Isle of Wight Stronger In: Cabinet Minister Greg Hands MP to launch campaign

The campaign – which includes activists from the local Conservative, Labour, Liberal Democrat and Green parties – will be launched next Monday (30th May) with a speech in Newport by the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Greg Hands MP.

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David shares news of this upcoming event from the Strong In Europe campaign. Ed


Representatives of four major political parties on the Island, along with independent councillors, will next week join forces to launch the Isle of Wight campaign to keep the UK as a member of the European Union.

The campaign – which includes activists from the local Conservative, Labour, Liberal Democrat and Green parties – will be launched next Monday (30th May) with a speech in Newport by the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Greg Hands MP.

HM Treasury Cabinet Minister
Mr Hands – the MP for Chelsea and Fulham – is a Cabinet Minister in HM Treasury, which has this week released analysis showing that Britain would enter recession with 500,000 UK jobs lost if it left EU. He will be speaking at next Monday’s launch on the theme of “the case for Remain”.

With polling cards for the EU Referendum having arrived on doormats, it is now just four weeks until the UK goes to the polls on 23rd June.

Speaking ahead of the launch next Monday, Stewart Blackmore – Labour’s parliamentary candidate in the 2015 General Election – said:

“It is essential for the Isle of Wight’s economy that the UK remains a member of the EU.

“Whatever other disagreements I have with the Conservative Government, this particular issue is so important that I welcome this opportunity to hear directly from a Treasury Minister about the risks to our country if we came out of European Union.”

Importance for young people to register
Vix Lowthion, the Green Party’s candidate in the 2015 General Election, added:

“The UK’s membership of the European Union is essential for protecting workers’ rights and tackling climate change. It is particularly important that young people register to vote by 7th June to ensure they can have their say in the UK’s future in the EU.”

David Pugh, former Conservative Leader of the Isle of Wight Council said:

“With this obvious exception of UKIP, this campaign enjoys the support of activists from all parties which contested last year’s General Election on the Island.

“Whilst this referendum will be won on the basis of a national vote, it is important that we play our part in encouraging local voters of all persuasions to back Remain on 23rd June. I am delighted that Greg Hands has agreed to join us for the launch of our local campaign.”

Incomes on IW would be affected
Nick Belfitt, Vice-Chairman of the Isle of Wight Liberal Democrats added:

“A Leave vote would have a detrimental effect on household incomes on the Island, the prosperity of our local businesses and opportunities for young people.

“Whilst the Isle of Wight needs more financial resources, this will only happen if we have a strong stable economy – supported by the UK’s membership of the single market that brings the stability needed to generate funding for essential public services and provide a future for young Islanders.”

Where and when
The launch of the Isle of Wight Stronger In campaign will take place in the Anthony Minghella Theatre at Quay Arts (Sea Street, Newport) at 11:30am on Monday 30th May. Doors open at 11am, although the café downstairs will be open from 10am.

Although the launch event is taking place to kick-start the local campaign (and will be attended by Remain supporters), it is also open to any Island residents who may be undecided about how to vote in the referendum and wish to hear more about the Government’s position. There will be the opportunity to put questions to Greg Hands.

Anyone who wishes to attend should email iowstrongerin@gmail.com to register their interest. Due to limited capacity attendance may be restricted.

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profoundlife

Is Vix reciprocating and asking the Leave campaign to come along for a debate?

I’m not sure Greg Hands even really believes in staying in himself, so might be interesting to hear what he says.

Cicero

As Treasury Minister (and a faithful ideological Whip before that and a member of Stronger in) what would you expect him to say? :-))

I bet he won’t say “here is some more money for you IWC”!

Vix Lowthion
Reciprocating what?! ‘Leave’ didn’t ask me to come along for a debate. We asked them to come along to our debate back at the start of April. They did (GrassrootsOut) and it was a very worthwhile discussion. This is an open door launch of the Island StrongerIn campaign. You don’t need to sign up to our website or volunteer to hand out leaflets or announce your standpoint… Read more »
Cicero

So Pugh (cue Jaws theme), Vix, Stewart, Nick are willing to adhere to the central policies of their parties and sacrifice UK sovereignty to a foreign bureaucracy?

(Mmmm- Roll on the 2020 General Election, if the EU Commission will still allow us to have one by then.)!

profoundlife

Fair enough, Vix. I only meant that as you thought it should be a debate when IDS came over you might try to have that debate at the BSE event instead?

