Cllr David Pugh To Be Investigated For Six Conduct Breaches: Updated

Conduct at Valentine’s Ball put forward for investigation.

Isle of Wight Council Leader, David Pugh, has been referred for investigation in connection to incidents at and after the council Chairman’s Valentine’s Ball, where the widely-distributed video of Cllr Pugh shouting profanities at another guest was recorded.

Following the complaint made by Cllrs Jonathan Bacon, Geoff Lumley and Chris Welsford, six potential breaches of the Code of Conduct for Elected Members have been identified by the Assessment Sub-Committee of the Ethical Standards Committee.

“Seeking to bury the story”
The summary of the complaint compiled by the sub-committee has included the “involvement of the Council’s communications department in seeking to bury the story, compromising the impartiality of Council officers and failing to react and respond appropriately to this matter.”

There are three potential breaches relating to Cllr Pugh’s use of the Communications Department – misuse of his position as council leader to secure an advantage, improper use of the Communications Department for political purposes and compromising the impartiality of those working for the council.

The sub-committee felt it was reasonable that Cllr Pugh requested that “Carole Dennett and Jason Kay be asked not to publish details of the incident in the Yacht Haven Car Park.”

Those individuals being the partner of the Island MP and the Editor of the IW Gazette.

Alleged bullying and intimidation
The other three potential breaches for investigation relate to Cllr Pugh’s alleged actions towards his guest at the Ball, Rachael Bushby, at the table during the Ball – bullying, intimidation of witness and failing to treat with respect.

Complaints that were dismissed
The complaint against Cllr Pugh for his aggressive outburst in the car park following the Valentine’s Ball was dismissed as it was previously agreed by the sub-committee, in a previous complaint, that Cllr Pugh was not acting in his official capacity when the incident took place.

Of the complaints, “to prevent another person from gaining access to information to which that person is entitled by law” and “to conduct yourself in a manner which could reasonably be regarded as bringing your office into disrepute” the Assessment Sub-Committee decided to take no action.

Investigation staying on the Island
The Assessment Sub-Committee, who met last Friday, determined that the complaint should be dealt with at a local level – against the wishes to the complainants – and have passed it to the Monitoring Officer for investigation rather than refer it off the Island to the Standards Board.

Complainants’ response
Cllr Bacon said “We are pleased that these matters are to be investigated. These are serious allegations, particularly those concerning misuse of Council resources for personal reasons, and we feel that a full investigation is appropriate due to the serious impact on public confidence in the Council and Councillors that such behaviour has.

“We feel it is appropriate that the investigation should take place off the Island due to the seriousness of the allegations and the parties involved, in order to ensure that a proper independent consideration of the issues and evidence can take place.

“We are disappointed that it appears that the proposed investigation is to be conducted ‘in-house’ and will be asking whether this point should be reconsidered.”

Update 13.07pm:
According to a report on the IW County Press Website this afternoon, David Pugh is refusing to stand down, calling the complaint a political witch hunt.

Thursday, 18th March, 2010 11:55pm

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Mr T

Who is now responsible for judging these complaints?

A mason?

A member of the Conservative party?

Both?

I very much doubt Pugh will be brought up on anything, but I’ve a feeling we’re about to witness just how ‘impartial’ democracy is on our Island.

Miss Bells

I ain;t gettin on no plane “Mr T” Get some nuts innit!

John
What a cop out! To allow this to be investigated on the Island, by council staff, conservative councillors or his mates? We might just as well declare him not guilty now. The Chief Executive, Steve Beynon should send this to another council at least! Or is it his fault for allowing council rsources to be used to protect Pugh?? It will be a complete waste of time!!… Read more »
dredger

John your not suggesting the monitoring officer and members of the standards committee are in Mr Pughs pocket, that would be just awfull, however
I bet Ladbrookes would give no odds on him being found guilty

This must go to the mainland but it wont, what a load of sleezeballs at county hall officers and elected members

Miss Bells
Do the council not have better things to spend our hard earned money on? Like the million pot holes on our roads or the lack of housing and services for Island residents???? This is pathetic who doesn’t have the odd arguement with work collegues at a party? What happened to freedom of speech? The whole thing is just making the Isle of Wight Council look even more… Read more »
Michael G

Miss Bells, this is not about freedom of speech (if you think arguing with a colleague is about freedom of speech) it’s about him abusing his position, possibly bullying or intimidating someone and compromising the impartiality of his colleagues.

James P

“who doesn’t have the odd argument with work colleagues at a party?”

Me, but perhaps I don’t go to the right sort of parties.

Gertcha

God help us if people living on this Island believe that screaming “f***ing leave me alone” in an aggressive manner is what freedom of speech is about?

zoiner
Probably a lot less than the Party Political glossy put out under the auspices of the Council with the IWCP a few weeks ago. 40,000 copies at about a quid a pop say (anyone know the exact figure?) would have paid for several care workers for a year but, if we are to believe the alleged efficiency hype attached to the Council Tax demand, we can dispense… Read more »
fat boy fat

Well said MISS BELLS the voice of reason.Mr Pugh most be off work sick anyway because of all those knives in his back!!

hoist by his own petard

It’s all a storm in a beer glass, wine bottle, whatever, and could have been virtually consigned to history by now, if Mr P had admitted being a bit silly, and apologised the following day.

