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Fire Review plans: Council could be at risk of ‘corporate manslaughter’

Those following OnTheWight’s live reporting from County Hall will have seen that controversial changes to the Isle of Wight’s fire service were debated by Scrutiny councillors last night (Tuesday), with one councillor saying the plans put the council at risk of ‘corporate manslaughter’.

The scrutiny committee has recommended the Isle of Wight Council cabinet — which will be making the decision on Thursday — reject the proposals put forward.

Change to shift patterns
Following a review of the service, firefighter shift patterns could change to match resources with demand and increase coverage at peak times — with more firefighters on duty during the evenings and at weekends.

Cabinet member for public safety, Cllr Tig Outlaw, gave a presentation to the committee and said the changes would be a positive move for the service.

Firefighters: Changes ‘put lives at risk’
The plans would guarantee a minimum of 12 immediately available firefighters for 12 hours a day, every day.

However, firefighters have warned reducing the number of firefighters at night will put lives at risk and criticised plans to reduce crews from five to four.

Outlaw: “Not driven by money”
Cllr Outlaw said in some instances, four-person crews provided a ‘greater community response’.

He added:

“I can categorically say this is not driven by money. Yes, the Isle of Wight Council is trying to save money. But we are ensuring value for money.”

Wait for HMICFRS report
A report by Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire and Rescue Services (HMICFRS) is also due to be published in six weeks’ time.

Scrutiny chairman Cllr Andrew Garratt said he did not feel comfortable about making a decision until that report has been published:

“In May there was a desire to get this right, why not wait six more weeks?”

Responding, council leader, Cllr Dave Stewart, said the outcome of the report would be taken into account.

Outlaw: “No redundancies”
Newport councillor, Julie Jones-Evans, questioned the cabinet about the possibility of redundancies.

Cllr Outlaw said there would be no redundancies for existing firefighters but the number of whole-time posts may be reduced.

Andre: “Firefighters told contracts won’t be renewed”
However, ward councillor for Sandown, Debbie Andre, said:

“Retained firefighters have been told their contracts won’t be renewed.

“In the recent Sandown hotels fire, they wanted to put out eight of the ten appliances on the Island but they could only send seven due to crewing issues.”

Lilley: Puts us at “risk of corporate manslaughter”
Ryde councillor, Michael Lilley, who said the plans could increase the chances of a Grenfell-type disaster on the Isle of Wight, said:

“It puts us at risk of corporate manslaughter. I don’t want to take that risk.”

Not enough evidence to make a decision
The committee passed a recommendation saying there was not enough evidence to make a decision at this stage, and it should be deferred until the HMICFRS report was published.

The motion was passed by six votes, with three conservative councillors voting against.

Budget cuts
Since 2014, the fire service has seen its budget cut by almost 17 per cent, from £7.44 million to £6.2 million.

Although staff have been asked for their views, Isle of Wight residents will not have a chance to comment on the plans.

The report states:

“Public consultation is not required to implement the recommendations in this paper.”

The cabinet meeting, which starts at 5pm, will be held at Ventnor Winter Gardens on Thursday.


This article is from the BBC’s LDRS (Local Democracy Reporter Service) scheme, which OnTheWight is taking part in. Some additions by OnTheWight. Ed

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keithybaby
3, February 2011 3:24 pm

Is there not a cost to the council, or rather us, in laying people off? Or are Southern Vectis taking on the current TIC staff?

Eco-Warrior
3, February 2011 3:33 pm

‘We can find innovative solutions’ says George Brown. Sounds like SV found the solution to me? All those the council planned to sack, will still get the sack. I’ll wager no-one will be able to buy tickets for anything, including events as previously, except for bus tickets of course :) This new ‘service’ sounds about as useful as asking a passer-by for help. Well done George. Well… Read more »

Catfink
3, February 2011 3:55 pm

Hmmmn, call me cynical but did the council know about this before the ‘shock decision / no alternative’ to close the TIC’s….

Steve & Jane
Reply to  Catfink
3, February 2011 4:41 pm

We understand that the council gives some of our money to the bus company; anybody out there able to say how much? Or how much profit they take from here? If, as we suspect, the latter exceeds the former, perhaps we are due a refund… In the interests of Councillor Brown’s innovation & excitement, how about redeploying the soon to be dumped T.I. staff as conductor/guides on… Read more »

wightgeek
Reply to  Steve & Jane
3, February 2011 7:19 pm

Southern Vectis get around £8 million a year from the Council Tax payers. Here’s their payments for the first 6 months of this financial year: http://armchairauditor.onthewight.com/suppliers/go-south-coast-ltd Most of that is for concessionary fares for over 60’s, which don’t forget is calculated using their standard fare charges – which is probably one of the highest in the UK per mile. For example, a one stop ride up a… Read more »

hmmm
3, February 2011 4:18 pm

its fair enough. people have been saying move TICs into libraries or theatres. To be honest, this makes much more sense. The information will be available at the place you have to go to catch a bus to get there. It makes perfect sense. But of course people wont like it because they see southern vectis as increasing their monopoly.