Vix Lowthion

If it was just me organising it, I would.

The focus of this particular event though is the launch of the island campaign, a Q&A, and access for islanders who want to find out more.

Cicero

BSE event? Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy event?

Bit strong that although some might froth at the mouth a bit and stagger around in a daze. :-))

Black Dog
So much weight given to the UK Treasury forecasts!! I recall their very poor performance when it came to Norther Rock. This was reported in the Telegraph “The Treasury was “ill-prepared” for the collapse of Northern Rock, failed to assess the scale of the bank’s bad debts even after bailing it out, made over-optimistic projections about a recovery, and gave too much authority to its advisers, Goldman… Read more »
billy builder
Black Dog, If there was only a single forecast from a single organisation preaching doom and gloom if we exit the EU I would have sympathy for your view. However it is not one forecast from one organisation, but many many forecasts and economic assessments from across the world from a host of organisations unrelated to the UK or its government. To my knowledge there is not… Read more »
Black Dog
BB. I understand your comments, the observations I make about the UK treasury (official government body responsible for our physical wellbeing) is that they are unreliable as are all the financial pundits on either side of the arguement. in my opinion, they are all connected in one way or another and irrespective of how we vote most of them will make vasts amounts of money. Often fulfilling… Read more »
Cicero
However, all those organisation use data files and macroeconomic models provided by the Treasury (with Osborne calling in the favours owed him by the financial world) and Greg Hands (Principal-Toastrack to old Etonian and Bullingdon Club members in Parliament, the City and other financial centres) For a view from outside the UK, look at Der Spiegel’s from description of the Bullingdon Club ” Rarely have so many… Read more »
billy builder
Black Dog, it is very easy to find fault with and disregard advice if that advice does not agree with the course you want to take. However unike other EU countries the UK has just gone back into recession and within the last 12 month the pound dropped from nearly 1.6 dollars to the pound to as low as 1.38 in March rising to 1.46 now. These… Read more »
Cicero
(BB) “it is very easy to find fault with and disregard advice if that advice does not agree with the course you want to take” ….. as you regularly demonstrate BB? BTW, when working we hedged the pound agains the dollar for at least a decade @ 1.50, so 1.46 is within the range. Compare and contrast: The “economic indicators” are provided by government departments like ONS… Read more »
Cicero

source bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Pages/inflationreport/2016/may.aspx

billy builder
Cicero, “Growth over the forecast horizon is expected to be slightly weaker than in the February projection. The May projection is conditioned on a path for Bank Rate implied by market rates and on continued UK membership of the European Union, including an assumption for the exchange rate consistent with that.” It would appear that these forecasts are based on the assumption that we stay in the… Read more »
Cicero
(BB) True- shows the value of fairly reliable data. However, the opinion leaks out (and is confirmed by Osborne’s return letter to Carney) that the weakness would be caused by “uncertainty” about the result of the Referendum. Once again, few can argue that the Referendum is *not* causing uncertainty in the markets. But no account is being taken on how long that uncertainty will last. “global growth… Read more »
Cicero

Carney Inflation Report May 2015

“*Uncertainty* over the result and effects of the UK general election may have delayed some spending — for example in the construction sector.”

billy builder
Cicero, uncertainty will always cause wobbles in the market, so yes over the election period last year you would expect some minor market weakness. The difference with this referendum process is that an out vote would be a game changer involving years of uncertainty and a high risk of loss of trading markets. This years GDP will already have been affected by the referendum, but provided we… Read more »
Cicero
(BB) “An out vote would lead to continued market weakness for years leading to the £4300 per capita loss forecast by Carney.” Erm no! The Tory hymn sheet the Spectator thinks it was Osborne nor Carney that made the “£4300 per capita GDP loss by 2030 statement” (Spectator 20/4/16) “The most striking thing about the Treasury’s forecast of the impact of Brexit is the relative modesty of… Read more »
Cicero

“able” should be “unable”

Black Dog

Thank you BB. You make my point with those stats. Shortly after the institutions came forward with their doom and gloom the markets reacted and millions were made by the city – fulfilling their own prophecies.