Never mind, I’ll soon be picking up a copy of the Gazette to read the latest in this gripping story.

N0.5

Here we go again……………………..(yawn)

Anon
Agreed, this is so boring now! I have two questions though… I always support VB and their coverage of Island news, but why has this “story” appeared for about the tenth time, but not one article about Cllr Whitaker being found guilty of spitting blood in a Policemans face? (unless I’ve missed it?) And if Councillors are so keen on conduct of their fellow members, have none… Read more »
Robbo

Of course its a campaign against Pugh. Unlike the other 39 councillors he is the Leader of the Isle of Wight Council, on whom rests (along with other Cabinet members) a higher expectation of consistently good conduct.

As for Adrian Whittaker he is pretty much an irrelevancy and will soon be replaced once he is (probably) booted out

Sally Perry

In reply to Anon’s question, why has the story arisen again, simply because there is new information relating to it. Pips.

Anon
That’s fine and fair enough, but why no article on Whittaker? I would have been interested to hear other VB comments on that, but maybe that’s because he’s my ward member. And to Robbo – at last someone admitting it’s a campaign against Pugh. In my opinion, we should expect a high level of conduct from all Councillors, and they should be answerable in proportion to the… Read more »
islebeseeingyou
Anon, Cllr Whittakers behaviour was investigated by the police. His offence took place in his own time and he did not use any council depts or employees etc with regard to the handling of the case. This is the difference. However, he has been found guilty therefore has a criminal record and under the code of conduct is unable to stand as a councillor. He is now… Read more »
dredger
Witch hunt against Pugh get a life he was the one that stabbed Sutton in the back carried out a witch hunt against other councillors and continues to spout on about how christian he is, he is now getting some of his own medicine As for whittaker while ther is a police investugation under way the standards board will not look at it Once his appeal is… Read more »
Anon

I try for the actions of two Isle of Wight Councillors to be put in perspective and equally debated, and get told to “get a life”! The additional focus on the leader should be aimed at his policies and decisions.

I wont bother having an opinion in future, so it seems fitting for me to say – “F##king leave me alone”!

zoiner
I think it’s the inept policies and decisions that help to fuel the witch hunt. When faced with a voting system that almost always ensures government by a minority for the benefit of a small section of society what else are we to do. We end up lurching from side to side trying to undo the excesses of the previous lot who have taken the opportunity to… Read more »
Mrs A

Just adds weight to this being a compaign/witch hunt against Pugh!

Anon,
I didn’t see you blogging when Pugh and co carried out a two and half year witch hunt against Andy Sutton,Ann Bishop,Patrick Joyce,Vanessa Churchman and the late Brian Mosdell.
Not to mention, bringing Lora Peasey-Wilcox back into the investigation again after she was found with no case to answer the first time.

Dennis Firth

You have definatly got it wrong about David Pugh and the names you have just mentioned. He just administered what was sneakily instigated by someone else. Denbo.

Anna

That’s not how the people named saw it Dennis. Indeed many of them are quite happy to talk about how David Pugh and Alan Wells prolonged the investigation by submitting additional “evidence” very late in the day, and so prolonged the investigation by many months.

Anon

True, I never blogged at all two years ago! I’ve only referred to two stories that have run relatively concurrent and questioned the balance of media coverage, public opinion and the response of fellow Councillors. All that has appeared to do is have me mistaken for a Pugh supporter and got me negative comments!

I give up!

islebeseeingyou

Don’t give up, we live in a democracy and all are entitled to our opinions. I would say that the postings on here about the Island Council and its representatives are personal opinions and not many are coming from out of the woodwork to back up other views. Perhaps by putting your view you are balancing things a little.

No.5

Don’t let it bother you ..I’m completely against this pointless witchhunt and feel it actually detracts from the people who instigated the action.

It is news and deserves reporting, but that is as far as it goes.

(in)firm but fair

Witch hunt? No. Just looking for a consistent approach.

Cllr Pugh demanded that other councillors stand down from council positions while they were being investigated – but then, when it’s him, he says he’d not going to.

It screams hypocrisy.

What’s almost worse is that my party, the Conservatives, is standing by and letting him do it.

Not the Conservative party I used to know.

No.5

Because Pugh is happy to instigate witchunts and totall wastes of time and money, does not justify others doing the same.

Is the game here to be the same as Pugh or better?

dredger

In other words If Pugh does it its democracy but if others do it it a waste of time and money Do we therefore have one set of moral standards for him and a differnt set for others if you believe this I give up

Mr Justice

I suspect Carol Dennett could speak out and kill Cllr Pughs leadership career or that it would take just one single Tory councillor to break ranks and call for him to step down to make it actually happen. Now which one of you has the b***s?

Robbo

Given that in the past (Nov 2007)he sacked Tory councillors from jobs/committees when they were subject to a Standards enquiry – Churchman, Bishop and the late Brian Mosdell – can we expect some consistency in his personal approach to his own enquiry ?

