rebuilt” suddenly changed to “resurfaced” – quite a different kettle of fish! But hold on before too much talk of “cart tracks”. The sections on the Newport to Ryde Road that are sinking (Kite Hill, Elenors Grove, North Fairlee Road, the Racecourse) are without exception the areas that were widened between the 60’s and the 80’s. The areas… Read more »

tryme
Reply to  Rhos yr Alarch
29, April 2013 3:06 pm

Perceptive of you to notice that change of vocab, Rhos! I hope that at least it was done in good faith, having realised how far the money would go; but fear they were looking to disarm us at the start with the more enticing ‘root and branch’ first impression, (until we learnt about the asphalt fiasco, of course).

downwind resident
29, April 2013 4:04 pm

Why has Tom Spragg been moderated Sally?

tryme
Reply to  Sally Perry
29, April 2013 5:12 pm

If it’s the comment I recall, it could simply be a matter of fact, not a question of judgement. We’ll see…!

greenfiremouse
29, April 2013 5:50 pm

During the first public meeting with Eurovia in East Cowes I remember that I asked the question whether the large size of the asphalt plant indicated that surplus asphalt could be shipped to the mainland. I received the reply that this was not possible because the asphalt would lose the correct temperature. Now, strangely enough, it seems possible the other way round. I conclude that if asphalt… Read more »

DarwinsDisciple
29, April 2013 5:59 pm

Is this the contingency plan, the company secret, in the event the asphalt plant didn’t materialise.

I hope they are not getting trade discount. I think they are over a barrel.

Are those margins beginning to erode yet?

Interestingly it looks as if this much travel asphalt comes from a plant sitting in the middle of a quarry. At least that bit seems sensible.

Bystander
29, April 2013 7:02 pm

Question: If it takes 9 men in day-glow suits all day to sweep a yard with 2 brooms how long will it take 2 men with 9 brooms?

Answer: Sorry, the contractual agreements we have in place with our men in day-glow suits and brooms are confidential

B-Lucas
Reply to  Bystander
29, April 2013 11:42 pm

I came back to the island tonight on the 8pm Wightlink ferry together with 8 large trucks of Eurovia hot asphalt. Lovely smell, but it took up half of the boat. Could be a problem at busy times.

tryme
Reply to  B-Lucas
29, April 2013 11:50 pm

I wonder what’s on the risk assessment for hot asphalt travelling on a public ferry?

ALLAN
30, April 2013 8:33 am

Wightlink must be hoping that the asphalt plant is not given the go ahead with 8 trucks a time per bit of road

I do not believe it
30, April 2013 8:34 am

“So sorry about the delay Mr Binding. Don’t you worry mate! Next Friday, after the election and we have duped the island electorate yet again, we’ll have your nice asphalt plant up and running and belching poison faster than you can say “Pugh and Giles”! “By the way – have you got any kids or grandchildren? We’ve got some lovely schools here on the island to, er,… Read more »

ALLAN
Reply to  I do not believe it
30, April 2013 8:37 am

there’s one worse than ours amazing

Luisa Hillard
30, April 2013 9:20 am

I distinctly remember at the Town Meeting in East Cowes that the representatives for Eurovia claimed that they COULD NOT ship asphalt to/from the mainland because it wouldn’t be hot enough by the time it arrived – this was their leading argument for having their own asphalt plant on the Island. It was also their way of silencing concerns that they might use the plant to supply… Read more »

downwind resident
Reply to  Luisa Hillard
30, April 2013 9:55 am

Luisa you are correct. Eurovia did make a statement that asphalt could not be brought across from the mainland.

This is not the only statement made by this company that has not stood the test of time.

I think Tom Spragg was making a point above about the Bardon Vectis planning application but ‘someone’ has complained about what he said and his comments are being moderated.

Tom Spragg
Reply to  downwind resident
30, April 2013 10:22 am

Indeed I was, Downwind. The funny thing is, I was only bringing together two pieces of information that can be found on the Council’s website: “Additional information to justify access arrangements” from the Bardon Vectis planning application TCP/31126 and Part 10 of Schedule 2 of the PFI contract. Any allegation of “questioning the professional judgement of the Development Control Officer” was purely in the mind of the… Read more »

tryme
Reply to  Tom Spragg
30, April 2013 10:50 am

Simon and Sally are also dealing with a removal of a comment on the Daft Old Duffer topic. I imagine it must be the sort of thing where they can’t provide us with updates till they come to the actual resolution, or we would have heard from them by now, as per their usual openess. If this one involves waiting for info back from the council…don’t hold… Read more »

hussar
30, April 2013 9:42 am

This whole PFI scheme is beginning to stink so much that the asphalt smell will soon be un-noticable, we were categorically promised that every road and pavement would be rebuilt, not simplty resurfaced-( presumably to the same standards used by the present IWC,which means they won’t last 3 years, nevermind 25) if thats the case who is getting the huge wads of our money? I guess the… Read more »

tryme
Reply to  hussar
30, April 2013 1:26 pm

Let’s hope the person selling them will shortly be DP! (Sorry, there might not be many more chances to make facetious comments about him….)

Highway to Hell
30, April 2013 9:57 am

Dear Island Residents, By now the fantastic PFI has started and we are all getting ready for a great deal of fun in the sun to be had by all. The question of shipping tarmac to and from the island seems to keep cropping up and we would like to assure you that it is indeed possible to ship tarmac TO the island as the journey is… Read more »

Lee
30, April 2013 10:07 am

These are the British Standard guidelines to temperatures for Hot Rolled Asphalt. The temperatures are related to the visco-elastic properties of the grade of bitumen used in the mixture. They ensure that the mixture is still sufficiently workable to be properly compacted. Considerations such as wind/rain etc should also be taken into account. Simplified guidance is: Bitumen grade, pen Minimum arrival Minimum rolling temperature,°C temperature,°C 40/60 130… Read more »

happy daze
Reply to  Lee
30, April 2013 10:32 am

As you say Lee it’s up to the ‘Client’ to verify compliance with the specification agreed within the Highways PFI contract. The client being the IWC acting on our (viz. the council taxpayers) behalf. You will note that I raised the subject earlier in this blog and questioned if there are any (qualified) engineers left in the IW Highways Department capable of undertaking this important task. If… Read more »

Tosh
30, April 2013 12:11 pm

I have just followed the link to Wainrights site and read through there information on tarmac.I then phoned the company to find out how long they could travel to a site before it reached a temperature that was to low for it to be laid directly from the vehicle.I Was told the maximum time would be between 4.5 to 5 hours.If you look on a map of… Read more »

ALLAN
30, April 2013 1:00 pm

so are our roads being bodged up again

Fred Karno
1, May 2013 1:24 pm

Someone told me a couple of days ago, that to tarmac an average road with the proper stuff and thickness takes about 27 to 28 lorry loads per mile of road. Sounds about right to me. Now whats the return ferry fare on Wightlink for one of these big multi wheel rigid tarmac trucks? – £400 to £500 quid return? Perhaps someone has got a more accurate… Read more »

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