I truly do not know who to trust, I can only go on what is in front of me, history and a large amount of personal experience in International Business

Cicero

I suggest people read the Spectator’s “Brexit, George Osborne, and the art of post-factual politics
In their EU campaign, the Chancellor and Prime Minister have put dirty tricks back at the heart of government”

Google spectator.co.uk/2016/05/why-osbornes-dodgy-dossiers-are-even-worse-than-blairs/

Cicero
I suspect “Call Me Dave” and Gideon are biting their knuckles being compared to Blair just at the time the Chilton Report emerges blinking into the daylight at long last! Maybe it’s time for them to warp themselves in the national flag like their predecessors and bring out the old standby toy- the Gibraltar/El Peñon football- for a kick around. The Spanish government would welcome the diversion… Read more »
Cicero

“warp” should be “wrap”…. I don’t know though, may be it would be better? :-))

Rod Manley
The big lie technique is continually being spread such as “protecting” workers rights or the “working time directive”. Where have these things ever been invoked? Even now a strike of oil workers in France gives a lie to it. When was the working time directive used to guarantee for the Junior Doctors? Even when these points are explained they are ignored and repeated, so what is the… Read more »
Vix Lowthion

Chomsky is in. Unison General Secretary is In. Ken Loach is In. These people are key thinkers and campaigners. And with a strong social conscience.

Rod Manley

Chomsky? He’s American.I’m afraid many of the Union leaders are only in it for “Social Partnership” reasons and their hope has always been saving their own salaries instead of leading the workers.The ETUC sits with the “Round Table” of industrialists and do deals.

nbelfitt
To reply if I may to the Lib Dem comments. I think dismissing peoples real concerns of how individual house hold owners can be effected as “fear” is the wrong way to go about this. Trade, prices, cost of items comes from the ability to have access to the free market. If goods are easier to ship, easier to move costs tend to be lower. There for… Read more »
milly

We have already, officially, gone into another recession, and we are still in the EU.

billy builder

Milly, yes the UK has gone into recession as a direct result of the upcoming in/out referendum. The mere risk of the UK leaving the EU has put the country into recession. If that risk materialises then that recession will continue and get deeper over the exit period and beyond.

Cicero

…. and as usual using Remain/LibDem boilerplate arguments without challenging them , Nick? :-))

tiki

The IN campaign must be desperate if they are dragging Pugh out for a comment. Most people I know have already made up their minds. Sooner we leave the better.

beacher
Vix , I don’t think Chomsky is in….http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2012/12/03/five-minutes-with-noam-chomsky-europe/ I would agree with you about Chomsky bring a big thinker but will have to disagree about the other two (Ken loach and Unison general secretary) Or were you bring sarcastic about all three! EU madness. Hot off the press…..On-demand video streaming services face a call that at least 20% of the catalogues they offer to EU subscribers should… Read more »
DaveIOW
I wish we could just get on with it now! I’m sure that most people have already decided if and how they’ll vote. All that’s happening now is that whenever a politician on either side of the discussion says anything on the subject, they simply damage their own reputation. I’ll be voting to remain. Others will be voting to leave. I’ve reached a point where I’m bored… Read more »
beacher
Dave IOW I agree , From posts here it is obvious that there are people who have strong views about leaving or staying and no amount of spin from either side will change their minds…however I think that the two campaigns believe that there are a significant number of undecided voters and hence the daily barrage of fear and woe….I dont trust either side to give unbiased… Read more »
Vix Lowthion
Sovereignty is shared across the globe on all levels – local issues like waste collection as a local level; national issues such as taxation and education and foreign policy at a national level; global issues such as human rights and poverty and climate change at an international level. Issues regarding EU and sovereignty are at a regional level – trade, environment, safety, rights. We must continue to… Read more »
billy builder

Vix, even if we were to leave the EU we would still have to comply with the vast majority of these trade, environment, safety and right laws in order to access the single market from outside the EU. So in essence by leaving the EU we would gain very little but loose massively.