James P

“can we expect some consistency”

I believe the pigs are lining up for take-off now…

zoiner

Guess who’s the squadron leader :)

Gertcha

Totally amazed that there’s nothing on IW Radio about this yet? What are they waiting for, Pugh’s approval to run the piece?

Dennis Firth
Well, Well, Well! What do we have here then? From what is written above (Following the complaint made by Cllrs Jonathan Bacon, Geoff Lumley and Chris Welsford) I will assume that the singular word Complaint would suggest that the grievance was made collectively by the three above named Cllrs. This then unquestionably shows the collaborative attempted character assassination of David Pugh in the form of gang bullying.… Read more »
islebeseeingyou
At last someone is prepared to investigate this complaint. All councillors have to abide the code of conduct and when they sign up for the role of councillor they agree to this, whether they be a councillor at Chillerton or the Leader of the Island Council. David Pugh used the comms dept to try and defuse a case he said was “personal”. This is a clear breach… Read more »
Robbo

Nothing on CP website either. Apparently Editor was in with Beynon during the week.

Clarkee
Clarkee

He said: “The only way to clear up this matter is to have a proper investigation.”

That’s what we have been saying for ages. What a fool he is. Like he wanted a ‘proper investigation’

dredger
Dennis when Pugh made his foul mouthed outburst in February he was not concerned about parish or national elections, the councillors who reported him are not seeking nor could they get any advantage, any undermining of the conservative group is down to Pugh. Its interesting that no conservatives have any problems with having a leader who has lied,cheated,used foul mouth language, and broken the commandment thou shalt… Read more »
John

Quite right Dredger, the conservatives are showing themselves up in a really bad light. I cannot believe they are supporting Pugh – or has he just spoken to his very few mates – Brown, Hunter Henderson, Bingham, Abrahams, Giles. As I have said before, No integrity, no honour, they should be ashamed of themselves.

AlanB

Here you go again………..(yawn)
More like

Gertcha

I’ve just seen the update and can’t believe that Pugh is standing firm and won’t do the honourable thing and stand down during the investigation.

Shameful actions given the moral stance he has taken against other councillors.

Black Dog
DP if you have any guts you would stand aside until the investigation is concluded. Your presence at county hall will only fuel and perhaps compromise the situation and add to the allegation of a white-wash. You clearly lack the strengths required of a leader of the council. Take a leaf out of your own book – look at your past comments about some of colleagues who… Read more »
AlanB

If he wont stand down it goes to show what a self serving disgrace he is – and reinforces the reasons why we shouldn’t vote conservative

islebeseeingyou

He is obviously a man of no principles. He has also probably lost our MP his seat at the next election with his stance. WHY? Because I know that I and others like me will not vote conservative again whilst this man is leader of the Island Council. David you cannot have one rule for one and another for you. You are a disgrace.

Born yesterday

That’s right David , you stay put, just like you let the others when you were chasing them thru the standards board. Hypocrite.

Jon

I have to say its good that its being investigated, but maybe we should all wait for the results of the investigation before anyone jumps to conclusions.

As for Pugh taking gardening leave, if he worked for a private company he would probably be suspended until an investigation was completed.

Dennis Firth

It would seem that I am the only person in this debate that has given their full name?
Denbo.

Jon

why should anyone have to give their full name? Even with your full name I have no idea who you are, and thats how it should be. Anyone who wants to stay anonymous should be able to do so, and anyone that wants to publish their full name and adress should also be able to.

Dennis Firth

If thats how you feel ? then absolutly correct. Denbo.

Gordon Bennett

your not the Colin Firth from Harding Rd Oakfield
are you?
If so I cant believe you are a Pugh groopy

Gordon Bennett

Sorry men’t Dennis

Dennis Firth

Yes! That’s me from Oakfield. And no! I’m not necessarily a David Pugh fan just because I said “You have defiantly got it wrong about David Pugh and the names you have just mentioned. He just administered what was sneakily instigated by someone else.” In one of my posts. Denbo.

AlanB

Well Dennis a quick google search revealed both your address and phone number – a very good reason I would suggest for people not giving their full name, that is assuming it is your real name in the first place!

Dennis Firth

Hi there, the reason my name and phone number are on google is because I put them there for all to see. And yes it is! my real name, Denbo.

Gordon Bennett

dennis see question 3 up

Dennis Firth

Yes, I see it. Denbo

Jon
Just had a thought… Im not saying that he did, and im sure the investigation will clarify it, but IF he used the comms department to cover this up they clearly havnt done a great job of it. Maybe they should also be investigated as this isnt the first time theyve not managed to do what they were asked to do Im sure. Not saying that they… Read more »
Mr Justice
I feel DP’s actions on the night could have got him arrested but are essentially trivial. However his subsequent actions inside County Hall are far more serious. He stands accused of wilfully misusing various departments and people. If these officers are prepared to speak up, and of course, this did indeed all happen, then he must go. I believe he has in any event lost all credibility… Read more »
Jon
Carole Dennett will not make a statement, she would have done so already if she had any intention of doing so. I suspect her intention is to try to dissassociate herself from events in an attempt to appear to be taking the moral high ground. What her involvement actually was, I dont know or care since I wasnt there, but it seems obvious to me that after… Read more »
Don Smith

Very true – Silence is golden.