Bus Driver
Reply to  hmmm
3, February 2011 4:31 pm

Nothing new here. SV had travel shops previously untill a decission was taken to close them with the exception of Newport. Obviously SV see this as an opportunity to promote it’s services to visitors at minimal cost.

hmmm
Reply to  Bus Driver
3, February 2011 4:37 pm

promoting SV services is fine, so long as they also promote the same venues and events that TIC offices do now. I also hope that southern vectis is able to employ the current TIC staff, who clearly know their jobs extremely well and would be an asset to the new system. Obviously the council should be tightly regulating this to ensure that SV sticks to their side… Read more »

LadyWight
Reply to  Bus Driver
4, February 2011 10:08 pm

i agree

Monty Karlo
3, February 2011 4:24 pm

How dare they! TIC staff have suggested numerous innovative ways of revamping the service over the years and nothing has been done. Now, behind our backs, a deal has been done and those of us not working today have heard the news via VB – well done once again IOW Council on your staff communication. Simplify the service by all means but for SV to say that… Read more »

no.5
Reply to  Monty Karlo
3, February 2011 4:54 pm

well said..I can’t beleive people are seeing this as compensation or a replacement for TIC’s. This is a commercial move by a company that sees a gap in the markey created by a tory council following tory ideology.

When this SV Information Offices close down it will be because of commercial non-viability as before and nobody will have a say

Dave Q
Reply to  Monty Karlo
4, February 2011 8:01 am

How do you expect an immigrant Welshman to know where the entry point to the Island is? He knows the way to his bank, and he can find his backside (but only because its attached)

Reg Gierson
3, February 2011 4:24 pm

To be overheard at a bus stop near you in the future:
“Well, madam, lots of places to visit on the island – how about taking the kids to XXX? Er, no, you’ll have to drive – there’s no bus there anymore, we’ve just withdrawn our service.”

D
3, February 2011 4:40 pm

Oh Great, a walking Tourist Information Centre.

Anonymous
3, February 2011 5:43 pm

Hopefully there will be more than one firm that takes advantage of the TIC closures, the Council should not be patted on the back for putting so much backing behind one monopolist.

no.5
Reply to  Anonymous
4, February 2011 12:24 am

I heard Chamber of Commerce might take some over

Martin William Wareham
3, February 2011 6:05 pm

Sounds like a second class Tourist service from a not to good bus company .I hope the visitor information assistants attendants around the Island is considerably better than operations director Mark Morgan Hughes was when he was a Island councillor.George Brown said at no cost to the Council George get real.

Simon J
3, February 2011 10:27 pm

I find it’s generally easier to provide information from in an office containing a computer, reference books, leaflets and posters than just standing around in the high street, but maybe that’s just me.

Bob Smith
Reply to  Simon J
3, February 2011 10:31 pm

Newport will be in the bus station enquiry office.
Ryde will be in the old information office.
Yarmouth will presumably be in the bus station hut.

All of which are offices which can contain a computer, reference books and leaflets.

That leaves just Cowes and Sandown.

Let’s face it though, it’s better than nothing.

Sailor Sam
Reply to  Bob Smith
4, February 2011 1:13 am

I wonder what the Ryde SV ‘information’ staff will advise when a tourist asks; ‘which is the best mode of transport to get to Shanklin?’ Who reckons the answer they give will be the train, because it’s cheaper and quicker then by bus?

Not necessary
Reply to  Sailor Sam
4, February 2011 10:00 pm

For a visitor, the best mode of transport would probably be by bus. A 7 day rover would enable them to travel the entire island in addition to using the Sandown Bay Tour and road train replacement service. Additionally the frequencies will be higher from April and would offer more flexible options for dropping the passenger off near their hotel or chosen accomodation, especially with heavy bags… Read more »

Sailor Sam
Reply to  Not necessary
5, February 2011 12:29 am

Yes but what if they DON’T want to buy a rover ticket? Will the information staff even tell the visitor about the train option and the fact that you can get return tickets? An SV comment if ever I saw one!

shirlee
3, February 2011 11:54 pm

Well here in West Wight we do NOT require a tourist info office from Southern Vectis because we are now left with a very limited bus schedule to travel anywhere on the island let alone return back. Maybe the next day return if we should want to enjoy a full day out with our visiting guests.They have reduced our bus service by so much we have trouble… Read more »

Dave Q
4, February 2011 7:56 am

Sounds to me like the Council have found a way to get rid of TICs, I wonder how they’ll compensate Southern Vectis- remember an ex County Councillor is SVs Operations Director??

Sailor Sam
Reply to  Dave Q
4, February 2011 8:26 am

Does anyone know how he became to be an ex-county councillor?

Debby Robinson
4, February 2011 8:39 am

And Ventnor is left out yet again. Mmmmmm….that humungous ‘vent’ on Ocean View Road is right by the bus stop. The plan must be to send someone along on a double decker with an enormous blunt screwdriver. All they’ll have to do is put the screwdriver in the hole, prize Ventnor off the bottom of the island and in a few days we’ll be France’s problem. The… Read more »

unionman
4, February 2011 7:54 pm

Island thinking is do not rely on SV

LadyWight
4, February 2011 10:04 pm

Cllr Browns comments ” it is an exciting and novel approach.”

If he had bothered to look at Tourism TIC history on the Island he would have remembered that years and years ago SV did run them before!!!!

So id say its an old idea not a exciting and novel approach!! More like tourism on the island going backwards not forward!!!

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