Cicero
(BB) “Even if we were to leave the EU we would still have to comply with the vast majority of these trade, environment, safety and right laws in order to access the single market from outside the EU.” Who decides, operates and manages those rules? Unelected EU bureaucrats! So, are you not implying that even outside the EU, the UK would still be surrendering its sovereignty to… Read more »
Vix Lowthion
No – it is not solely commissioners who make the rules, they are all debated and discussed and refined by the MEPs whom we elect. And they will continue, and we will continue to follow many of the regulations for products and goods because they are safer, they are regulated and they are universal. You’d rather have those imposed on us outside the EU with zero say,… Read more »
Cicero
(Vix) ” it is not solely commissioners who make the rules, they are all debated and discussed and refined by the MEPs whom we elect” Wishful thinking Vix. The MEPs are deluged with paperwork (how many thousand trunks have to accompany from Brussels to Strasbourg each time along with their 3000 staff?) We used this technique- along with agenda management- in the tactic “Bullmerde baffles brains” to… Read more »
milly

The EU of the monopolies are not interested in the environment, in fact they actively do the opposite. Bayer are buying Monsato the Genetically Modified Crops corporate, Siemens and Krupps are running the coal mining in Greece and have had massive pollution battles. The French nuclear industry have never been interested in the environment.

Rowan

Milly – Bayer and Monsanto and Siemens and Krupps are not the European Union! The French government are not the European Union!

Do you really want to give our government an excuse to get rid of all the laws that protect our environment that were initiated by European Union legilslation like the Habitats Directive?

Geoff Lumley
I have been entirely quiet about this so far, but this is a step too far. I am one Labour representative that will not share platforms with the Tories on this matter, though my views are to Leave the EU. Even our party Leader will not share platforms with Cameron. Its being too close to the Tories politically that got Labour into trouble in the first place.… Read more »
Caconym

How many “working class votes” do you imagine the Labour Party would lose if we left the EU and the predictions of recession, unemployment and increased “austerity” come to pass?

If we do leave the EU, and those predictions do come true (which I think is likely), then “working class voters” will be baying for the blood of those who got them into that particular mess.

Cicero
“How many “working class votes” do you imagine the Labour Party would lose if we left the EU and the predictions of recession, unemployment and increased “austerity” come to pass?” Probably about the same number as “bourgeois Tory votes” if we did *not* leave the EU, the “doom and gloom” predictions did *not* come to pass but “austerity still increased to meet Osborne’s hubristic targets. Still Osborne… Read more »
Vix Lowthion
As far as I read it, Corbyn is not appearing with Cameron because he believes it ‘would not work’- not because he is ideologically opposed to doing so. http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/jeremy-corbyn-says-he-won-t-share-platform-with-david-cameron-for-eu-campaign-1-4128551 “It would be good television but it’s not going to happen, okay?” Nicola Sturgeon said similar: “it’s because I think I’m better campaigning with the arguments I think are important. Let him do likewise and if that maximises… Read more »
Rowan

Why, Geoff?

I hate being in agreement with David Cameron and George Osborne, but then my reasons for being in favour of staying in the European Union are probably rather different from theirs.

Do you want to be close politically to Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, Neil Hamilton and Donald Trump?!

Cicero
…. or would you prefer to be close politically to 28 unelected EU Commissioners (many of the UK ones from the House of Lords- so doubly unelected) to decide the fate of the UK? Or maybe closer to the moguls of Wall St and US banks seeking to take-over the economies of the world? For me the net effect of the In/Out propaganda is to recognise that… Read more »
Geoff Lumley

And my reasons for voting leave are entirely different to the right-wing. Essentially I consider the EU entirely irreformable. An institution entirely committed to a neo-liberalist agenda. An institution that did great harm to the ordinary people of Greece. And an institution that working class people can only see further oppressing them in the future.

mat
Whether in the EU or in Britain, control over the human, material and natural resources lies not with the people but with the monopolies and the ruling elites whose mantra is to make these monopolies competitive in the global market. The EU does concern the working class and people. The European Union itself is part of the arrangements of those monopolies to compete in the global market… Read more »
Rod Manley
The EU — no friend of Trade Unions The ‘Remain’ campaign, including unfortunately most trade union and Labour Party leaders, says that workers’ rights would be more adversely affected by a vote to ‘Leave’ the European Union (EU). This is not true! Workers and trade unions are already under attack from the EU. Although ‘accepting’ the right to organise in trade unions of a workers’ choice (part… Read more »
Cicero

Good summary of ECJ decisions supporting big business.