Black Dog

It may seem a daft question (not sure how local council’s operate) Does anyone know if DP can be deselected by his constituents?

If the Conservatives don’t have the B***s to get rid of DP then could the people who voted him in do us all a favour?

islebeseeingyou
Don’t think they can, it is now down to the young pretender to do the right thing. Of course if his fellow conservative members at County Hall had the b–ls they could persuade him to go. You have to remember that he is paid around £30K for this post, if he resigns as leader he would be back to around £7.5K. He is not really employable apart… Read more »
N0.5
Before we start gloating about DP next job,lets be aware that the Tories on the Island are goingtowin the election and the next local election..hopefully at a much reduced majority. Reality is that nobody will defeat the conservatives in the next 6 years..the current bunch of LibDems are un-electable and the Independents and Labour will never be strong enough. Pugh will brush this current dilemma under the… Read more »
N0.5

Unfortunately he is a very popular councillor..

AlanB

I don’t think it will damage Turners campaign any more than this silence does. At the moment it appears to me that she is keeping quiet solely because he is a tory and as usual they are all just sticking together regardless of what anyone thinks.
So be it, if Turner is willing to allow Pugh to drag him down as well that suits me fine.

islebeseeingyou

After 40 years voting tory Turner’s lost my vote because of Pugh and that of my partner, there’s two for a start.

Jon

Im just wondering, if there was a lack of any evidence, as pugh says in the county press, would an investigation have even started? Surely there must be something to support the allegations initially, otherwise anyone could make any allegation and it would have to be investigated. Surely there must be enough evidence to have made it worthwhile investigating?

Posted that in wrong place. sorry.

Mr Justice
DP is bluffing. They have already considered some pro forma evidence, that is how they decided to proceed to a proper investigation. His defence seems to be that Rachel did not complain about bullying or intimidation. Would someone working in a small department facing redundancies complain about the way their boss behaved? Remember last time we heard him on the radio he claimed she was his girlfriend.… Read more »
N0.5

its all a game…the investigation will be seen to do its job. DP may even get a minor reprimand…and then it is over

Don Smith

Note: Not one letter in the CP about Pugh last Friday replying to those who supported him the week before. Even a church man gave Hugh his support; perhaps! He uses this language to his congregation:-)

The CP is a Tory Rag and will stifle any adverse
news about Tories misbehaving.

Mr Justice

Mr Smith you are correct Sir. Someone I met today claimed he knew of several letters sent to the County Torygraph hostile to Pugh. Not one got printed. Maybe they were mis-spelt like the gazette article?

Jon
I do know when the county press receives a letter, they send out a card to confirm the identity of the sender. Not sure why, thats just the way they do it. It may be that any hostile letters were sent too late to be verified and published. Or, maybe none were sent. You say someone you met today claimed hostile letters were sent, hardly conclusive evidence… Read more »
Washer Woman
Jon – always love your comments on VB, you are an articulate intellingent contributor, but fascinated by your comment about the cards to correspondents to the County Press. I have written to them about 3 times in the last 2 years and they have always printed my letters but I have never had a card. I always write under my own name and give an accurate address,… Read more »
Jon

I wrote to them a while ago when there were some letters about bikes on the sea wall between shanklin and sandown. To be fair, thinking back it was an email rather than a postal letter, so perhaps thats why I received a card. Also, its possible regular letter writers are known to the editor and dont have to be varified.

N0.5

4 leters ( e.mails) in 6 months and always get a response card (e.mail).

Maybe they reserve it for contentious issues

Jon
Just vaugely reading the comments, and it does occur to me that lots of formerly vocal commenters are missing… unless of course theyre using different names now. But generally, the comments on this article seem fairly well thought out and intelligent which seems unusual for an article about David Pugh. Still, its quite a pleasant surprise to not see some of the comments that maybe give the… Read more »
AlanB

Perhaps you have become less confrontational jon?

Jon

I dont think i was ever confrontational on here. I simply stand up for myself.

Mr Justice

But he never takes much of a break, nor a holiday?

Jack The Hat
This is ridiculous. How can the council impartially investigate the head of the council? They can’t of course, and I suspect that’s the point. Really hope we see a lot of independent candidates standing at the next council elections, with the mandate being to rid us of our ‘treasure island’ tag. No more jobs/favours for fellow lodge members! I wonder just how many high profile council employees… Read more »
N0.5
This is just a figment of your imagination..90% of Island Freemasons are normal people on normal wages…There are more non masons on the council than masons. Shame about that because it clouds the rest of your post which wasto the point…we need more independents ( who could also be freemasons) I don’t mind people earning 70K a year ( or more) as long as they do the… Read more »
Jack The Hat
Well aware the majority of masons are normal people on normal wages… it actually stands to reason being as it’s essentially a social pyramid scheme. I know plenty on various rungs of the ladder, and I personally don’t think there’s any place for freemasonry in democracy being as they’ll always look after fellow members first. It’s been a huge black cloud over the IWCC for years. At… Read more »
Mr Justice

Councillor’s are required to declare their membership of all organisations, including the brotherhood. If you write and ask, the Chief Executive will tell you who among our rulers at County Hall are Masons. I’d be amazed if it were more than three.