Vote Leave

Pugh is probably about the only Tory on the Island who is voting Remain.If he thinks taking this line will secure him the parliamentary nomination when Turner goes I fear he is under a considerable misapprehension!

mat
Since its inception the EU has moved towards being a supranational or super-state, so that the Lisbon Treaty acts as the constitution of a Euro-federalist entity. This is unacceptable. Authority and sovereignty must lie with the European states, but is compromised through the EU, as well as the IMF and World Bank, not to mention NATO and other bodies. It misses the point to say that some… Read more »
Cicero
It is interesting that somebody apparently from the left wing is arriving at a conclusion similar to that recently espoused by the US right-wing Hudson Institute (if in the latter case, one ignores the ritual obeisances to fundamentalist Christianity and Israel in the latter). The Hudson report goes further in predicting an eventual clash for world governance between a secular supranational EU and a religious and notionally… Read more »
Denbo.

If 500.000 people come here to work from the EU!. how do 500.000 people loose their jobs if we stop them coming from the EU???

billy builder
To reasons firstly the 500000 EU workers would not necessarily be located in the same parts of the UK as those loosing their jobs and they are likely to have a totally different skill set. And secondly large multinational companies selling into the EU market will relocate sugnificant parts of their current UK based operation to the EU Leaving the EU is most certainly a loose loose… Read more »
Rowan

What about all the British citizens living and working in other European Union countries?
If we vote to leave then we are putting their livelihoods at risk too.

Rod Manley

Why should they be at risk? If the monopolies that employ them,and they want to retain labour they will keep them.

The risk to employment is only whether the capitalist wants to employ or not, in or out they will not want to fire or higher if they are either making redundancy or taking on for increased production.

Cicero
Take a look at migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/354 that puts numbers to the rhetoric. Note that ” In addition, any action to remove British citizens currently in EU member states would directly contravene Article 19 of the EU’s Charter of Fundamental Rights, under which collective expulsions are prohibited. The collective expulsion of foreigners is also forbidden under protocol four of the European Convention on Human Rights, Article four of which… Read more »
Island Monkey
I was listening to Radio 4 earlier. I heard Tony Benn going head-to-head with Roy Jenkins. David Dimbleby was the Chairman. It was a good measured debate, one on either side, Roy arguing for a better future in the EU, Tony saying we would lose our democracy for ever. This was 1975. Interestingly Dimbleby said between now and polling day, neither side would be measured and reasonable,… Read more »
Cicero

Remember that Heath lied about the transfer of sovereignty in 1975, admitting that he lied 15 years later.

(See the advice he got from the FCO ( 30/1048) the document kept secret from the British public under the 30 year rule and then declassified in 2012.)

One wonders if similar documents will eventually come to light on current FCO advice to Cameron and Osborne.

Vote Leave

It says above that Tory party activists are attending. I’d like someone to name them? As local Tories seem united on leaving, I think it’ll just be the one then.

tr
I am coming late to this debate, and have to say I’m amazed at the lack of insight of some of the respondents. 1. Pooled sovereignty is NO sovereignty. we do not have MEP’s who make laws, we have MEP’s who ratify directives thrust upon them by the non-elected, non-democratic commission. 2. a vote to remain is a vote to sacrifice our democracy, we will NEVER be… Read more »
ThomasC

Not so cowed as to want to stay with ‘our abuser’ but concerned that the Conservative abusers will be far worse than the EU.

Also, I dislike nationalism and the wars that tend to come with it.

Cicero

So change government in 2020?

billy builder

Hopefully we’ll get our chance sooner than that if or when the Tory party implodes following the Remain win on 23rd June. However I’m not sure who would win an election this year as both the Tories and Labour would e broken entities.

Cicero
Tories will be bribed to heal their wounds with threats of non-promotion or promises of Honours List places. Labour is still has weak leadership (Jeremy “Nice but not electable”). LibDems still licking their wounds from 2015. UKIP having had its fox shot and suffer an ‘Ides of March” moment,if the Remain camp wins on 23 June. Greens could get the protest vote but lack gravitas at the… Read more »
Black Dog

Well said TR. The history books tell of the last Prime Minister who came back from Europe with a piece of paper and false promises.