Mr Justice

Remember the good old days when the police used to investigate themselves? How credible was that. Most of those doing the investigation are councillor’s and the usual do gooding suspects.

george jeffries

Not a photo of our beloved Leader in this months one Island magazine I wonder why. Perhaps it didn’t sit to well with the Not on our Island Anti-Social Behaviour advert.

Mr Justice

I don’t usually read this dreary wasteful magazine, but this time opened it hoping to see if our great leader was pictured.
How disappointing, I really think they could have pictured him above the ‘We’ve reduced anti-social behaviour on our island’ advert.
I assume the ‘reduction’ is because oiks like Pugh don’t get arrested these days?

I'm back jon
It stands to reason that a system where complains of a serious nature (bullying, miss appropriation of funds etc) end up being investigated internally is flawed by definition. Hence why the supposedly independence police complaints com was set up. This action of the fox investigating the chicken coup is ludicrous and thumbs its nose at “justice” There is no justice for anyone in political life it seems.… Read more »
Bum biscuit

Jon – some of us giving you a bad name eh? I’d say we would be pretty hard pushed to do so. I think you are doing really well all on your own and don’t need any help from the grown ups.

Jon
not at all. but there are some commentors who do give this site a bad name I feel. These are people who decide to make things personal when people disagree with them, people who decide to make comments which have no relevance to the article, and people who make up names to try and make a point. I would also include in that people who make derogatory… Read more »
WightLiving
”Is it any wonder that people in the council dont take VB seriously and call them communists when you read some of the comments that get made with no basis in fact and just to have a pop at the council and Pugh.” That’s not down to VB is it? that’s what happens on interactive websites. Please remember we are living in a free world and have… Read more »
Jon
I didnt say it was down to VB. But i do think its part of the reason they are referred to as commies in county hall. And as I said, the majority of people on here do post serious comments about the issues. There is a small minority that dont however. They are of course free to do so, but maybe they should think about it before… Read more »
Shobba

You have to speculate to accumulate.

pubewonder

The Leader of the Council David Pugh has told Isle of Wight Radio he believes his position is ‘unaffected’, despite being referred for an investigation.

looks like pube knows more than we do

billy some mates

When did you hear that on IW Radio?

I heard nothing on there all day on Friday about it AND it wasn’t on the 8am news today.

How can they excuse not reporting this story fully?

No.5

It was on the IOW Radio News all day on Saturday

billy some mates
How many people listen to IW Radio on Saturday vs week days? Bet it’s a tiny fraction. Them not covering it on a week day is questionable., isn’t it? VB covered it on Thursday night (very late), so that gives IW Radio the whole day to research and report it. Begs the question – why didn’t they? If they had time to get the audio of the… Read more »
pubewonder
Noraa

Sorry, slightly off subject, but is there any truth to the rumours of the Council getting the Hospice to dis-associcate themselves from the Isle of Wight Gazette fundraising. So far no news on IW Radio or IWCP, but thats no surprise!!

Jon

I wouldnt have thought the council could do that. As far as I know, the hospice isnt council run and the council has no interest in it, although I may be wrong.
Having said that, personally I dont think it would be a bad idea for the hospice to certainly look at disassociating themselves from the gazette given the apparent record of the editor.

Noraa

I heard bloke in charge of Hospice is ex-councillor and mates with Pugh. Also the history of the editor shouldn’t have anything to do with raising money for the hospice.

Jon
The history shouldnt have anything to do with raising money, I agree. But the reputation of the editor may well bring disrepute on the hospice. As for the boss being ex council and mates with pugh, thats no reason to disassociate, and if it happens for that reason then it should be added to the investigation list. But I suspect Pugh may have said quietly ‘is this… Read more »
WightLiving

it would be a very sad day to see the hospice turn down money. If it is the case they clearly don’t need mine either.

Jon

It would be a sad day, but they may take the decision that bad publicity is worse. Although, having said that, I havnt seen any bad publicity about the hospice regarding the gazette. Perhaps its just a rumor. The Island Rumormill does seem to grind most things through it sooner or later.

Noraa
The story broke, during Fridays phone in on Vectis Radio, Ian Mac was talking to Editor of the IW Gazette. Near then end, the editor received an email from Hospice, stating that they no long want the gazette raising money for them (can’t remember exact words). Ian Mac was in contact with Hospice this lunch time (off air) and the hospice confirmed that it was true and… Read more »
Jon
then perhaps its more down to what the editor said on vectis radio than anything else. Unless the email gets published I doubt we will know either way, but it seems coincidental that the email comes at the end of a phone in, although i would hope the decision has been discussed rather than one person making it. I expect all will be told in this weeks… Read more »
Shobba

Yeah, the hospice can really afford to turn money away. Especially after the recent building extension fiasco.

Take up thy bed and walk
If it turns out that the editor of the gazette is removed after the “Pugh” mess I will never give any money to the hospice/ those charities again. Many of my friends and colleagues have sadly said the same. If the editor is unsuitable for the task or ineffective at raising funds then remove him. He must have had a contract/agreement before he got the position and… Read more »
Shobba

It just beggars belief that the hospice would turn money away. This looks really bad. If it is true, I’ll never walk the wight again. Why should I? They don’t need my blisters. I will tear up my numbers and those of my children.

Noraa
I’m a bit confused about your reply. So to hopefully clear it up. The Gazette and its editor raised money for the Hospice. The top bloke at Hospice (Graham Elderfield, I think), emailed Gazette saying that they no long want them to raise money for them. This happens at the same time as Gazette is running stories on Pugh and Council. So far only Vectis Radio are… Read more »
WightLiving
wouldn’t surprise me. Just read an article on iw radio and it looks like boy wonder has made that drunk bird comment… Rachael Bushby said. “David is not a bully. He has always been very respectful to me. He would not bully anyone but some people are trying to portray him as a sleaze bag,” He would not bully anyone????, well that was proven with the video… Read more »
Jon
I very much doubt hes made her comment. If it came out that he had there would be hell to pay. He may have helped set up the interview, maybe even asked her if she wanted to comment, but thats a long way from forcing her to do so. I dont think the video proves bullying. Its 30 seconds thats out of context. Maybe he was bullying… Read more »
WightLiving

We all know Carole Dennett will not make a statement as it would damage Andrew turner.

Fancy that…. Conservative going against each other. Just like the Block voting they will always group together no matter what.

And then we wonder why BNP are gaining seats!

Jon
well thats up to Carole Dennett then. If she chooses not to make a statement to aid Turner thats her choice and something we will have to live with. If Pughs behaviour means Turner doesnt get re-elected then thats something he will have to live with. Incidentally, I think if Carole Dennett did make a statement it would probably strengthen Turner, not weaken him. By attempting to… Read more »
No.5

BNP aren’t gaining seats..exact opposite. 12 Bye election so far this year, BNP vote dropped in all 12.

Just proves there aren’t as many idiots out there as they thought

AlanB

Hmmm a sleaze bag, good description.
She has been got at by the bully, she probably cant remember anything in any case as she was legless.

WightLiving
‘VOTE RIGGING’ ROW ROCKS YOUNG TORIES : – Daily Mirror, 11/9/03, p.20 The Tory party’s youth wing is in crisis after allegations of vote rigging led to chaos at its conference. Eight candidates for top posts resigned as outraged rivals called each other “cheating b*stards” on stage. A BBC documentary crew was asked to leave the floor in a bid to stop news of Sunday’s row getting… Read more »
Jon
I do wonder about that. Ive read the article in the mirror or the mail, i think it was published in both, and did wonder if Walker can prove he is a cheating bastard then why hasnt he proven it? and why didnt the papers publish that proof? It did strike me more as a case of sore loosers rather than any proven case of vote rigging.… Read more »
No.5

There is quite a bit availble online about Pughs days at Tory Youth…none of it is complementary

The man has no qualities required to run a council

WightLiving

It was the following comment that confirmed the story in my eyes:

”A BBC documentary crew was asked to leave the floor in a bid to stop news of Sunday’s row getting out…”

I see a pattern, Censoring is Great isn’t it Mr Pugh!

Custard cream
Even if that Busby bird squawks away that David is a lovely lad and she can’t wait for their next date to be filmed and placed on YouTube it doesn’t detract from the fact that if he claims he was “off duty” that night, then he has misused public funds by apparently using the council’s legal department. Plus the weeks bed rest she’s supposed to have had… Read more »
Jon
maybe, just maybe, ‘that Busby bird squawing away’ beleives that she has not been bullied. And maybe she would prefer not to be referred to as a bird. The quote you mention seems to clearly be her opinion. She doesnt know if hes bullied anyone but shes saying he has not bullied her and she doesnt think he would bully anyone. Perhaps some respect for her and… Read more »
Packet Custard Creams

Pugh, Busby and the gazette bloke are adults and judging by the whole mess of the situation deserve all they get. No one is innocent in this sordid and distasteful mess so I guess you will have to excuse my attitude Jon. I treat them all with the contempt they rightly deserve. Don’t try the “respect” card; you belittle the word associating it with Pugh-gate.

Jon
well done. yes they are all adults. not one of them is a ‘bird’ Just because Pugh doesnt treat people with respect doesnt mean anyone else should sink to his level. As for exusing you, no. Sorry. Just as respect has to be earned, so does contempt, and I really dont beleive Rachael has done anything to deserve contempt. Pugh, yes. The Gazette, certainly. But this is… Read more »
Mmm bourbon
She took the dress, the hotel room, far too much alcohol, the gazette chaps knee, the CP publicity and the screaming fit ( which we can now all see on YouTube) I don’t think she is as bad as Pugh, but she deserve what comes her way after the nights sordid events. If you are pleased with her actions and statement, that’s up to you Jon. I’m… Read more »
concerned
She told IW Radio: “I wish if they had obtained evidence from these individuals that before we went on this expensive, lengthy process they might have come to me and asked if I felt that in any way I had been bullied or harassed or supported these allegations which, as I said, I don’t. Is this really her speaking who you trying to kid Pugh who up… Read more »
Shobba
What happened on the night is not really of any interest any longer. Pugh accepts it all happened and that he let himself down. What is up for investigation is what came next. The who what where and when that occurred in County Hall on the Monday after. Communications and legal offices. That is where he seems to have made his real mistakes, trying to clean the… Read more »
wighty