billy builder
Is the EU really any more undemocratic than the UK government in that the cabinet is appointed by the government from either their own MP’s or the Lords in a similar way to which member governments of the EU appoint members to the EU commission. At least the MEP’s are elected using a representative voting system, unlike our own Westminster MP’s. I’m sure that the people who… Read more »
Cicero
(BB) ” as the current biasing of the stronger richer states would be lost.” Take another look at “qualified majority rules” and the apportionment of MEP seats that favours smaller countries. Then look at the principles of “co-delegation” and “comitology” to see if you arrive at the same conclusion. Then have a play with the EU’s “Voting Calculator” that can be found by googling consilium.europa.eu/en/council-eu/voting-system/voting-calculator/ In a… Read more »
Cicero
Then look at EUR-Lex “The European Union (EU) is both a political project and a legal organisation. It takes action in many areas affecting the daily lives of European citizens. Its policies are implemented in accordance with the rules and procedures set out in a series of Treaties. Comprising 28 Member States which have, through these Treaties, ceded certain powers to the EU institutions, the EU thus… Read more »
billy builder

Cicero, and your point is ?

Cicero
BB If I have to explain it again, I suspect you would not appreciate the answer as it would be counter to the Remain myth that there is no transfer of sovereignty to the EU. Even though post-Lisbon the EU has a legal personality and Constitution, and thus can negotiate in its own right and not just the representative of 28 federal Member States, retains exclusive powers… Read more »
Steve Goodman

Being given a vote on things like fracking or TTIP might be a bit more useful; whatever the result of this referendum, the neoliberals running/ruining the world ‘win’.

At least with EU politicians we’re allowed PR rather than our own much more unrepresentive/undemocratic FPTP people.

Steve Goodman
The EU does also take notice of people other than the persistent big business lobbyists; here’s today’s easy opportunity to ask them not to cave in to Monsanto’s cancerous chemical salesmen: https://action.sumofus.org/a/stop-eu-glyphosate-15-years/?sub=homepage
Cicero
As I have argued previously, all PR systems are flawed democratically and voting should be made compulsory (with a “None of the Above” choice added) to get a true reflection of the wishes of the electorate.. But I also comment that it won’t happen because FPTP plus increasing voter apathy (i.e. low turnouts) plays directly into the hands of the major parties in the Westminster Bubble who… Read more »
tr

Even more concerning than TTIP is the plan for our military – not to be disclosed to us before our referendum – lest we scream in horror.

billy builder

Tr, the UK has an effective veto on tip as the UK government need to ratify the treaty.

What would be far more worrying however would be if the Tories were negotiating a UK specific version of TTIP, in that with the Tories drive for outsourcing or privatisation of public services Tory-TIP would open everything, barring nothing to the US

Cicero

Untrue BB as we have discussed before.

The HoC Library has implied (report 06688) that Parliament could ratify TTIP quietly ,without debate and probably by means of a Ministerial Order.

billy builder
Cicero, the government can choose how they ratify the agreement. They could either opt for a full debate and commons vote, or the could just sign it via minister order. The point is that the UK government has to ratify the agreement for it to become law. A Tory-TTIP agreement could almost certainly be agreed by cabinet ministers without discussion on parliament. An in/out vote has no… Read more »
Cicero

BB “The Foreign Secretary recently restated that an individual national veto was unrealistic and would not work; and this position was reinforced by the Prime Minister in his Chatham House speech”. (para 120)

source: EU Scrutiny Committee Report “UK Government’s renegotiation of EU membership: Parliamentary Sovereignty and Scrutiny”

billy builder

Cicero, so how is it that the French have clearly stated that they will not ratify TTIP unless it meets all of their concerns ?

tr
what you’ve really asked BB is who is in charge, who gets to decide….. you will remember JP Juncker’s response when David Cameron asked him to reduce the EU budget – just a shrug and a shake of the head, oh and an increased bill as our economy was doing better than the rest. we really do have to get rid of these parasites and take back… Read more »
ThomasC

Get rid of these parasites?

Yes – the Tory party need to be removed from government.

Given that the EU negotiates trade deals for 28 countries it’s a huge risk to the future of our children if we ‘get rid’ of our membership of the EU.

Cicero

BB Because the French has more political clout as a founder member of the original ECSC and thus a partner in the German/French political axis (small a).

It remains to be seen if they do actually veto TTIP.

Cicero

“François Hollande said on Tuesday he would reject the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership “at this stage” because France was opposed to unregulated free trade.”

Note the weasel words “at this stage” setting up an opportunity for US “negotiation” (aka bribery) of some kind.

tr

clearly the point Thomas C is that you can get rid of the Tories, we all have the choice every general election.

it is 40 years since we had a choice on Europe