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Jo-knee

just found this on the video and it sum it up the feeling of many

I am fed up reading about all of this.
David Pugh done wrong, everyone knows he did and yet he is still the leader of the Isle of Wight Council. What an embarrasment for the Island.

dDavid ihave done nothing wrong
To think that it appears now pressure is being brought to bear upon the News of The W….ight Gazette and it’s proprietor/s over all this smacks of an even BIGGER story than just a wimp mouthing off because his chances of blowing through have been blown away? I heard just now on Vectis Radio, that one of the charities the Guzlerettes’ money goes to has decided it… Read more »
WightOne
I thought the analogy of being a pawn, on IW radio web site, was quite apt. If one lines up in front of a knight (a character not known for straight moves) that is not interested in the well-being of the two more respected senior pieces on the table, then one risks being attacked by the opposing knights. If a rook (no c) comes down the line,… Read more »
I Love My Cat

Rachael had the right idea in the first place – keep your mouth firmly shut after putting your foot in it on the night in question.

How strange that she has ‘changed her mind’ and decided to speak out to defend her ‘knight’.

Well paid jobs are hard to come by these days though, so you can’t really blame her.

Suzy

There is the little matter of the truth of course.
She certainly sounds extremely distressed in the video yet now we are to believe everything was hunky dory and we have been just over reacting!
I’m amazed they have the bare faced cheek to consider us so naive. Insulting our intelligence, again.

No.5

The insult to our intelligence comes from the gossip mongers and tittle tattle on here.

Gruntled of Bembridge
The fragrant Rachel (who was seen with her beau, our beloved leader in the con club, so it’s still on then) rants on (and I quote)”I have not made these complaints. No-one has even asked me. “I was shocked when I saw my name in there. I have not even met the people that have made these allegations. “They have just used my name. I think they… Read more »
islebeseeingyou
Oh dear Gruntled. It seems the whole of County Hall is revolting! It would appear the fragrant Rachael is being worked by her master David. We all know she cannot give out press reports without the agreement of her line manager and then it would have gone through communications. More public money needing to be spent by the actions of the leader in his so called private… Read more »
icarus
Are to really to believe that the hospice wont accept money from the gazette because the editor wont tow the councils line? If so questions have to be asked of the suitability of those overseeing the hospices affairs. Hardly any wonder the island is considered an inbred joke, with incestuous goings on like this. Either the hospice needs money or it doesn’t, and if this is the… Read more »
Mo

As an employee someone would need to have authorised her interview with the radio. Are employees not allowed free speech? I thought she was David Pugh’s girlfriend or have I missed something?

Barney McGrew
To all you bloggers: I and my colleagues, Cuthbert, Dibble and Grub wish to disassociate ourselves from the outrageous behaviour of our former colleagues Pugh and his partner Pugh. We are appalled at the disrepute this has brought on our honour and character as faithfull and loyal firefighters. We are disgusted that no action has been taken over this very serious breach of discipline and shall be… Read more »
Shobba

I’m sure this does raise issues with fire service good order and discipline Barney. Pass on my sympathies to the men, especially Cuthbert Dibble and Grubb?

You will perhaps have heard the good news from the Lodge today on local radio. A nice generous donation to a worthy cause. Proof if proof were needed that you’re all safe in our hands. The bretheren know best.

Pedant
It was interesting to see the toadying letter from Roger Mazillius in this week’s IW Gazette. Is Cllr Mazillius so dizzy from his political party ‘flipping’ that he can’t see the irony in his letter? Perhaps he is party to information unavailable to Geoff Lumley et al? He is happy to declare David Pugh innocent of all charges, thereby ‘upholding the basic tenet of British law that… Read more »
hungry ears, hungry eyes
Mazilius’ letter is full of stuff which is really neither here nor there. There is only one issue – did Pugh use Council resources to try to cover up what happened that evening or didn’t he? Because, if he did, then he has used public money for personal purposes (given that it has already been decided that he wasn’t on Council business). What other people have done… Read more »
No.5

Can’t stand Maximus Mazilius.

The use of Public resources is the ONLY issue for which Pugh should, if found to be guilty, stand down for.

But expect more support from the ‘Big Guns’ ( until they can find another willing victim – then Pugh will be found another job elsewhere)

islebeseeingyou
I picked up my copy of the Gazette this morning and found dear old Rog’s letter quite ludicrous. Firstly let’s look at Adrian Whittaker, he was found guilty, he has said he is not going to appeal so why was he even in the council chamber? Where was the monitoring officer, the very person that should be advising him that because of his record he could no… Read more »
Victor Meldrew

Happy Easter all you bloggers.

Regarding the use of council resources. A well respected member remarked in an open forum on the Tuesday following the “incident” with the leader and the fragrant first lady, that Jay, he of Gazette fame, was in the Reichstag being “sat upon” by the gorillas. If this is correct then the Gazette have sat on a scoop!

mazillius

Just for the record, the so called letter in the Gazette this week was a plagiarised private email to a person who emailed I.W.Conservative Councillors criticising us for supporting Cllr. Pugh. In fact the email to us was published as a letter from a Mr. John Kobe of N

mazillius
As I was saying…. to a Mr. John Kobe of Newport on the 26th.March. I do not know who decided to pretend my email was a letter but I have asked the Gazette for an explanation and to confirm that having voluntarily published my email in full, the paper accepts the accuracy of my comments. Curious though wouldn’t you say? In the meantime I understand a former… Read more »
Victor Meldrew

I think VB can get along nicely without the services of said criminal and serial expectorator.

I suspect that the knowledge bank of this offender would leave a lot to be desired. Hm! “thinks” – That’s probably applicable to most of the living dead that inhabit the red brick nursing home on the High Street.

Mr Justice
How do we know that ”Mazillius” is in fact the well known and loved councillor Roger Mazillius? And did you notice? The only people I know entitled to use their surname only are Royalty or Lords. Has he kept his enoblement quiet, or is he expecting a title in Gordon Brown’s resignation honours list having all this time actually been a Labour councillor? I think we should… Read more »
N0.5

I think its him…

and I am Mr. No.5 :-)

Don Smith

Watched a local football match the other day, the foul language that was used made Mr Pugh look a saint.

Pedant

And your point is?

Victor Meldrew

Then you really ought to learn to curb your language Don or you might be shown the red card.

Don Smith

I’ve had many ‘Red Card’ at my GPs surgery.
You are not sent off – It means it is a five minute appointment and a four hour wait:-)

hungry ears, hungry eyes
a) Yes I’m sure there was lots of bad language at the football match; b) I doubt that it made Pugh look like a saint although I don’t doubt it was somewhat riper than his outburst; c) If the footballers demand a standard of behaviour from others that they aren’t personally prepared to adhere to then that makes them hypocrites, too; d) And I bet they don’t… Read more »
mazillius
Well we will have to wait for the Standard’s Committee decision won’t we? I have to say how appalling your rush to judgement is on the “resources” issue. You fire off your own personal criticisms as if you are judge and jury and actually have all the evidence to hand. As you are thankfully neither judge nor jury and evidence-less, you will just have to wait. In… Read more »
Victor Meldrew
Ah, Maximus, I never realised how naive one had to be to be a member of the ruling group at the red brick retirement home. If you think that the local standards board will judge against the boy then that is naivitie. You also patronise people which is a great mistake. A guy called Caesar tried that one and look what happened to him.We have eyes and… Read more »
Shobba
Now we have his attention maybe Cllr Mazilius will explain the difference between this ”witch-hunt” and the suspension during investigation of all the Tories previously in the same situation that Mr Pugh insisted was right? David Pugh seems to be the wrong man in the wrong job. Two failed degrees and a job behind the counter in a paper shop wont equip you to run a local… Read more »
N0.5

Did Shobba just admit that some posters on here are no better than David Pugh and this council?

maximus mazillius
Ah Victor, you grumpy old man. Surely a person of your wisdom and experience would know that the Standards Committee has a MASSIVE majority of opposition and non I.W.Council members. So your comment to the effect that the Committee would never reach a “guilty” decision is not only stupid but a slur on those opposition and independent members of the Standards Committee. Your riposte that I “should… Read more »
Don Smith

Pay cut overdue for all the ‘Top Cats’ in the Ivory Tower. We must economize, so let’s start at the top, not the bottom for a change.

Gruntled of Bembridge

The boy David has never played for Southampton! There’s no way they would have him at St. Mary’s it is, after all, a family based club.

Mr Justice
But you’re not waiting Mazillius. You too have rushed to a conclusion. That is to declare DP’s ”innocence.” Do you not see that or remember how he behaved towards his Tory colleagues who found themselves in a similar position? A plague on all your houses. The electorate will not be impressed next time you submit yourselves to public opinion at the ballot box. Meanwhile none of you… Read more »
islebeseeingyou

Maybe that’s because they are spending too much time with the fair maidens on the third floor!

Pistol Pete

Of course David Pugh will be found innocent.

The whole investigation is a joke and an insult to anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together.

http://allwight.wordpress.com/2010/04/01/word-‘independent’-no-longer-independent-enough”-says-oxford-english-dictionary/

Victor Meldrew
Worst case is he wil probably have to undergo “training” like the others. The problem is, why haven’t these people been properly trained in the first place! You make somebody responsible for a whopping chunk of taxpayers loot, give them the false impression that somehow, by magic, they are now experts and then use them as cannon fodder when it all goes wrong! “Oh dear, Laura’s bu**ered… Read more »
Shobba

And now the election is underway what little respect any of us has for any politician is about to diminish still further. I’m not sure I will be able to bring myself to vote. What exactly is the point?

islebeseeingyou

Because women fought to get the vote for you.

Black Dog

Councillor Mazillius and other councillors should know better than to make public statements of any kind when there is an investigation going on.

The Ethical Standards Committee forwarded several matters for investigation and the local investigator should be allowed the time and a clear path to do his/her job.

So Councillor Mazillius please do us all a favour and stop trying to influence the decision process

Shobba

If they knew what we would end up with I doubt they would have bothered.

N0.5

Its people like you not voting that caused the problems…low turn outs allow poor candidates to get elected